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Minnesota Vikings Team Thread (6 Viewers)
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BigJim®
Footballguy
It's funny, when I mentioned to-be jettisoned QBs I wondered about Denver post-Keenum. They may even draft someone. I wondered if the man out might be Lynch, who too would have been intriguing. I'd think Sloter would be happy with this development vs. maybe a draftee, bringing back Bridgewater, etc. If he knows Siemian, and doubts his ability to surpass the Siemiens of this league, then he knows he shouldn't be a #2..
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He could play anywhere and would upgrade either Sendejo or Waynes. Would definitely help out the nickel defense.
I would love that signing as he is great in slot coverage and makes plays all over the field.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Agreed, he seems to be everywhere, quickly, hitting hard. I think when the Vikes drafted Kearse it was mentioned that Zimmer preferred a bigger/taller safety, which honey badger is not... but starting a secondary with Rhodes/Harrison/Mathieu seems almost unfair.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
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Footballguy
"According to Rapoport, both the Arizona Cardinals and the New York Jets offered more money that the Vikings did. There weren’t any specifications about the length of the deals or the amount of guarantees that either of those two teams offered, just that they offered Cousins more than the Vikings did."
Pretty sure I already said exactly this.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
"According to Rapoport, both the Arizona Cardinals and the New York Jets offered more money that the Vikings did. There weren’t any specifications about the length of the deals or the amount of guarantees that either of those two teams offered, just that they offered Cousins more than the Vikings did."
Pretty sure I already said exactly this.
Your direct quote was that Cousins "wasn't sacrificing anything" by signing with the Vikings.
But hey, you clearly have an agenda here so don't let me get in the way.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Clearly you didn't understand the point I was making. Here are the facts. Cousins in the past has preferred to play under the franchise tag when other guys in his position have sacrificed short term money for the security of a long term contract. Cousins just signed the best contract in NFL history. It just so happens that the length of the contract gives him the ability to get another large contract when he's still in his early 30s. If you don't think this was a calculation by cousins and his agent than I don't know what to tell you.Hov34 said:
And to your point without the terms of the contract offers by the other 2 teams we can really know what "more" money is exactly. Maybe it's was more money because it was more years? Maybe it was more with less guarantees. So to say that cousins sacrificed anything to play for the Vikings is speculation at best.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
It’s Official: Vikings Sign QB Kirk Cousins
Still not clear on Siemians contract, but I am guessing that sportrac is wrong about his salary for this season. In any case it isn't that much.
$24 million for 2018 is 13.6% of the 2018 salary cap. A bit lower than I was thinking.
So the Vikings have about $28 million that they can use for free agency, rookie contracts (which won't be much) and re-signing their own players without cutting anyone, which I expect that they will release a couple players if they do not agree to pay cuts.
I am on board with pursuing Honey Badger. I see him playing nickle corner mostly if they do sign him. Having him with Smith and Sendejo does allow for some interesting coverage disguises and rotations as he can play safety as well. Good tackler.
If the salary cap jumps to $190 million in 2019 then his $29 million will be 15.3% of the cap, which is only 1% more than they paid the QBs last year.
Still not clear on Siemians contract, but I am guessing that sportrac is wrong about his salary for this season. In any case it isn't that much.
$24 million for 2018 is 13.6% of the 2018 salary cap. A bit lower than I was thinking.
So the Vikings have about $28 million that they can use for free agency, rookie contracts (which won't be much) and re-signing their own players without cutting anyone, which I expect that they will release a couple players if they do not agree to pay cuts.
I am on board with pursuing Honey Badger. I see him playing nickle corner mostly if they do sign him. Having him with Smith and Sendejo does allow for some interesting coverage disguises and rotations as he can play safety as well. Good tackler.
Mathieu is a safety so are you hearing he would play some corner as well? Not sure we need three so maybe dejo would be out? Would love HB either way
Sheldon Richardson in town having dinner with team officials tonight. We’ll see.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Because he’s a safety? Has he played corner before? He’s also 5’9” so a little on the small side for corner. He is good so could probably manage it but why move him away from the position he excels at?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yes he played cornerback in college.
He may be a bit small and slow but I could see him fitting in similarly to Antone Winfield. Likely not as good but I could see him playing well in the slot and I think the Vikings are looking to get better there.
If he can only play safety then he would not be as valuable to the Vikings. An upgrade over Sendejo? Probably but Sendejo has played pretty well the last two years, not sure he would be a big upgrade there. He could be an upgrade over Alexander and Newman though.
I think?
Maybe I am wrong about him being able to play corner. Arizona has been playing so much amoeba defense it is hard for me to say what his main role was for them. I haven't watched that many Cardinals games.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I would love to see him in purple. He is 25 and a stud. Zim would figure out what to do with him.
However given some of our other needs (albeit limited) I see him as a luxury signing.
A girl can dream though...
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encaitar
Footballguy
He played nickel corner for Arizona. He was a safety in their base package and switched to the slot CB when they went to nickel.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am not sure how much money Mathieu is looking for, his contract history is kind of weird. He was making something like $10 million a year and did not want to take a pay cut, so at least that much I am guessing.
The Vikings do have the cap space. I am not sure what they think of him as a player, or how interested they might be besides the money.
He missed games every year before 2017 but I read he played the most snaps of any player in 2017. So he is fully recovered from the ACL injury he had in 2016.
I know the Vikings were looking at a couple other cornerbacks who I am unfamiliar with.
I would guess they bring Newman back, but maybe phasing him out, so there is a need for a 3rd corner to compete with Alexander.
The Vikings do have the cap space. I am not sure what they think of him as a player, or how interested they might be besides the money.
He missed games every year before 2017 but I read he played the most snaps of any player in 2017. So he is fully recovered from the ACL injury he had in 2016.
I know the Vikings were looking at a couple other cornerbacks who I am unfamiliar with.
I would guess they bring Newman back, but maybe phasing him out, so there is a need for a 3rd corner to compete with Alexander.
encaitar
Footballguy
For sure. I'd rather they sign Richardson as we need depth along Dline, but I wouldn't be upset if they decided to improve the secondary by signing Mathieu. He was a fan favorite in Arizona, and plays much bigger than 5'9".
Garafalo apparently retracted his statement regarding seattle making an offer to richardson. I am paying waaay too much attention to this, gotta find something else to do.
Mike Garafolo
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Gotta clear something up. I'm being cited as saying the Seahawks are offering $11m per year to Sheldon Richardson. They are NOT. I reviewed the clip and I see how I phrased it in a way that made it seem that's what I was saying. Bad wording by me. Apologies on that.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Huh. Ok then.
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Sheldon Richardson remains in Minnesota and is getting the stadium tour, etc., today, sources tell @RapSheet and me. Picked up by GM in jet, had lunch with Kirk Cousins and others in owners’ suite yesterday ... #Vikings would like to close him, if the price is right.
10:41 AM - Mar 16, 2018 · Eagan, MN
Sheldon Richardson remains in Minnesota and is getting the stadium tour, etc., today, sources tell @RapSheet and me. Picked up by GM in jet, had lunch with Kirk Cousins and others in owners’ suite yesterday ... #Vikings would like to close him, if the price is right.
10:41 AM - Mar 16, 2018 · Eagan, MN
mozzy84
Footballguy
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
The rotoworld just mentioned Vikings' latest FA signing in Sheldon Richardson, which they now have further strength their already-scary and vicious defense. With Cousins in the fold as their QB, Vikings have to be prohibitive favorite for the Super Bowl. They truly are going all-in for this year.
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skol asylum
Footballguy
Looks like only a one year deal for Richardson. On to Tyrann Mathieu. 
I need help with this terminology...
Is a "viscous defense" one that is extremely hard to run through, like wading in mud? Or one that is slow as molasses and doesn't adjust well?
Richardson might be an even bigger addition than Cousins. Vikings front 4 had one weakness, and that is gone now.
That said, I don't know if I'd call them the favorite for he Super Bowl yet. Both the Eagles and Saints have both improved a lot too this off season. One thing is for sure, the NFC sure looks far superior to the AFC right now.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Vikings looking to very special with cousins and now Richardson. Don’t see any weaknesses on this team, just a chip on their shoulder to win big.
Depends on the viscosity rating...........it could be good or bad.I need help with this terminology...
Is a "viscous defense" one that is extremely hard to run through, like wading in mud? Or one that is slow as molasses and doesn't adjust well?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
if you guys don't win it this year. you never will........
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
coach needs to grow a pair of balls and keep attacking on Offense no matter the game situation or the score....
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Vikings sign DT Sheldon Richardson to 1-year deal8
Minnesota Vikings release WR Jarius Wright
The Vikings now have $18 million or so cap space left.
Minnesota Vikings release WR Jarius Wright
The Vikings now have $18 million or so cap space left.
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
I believe he’s the only player in the past three years (since he became the full time starter) to throw for 4000 yards, 90 rating and 25 tds a year.
Also with a pretty limited talent pool of receivers IMO.
O-line is still a pretty big weakness, even if Berger returns, which is very questionable. CB is also an issue, as Rhodes is the only sure thing there. Waynes took a step forward last year, but that step was from liability to decent. Like with Berger, they have issues even if Newman is back. LB isn't a weakness per se, but Kendricks has been an underachiever(or maybe my expectations have been too high) and you never know what version of Barr is going to show up.
On offense, I really hope the Wright move, is a sign they will use more 2-TE sets. Morgan is a solid player, and should be on the field a lot more than he has been. I could WR depth being an issue, as I doubt anybody still thinks too highly of Treadwell.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
encaitar
Footballguy
Had Washington had a "league average" defense the last 3 years, their expected win totals would've been 13.12. and 13.
He's better than any QB we've had since Favre and he's 29, not 39. One of only 6 QBs to ever throw for 4900 yards and he did it with average talent around him. There's a lot to be hyped about. Now, he could still fail, but there is a reason for the hype.
Between signing Cousins and Richardson, I think the Vikings are the team to beat in the NFC.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Recently I have heard that Berger has received a few offers from teams including the Vikings but that he is still considering retirement (maybe he wants to see a bit more money than he is being offered). So still up in the air in regards to him. I hope he decides to play for the Vikings as he has been good, although perhaps not as good last year as he has been in years before, thats hard to say. He didn't stand out as much on the 2017 group as he did in years before, might be no change for Berger, just better linemen around him last season.
I think Waynes played a lot better for most of the season. There were a couple of games where the QB will go after Rhodes instead of Waynes, and to me that is Waynes playing pretty well. I still have hope for Maurice Alexander but he made mistakes last year and I do agree the Vikings should look to add another corner, even if they do bring Newman back for depth.
Could you explain what you mean by Kendricks being an under achiever? He has played very well every year. I don't see it that way at all. He has played better than Barr has, if you are talking about a player not playing up to their draft position, thus underachieving.
I am with you in regards to Morgan playing more. I would like to see him play more in 1 TE sets as well. He blocks much better than Rudolph and he is still a capable receiver on play action. The only thing that Rudolph does better than Morgan is being a taller larger target, which is helpful in the red zone. Its not like Rudolph is that much faster or has better hands than Morgan though. He is just a bigger target in my view.
Zimmer called Treadwell out during the combine saying Treadwell needs to get out of his own way. I think there is a role for him in 3 WR sets, he is just turning 23 years old this June, a lot of WR might be that old and along in their development entering the league as Treadwell is right now. Its not Treadwells fault that Diggs and Thielen are such good WR either. I think Treadwell still has a chance to be useful to the Vikings and perhaps Cousins in the QB to unlock some of that. Just have to wait and see what happens.
In any case the Vikings are good at WR and losing Wright is not a big loss to the offense at all. I like Jaruis Wright but not for $4.7 million he was counting against the cap.
We're mostly on the same page. I also have hope for Alexander, and Treadwell to a lesser extent, but neither have shown anything yet, and I'd hate to go into the year expecting either to be #3 at their positions. That said, maybe Treadwell will be this year's Nelson Agholor?
Kendricks has been fine, I just thought when he was drafted he was going to be a star. I thought he was one of the top-10 players in that class, ahead of Waynes even, so I've been somewhat disappointed. Like I said, maybe that is my expectations being too high.
I'm glad someone else sees it with Morgan. At times I wonder if Rudolph is even the best TE on the team. Cousins seemed to have a lot of success with 2-TE sets in Washington, although neither Morgan or Rudolph are anything like Jordan Reed, so that may be irrelevant.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Jordan Reed is an exceptional receiver when healthy. Best receiver Washington has. A lot of what Reed does is between the hashes on dig routes, drags and so on. He filled a role more similar to what Diggs does for the Vikings.
A healthy Jordan Reed rivals the best TE in the game like Gronkowski as a receiver. Rudolph is not as good as Reed when healthy. I do think Cousins could elevate Rudolphs play somewhat perhaps if they continue to use him as much as they have. My main issue with Rudolph is his blocking. He just isn't very good at that. Not that Reed was either, but Rudolph is not as good a receiver that the QB can go to on 3rd down with confidence.
encaitar
Footballguy
You're underselling Rudolph IMO. Morgan does not run as good of routes as Kyle does. Morgan doesn't have anywhere near the hands Rudolph has. Kyle is gonna be a force in the redzone with Cousins given how much Kirk loved going to Reed in those areas.
I agree that Rudolph isn't much of a blocker, but his receiving skills are unmatched by anyone else in our TE group.
Treadwell OTOH, was an excellent blocker last year. It's that part of his game that kept Wright off the field so much, as Wright was clearly a better target than Treadwell was. I have a lot of hope for Treadwell still, but this is the year he has to show it.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah maybe I am being too harsh in regards to Rudolph. The failed blocks by him have me wishing the Vikings would just cut him at times.
encaitar
Footballguy
I think the coaching staff just needs to be smarter with him. Antonio Gates was never asked to block. Neither is Jimmy Graham. It's time to admit he's just a 6'6" 260 lb. slow WR and use him as one. He can be and is very good when used in the right way.
