MLB in-season thread (1 Viewer)

[RnR]

Yanks don't need Pujols or Fielder. That's the whole point. They already have what Pujols/Fielder bring to the table in a slugging first baseman like Mark Teixeira in the prime of his career. They need P-I-T-C-H-I-N-G and Y-O-U-T-H.

Yes they need pitching and youth, but to suggest they have Pujols / Fielder in Teixeira is living in the past. Teix is basically a .250 hitter now. Will have an OBP well below those two and slug about .100 points less.

Plus Pujols is lethal in the postseason. Which is basically all that should matter when it's a given you make the playoffs every year.

Statements like this make me a huge Rays fan.

I don't care for either team. Just the reality of the situation.

So let's play along. Let's say they sign a 32ish year old Pujols. What is their defensive alignment in 2014 with a 40 yr old Jeter, 38yr old A-Rod, 35ish Pujols, 34yr old Teixeira, and Robbie Cano on the wrong side of 30?

Enough with this Jeter nonsense too. He has two years remaining. He had a very good year. Looking like a good contract. Two years from now we'll see. His contract is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Moreso if they have to extend him.

He holds a player option for 2014, so he's under contract for three more years.If an OPS+ of 97 and a -18 Rdrs rating at the most important infield position is a good year and makes his play on the field worth $15 mil to you, then I'm really not sure we can see eye to eye here. (Not debating his worth in terms of branding)

But once again you miss my point. I'm not talking in terms of his contract. I'm talking in terms of where he plays on the field. He cannot play SS for a winning team in two or three years. Just can't. But he's the "captain" and "Mr. Yankee", so where does he play? His pride won't let him move positions. His team won't win with him as a full-time SS. This has partial DH written all over it.

Same type of situation with ARod. He's going to need time at DH over the next few years.

I'm not questioning whether the Yanks can afford Fielder or Pujols, I'm saying they don't have the space to allocate plate appearances for all the egos involved. Money is much better spent on pitching.

 

[pollardsvision]

What a wonderful 24 hours that was.

Tigers send the Yanks home. Always good fun.

Brewers get closer to a title chance before Fielder walks.

Epic pitching duel. Now Cliff Lee's going home while the team he walked out on is in the ALCS.

 

[beaux]

Behind Doc Halladay's 1-0 complete game shutout, Phils become first team to clinch a playoff berth.

Which isn't a good thing. I think I saw on ESPN that since the beginning of the wild card in 1995, the team that has clinched first had won the World Series three times while losing in the first round six times.

I bet none of those teams had Halladay, Lee, Hamels and a team on a mission!

So, how did that work out for you?:

 

[The Kerminator]

No offense to Brewer fans, but if the D-Backs manage to pull this off, I would be thrilled. Until Selig is gone from the Commish office, I wish misery on the Brewers.

Please explain what the Brewers fans have to do with Selig? He is no longer part of the team and we suffered enough under his and Wendy's ownership during the latter years.

 

[GroveDiesel]

No offense to Brewer fans, but if the D-Backs manage to pull this off, I would be thrilled. Until Selig is gone from the Commish office, I wish misery on the Brewers.

Please explain what the Brewers fans have to do with Selig? He is no longer part of the team and we suffered enough under his and Wendy's ownership during the latter years.

I said that as hatred towards Selig, not Brewers fans. I feel bad for all the garbage the true Brewers fans have dealt with.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So, which choke jobs were actually worse: the Braves and Sox collapses to miss the playoffs, or the top 2 seeds both getting booted in the first round?

 

[shadyridr]

So, which choke jobs were actually worse: the Braves and Sox collapses to miss the playoffs, or the top 2 seeds both getting booted in the first round?

really? what do u think? pretty obvious

 

[Mr.Pack]

No offense to Brewer fans, but if the D-Backs manage to pull this off, I would be thrilled. Until Selig is gone from the Commish office, I wish misery on the Brewers.

Please explain what the Brewers fans have to do with Selig? He is no longer part of the team and we suffered enough under his and Wendy's ownership during the latter years.

I said that as hatred towards Selig, not Brewers fans. I feel bad for all the garbage the true Brewers fans have dealt with.

What did Selig do to you to cause all this hatred?

 

[Mr.Pack]

No offense to Brewer fans, but if the D-Backs manage to pull this off, I would be thrilled. Until Selig is gone from the Commish office, I wish misery on the Brewers.

Please explain what the Brewers fans have to do with Selig? He is no longer part of the team and we suffered enough under his and Wendy's ownership during the latter years.

I said that as hatred towards Selig, not Brewers fans. I feel bad for all the garbage the true Brewers fans have dealt with.

This statement contradicts the statement in bold.

 

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Go Cards!

 

[Wrigley]

Go Cards!

hot linking is a no gopretty sure you were trying to post this

 

[Bogart]

Go Cards!

hot linking is a no gopretty sure you were trying to post this

WTF?!?!

 

[Wrigley]

Go Cards!

hot linking is a no gopretty sure you were trying to post this

WTF?!?!

it's called the Red Bird low five

 

[JZilla]

There's some guy speaking complete gibberish with Kruk and Ravech

 

[tommyGunZ]

god it's tough being a Padre fan today. Taking all I've got not to buy an Angles lid and Trout jersey and tell Moorad and Co to go #### themselves.

 

[Eephus]

god it's tough being a Padre fan today. Taking all I've got not to buy an Angles lid and Trout jersey and tell Moorad and Co to go #### themselves.

Is Jed Hoyer really worth seven emoticons?

 

[Bogart]

god it's tough being a Padre fan today. Taking all I've got not to buy an Angles lid and Trout jersey and tell Moorad and Co to go #### themselves.

Is Jed Hoyer really worth seven emoticons?

I would have stopped at six three.

 

[Limp Ditka]

god it's tough being a Padre fan today. Taking all I've got not to buy an Angles lid and Trout jersey and tell Moorad and Co to go #### themselves.

Is Jed Hoyer really worth seven emoticons?

Who else is going to go out and there get you the likes of Ryan Ludwick and Jorge Cantu?

 

[tommyGunZ]

god it's tough being a Padre fan today. Taking all I've got not to buy an Angles lid and Trout jersey and tell Moorad and Co to go #### themselves.

Is Jed Hoyer really worth seven emoticons?

It's bigger than Hoyer. We lost two elite baseball minds today (McLeod is also going) , and when you're a small market team with a payroll in the mid-40s that kind of brain drain can't happen. Hoyer is that good, IMO. I'll be stunned if he's not wildly successful in Chicago and is one of the elite FO guys for the next couple decades. I didn't bat an eye when Towers left - this is much, much worse. With Hoyer, McLoed, Byrnes, Black, and Balsly I felt like our FO/Management was upper echelon and we had a shot at overachieving. That optimism is gone.It's the way it happend as well. Rumor is that Hoyer asked for an extension to stay and Moorad refused. So now not only can we not compete dollars wise when a SD native becomes an All Star 1B, our owner is too ####### cheap to pay elite FO people as well. Easily my most disappointing day as a Padre fan.

 

[tommyGunZ]

god it's tough being a Padre fan today. Taking all I've got not to buy an Angles lid and Trout jersey and tell Moorad and Co to go #### themselves.

Is Jed Hoyer really worth seven emoticons?

Who else is going to go out and there get you the likes of Ryan Ludwick and Jorge Cantu?

And Maybin for 2 middle relievers. While competing until the final day in '10 with a payroll in the low 40s. And turning a bottom 5 farm system into a top 10 system in 2 years. He won 8 less games than your boy Kenny Williams with 1/3 the payroll.

 

[Eephus]

god it's tough being a Padre fan today. Taking all I've got not to buy an Angles lid and Trout jersey and tell Moorad and Co to go #### themselves.

Is Jed Hoyer really worth seven emoticons?

Who else is going to go out and there get you the likes of Ryan Ludwick and Jorge Cantu?

And Maybin for 2 middle relievers. While competing until the final day in '10 with a payroll in the low 40s. And turning a bottom 5 farm system into a top 10 system in 2 years. He won 8 less games than your boy Kenny Williams with 1/3 the payroll.

I think Moorad should have asked for some compensation but it's not that unusual for front office guys to move while under contract.

 

[tommyGunZ]

god it's tough being a Padre fan today. Taking all I've got not to buy an Angles lid and Trout jersey and tell Moorad and Co to go #### themselves.

Is Jed Hoyer really worth seven emoticons?

Who else is going to go out and there get you the likes of Ryan Ludwick and Jorge Cantu?

And Maybin for 2 middle relievers. While competing until the final day in '10 with a payroll in the low 40s. And turning a bottom 5 farm system into a top 10 system in 2 years. He won 8 less games than your boy Kenny Williams with 1/3 the payroll.

I think Moorad should have asked for some compensation but it's not that unusual for front office guys to move while under contract.

I'll take anything, but it's bigger than that for this organization. Moorad's willing to let 2 guys walk whom everyone in baseball respects and holds in high regard so that his guy can take over. It's a poor way to run any business, much less an organization that depends heavily on the FO excelling with limited resources for payroll. If you can't tell, I'm not a fan of this move.

 

[Oh Yes!]

god it's tough being a Padre fan today. Taking all I've got not to buy an Angles lid and Trout jersey and tell Moorad and Co to go #### themselves.

Is Jed Hoyer really worth seven emoticons?

Who else is going to go out and there get you the likes of Ryan Ludwick and Jorge Cantu?

And Maybin for 2 middle relievers. While competing until the final day in '10 with a payroll in the low 40s. And turning a bottom 5 farm system into a top 10 system in 2 years. He won 8 less games than your boy Kenny Williams with 1/3 the payroll.

I think Moorad should have asked for some compensation but it's not that unusual for front office guys to move while under contract.

I'll take anything, but it's bigger than that for this organization. Moorad's willing to let 2 guys walk whom everyone in baseball respects and holds in high regard so that his guy can take over. It's a poor way to run any business, much less an organization that depends heavily on the FO excelling with limited resources for payroll. If you can't tell, I'm not a fan of this move.

man, now youre starting to bring ME down. and im a Cubs fan.

 

[Premier]

god it's tough being a Padre fan today. Taking all I've got not to buy an Angles lid and Trout jersey and tell Moorad and Co to go #### themselves.

You bandwagonning a team? I can't picture it.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Edwin Jackson is going to play for every major league team before he's even 30.

 

[Daywalker]

Angels my A.L. team. East Coast transplant here.

Two deals Angels need to explore:

1. K. Morales and P. Borgieous? for D. Wright. Angels settle their infield with Wright at third and Trumbo at first. Mets shed salary and can keep Reyes and put Bourgious in CF. That looks nice defensively and speed wise for that park. I know they are moving the fences in but still. Morales can slot in at first.

2. Angels sign Aramis Ramirez. Hopefully 3years 35-40mill.

Ramirez is enticing because Angels don't have to give up valuable low salary players like Borgius and Morales. But I really think Wright could have a renaissance in Anaheim. It's close. Perhaps signing Ramirez and trading Burgioues and Morales for prospects or a 4th starter is the way to go. Morales will have a lot of value if healthy by spring training.

They better be all over this.

Thank god Reagan is gone. The Wells deal rightfully should end someone's career. Like captaining the Titanic. You can't be trusted. Just throwing away Napoli. Scosscia should take some blame too.

 

[Daywalker]

Got to think Oswalt now being a FA hurts C.J. Wilson's potential contract. Texas and the Yanks will play both off each other.

Oswalt likely to get 3 yers 45mill I would think. Yanks and Texas may prefer that option. Once he signs with either team Wilson is not going to get vastly overpaid as previously assummed. Unless Yanks want both which is possible.

 

[Limp Ditka]

1. K. Morales and P. Borgieous? for D. Wright. Angels settle their infield with Wright at third and Trumbo at first. Mets shed salary and can keep Reyes and put Bourgious in CF. That looks nice defensively and speed wise for that park. I know they are moving the fences in but still. Morales can slot in at first.

Mets have Ike Davis coming back. And even without Ike, I don't think this is something they would do. Too many question marks around Kendry.

 

[Wrigley]

Does LaRussa ever not cry?

 

[RnR]

Does LaRussa ever not cry?

Hey! Texas starting pitcher Derek Holland did a Harry Carey impression during the telecast last night... so the Cubs have that going for them!

 

[Ghost Rider]

Does LaRussa ever not cry?

Hey! Texas starting pitcher Derek Holland did a Harry Carey impression during the telecast last night... so the Cubs have that going for them!

Haha, exactly. That's about the only way anything Cubs-related will be involved with a World Series.

 

[Wrigley]

Does LaRussa ever not cry?

Hey! Texas starting pitcher Derek Holland did a Harry Carey impression during the telecast last night... so the Cubs have that going for them!

Haha, exactly. That's about the only way anything Cubs-related will be involved with a World Series.

when/if they ever go, I'm sure Tony will complain about it.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

There's talk the Angels are going to make a strong push for Jose Reyes.

 

[Daywalker]

There's talk the Angels are going to make a strong push for Jose Reyes.

Guy cannot stay healthy even in his walk year. Chronic hamstring problems for a guy who relies on his speed. I wouldn't touch him at the expected asking price. Angels have plenty of speed as well.A. Ramirez is a perfect fit. They need a power hitter and outfield is crowded due to the Wells debacle.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

There's talk the Angels are going to make a strong push for Jose Reyes.

Guy cannot stay healthy even in his walk year. Chronic hamstring problems for a guy who relies on his speed. I wouldn't touch him at the expected asking price. Angels have plenty of speed as well.A. Ramirez is a perfect fit. They need a power hitter and outfield is crowded due to the Wells debacle.

Looking at the Angels of the past several years they seem to be allergic to power bats. Pitching and defense are crucial but they've gone overboard with it. I don't think it was all the GM either. Scioscia has gone a bit nuts imo. How is Aramis' defense?

 

[Daywalker]

There's talk the Angels are going to make a strong push for Jose Reyes.

Guy cannot stay healthy even in his walk year. Chronic hamstring problems for a guy who relies on his speed. I wouldn't touch him at the expected asking price. Angels have plenty of speed as well.A. Ramirez is a perfect fit. They need a power hitter and outfield is crowded due to the Wells debacle.

Looking at the Angels of the past several years they seem to be allergic to power bats. Pitching and defense are crucial but they've gone overboard with it. I don't think it was all the GM either. Scioscia has gone a bit nuts imo. How is Aramis' defense?

Think you answered your own question.Their outfield is jammed. They need to find a power bat at third.

 

[boubucarow]

There's talk the Angels are going to make a strong push for Jose Reyes.

Guy cannot stay healthy even in his walk year. Chronic hamstring problems for a guy who relies on his speed. I wouldn't touch him at the expected asking price. Angels have plenty of speed as well.A. Ramirez is a perfect fit. They need a power hitter and outfield is crowded due to the Wells debacle.

Looking at the Angels of the past several years they seem to be allergic to power bats. Pitching and defense are crucial but they've gone overboard with it. I don't think it was all the GM either. Scioscia has gone a bit nuts imo. How is Aramis' defense?

His defense is poor to fringe average depending on his mood it seems.

 

[Raider Nation]

Which team would get the better of a straight-up trade involving Ellsbury for King Felix: Boston or Seattle?

This hypothetical came up on WEEI in Boston tonight and the co-hosts had such differing opinions, they almost came to blows.

 

[Eephus]

Which team would get the better of a straight-up trade involving Ellsbury for King Felix: Boston or Seattle?This hypothetical came up on WEEI in Boston tonight and the co-hosts had such differing opinions, they almost came to blows.

Ellsbury has two cost controlled seasons left while Hernandez' big money starts in 2012. That probably doesn't matter as much to the Sox as it would to most other clubs.I wouldn't fight about it

 

[Raider Nation]

Which team would get the better of a straight-up trade involving Ellsbury for King Felix: Boston or Seattle?This hypothetical came up on WEEI in Boston tonight and the co-hosts had such differing opinions, they almost came to blows.

Ellsbury has two cost controlled seasons left while Hernandez' big money starts in 2012. That probably doesn't matter as much to the Sox as it would to most other clubs.I wouldn't fight about it

Contracts aside, you would assign similar value to both players?

 

[Eephus]

Which team would get the better of a straight-up trade involving Ellsbury for King Felix: Boston or Seattle?This hypothetical came up on WEEI in Boston tonight and the co-hosts had such differing opinions, they almost came to blows.

Ellsbury has two cost controlled seasons left while Hernandez' big money starts in 2012. That probably doesn't matter as much to the Sox as it would to most other clubs.I wouldn't fight about it

Contracts aside, you would assign similar value to both players?

It's hard to compare pitchers and position players. I'd definitely make the deal if I was Seattle but not sure if I was Boston.

 

[Daywalker]

Which team would get the better of a straight-up trade involving Ellsbury for King Felix: Boston or Seattle?This hypothetical came up on WEEI in Boston tonight and the co-hosts had such differing opinions, they almost came to blows.

Ellsbury has two cost controlled seasons left while Hernandez' big money starts in 2012. That probably doesn't matter as much to the Sox as it would to most other clubs.I wouldn't fight about it

Contracts aside, you would assign similar value to both players?

It's hard to compare pitchers and position players. I'd definitely make the deal if I was Seattle but not sure if I was Boston.

Ellsbury is not enough for Felix. Not crazy. But not that close either. Felix gets 25mill/year on open market. Ellsbury gets 18-20mill/year and that's coming off a career year. Ellsbury more likely a 13-15mill/year guy.

 

[Daywalker]

Which team would get the better of a straight-up trade involving Ellsbury for King Felix: Boston or Seattle?This hypothetical came up on WEEI in Boston tonight and the co-hosts had such differing opinions, they almost came to blows.

Ellsbury has two cost controlled seasons left while Hernandez' big money starts in 2012. That probably doesn't matter as much to the Sox as it would to most other clubs.I wouldn't fight about it

Contracts aside, you would assign similar value to both players?

It's hard to compare pitchers and position players. I'd definitely make the deal if I was Seattle but not sure if I was Boston.

Ellsbury is not enough for Felix. Not crazy. But not that close either. Felix gets 25mill/year on open market. Ellsbury gets 18-20mill/year and that's coming off a career year. Ellsbury more likely a 13-15mill/year guy.

 

[Wrigley]

Did it even rain in STL last night?

 

[tommyGunZ]

god it's tough being a Padre fan today. Taking all I've got not to buy an Angles lid and Trout jersey and tell Moorad and Co to go #### themselves.

You bandwagonning a team? I can't picture it.

Yeah, b/c it was so hard to find a seat on the Pads/Chargers bandwagon when I moved to Diego in '02.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Which team would get the better of a straight-up trade involving Ellsbury for King Felix: Boston or Seattle?This hypothetical came up on WEEI in Boston tonight and the co-hosts had such differing opinions, they almost came to blows.

Ellsbury has two cost controlled seasons left while Hernandez' big money starts in 2012. That probably doesn't matter as much to the Sox as it would to most other clubs.I wouldn't fight about it

Contracts aside, you would assign similar value to both players?

It's hard to compare pitchers and position players. I'd definitely make the deal if I was Seattle but not sure if I was Boston.

Ellsbury is not enough for Felix. Not crazy. But not that close either. Felix gets 25mill/year on open market. Ellsbury gets 18-20mill/year and that's coming off a career year. Ellsbury more likely a 13-15mill/year guy.

I'd pull the trigger on that deal if I'm the Sox. You can buy a replacement for Ellsbury. Not sure there is a replacement for King Felix.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I can never remember disagreeing with Eephus, but that trade is much better for Boston IMO. Ellsbury would be terrific in that big Safeco CF, but he probably will never have another year like he just had. In Seattle he might be more of a ten HR guy.

King Felix is an ace, top five pitcher in baseball. Those don't grow on trees. If the Mariners can get some hitting and make some noise, facing King Felix and Pineda in a playoff series would not be fun. I think that's the way they have to approach things.

 

[Eephus]

The Mariners need some offense in the worst way. They scored 180 runs below the AL average last year and over 200 runs less in 2010. It doesn't do them much good to run Hernandez out every fifth game if they don't score behind any of their starters. Ellsbury would give them an everyday bat at a key defensive position and they'd save $7M/yr or so in salary. I thought they both had the same number of years before free agency but Hernandez has one more so that's a factor in his favor.

If you use the search function, there's probably a post somewhere where I'm advocating trading Matt Cain for Alexis Rios, which is a stronger argument against me than anything you guys can up with.

 

[Daywalker]

Felix for Ellsbury and Bucholz would be more like it.