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Minnesota Vikings Team Thread (2 Viewers)

Thor Nystrom gave the draft a D. So there's that.
D seems harsh since they only had 4 picks. I love drafting guard but they should have taken the deal Houston took behind us (picking up two 3rds to slide to 34). I like picking up Howell as a young guy with his own upside to go with experience. The Georgia DT is interesting. Started just 10 games in four years, with just 4 sacks, but an athletic freak? I’m intrigued.

Did we get any Ivan Pace theft types as UFA?
 
Such a Vikings draft. A good first round pick and bets on guys with "upside" that will all be out of the league within four years.
Aren't most 5th and 6th rounders out of the league within 4 years?
Yes but my point is that the Vikings seem to more often draft developmental guys that neither develop nor contribute at all. So you end up where they are now - a very shallow roster.
 
Thor Nystrom gave the draft a D. So there's that.
D seems harsh since they only had 4 picks. I love drafting guard but they should have taken the deal Houston took behind us (picking up two 3rds to slide to 34). I like picking up Howell as a young guy with his own upside to go with experience. The Georgia DT is interesting. Started just 10 games in four years, with just 4 sacks, but an athletic freak? I’m intrigued.

Did we get any Ivan Pace theft types as UFA?

With the benefit of hindsight who would you want the Vikings to pick at 34 and I think pick 86?

Then the 3rd next season.

Looking at it there were some other guards, Savaiinaea who Miami took at 37. Ersery who the Texans did take at 48. Then Ratledge who the Lions took at 57.

There had already been many linemen selected by the time the Vikings picked. To me it seems that Jackson was the last of a top tier of guards and that the 3 above have more flaws, may take longer to develop.
 
Thor Nystrom gave the draft a D. So there's that.
Based on what?

I saw him discuss on the Purple Daily podcast but here's his write-up.​



Minnesota Vikings | Draft Grade: D

Last spring’s trades that ultimately led to EDGE Dallas Turner were largely built with equity from this draft. GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah entered with a league-low four picks and a league-low in total draft equity.

We saw this manifest early with the pick of OG Donovan Jackson. I saw Jackson as a late first-rounder, others saw him as an early second-rounder. But with the consensus top-three OTs, Tyler Booker and Grey Zabel, and the class’ consensus top-4 DTs all off the board before 1.24, the board had fallen poorly for the Vikings.

Adofo-Mensah had no choice but to stick-and-pick the last sure-thing trench option for immediate help. He appeared to be vindicated minutes later when Hosuton bailed out of its slot, presumably because Jackson was no longer available.

In my opinion, Jackson is the best pure guard in this class above Tyler Booker. He will start immediately at LG. Jackson has a premium combination of length—with the longest wingspan in the iOL class—and power in an athletic package. He’s a hammer in the run game.

Jackson deserves huge credit for sacrificing for the team and shifting from LG to LT to replace injured LT Josh Simmons in October. He was sensational in the College Football Playoff, allowing zero sacks and two pressures over four games, including a date with stud Tennessee EDGE James Pearce.

Donovan Jackson is the infinity stone to the top-3 NFL offensive line that the Vikings now boast, capping a stunning offseason transformation of an interior offensive line that had been problematic for years

After Jackson, the Vikings didn’t pick again until 3.97. They traded that pick along with No. 187 to the Houston Texans for Nos. 102 and 142. The Vikings chose Maryland WR Tai Felton at 3.102 – a nod to the team’s precarious receiver depth with a suspension for WR Jordan Addison looming.

Felton has 4.37 speed and both YAC juice and the ability to get downtown. He’s stick-thin, though, and lacks play strength – he will need to prove he can get off the line against press-cover bullies, and he needs to clean up his ball skills. Felton dropped eight balls last year, and particularly seemed to have an issue when jostled at the catch point.

There’s long-term starter ceiling in Felton’s profile, but it comes with risk. The same could be said of fourth-round EDGE Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins. Ingram-Dawkins is an eye-of-the-beholder ball of play. He’s young, he’s athletic, and he has a rangy frame. If you squint, you can see a long-term starting 3-4 defensive end. If you want to see the glass half-empty, you’ll perceive him as an unfinished product with a tweener profile – two years away from being two years away.

The Vikings traded back from their fifth-round pick, multiplying it into Nos. 201 and 202 via trade with the Rams. With the first of those picks, Minnesota took LB Kobe King, who I ranked closer to the slot they had traded down from. Quietly, the Vikings had a lack of linebacker depth, with little on the roster proven behind the starters. King should provide quality depth.

The Vikings’ depth at the TE position was also precarious, so it wasn’t a surprise that the other selection was used on a tight end. I think it was a mistake to take Pittsburgh’s Gavin Bartholomew over Nebraska’s Thomas Fidone II, who went shortly thereafter.

Adofo-Mensah told the media over the weekend that, in the circumstance that he was in, hitting it down the fairway was the best course of action. That’s what he did, adding an immediate starter at LG while fleshing out the roster’s depth.
 
With the benefit of hindsight who would you want the Vikings to pick at 34 and I think pick 86?
S Emmanwori had been projected as a possibility and was there at 34. I see other DT/OL I'm not as familiar with. I'm not familiar enough to suggest who was a good target in the 3rd, but that pick could be leveraged in any number of ways to accumulate more picks. Same with the 2026 3rd.

From the outside looking in, it's just sort of hard to understand how this one late 1st target is so mission critical that you can't tolerate sliding 10 picks to pick up 2 additional premium picks. It's more tunnel visioned than I'd expect for prospects in that range, after already adding C Kelly/OG Fries. It's mildly alarming we're that desperate.
 
Thor Nystrom gave the draft a D. So there's that.
Based on what?

I saw him discuss on the Purple Daily podcast but here's his write-up.​



Minnesota Vikings | Draft Grade: D

Last spring’s trades that ultimately led to EDGE Dallas Turner were largely built with equity from this draft. GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah entered with a league-low four picks and a league-low in total draft equity.

We saw this manifest early with the pick of OG Donovan Jackson. I saw Jackson as a late first-rounder, others saw him as an early second-rounder. But with the consensus top-three OTs, Tyler Booker and Grey Zabel, and the class’ consensus top-4 DTs all off the board before 1.24, the board had fallen poorly for the Vikings.

Adofo-Mensah had no choice but to stick-and-pick the last sure-thing trench option for immediate help. He appeared to be vindicated minutes later when Hosuton bailed out of its slot, presumably because Jackson was no longer available.

In my opinion, Jackson is the best pure guard in this class above Tyler Booker. He will start immediately at LG. Jackson has a premium combination of length—with the longest wingspan in the iOL class—and power in an athletic package. He’s a hammer in the run game.

Jackson deserves huge credit for sacrificing for the team and shifting from LG to LT to replace injured LT Josh Simmons in October. He was sensational in the College Football Playoff, allowing zero sacks and two pressures over four games, including a date with stud Tennessee EDGE James Pearce.

Donovan Jackson is the infinity stone to the top-3 NFL offensive line that the Vikings now boast, capping a stunning offseason transformation of an interior offensive line that had been problematic for years

After Jackson, the Vikings didn’t pick again until 3.97. They traded that pick along with No. 187 to the Houston Texans for Nos. 102 and 142. The Vikings chose Maryland WR Tai Felton at 3.102 – a nod to the team’s precarious receiver depth with a suspension for WR Jordan Addison looming.

Felton has 4.37 speed and both YAC juice and the ability to get downtown. He’s stick-thin, though, and lacks play strength – he will need to prove he can get off the line against press-cover bullies, and he needs to clean up his ball skills. Felton dropped eight balls last year, and particularly seemed to have an issue when jostled at the catch point.

There’s long-term starter ceiling in Felton’s profile, but it comes with risk. The same could be said of fourth-round EDGE Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins. Ingram-Dawkins is an eye-of-the-beholder ball of play. He’s young, he’s athletic, and he has a rangy frame. If you squint, you can see a long-term starting 3-4 defensive end. If you want to see the glass half-empty, you’ll perceive him as an unfinished product with a tweener profile – two years away from being two years away.

The Vikings traded back from their fifth-round pick, multiplying it into Nos. 201 and 202 via trade with the Rams. With the first of those picks, Minnesota took LB Kobe King, who I ranked closer to the slot they had traded down from. Quietly, the Vikings had a lack of linebacker depth, with little on the roster proven behind the starters. King should provide quality depth.

The Vikings’ depth at the TE position was also precarious, so it wasn’t a surprise that the other selection was used on a tight end. I think it was a mistake to take Pittsburgh’s Gavin Bartholomew over Nebraska’s Thomas Fidone II, who went shortly thereafter.

Adofo-Mensah told the media over the weekend that, in the circumstance that he was in, hitting it down the fairway was the best course of action. That’s what he did, adding an immediate starter at LG while fleshing out the roster’s depth.
Well he raves about Jackson saying he was Thors top guard of the draft.

So the grade is because of other picks than that.
 
With the benefit of hindsight who would you want the Vikings to pick at 34 and I think pick 86?
S Emmanwori had been projected as a possibility and was there at 34. I see other DT/OL I'm not as familiar with. I'm not familiar enough to suggest who was a good target in the 3rd, but that pick could be leveraged in any number of ways to accumulate more picks. Same with the 2026 3rd.

From the outside looking in, it's just sort of hard to understand how this one late 1st target is so mission critical that you can't tolerate sliding 10 picks to pick up 2 additional premium picks. It's more tunnel visioned than I'd expect for prospects in that range, after already adding C Kelly/OG Fries. It's mildly alarming we're that desperate.
Is be interested to know if that was actually in the table for them. Or if the Texans only traded out because the Vikings took Jackson.
 
With the benefit of hindsight who would you want the Vikings to pick at 34 and I think pick 86?
S Emmanwori had been projected as a possibility and was there at 34. I see other DT/OL I'm not as familiar with. I'm not familiar enough to suggest who was a good target in the 3rd, but that pick could be leveraged in any number of ways to accumulate more picks. Same with the 2026 3rd.

From the outside looking in, it's just sort of hard to understand how this one late 1st target is so mission critical that you can't tolerate sliding 10 picks to pick up 2 additional premium picks. It's more tunnel visioned than I'd expect for prospects in that range, after already adding C Kelly/OG Fries. It's mildly alarming we're that desperate.
Emmanwori is not a good tackler and may have not fit the defense.

He also does not protect McCarthy.

The Vikings seem to like Theo Jackson more than fans realize.

I dunno it's really weird to me that after all the years of you wanting the Vikings to fix the offensive line and stop trading down, now that they did that and didn't trade down you want them to trade down and not take a lineman.

That makes no sense to me.
 
interested to know if that was actually in the table for them. Or if the Texans only traded out because the Vikings took Jackson.
Agreed, would be interesting to know what they had available. Logic suggests the Giant's interest/willingness to trade up to 25 with Texans for QB Dart was also presented to the Vikings. Hard to imagine that interest began at pick 25, but who knows.

From Texan's vantage, it may be they traded out due to the Vikes selection of D Jackson. It seems at least equally possible they couldn't pass on getting a free 3rd round pick [I've seen that the trade charts had it + pick 91-93 for Texans].
 
The Vikings seem to like Theo Jackson more than fans realize.

I dunno it's really weird to me that after all the years of you wanting the Vikings to fix the offensive line and stop trading down, now that they did that and didn't trade down you want them to trade down and not take a lineman.
I mean, if it is your impression this team can't ever do anything but pick G to keep me happy, I'm not sure what to tell you. They already did replace Bradbury at C, which was my main grievance. They went a step further and made a huge investment in Fries, which is also awesome. I viewed those moves as great progress, and thought 2025 was largely a Best Player Available draft. I've expressed hope that BPA would best be a trench player, but also expressed hope they could get more picks trading down.

ETA: I also can't recall what you mean about me wanting the Vikes to stop trading down. All I can think of was my disappointment that they gave away the value of a 3rd to the Lions in 2022 to drop from 1.12 to 1.32. I thought you agreed that was horrible value.
 
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The Vikings seem to like Theo Jackson more than fans realize.

I dunno it's really weird to me that after all the years of you wanting the Vikings to fix the offensive line and stop trading down, now that they did that and didn't trade down you want them to trade down and not take a lineman.
I mean, if it is your impression this team can't ever do anything but pick G to keep me happy, I'm not sure what to tell you. They already did replace Bradbury at C, which was my main grievance. They went a step further and made a huge investment in Fries, which is also awesome. I viewed those moves as great progress, and thought 2025 was largely a Best Player Available draft. I've expressed hope that BPA would best be a trench player, but also expressed hope they could get more picks trading down.

ETA: I also can't recall what you mean about me wanting the Vikes to stop trading down. All I can think of was my disappointment that they gave away the value of a 3rd to the Lions in 2022 to drop from 1.12 to 1.32. I thought you agreed that was horrible value.
As far as trading down perhaps that was some other posters here who didn't like Spielman trading a quarter for 3 dime type deals but the one that pans out (if one does) isn't a very good starter.

You are right that the Vikings didn't need to take a guard. With 4 competent linemen that makes for a pretty good unit overall.

Teams attack the weakest link. If that was Blake Brandel that's a very weak link. Or a guard selected in the 3rd round, perhaps better than Brandel but we know it takes a couple years before they start playing at their highest level. So perhaps Brandel is about the same as a rookie 3rd round guard.

Some had Jackson as the best guard in the draft. I was just listening to Chris Trapasso say that here. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q-mpG4MA4LE&list=PLNig037SCN0wSjEqCSeqAtwPn409DW1Tv&index=1&pp=iAQB

He says that Jackson is a player who's ability he believes in almost more than any other player becoming a good starter.

As far as Bradbury I recall him making a block downfield and coaches being happy with it and Bradbury saying "oh you like that?" In a somewhat sarcastic manner.

I'm guessing Bradbury had been hearing about a lot they did not like from his play.
 
Some had Jackson as the best guard in the draft. I was just listening to Chris Trapasso say that here. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q-mpG4MA4LE&list=PLNig037SCN0wSjEqCSeqAtwPn409DW1Tv&index=1&pp=iAQB
Thank you for sharing. Definitely an upbeat take. I also agree with these guys saying this is not an analytical GM or game theory GM pick. I think they view that as a positive. I’m not sure it is. Still, it’s a safe pick at a position that could pay dividends in 2025.

Looks like UDFA was a big success:

In NFL.com's UDFA rankings, the Vikings signed the No. 1 offensive tackle (Brown), the No. 2 quarterback (Max Brosmer), the No. 6 tight end (Ben Yurosek), and the No. 1 edge rusher (Tyler Batty).
 
Some had Jackson as the best guard in the draft. I was just listening to Chris Trapasso say that here. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q-mpG4MA4LE&list=PLNig037SCN0wSjEqCSeqAtwPn409DW1Tv&index=1&pp=iAQB
Thank you for sharing. Definitely an upbeat take. I also agree with these guys saying this is not an analytical GM or game theory GM pick. I think they view that as a positive. I’m not sure it is. Still, it’s a safe pick at a position that could pay dividends in 2025.

Looks like UDFA was a big success:

In NFL.com's UDFA rankings, the Vikings signed the No. 1 offensive tackle (Brown), the No. 2 quarterback (Max Brosmer), the No. 6 tight end (Ben Yurosek), and the No. 1 edge rusher (Tyler Batty).
Right well there are a lot of different ways to look at it.

The context of the Vikings 2025 season is that they are trying to win now and set their QB up to be successful.

I think from a pick value stand point trading down should be a win every time, but the players they actually get for their trouble may not have the same ceiling as a higher pick like Jackson does.

Now the weakest link applies to cornerback as well. Theres always a opportunity cost. Cant address everything in one draft. They may not be done there yet.

With a hopefully a 5th quality starter at Oline they will still be good if there is an injury.
 

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