MJD to Holdout (1 Viewer)

[kutta]

What is irksome is of MJD would seek to refund money to the club had he under performed.Did Chris Johnson give the Titans a refund?Contract as an agreement seems conveniently less binding when it serves the players best interests.MJD has a contract. He should honor it and his word.

What "conveniently" happened to Peyton Manning when he was owed a 28Million bonus on the contract he and the colts signed?You may not like the current system the NFL has in place but it hardly serves the best interest any one side.

Guess it depends on if guaranteed or not.

So it's OK for the team to back out of a non-guaranteed contract, but it's not OK for the player to do the same thing?Both sides signed the contract. If you are going to make one side stick to it, you should require that of both.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

What is irksome is of MJD would seek to refund money to the club had he under performed.Did Chris Johnson give the Titans a refund?Contract as an agreement seems conveniently less binding when it serves the players best interests.MJD has a contract. He should honor it and his word.

What "conveniently" happened to Peyton Manning when he was owed a 28Million bonus on the contract he and the colts signed?You may not like the current system the NFL has in place but it hardly serves the best interest any one side.

Guess it depends on if guaranteed or not.

So it's OK for the team to back out of a non-guaranteed contract, but it's not OK for the player to do the same thing?Both sides signed the contract. If you are going to make one side stick to it, you should require that of both.

what is wrong with you people?every single year this same conversation goes on and on, you just have to fill the name in.do you people really not understand nfl contracts?

 

[pghrob]

What is irksome is of MJD would seek to refund money to the club had he under performed.Did Chris Johnson give the Titans a refund?Contract as an agreement seems conveniently less binding when it serves the players best interests.MJD has a contract. He should honor it and his word.

What "conveniently" happened to Peyton Manning when he was owed a 28Million bonus on the contract he and the colts signed?You may not like the current system the NFL has in place but it hardly serves the best interest any one side.

Guess it depends on if guaranteed or not.

So it's OK for the team to back out of a non-guaranteed contract, but it's not OK for the player to do the same thing?Both sides signed the contract. If you are going to make one side stick to it, you should require that of both.

Agreed

 

[dickey moe]

Bump Henne.

weak attempt at humour

SMHB, guy.

 

[rjv]

If a player doesn't live up to his contract he can be cut, but if a player outplays the contract he can't negotiate for a new contract?

Plus this is the best and only time for MJD to pull this. He has been a outstanding player for the Jags.

I'm sure if he wasn't living up to the current contract, the existing contract would be torn up and a new one would be presented to him to sign, and if he didn't he would b traded or cut.

 

[KellysHeroes]

If a player doesn't live up to his contract he can be cut, but if a player outplays the contract he can't negotiate for a new contract? Plus this is the best and only time for MJD to pull this. He has been a outstanding player for the Jags. I'm sure if he wasn't living up to the current contract, the existing contract would be torn up and a new one would be presented to him to sign, and if he didn't he would b traded or cut.

the owners own the league, so ofcourse its not going to be fair

 

[pghrob]

I am going to take the naive and dumb tact here...what is the point of a contract?

 

[comfortably numb]

I am going to take the naive and dumb tact here...what is the point of a contract?

It's essentially a baseline starting point.Both parties know the likely-hood of a player finishing out his entire contract (as signed) is a very rare possibility.

The players will always look dooshy doing this, when the owners cut a player it's just business.

take a look at Julius Peppers

in 2010 signed a 6/84M deal with 42M guaranteed

He is going to make

8.9M in 2012

12.9 in 2013

13.9 in 2014

16.5 in 2015

After this year, Peppers still has 43.3M available on the contract he signed.

Great right?

Wrong, I am going to guess he either gets cut after this year or agrees to restructure his deal...regardless what happens, we can all say with 100% certainty that he will not see the money in those last 2-3 years.

So when he gets cut no one will ever complain how the owners are not living up the the remaining years on the contract they signed.

 

[rjv]

I am going to take the naive and dumb tact here...what is the point of a contract?

It's essentially a baseline starting point.Both parties know the likely-hood of a player finishing out his entire contract (as signed) is a very rare possibility.

The players will always look dooshy doing this, when the owners cut a player it's just business.

take a look at Julius Peppers

in 2010 signed a 6/84M deal with 42M guaranteed

He is going to make

8.9M in 2012

12.9 in 2013

13.9 in 2014

16.5 in 2015

After this year, Peppers still has 43.3M available on the contract he signed.

Great right?

Wrong, I am going to guess he either gets cut after this year or agrees to restructure his deal...regardless what happens, we can all say with 100% certainty that he will not see the money in those last 2-3 years.

So when he gets cut no one will ever complain how the owners are not living up the the remaining years on the contract they signed.

Exactly. In MJD's situation, a RB time table in the NFL is short. So he needs to get his payday now since he is relatively healthy and young.

 

[JaxBill]

MJD isn't playing out the final two years of a rookie deal that he has outplayed.

Three years ago, he signed a 5 year deal averaging over 6 mill per. And he will probably be able to collect every cent of that deal. He signed a top deal for a back, on a per year average.

Top backs are now getting 7-9 mill per, no? MJD is NOT underpaid, he gave up the ability to be the top-paid back every year when he opted for security, getting a $9 mill signing bonus, and $17 mill guaranteed on his last deal. He could have played out his deal, and been franchised for two years straight, then been a free agent if he wanted. That's how you get the most dollars per year.

But MJD wanted to hedge for injury, smartly. So he signed a 5 year deal. What happens when you sign a multi-year deal is that by the end of the deal, there are players making more money than you, that signed deals more recently.

It's an insult to Jacksonville fans to imagine that they collectively don't know this. Further, to suggest that the Jags should give him what he wants, to appease some mouth-breathers on sports radio is absurd. Giving good players good long term deals, and holding them to those deals, is what smart teams do. Tearing a up a fair deal with two years left is what stupid teams do. Here's the 'message' you are sending: We are not a dumb front office.

Just my guess:

MJD is taking a shot. I really think he is quite ready to play under his current deal, and will probably not cause any problems. I think it's kind of a "Hey, let's make some noise, maybe they'll throw me some cash..." Squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that.

MJD doesn't strike me as dumb, I don't imagine he'd be willing to pay 30 grand a day for two long.

So you feel the hard stance by the new owner will play well with the 30,000-50,000 fan base that show up and actually pay money to watch the games? I think your post is well thought out, but I don't give Jax the credit you are when you say "Giving good players good long term deals, and holding them to these deals"...that's great for New England but Jax does not have the same luxury IMHO.

/thread

 

[humpback]

It comes down to who holds the majority of the risk of the contract. In the first few years, the team has most of it. Towards the end, it's the player. One of reasons the NFL is so much better than the other major sports is because of the lack of guaranteed contracts IMO.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

take a look at Julius Peppers

in 2010 signed a 6/84M deal with 42M guaranteed

He is going to make

8.9M in 2012

12.9 in 2013

13.9 in 2014

16.5 in 2015

After this year, Peppers still has 43.3M available on the contract he signed.

Great right?

Wrong, am going to guess he either gets cut after this year agrees to restructure his deal...regardless what happens, we can all say with 100% certainty that he will not see the money in those last 2-3 years.

So when he gets cut no one will ever complain how the owners are not living up the the remaining years on the contract they signed.

Looooooolthis forum is a riot

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I am going to take the naive and dumb tact here...what is the point of a contract?

It's essentially a baseline starting point.Both parties know the likely-hood of a player finishing out his entire contract (as signed) is a very rare possibility.

The players will always look dooshy doing this, when the owners cut a player it's just business.

take a look at Julius Peppers

in 2010 signed a 6/84M deal with 42M guaranteed

He is going to make

8.9M in 2012

12.9 in 2013

13.9 in 2014

16.5 in 2015

After this year, Peppers still has 43.3M available on the contract he signed.

Great right?

Wrong, I am going to guess he either gets cut after this year or agrees to restructure his deal...regardless what happens, we can all say with 100% certainty that he will not see the money in those last 2-3 years.

So when he gets cut no one will ever complain how the owners are not living up the the remaining years on the contract they signed.

I agree and can't figure out why fans are so quick to overlook this part of the equation. If the contracts were 100% guaranteed then I would side with the owners every time when it comes to contract disputes.

 

[humpback]

I agree and can't figure out why fans are so quick to overlook this part of the equation. If the contracts were 100% guaranteed then I would side with the owners every time when it comes to contract disputes.

There would be nothing to dispute if contracts were 100% guaranteed.

 

[BroadwayG]

I agree and can't figure out why fans are so quick to overlook this part of the equation. If the contracts were 100% guaranteed then I would side with the owners every time when it comes to contract disputes.

There would be nothing to dispute if contracts were 100% guaranteed.

Owner sanity.

 

[pghrob]

Maybe multi year contracts should just be tossed and everybody go 1 year time. Sure you miss out on the big pay days that come from guaranteed money but you also can eliminate the risk of not getting injured and therefore losing out on paying big money for nothing. Taking it 1 year at a time for both players & team also eliminates the ridiculousness that comes with negotiating 5 year deals that struggle to stand the test of time in changing market economy.

 

[massraider]

Maybe multi year contracts should just be tossed and everybody go 1 year time. Sure you miss out on the big pay days that come from guaranteed money but you also can eliminate the risk of not getting injured and therefore losing out on paying big money for nothing. Taking it 1 year at a time for both players & team also eliminates the ridiculousness that comes with negotiating 5 year deals that struggle to stand the test of time in changing market economy.

The "market economy" hasn't changed. It's not like in 2009 no one new if this 'football' thing was gonna take off. Contracts increase. That's what happens. The next guy to get a deal gets a bigger one. That's the way it works.

 

[pghrob]

Maybe multi year contracts should just be tossed and everybody go 1 year time. Sure you miss out on the big pay days that come from guaranteed money but you also can eliminate the risk of not getting injured and therefore losing out on paying big money for nothing. Taking it 1 year at a time for both players & team also eliminates the ridiculousness that comes with negotiating 5 year deals that struggle to stand the test of time in changing market economy.

The "market economy" hasn't changed. It's not like in 2009 no one new if this 'football' thing was gonna take off. Contracts increase. That's what happens. The next guy to get a deal gets a bigger one. That's the way it works.

isn't that fair market value? the guys that have a contract that was the best deal in town 5 years ago all of a sudden are making less money now while putting up similar statistics.

 

[BroadwayG]

Maybe multi year contracts should just be tossed and everybody go 1 year time. Sure you miss out on the big pay days that come from guaranteed money but you also can eliminate the risk of not getting injured and therefore losing out on paying big money for nothing. Taking it 1 year at a time for both players & team also eliminates the ridiculousness that comes with negotiating 5 year deals that struggle to stand the test of time in changing market economy.

If the players wanted this, everyone would clamor to have the franchise tag put on them.

 

[comfortably numb]

take a look at Julius Peppers

in 2010 signed a 6/84M deal with 42M guaranteed

He is going to make

8.9M in 2012

12.9 in 2013

13.9 in 2014

16.5 in 2015

After this year, Peppers still has 43.3M available on the contract he signed.

Great right?

Wrong, am going to guess he either gets cut after this year agrees to restructure his deal...regardless what happens, we can all say with 100% certainty that he will not see the money in those last 2-3 years.

So when he gets cut no one will ever complain how the owners are not living up the the remaining years on the contract they signed.

Looooooolthis forum is a riot

is that unpossible?If he tears an ACL in October they bringing him back for 12.9M in 2013?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

In deep leagues where Jennings is already rostered, the important question is who will share carries if there is no MJD. Montell Owens, Jalen Parmalee, DuJuan Harris or someone else?

 

[Xue]

In deep leagues where Jennings is already rostered, the important question is who will share carries if there is no MJD. Montell Owens, Jalen Parmalee, DuJuan Harris or someone else?

Jags will probably sign someone after roster cuts. I'd wait and see. I wouldn't bother rostering anyone outside of Jennings.

 

[Silver & Black]

There's no sense arguing over the age old contract dispute. It simply is what it is and cuts both ways. Their all hypocrites. Owners can cut a player mid-contract even though he has a contract that they both signed and should live up to. Players can hold out when they outperform a contract to look for a better deal. This is the way the league is constructed and is simply not worth debating. Nobody honors a contract to full term so people should stop saying a player is wrong for loking for a new deal the only way he can under the current system.

But I digress.

MJD is an icon in Jacksonville. He has played 110% for a very long time there and been the best player there for a long time. The ofense has run through him and he as always answered the bell on the field. I also don't recall him having any major odd the field issues either. Jacksonville is a mess and can't sell tickets. They have a young QB that looked like hell last year and a rookie WR that hasn't signed yet. In short, Jax is a mess.

Yes, MJD is geting up there and has a bilion miles on his treads. But the dude was the leading rusher in 2011 and is the reigning face of the organization. And has represented well. Jax shouldn't come out and say they aren't even going to negotiate with him and he has to play out the contract he has signed. This is very bad business, especially in a town where filling the stadium is a problem. They should sit down with him and try to hammer out a new deal. MJD deserves it. IF MJD looks like a pig in the negotiatons, they can use the media and make him look like the bad guy, not the organization.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Ministry of Pain]

There's no sense arguing over the age old contract dispute. It simply is what it is and cuts both ways. Their all hypocrites. Owners can cut a player mid-contract even though he has a contract that they both signed and should live up to. Players can hold out when they outperform a contract to look for a better deal. This is the way the league is constructed and is simply not worth debating. Nobody honors a contract to full term so people should stop saying a player is wrong for loking for a new deal the only way he can under the current system.But I digress. MJD is an icon in Jacksonville. He has played 110% for a very long time there and been the best player there for a long time. The ofense has run through him and he as always answered the bell on the field. I also don't recall him having any major odd the field issues either. Jacksonville is a mess and can't sell tickets. They have a young QB that looked like hell last year and a rookie WR that hasn't signed yet. In short, Jax is a mess.Yes, MJD is geting up there and has a bilion miles on his treads. But the dude was the leading rusher in 2011 and is the reigning face of the organization. And has represented well. Jax shouldn't come out and say they aren't even going to negotiate with him and he has to play out the contract he has signed. This is very bad business, especially in a town where filling the stadium is a problem. They should sit down with him and try to hammer out a new deal. MJD deserves it. IF MJD looks like a pig in the negotiatons, they can use the media and make him look like the bad guy, not the organization.Just my 2 cents

Well said

 

[pghrob]

There's no sense arguing over the age OKs contract dispute. It simply is what it is and cuts both ways. Their all hypocrites. Owners can cut a player mid-contract even though he has a contract that they both signed and should live up to. Players can hold out when they outperform a contract to look for a better deal. This is the way the league is constructed and is simply not worth debating. Nobody honors a contracts to full term so people should stop saying a player is wrong for loking for a new deal the only way he can under the current system.But I digress. MJD is an icon in Jacksonville. He has played 110% for a very long time there and been the best player there for a long time. The ofense has run through him and he as always answered the bell on the field. I also don't recall him having any major odd the field issues either. Jacksonville is a mess and can't sell tickets. They have a young QB that looked like hell last year and a rookie WR that hasn't signed yet. In short, Jax is a mess.Yes, MJD is geting up there and has a bilion miles on his treads. But the dude was the leading rusher in 2011 and is the reigning face of the organization. And has represented well. Jax shouldn't come out and say they aren't even going to negotiate with him and he has to play out the contract he has signed. This is very bad business, especially in a town where filling the stadium is a problem. They should sit down with him and try to hammer out a new deal. MJD deserves it. IF MJD looks like a pig in the negotiatons, they can use the media and make him look like the bad guy, not the organization.Just my 2 cents

Well said

Agreed. :goodpost:

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

take a look at Julius Peppers

in 2010 signed a 6/84M deal with 42M guaranteed

He is going to make

8.9M in 2012

12.9 in 2013

13.9 in 2014

16.5 in 2015

After this year, Peppers still has 43.3M available on the contract he signed.

Great right?

Wrong, am going to guess he either gets cut after this year agrees to restructure his deal...regardless what happens, we can all say with 100% certainty that he will not see the money in those last 2-3 years.

So when he gets cut no one will ever complain how the owners are not living up the the remaining years on the contract they signed.

Looooooolthis forum is a riot

is that unpossible?If he tears an ACL in October they bringing him back for 12.9M in 2013?

sorry, didn't know you were guessing he'd tear his acl.

carry on.......

 

[comfortably numb]

take a look at Julius Peppers

in 2010 signed a 6/84M deal with 42M guaranteed

He is going to make

8.9M in 2012

12.9 in 2013

13.9 in 2014

16.5 in 2015

After this year, Peppers still has 43.3M available on the contract he signed.

Great right?

Wrong, am going to guess he either gets cut after this year agrees to restructure his deal...regardless what happens, we can all say with 100% certainty that he will not see the money in those last 2-3 years.

So when he gets cut no one will ever complain how the owners are not living up the the remaining years on the contract they signed.

Looooooolthis forum is a riot

is that unpossible?If he tears an ACL in October they bringing him back for 12.9M in 2013?

sorry, didn't know you were guessing he'd tear his acl.

carry on.......

That's just one possibility, so is not playing well enough to be worth the Bears bringing him back for 12.9.As I said earlier releasing him is just one possibility, but IMO no way he see 12.9 in 2013 let alone 13.9 and 16.5

 

[H8tank]

Jacksonville is a mess and can't sell tickets.

The past two seasons have been blackout free and they are averaging 63K butts in seats the past two years.

They have a young QB that looked like hell last year

He was slated to sit and learn, 3rd string. Garrards back issues meant he couldn't play so Blaine was put on the field much sooner than they wanted. He was the youngest QB in the history of the NFL to start 14 games, all this AND there was no off season. How was Sam Bradfords season last year? Aikmans first season? Peyton?

and a rookie WR that hasn't signed yet.

He's had two alcohol related arrests in the past 24 months, he is flirting with suspension if he gets in trouble again, those guys get clauses in their contracts, this is how the business works. You don't like it? Then you must be his agent.

In short, Jax is a mess.

Really? New Billionaire owner, new coach, best WR coach in the league, new $3 million locker room. http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/videos/Jaguars-locker-room-tour/9dadaa72-8824-434e-a75f-42913d28bd1b They are anything but a mess.

You know which team is a mess? The soon to be LA Raiders.

Yes, MJD is geting up there and has a bilion miles on his treads. But the dude was the leading rusher in 2011

1600 yards? 27th in season rushing leaders. You don't pay a guy for what he has done, you pay him for what he is going to do.

Jax shouldn't come out and say they aren't even going to negotiate with him and he has to play out the contract he has signed.

The owner did. No negotiations. Report or get fined. $30K a day. He is on the un-injured did not report list. He got paid. No need to make a C.Johnson type mistake.

 

[Freedonia]

What is irksome is of MJD would seek to refund money to the club had he under performed.Did Chris Johnson give the Titans a refund?Contract as an agreement seems conveniently less binding when it serves the players best interests.MJD has a contract. He should honor it and his word.

If you are posting on this board you are a NFL fan who follows the sport closely. You have to know that NFL teams cut players under contract all the time. Either because the player is under performing or because the contract that the team willingly signed hurts the teams cap number too much. So why do people expect the players to act like their contracts are set in stone when they know that the owners will never behave in the same manner.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I wonder how people would feel if they paid some contractor to build a house for them and then 3 weeks in he said thx for the money, but if you didn't come up with double they were going to stop work and run off with your cash.

 

[comfortably numb]

I wonder how people would feel if they paid some contractor to build a house for them and then 3 weeks in he said thx for the money, but if you didn't come up with double they were going to stop work and run off with your cash.

You have oranges in your apple salad.

 

[cobalt_27]

I wonder how people would feel if they paid some contractor to build a house for them and then 3 weeks in he said thx for the money, but if you didn't come up with double they were going to stop work and run off with your cash.

Please say more. Not sure how this is relevant to MJD.

 

[The Moz]

W/The GM dug in and saying NO WAY -- If MJD can sit out the first 10 games and become I FA at seasons end I can see that happening. Sitting out 10 games might actually help extend the little guys career anyway. If that isn't an option I can't see how MJD doesn't cave if he's tied to Jax for another season regardless.

If I were Jax and dug in I would trade him for draft picks to a team that needs a stud back. Synder might bite

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

W/The GM dug in and saying NO WAY -- If MJD can sit out the first 10 games and become I FA at seasons end I can see that happening. Sitting out 10 games might actually help extend the little guys career anyway. If that isn't an option I can't see how MJD doesn't cave if he's tied to Jax for another season regardless. If I were Jax and dug in I would trade him for draft picks to a team that needs a stud back. Synder might bite

What is irksome is of MJD would seek to refund money to the club had he under performed.Did Chris Johnson give the Titans a refund?Contract as an agreement seems conveniently less binding when it serves the players best interests.MJD has a contract. He should honor it and his word.

If you are posting on this board you are a NFL fan who follows the sport closely. You have to know that NFL teams cut players under contract all the time. Either because the player is under performing or because the contract that the team willingly signed hurts the teams cap number too much. So why do people expect the players to act like their contracts are set in stone when they know that the owners will never behave in the same manner.

you knuckleheads have absolutely no idea wtf you are talking about.STOP POSTING!

 

[massraider]

W/The GM dug in and saying NO WAY -- If MJD can sit out the first 10 games and become I FA at seasons end I can see that happening. Sitting out 10 games might actually help extend the little guys career anyway. If that isn't an option I can't see how MJD doesn't cave if he's tied to Jax for another season regardless. If I were Jax and dug in I would trade him for draft picks to a team that needs a stud back. Synder might bite

But he can't. He has 2 years left on his deal.Not underpaid, and 2 years left on his deal. No chance, Maurice.

 

[ldizzle]

This thread has gone to crap

 

[Lab]

Let me try to reorient things.

What are the chances all this actually affects MJD's 2012 season? In just under a week, he's already slipped from roughly ADP 1.9 to ADP 1.12 (already down a bit from 1.7 or 1.8 over the past month as this story was developing). It seems to me he could be a draft-day bargain if you can draft him before this situation resolves itself, and he could become more of a bargain as he slips into round 2.

But all that is based on the assumption this dispute is just a money squabble that will eventually blow over before the preseason. Is that a valid assumption? Or is there real risk he might hold out?

Hoping for input from people who follow Jxn closely here. TIA.

 

[Saint]

This thread has gone to crap

Amen.Back on track folks. The situation is messy, the question is do you take the risk of going in the 1st round with him. At this point I say no. There are a lot of good RBs going after him that I would rather have over MJD because of this situation.. mainly McFadden, Richardson, Johnson.

In three money drafts on MFL, I have seen him taken at the following spots:

[*]1.07

[*]1.11

[*]2.02

 

[Run It Up]

This thread has gone to crap

Amen.Back on track folks. The situation is messy, the question is do you take the risk of going in the 1st round with him. At this point I say no. There are a lot of good RBs going after him that I would rather have over MJD because of this situation.. mainly McFadden, Richardson, Johnson.

In three money drafts on MFL, I have seen him taken at the following spots:

[*]1.07

[*]1.11

[*]2.02

If you dont mind, starting money and how much he went for in those leagues?

 

[JaxBill]

A poll on jacksonville.com isn’t scientific, but it says a lot about Maurice Jones-Drew’s attempt to renegotiate a new contract.

More than 85 percent of voters said MJD, who has not reported to training camp, should honor the final two years of his contract. Only about 13 percent said the Jaguars should tear up his deal and give him a new one.

Jones-Drew’s decision to hold out doesn’t have a lot of community support. Maybe if he isn’t around when the season starts and the Jaguars struggle, opinions might change. But that’s not likely — the Jaguars were 5-11 last season when MJD led the NFL in rushing. How much worse will they be without him?

Understandably, Jones-Drew, 27, wants another big contract beyond his existing $31 million deal signed in 2009. He has seen several running backs, including Chris Johnson and Arian Foster in his division, recently sign more lucrative deals.

But the Jaguars hold all the leverage here. Other than sit out and be fined, Jones-Drew doesn’t have a lot of options. And if he’s looking for a groundswell of public support, it doesn’t appear on the horizon.

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/401949/chet-fussman/2012-07-27/fans-say-maurice-jones-drew-needs-show-and-play

 

[JaxBill]

Let me try to reorient things.

What are the chances all this actually affects MJD's 2012 season? In just under a week, he's already slipped from roughly ADP 1.9 to ADP 1.12 (already down a bit from 1.7 or 1.8 over the past month as this story was developing). It seems to me he could be a draft-day bargain if you can draft him before this situation resolves itself, and he could become more of a bargain as he slips into round 2.

But all that is based on the assumption this dispute is just a money squabble that will eventually blow over before the preseason. Is that a valid assumption? Or is there real risk he might hold out?

Hoping for input from people who follow Jxn closely here. TIA.

I think as long as he reports around the time of the Jags' first preseason game, the damage to his performance is minimal.If you draft MJD, Jennings is increasingly becoming a required handcuff to mitigate risk.

 

[whatadai]

take a look at Julius Peppers

in 2010 signed a 6/84M deal with 42M guaranteed

He is going to make

8.9M in 2012

12.9 in 2013

13.9 in 2014

16.5 in 2015

After this year, Peppers still has 43.3M available on the contract he signed.

Great right?

Wrong, am going to guess he either gets cut after this year agrees to restructure his deal...regardless what happens, we can all say with 100% certainty that he will not see the money in those last 2-3 years.

So when he gets cut no one will ever complain how the owners are not living up the the remaining years on the contract they signed.

Looooooolthis forum is a riot

is that unpossible?If he tears an ACL in October they bringing him back for 12.9M in 2013?

sorry, didn't know you were guessing he'd tear his acl.

carry on.......

That's just one possibility, so is not playing well enough to be worth the Bears bringing him back for 12.9.As I said earlier releasing him is just one possibility, but IMO no way he see 12.9 in 2013 let alone 13.9 and 16.5

LOL...you have no clue how the salary cap works do you? Barring a career threatening injury, he will see that $12.9 million of his base salary. He already gets a guaranteed $10.5 million signing bonus next year...so there is NO chance that they will cut him after giving him $10.5 million. If they restructure...it will be to lower his base salary and give him a large chunk of that $12.9 million in bonuses so that they can relieve some cap room to sign other players. Plus, the salary cap is going to explode next year the way it currently works with the new CBA. It's easy to pay Peppers big when the rest of your team sucks and gets paid ####.

 

[dontknowaboutme]

I have a hard time drafting players who hold-out. It is not uncommon for them to tweak their hamstring badly shortly after returning. I prefer to stay away from players holding out.

 

[Silver & Black]

Jacksonville is a mess and can't sell tickets.

The past two seasons have been blackout free and they are averaging 63K butts in seats the past two years.

They have a young QB that looked like hell last year

He was slated to sit and learn, 3rd string. Garrards back issues meant he couldn't play so Blaine was put on the field much sooner than they wanted. He was the youngest QB in the history of the NFL to start 14 games, all this AND there was no off season. How was Sam Bradfords season last year? Aikmans first season? Peyton?

and a rookie WR that hasn't signed yet.

He's had two alcohol related arrests in the past 24 months, he is flirting with suspension if he gets in trouble again, those guys get clauses in their contracts, this is how the business works. You don't like it? Then you must be his agent.

In short, Jax is a mess.

Really? New Billionaire owner, new coach, best WR coach in the league, new $3 million locker room. http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/videos/Jaguars-locker-room-tour/9dadaa72-8824-434e-a75f-42913d28bd1b They are anything but a mess.

You know which team is a mess? The soon to be LA Raiders.

Yes, MJD is geting up there and has a bilion miles on his treads. But the dude was the leading rusher in 2011

1600 yards? 27th in season rushing leaders. You don't pay a guy for what he has done, you pay him for what he is going to do.

Jax shouldn't come out and say they aren't even going to negotiate with him and he has to play out the contract he has signed.

The owner did. No negotiations. Report or get fined. $30K a day. He is on the un-injured did not report list. He got paid. No need to make a C.Johnson type mistake.

Well, lets just say that we agree to disagree. I am quite comfortable in my belief that Oakland is a team on the rise and is primed to have a good season in 2012. I will tag this post so we can come back at the end of the year and see whose season was more of a mess, Jax or Oakland. As for getting the thrrad back on track, I don't see how you can consider drafting MJD now. I agree with a post above regarding injuries to players that hold out. I believe they are much more likely. This situaton is going to get ugly and I don't forsee it ending anytime soon. I wouldn't touch MJD with 10 foot pole.

 

[The Moz]

If NE offered them a 2nd rounder and gave MJD a little bump in money would Jax do it and would MJD take the lesser money to play for title contender?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

If NE offered them a 2nd rounder and gave MJD a little bump in money would Jax do it and would MJD take the lesser money to play for title contender?

first of all, he's got to be looking for 8-10 m/yr, so I don't see NE paying him anywhere near that, and I don't see him taking a 50% discount.also, I'd really question whether NE would want a guy with his attitude.even if he took that big discount, like randy did to escape oakland, wouldn't he then just hold out next year for a lot more?what would be the point?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm gonna post a list of top salaries for DE for that one guy who thinks peppers is going to tear his acl and get cut.

I won't vet it, though, so don't use it for any of your school research papers.

Dwight Freeney $14,035,000

Elvis Dumervil $14,000,000

Jared Allen $11,619,850

Tamba Hali $11,250,000

(ok, I cheated)

Cliff Avril $10,605,000

(franchise tag fig when he signs)

it is always possible they restructure and extend, but to think they'll cut him is ridiculous, unless he just fails to perform, like a haynesworth, or has some career threatening injury.

and if he isn't going to produce, he shouldn't be getting paid -- so, what's the point?

edit:

this is what you posted

we can all say with 100% certainty that he will not see the money in those last 2-3 years

we can?you realize if they restructure and extend him, he IS getting that money, right??

have a little common sense, ffs.

 

[kutta]

I'm gonna post a list of top salaries for DE for that one guy who thinks peppers is going to tear his acl and get cut.

I won't vet it, though, so don't use it for any of your school research papers.

Dwight Freeney $14,035,000

Elvis Dumervil $14,000,000

Jared Allen $11,619,850

Tamba Hali $11,250,000

(ok, I cheated)

Cliff Avril $10,605,000

(franchise tag fig when he signs)

it is always possible they restructure and extend, but to think they'll cut him is ridiculous, unless he just fails to perform, like a haynesworth, or has some career threatening injury.

and if he isn't going to produce, he shouldn't be getting paid -- so, what's the point?

edit:

this is what you posted

we can all say with 100% certainty that he will not see the money in those last 2-3 years

we can?you realize if they restructure and extend him, he IS getting that money, right??

have a little common sense, ffs.

Larry, I'm not sure what your point is in this thread. You aren't really saying much and you just keep saying that people don't understand NFL contracts.The bottom line is that a team can cut a player if they want to. The Colts signed Peyton to a 5 year $90M contract and promptly released him. Of course that's just one example. It happens ALL the time.

Please explain to those of us who think the contract thing goes both ways what we are missing.

 

[whatadai]

I'm gonna post a list of top salaries for DE for that one guy who thinks peppers is going to tear his acl and get cut.

I won't vet it, though, so don't use it for any of your school research papers.

Dwight Freeney $14,035,000

Elvis Dumervil $14,000,000

Jared Allen $11,619,850

Tamba Hali $11,250,000

(ok, I cheated)

Cliff Avril $10,605,000

(franchise tag fig when he signs)

it is always possible they restructure and extend, but to think they'll cut him is ridiculous, unless he just fails to perform, like a haynesworth, or has some career threatening injury.

and if he isn't going to produce, he shouldn't be getting paid -- so, what's the point?

edit:

this is what you posted

we can all say with 100% certainty that he will not see the money in those last 2-3 years

we can?you realize if they restructure and extend him, he IS getting that money, right??

have a little common sense, ffs.

Larry, I'm not sure what your point is in this thread. You aren't really saying much and you just keep saying that people don't understand NFL contracts.The bottom line is that a team can cut a player if they want to. The Colts signed Peyton to a 5 year $90M contract and promptly released him. Of course that's just one example. It happens ALL the time.

Please explain to those of us who think the contract thing goes both ways what we are missing.

Teams don't cut a player in a year where they're guaranteed $10.5 million in bonuses before their base salary.

 

[H8tank]

Well, lets just say that we agree to disagree. I am quite comfortable in my belief that Oakland is a team on the rise and is primed to have a good season in 2012. I will tag this post so we can come back at the end of the year and see whose season was more of a mess, Jax or Oakland.

I can appreciate that.My opinion, MJD comes into camp in the next few weeks, plays his ### off and gets a somewhat re-worked deal next year...AFC South? Indy will be LUCKy to win 2 games, Tenn? no. Houston? Liz frank anyone? The 6th ranked defense gets better, and has a new offense. Jax wins the division with 9 wins.