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Miss America- Scrapping swimsuit competition, no longer judging on looks (1 Viewer)

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You're kidding, right?  The majority of the complaints here characterize it as a thing of consequence.   "We're too PC nowadays," "the thought police at work again, "more evidence of liberal snowflakes ruining America," etc. 

Anyway, this is a story because conservative media can't use Barack Obama as a scare tactic to rile up old people in between ads for reverse mortgages and ED pills any more. So they turn to the two next best things- the Clintons (even though none occupy a position of power or will any time in the foreseeable future) and nostalgia. It's very unlikely that there are more stories like this than there used to be. Conservatives just hear about them more, because Fox knows they can't tell you about the actual news like how we all left thousands of Puerto Ricans to die in the aftermath of a storm and then the administration lied about it, or how we're tearing children away from their parents at the border for no reason, or how the president makes a mockery of the rule of law on a daily basis.  So ... swimsuits.  Obviously I'm as susceptible to it as anyone and take the bait, and I see that now.  My bad. Gotta do better.
You're a sharp guy better than this jive.  

Your original post was "guys whining about the least consequential thing imaginable" and I don't think you'd get a huge fight because you couldn't show me one poster who admits to even watching this show, including yourself, so I don't see where the consequence was stated or impllied.  .  Beyond the specific of this, I think the posters, or at least I have, perhaps I shouldn't speak for all, see it as part of a larger, broader point.   Apparently like your second paragraph, where if you wonder why this is changing you are a frustrated Obama hater (???).  Miss America has solved a problem that didn't, so far as we knew, in terms of how this pageant plays out. I'll again revert to you saying, a guy who doesn't watch it historically and you have announced now plans to watch now with its new progressive bent, that this is "antiquated" and "why is it still a thing".  

The difference I would parse, is most of the posters here don't care about this, but can say hey, if thats your thing, do your thing.  You don't care about it and want it done away with.  On to the next windmill to tilt at.  

Miss America is a dopey contest made to get one last weekend in Atlantic City post Labor Day.  When I think of it, my first thought and recollection is my mother and grandmother getting excited for it, not men, as it was a chance to watch 50 evening gowns in one night, 50 hair styles, etc.  I couldn't tell you the difference between a good evening gown and a bad one, but they could dissect it like we would break down Dalvin Cook vs. Alivin Kamara.  Now they don't get to do that.  Spike the football, you've rescued these women from this.

Look, I see Miss America like I see civil war reenactors.  Its a whole weird subculture I don't understand, but people apparently get great kicks dressing up and playing it out.  It doesn't bother me even though you wouldn't catch me dead doing it.  

But come to think of it, you may want to turn your attention there, those guys are wearing confederate uniforms with a rebel flag you know?  Better not let them use national parks to wear such clothing.  

 
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You're a sharp guy better than this jive.  

Your original post was "guys whining about the least consequential thing imaginable" and I don't think you'd get a huge fight because you couldn't show me one poster who admits to even watching this show, including yourself, so I don't see where the consequence was stated or impllied.  .  Beyond the specific of this, I think the posters, or at least I have, perhaps I shouldn't speak for all, see it as part of a larger, broader point.   Apparently like your second paragraph, where if you wonder why this is changing you are a frustrated Obama hater (???).  Miss America has solved a problem that didn't, so far as we knew, in terms of how this pageant plays out. I'll again revert to you saying, a guy who doesn't watch it historically and you have announced now plans to watch now with its new progressive bent, that this is "antiquated" and "why is it still a thing".  

The difference I would parse, is most of the posters here don't care about this, but can say hey, if thats your thing, do your thing.  You don't care about it and want it done away with.  On to the next windmill to tilt at.  

Miss America is a dopey contest made to get one last weekend in Atlantic City post Labor Day.  When I think of it, my first thought and recollection is my mother and grandmother getting excited for it, not men, as it was a chance to watch 50 evening gowns in one night, 50 hair styles, etc.  I couldn't tell you the difference between a good evening gown and a bad one, but they could dissect it like we would break down Dalvin Cook vs. Alivin Kamara.  Now they don't get to do that.  Spike the football, you've rescued these women from this.

Look, I see Miss America like I see civil war reenactors.  Its a whole weird subculture I don't understand, but people apparently get great kicks dressing up and playing it out.  It doesn't bother me even though you wouldn't catch me dead doing it.  

But come to think of it, you may want to turn your attention there, those guys are wearing confederate uniforms with a rebel flag you know?  Better not let them use national parks to wear such clothing.  
Sorry GB, but I just couldn't follow this post.

I think my post and position is pretty clear.  I think the contest is kinda weird and the scholarships thing John Oliver highlighted seems shady, but if they want to make small incremental changes to it in the way of progress, why not. I also think these sort of small updates and changes to things that seem outdated have always happened and are no big deal or indicative of a sea change or something. The big difference is that now they're being turned into "culture wars" as a way for conservative media that can no longer report on the actual important news to still get their aging viewers riled up, which has always been their (brilliant) business models. I have a tendency to get sucked into those stupid culture wars and inadvertently do their bidding, which I don't enjoy, so I'll bow out now.

 
Thanks Buddy. Just kidding about the BBQ skills. I hadn't thought of that one until he said it but I can see how it might come to pass. Especially if the Beyond Meat stuff continues to advance. We'll see I guess. 

The reason I asked about wondering if people in the 1950's felt a little bad about segregation and discrimination is I wonder if there are things we won't do 50 years from now that we today feel a little bad about. It's a known thing I love BBQ but I can't deny a slaughterhouse feels pretty messed up. I could envision something like that happening where we don't eat animals. Or at least it's very different from now. It'll be interesting to watch. 
Thankfully I will be dead and buried in my grave by then.  I don't want to live in a world where there is no longer the smell of meat over heat wafting on the breeze on the 4th of July.  My neighborhood is a mix of chicken, burgers, brats, dogs, steaks, pork, grilling, smoking, and smoke from fireworks.  It is glorious.  Some of the neighborhood ladies wear clothing items which allows for a bit of objectification, and that too is glorious.  The daughters, well we all have an unspoken agreement when it comes to them.

 
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Beef is the worst by far. It is pretty terrible for our environment. Chicken is like 8 times as efficient. Pork I think is twice as efficient. 

But if you really want to look at devastation...

Think about this. For every pound of beef you are buying at the grocery store that's about 50 pounds of manure. It is produced at a rate faster than it can be used. So it ends up in piles, pits, etc. This surplus is causing a massive increase in methane emissions. 

Chicken by contrast has about 3 pounds of waste produced per pound of edible meat. 
A lot of this is compounded by feeding cows corn, which they by design can't ingest.  

 
Parks and Rec parodied this whole thing back in like Season 2. 

"We're all in agreement right? It's the hot one."

 
These contests, cheerleaders, and skin rags have been made 100% irrelevant by easily accessible Internet porn.

I'd be more impressed if they did 'Miss America Ninja Warrior'.  Anyone fit enough to get through the Gauntlet would be asked a series a of 5 questions and asked to display a talent, and rated.  That should weed out the fatties.

 
Not gonna read the thread but I am sure I am not the first to post that I had no idea the Miss America pageant was still a thing.

 
What fascinates me about this decision is that it addresses the concerns of the far conservative right (sexual indecency) and the liberal left (objectifying women) at the same time. I wonder if they realize the irony.
Bingo. The head of the pageant who made the decision has been working for Fox News for over a decade (untill her sexual harrassment suit was brought against Ailes). She seems like a pretty strong conservative. 

 
On the topic of "things society might find objectionable in fifty years", I might suggest means-tested social safety nets.  I can see society evolving to determine that such policies intentionally harmed those they purported to help.

 
I'm sorry to hear this. Growing up, this was one of the most ejaculatable nationally televised programs after Victory Secret fashion show

 

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