Mock supposing Leinart goes No.1 (1 Viewer)

[MLBrandow]

There is very little analysis here, but I just wanted to get a little feedback from anyone regarding some different picks. Saying "this is a stupid mock ur dumb" really isn't going to do any good, but if you disagree, I'd certainly like some reasoning.

I'm going to wait until after the combine (probably first or second week of march) to roll out a fancy mock, but this is just a quick shakedown IMO of what might happen. Plus I don't like projecting trades really... but this one was worth exploring to me. If anyone particularly likes the picks better from #2 or #1, I'd like to know. I understand there's a natural disadvantage due to the lack of commentary/defended reasoning, but just ask and I'll explain. Didn't feel the need to regurgitate explanations on picks that I didn't feel really needed to be explained and/or were picks from previous mock(s).

Link to 2nd Mock

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1. *TEN Matt Leinart

projected trade for Leinart.

2. NO Reggie Bush

Bush and McAllister can co-exist behind a very good line, can solve QB through FA, draft next year if need be.

3. *HOU D'Brickashaw Ferguson

they need him, nuff said.

4. NYJ DeAngelo Williams

5. GB AJ Hawk

6. OAK Mario Williams

they pass on Young because they have Andrew Walter? Not sure...

7. SF Michael Huff

8. BUF Winston Justice

realize they need LT to win.

9. DET Vince Young

could swap picks with Denny Green definitely, but he never trades up for anything, so who knows.

10. ARI Chad Greenway

WLB + 2nd round OT will be better than OT + 2nd round WLB

11. STL Jimmy Williams

12. CLE Haloti Ngata

perfect for Crennell System

13. BAL Marcus McNeill

prototype BAL lineman, same measurables as Ogden, starts at ORT, moves to OLT after Ogden retires

14. PHI Bobby Carpenter

Jim Johnson's knack for blitzing + Carpenter's love for blitzing.... perfect pick.

15. ATL Vernon Davis

Call me crazy, but ATL needs more receiving targets, and not just receiving targets, but VICK-type receiving targets. In most offenses, there's no room for two big-play TEs. Here there'd be more than enough.

16. MIA Manny Lawson

Lawson, Thomas, Crowder, Taylor. OUCH!!

17. MIN LenDale White

18. DAL DeMeco Ryans

replaces Nguyen should he retire, and if not still starts at one of the ILB spots.

19. SD Jonathan Scott

reach, but SD never afraid of that, certainly a need.

20. KC Brodrick Bunkley

impact DT that KC needs

21. NE D'Qwell Jackson

trying to predict NE is a lost cause.... jackson seems to fit that NE mold.

22. DEN Tamba Hali

Their DL sucks.

23. TB Sinorice Moss

replaces Galloway. Tackle not as big a need as people suggest.

24. CIN Gabe Watson

25. NYG Tye Hill

26. CHI Leonard Pope

presuming they land Randel El, they'd pass on Holmes IMO.

27. CAR Santonio Holmes

finally a compliment to Steve Smith. Keary Colbert makes a dangerous No.3

28. JAX Ashton Youboty

29. DEN Chad Jackson

need a WR, but DL still sucks. Could be Kiwanuka here.... would DEN take 2 DE's? Maybe Wroten.

30. IND Ernie Sims

replaces Thornton departing via FA. Best SSLB in the draft IMO.... depth for WLB too if June goes down.

31. SEA Ko Simpson

would pencil Sims here if he made it. If not, Safety biggest need.

32. PIT Claude Wroten

would do for PIT what Spears is in DAL.

 

[Sinrman]

I'm just not seeing it. Though I agree that Houston needs to do something else other than going for a RB, I don't think they will. I agree that they MUST grab a top OL. So badly, in fact, that I think they have some decent weapons on offense already, but the missing piece was always a good offensive line that could actually protect the QB. Carr rarely gets a chance to pass the ball. D Davis has done admirable behind that craptastic line, but imagine what he could do with some top OL?

 

[coolnerd]

The biggest concern with the top of the draft is that Titans/Texans divisional trade. I am not so sure that either party is that willing to help the other get the exact player that the other wants/needs. As a Houston fan I would not move the pick to the Titans except if it is an extreme overpay. Knowing the Titans pretty well, they really don't have the depth to trade away multiple picks to move up in this manner.

FWIW, the underground rumor mill is stating the Titans don't like Leinert, even if he falls to them at 3.

 

[SoloMatisse]

Dude, I absolutely love your effort and analysis. Dont nessecarily agree with alot of it, but nicely done. I love how you have a shakeup at the top with TN moving in to get Leinart. I can see something like that happening with TN or the Jets or even AZ or GB. Alot of teams could make this play, and imo, Houston would be nuts to take Bush and not address their other issues, which I personally feel are clearly OLine and QB. Im not a big Carr backer at all. But they'd need to start with line and work from there, so theyd probably deal with Carr another year and see if he can get it done. I dont see Vince Young sliding to 9...he's definitely going top 4 imo, if not earlier. Deangelo Williams at 4 and White @17 are a little too much seperation for 2 backs that will both be solid in the pros. I dont see Williams going that high, and I dont see White going that low. They'll fall somewhere between 7-14, imo. AJ Hawk @ 5? Dont like it. LBs dont typically go that early, and often when they do they become knucklehead types like Lavar Arrington. I think Ray Lewis and Urlacher went early, and they were exceptions. Very rare. Backers are the most undervalued players in a draft, and the relative depth is usually there, but why would a team take Hawk early like that when they can steal a player like Zach Thomas or Ted Bruschi or Tatutupu later to fill a role.....with value? Hawk should go somewhere between 8 and 15. After what I saw of Chad Jackson yesterday, I dont see anyway 27 teams(or slots) pass him by. That guy's going to be good. Denver would love to have him at 28, but I dont see that happening. He's ready to go now! The smaller WRs will take 3 or 4 years to figure out how to play with the big boys. Im a NE fan, so Im interested in who theyre looking at, but like you have no clue. I know theyve gone Dline and DB alot in recent years, and have taken linemen pretty early also. I think theyre due to bring in an offensive skill player at this point to compliement Branch and their TEs, and considering Givens may walk and Brown is pretty long in the tooth, and they dont have much else imo, Im optimistic theyd take a WR with their slot.....personally I hope it's Jackson, though I really dont know enough about him to say that would be a smart pick, but he or Moss or Holmes would probably guys they could well utilize. Brady needs more weapons. But great job overall. I dont follow these players as closely as you, but I appreciate the depth and time youve put into this thing.

 

[Chaos Commish]

What does Houston get for moving down, and more importantly what does Tennessee give up??

I don't see a reason for Tennessee to sacrifice diddly for Leinart. If you had them moving up for Bush, this would be more interesting to me. You have Young falling, so the presumption is that Leinart's final grade is substantially higher than Young's. I don't see it, but you're not the only suggesting it. I'm 90% sure that's wrong. Young goes in the first three picks.

I do like Cutler out of round one (and I'm a Cutler apologist). I think he will slip through the first ten (oak, az, det), and then it's just a matter of Miami going a different direction and free falls to the beginning of round 2.

 

[Getinthemix]

Dude, I absolutely love your effort and analysis. Dont nessecarily agree with alot of it, but nicely done. I love how you have a shakeup at the top with TN moving in to get Leinart. I can see something like that happening with TN or the Jets or even AZ or GB. Alot of teams could make this play, and imo, Houston would be nuts to take Bush and not address their other issues, which I personally feel are clearly OLine and QB. Im not a big Carr backer at all. But they'd need to start with line and work from there, so theyd probably deal with Carr another year and see if he can get it done. I dont see Vince Young sliding to 9...he's definitely going top 4 imo, if not earlier. Deangelo Williams at 4 and White @17 are a little too much seperation for 2 backs that will both be solid in the pros. I dont see Williams going that high, and I dont see White going that low. They'll fall somewhere between 7-14, imo. AJ Hawk @ 5? Dont like it. LBs dont typically go that early, and often when they do they become knucklehead types like Lavar Arrington. I think Ray Lewis and Urlacher went early, and they were exceptions. Very rare. Backers are the most undervalued players in a draft, and the relative depth is usually there, but why would a team take Hawk early like that when they can steal a player like Zach Thomas or Ted Bruschi or Tatutupu later to fill a role.....with value? Hawk should go somewhere between 8 and 15. After what I saw of Chad Jackson yesterday, I dont see anyway 27 teams(or slots) pass him by. That guy's going to be good. Denver would love to have him at 28, but I dont see that happening. He's ready to go now! The smaller WRs will take 3 or 4 years to figure out how to play with the big boys. Im a NE fan, so Im interested in who theyre looking at, but like you have no clue. I know theyve gone Dline and DB alot in recent years, and have taken linemen pretty early also. I think theyre due to bring in an offensive skill player at this point to compliement Branch and their TEs, and considering Givens may walk and Brown is pretty long in the tooth, and they dont have much else imo, Im optimistic theyd take a WR with their slot.....personally I hope it's Jackson, though I really dont know enough about him to say that would be a smart pick, but he or Moss or Holmes would probably guys they could well utilize. Brady needs more weapons. But great job overall. I dont follow these players as closely as you, but I appreciate the depth and time youve put into this thing.

Ray Lewis went 26

 

[Spike]

I agree that it would be a wise move for the Texans to trade down from 1 to 3 to get the stud O-lineman - if this wasn't such a good year for O-linemen.

That's the only reason I feel the Texans don't move down and DO take Reggie Bush - that they can get a high quality O-lineman (O'Callaghan?) in the second round.

 

[Bojang0301]

To me the hiring of Sean Peyton would negate the Saints taking Bush. They have ben very very quiet about what they are going to do. Now I am sure when the draft roles around we will know more but Peyton has done some good things with average NFL QB's and is somewhat noted for grooming QB's. I think that it would be natural to go in this direction. Duece is a top back in the league and the Saints have a good set of WRs. Leinhart would fit right in in the case of someone taking him at no.1 I am not sure what I think would happen but the Saints would have a good set up for any young QB to come in and be groomed under.

 

[SoloMatisse]

Dude, I absolutely love your effort and analysis.  Dont nessecarily agree with alot of it, but nicely done.  I love how you have a shakeup at the top with TN moving in to get Leinart.  I can see something like that happening with TN or the Jets or even AZ or GB.  Alot of teams could make this play, and imo, Houston would be nuts to take Bush and not address their other issues, which I personally feel are clearly OLine and QB.  Im not a big Carr backer at all.  But they'd need to start with line and work from there, so theyd probably deal with Carr another year and see if he can get it done.  I dont see Vince Young sliding to 9...he's definitely going top 4 imo, if not earlier.  Deangelo Williams at 4 and White @17 are a little too much seperation for 2 backs that will both be solid in the pros.  I dont see Williams going that high, and I dont see White going that low.  They'll fall somewhere between 7-14, imo.  AJ Hawk @ 5?  Dont like it.  LBs dont typically go that early, and often when they do they become knucklehead types like Lavar Arrington.  I think Ray Lewis and Urlacher went early, and they were exceptions.  Very rare.  Backers are the most undervalued players in a draft, and the relative depth is usually there, but why would a team take Hawk early like that when they can steal a player like Zach Thomas or Ted Bruschi or Tatutupu later to fill a role.....with value?  Hawk should go somewhere between 8 and 15.  After what I saw of Chad Jackson yesterday, I dont see anyway 27 teams(or slots) pass him by.  That guy's going to be good.  Denver would love to have him at 28, but I dont see that happening.  He's ready to go now!  The smaller WRs will take 3 or 4 years to figure out how to play with the big boys.  Im a NE fan, so Im interested in who theyre looking at, but like you have no clue.  I know theyve gone Dline and DB alot in recent years, and have taken linemen pretty early also.  I think theyre due to bring in an offensive skill player at this point to compliement Branch and their TEs, and considering Givens may walk and Brown is pretty long in the tooth, and they dont have much else imo,  Im optimistic theyd take a WR with their slot.....personally I hope it's Jackson, though I really dont know enough about him to say that would be a smart pick, but he or Moss or Holmes would probably guys they could well utilize.  Brady needs more weapons.  But great job overall.  I dont follow these players as closely as you, but I appreciate the depth and time youve put into this thing.

Ray Lewis went 26

Good info. I did not know that, and it just shows that if you can get a guy of Lewis' production at 26, why take a LB at 5? Thanks for the insight.

 

[MLBrandow]

The biggest concern with the top of the draft  is that  Titans/Texans divisional trade.  I am not so sure that either party is that willing to help the other get the exact player that the other wants/needs.  As a Houston fan I would not move the pick to the Titans except if it is an extreme  overpay.  Knowing the Titans pretty well, they really don't have the depth to trade away multiple picks to move up in this manner. 

FWIW, the underground rumor mill is stating the Titans don't like  Leinert, even if he falls to them at 3.

See, this is what I don't buy at all. The "underground rumor mill"..... don't you think it's a bit odd that when Chow was at USC, Leinart was like the second coming of jesus, and now suddenly, they are "ehh.. I think we'll pass..."The whole divisional trade thing is really the only part bothering me. Honestly, if you're Norm Chow, how can you not want this guy? And giving up a 1st and a 2nd and maybe Travis Henry to get him? Who cares... just like with Eli a year removed or Vick a few years before that... if you see a guy as being a franchise-changer, you go after him, because all the mediocre players in the world aren't worth a great one.

I think the Titans do trade up, and they give an arm and a leg for Leinart. And I think they get him.

Know what would be really valuable right now.... a Titans fan to be able to give a bit of draft history for them in terms of trades. I'd be interested to read that.

What does Houston get for moving down, and more importantly what does Tennessee give up?? 

I don't see a reason for Tennessee to sacrifice diddly for Leinart.  If you had them moving up for Bush, this would be more interesting to me.  You have Young falling, so the presumption is that Leinart's final grade is substantially higher than Young's.  I don't see it, but you're not the only suggesting it.  I'm 90% sure that's wrong.  Young goes in the first three picks.

I do like Cutler out of round one (and I'm a Cutler apologist).  I think he will slip through the first ten (oak, az, det), and then it's just a matter of Miami going a different direction and free falls to the beginning of round 2.

See, that's the thing. Look at the teams picking in the top 10.HOU - has their QB

NO - needs QB

TEN - needs QB

NYJ - needs a QB to start this year (probably a FA IMO)

GB - has their QB

OAK - said to really like Andrew Walter

SF - has their QB

BUF - too early to call Losman a bust.

DET - can call Harrington a bust, needs QB.

ARI - needs QB

So, if only one QB goes in the top 3, the next team that would even draft one isn't until 9.

Just like last year, you're going to see one of the "top QBs" fall a long way. How many people thought Aaron Rodgers would fall to GB? Now, I'm not saying that will happen, because it won't and Young/Leinart are much better than A.Smith/Rodgers, but that said, it wouldn't surprise me to see Young fall to the bottom of the top 10.

Say Young's rose bowl performance wasn't the "greatest performance of all time" but was simply "average Young performance." We'd still be talking about Young as a top 10-15 pick, at least I think so.

I agree that it would be a wise move for the Texans to trade down from 1 to 3 to get the stud O-lineman - if this wasn't such a good year for O-linemen.

That's the only reason I feel the Texans don't move down and DO take Reggie Bush - that they can get a high quality O-lineman (O'Callaghan?) in the second round.

That's the conundrum. The Texans can leave it up to chance that they can get a franchise tackle in the second round. But they've been gambling for the last four years. What if 5 or 6 tackles go in the first round? Then you end up getting a guy that won't be an opening day starter, and if he is, will struggle a lot (not that the others won't), and you end up leaving more to chance.Can this team really afford to gamble their franchise on the hope that one of these guys is there? I don't think so.

 

[Spartans Rule]

DET - can call Harrington a bust, needs QB.

Martz and Marinelli have both praised Harrington and stated their intent to keep him around.I'm sure they will bring in another QB to compete, but probably a veteran. The Lions aren't stripping down and starting from scratch. The defense was good last year and there's talent on offense. Millen can't afford another rebuilding phase. He needs to win now. If Harrington continues to struggle in the new system, they have to have a vet ready to take over and save the season.

So I can't see them drafting and developing a QB. And if they do, I doubt it would be Young, who I don't think would fit Martz's offense.

 

[MLBrandow]

I suppose..... at the worst, he's money to Arizona at 10.

 

[nathanbalboa]

Have I missed a report that Tennesse wants to move up to #1 and Houston is willing to pass up on Bush? I can't find anything.

I will say if this is pure speculation, it's utterly ridiculous to be talking about. Even if there are rumors, there is no way this will happen.

This move doesn't make sense for either team. Houston would be crazy to pass up on Bush's talent and they aren't crazy. Tennesse would be nuts to give up a ransom to get Leinart, when they could stay where they are and maybe still get Leinart...or get Young as a worst case scenario.

 

[coolnerd]

The biggest concern with the top of the draft  is that  Titans/Texans divisional trade.  I am not so sure that either party is that willing to help the other get the exact player that the other wants/needs.  As a Houston fan I would not move the pick to the Titans except if it is an extreme  overpay.  Knowing the Titans pretty well, they really don't have the depth to trade away multiple picks to move up in this manner. 

FWIW, the underground rumor mill is stating the Titans don't like  Leinert, even if he falls to them at 3.

See, this is what I don't buy at all. The "underground rumor mill"..... don't you think it's a bit odd that when Chow was at USC, Leinart was like the second coming of jesus, and now suddenly, they are "ehh.. I think we'll pass..."The whole divisional trade thing is really the only part bothering me. Honestly, if you're Norm Chow, how can you not want this guy? And giving up a 1st and a 2nd and maybe Travis Henry to get him? Who cares... just like with Eli a year removed or Vick a few years before that... if you see a guy as being a franchise-changer, you go after him, because all the mediocre players in the world aren't worth a great one.

I think the Titans do trade up, and they give an arm and a leg for Leinart. And I think they get him.

Know what would be really valuable right now.... a Titans fan to be able to give a bit of draft history for them in terms of trades. I'd be interested to read that.

What does Houston get for moving down, and more importantly what does Tennessee give up?? 

I don't see a reason for Tennessee to sacrifice diddly for Leinart.  If you had them moving up for Bush, this would be more interesting to me.  You have Young falling, so the presumption is that Leinart's final grade is substantially higher than Young's.  I don't see it, but you're not the only suggesting it.  I'm 90% sure that's wrong.  Young goes in the first three picks.

I do like Cutler out of round one (and I'm a Cutler apologist).  I think he will slip through the first ten (oak, az, det), and then it's just a matter of Miami going a different direction and free falls to the beginning of round 2.

See, that's the thing. Look at the teams picking in the top 10.HOU - has their QB

NO - needs QB

TEN - needs QB

NYJ - needs a QB to start this year (probably a FA IMO)

GB - has their QB

OAK - said to really like Andrew Walter

SF - has their QB

BUF - too early to call Losman a bust.

DET - can call Harrington a bust, needs QB.

ARI - needs QB

So, if only one QB goes in the top 3, the next team that would even draft one isn't until 9.

Just like last year, you're going to see one of the "top QBs" fall a long way. How many people thought Aaron Rodgers would fall to GB? Now, I'm not saying that will happen, because it won't and Young/Leinart are much better than A.Smith/Rodgers, but that said, it wouldn't surprise me to see Young fall to the bottom of the top 10.

Say Young's rose bowl performance wasn't the "greatest performance of all time" but was simply "average Young performance." We'd still be talking about Young as a top 10-15 pick, at least I think so.

I agree that it would be a wise move for the Texans to trade down from 1 to 3 to get the stud O-lineman - if this wasn't such a good year for O-linemen.

That's the only reason I feel the Texans don't move down and DO take Reggie Bush - that they can get a high quality O-lineman (O'Callaghan?) in the second round.

That's the conundrum. The Texans can leave it up to chance that they can get a franchise tackle in the second round. But they've been gambling for the last four years. What if 5 or 6 tackles go in the first round? Then you end up getting a guy that won't be an opening day starter, and if he is, will struggle a lot (not that the others won't), and you end up leaving more to chance.Can this team really afford to gamble their franchise on the hope that one of these guys is there? I don't think so.

The Chow thing works both ways. Do we really know what Norm Chow really thinks of Leinert? Because he used to work with him @ USC may only mean that he already knows that he wants no part of Leinert. Even if Leinert is all that, I am not going be the GM to several players to division rivals when I am already in position to get a quality player.

 

[Sopranos]

Why is TB replacing Galloway...He is still their #1. They need a #2 yes.Clayton may not start this season from what i have heard..

 

[diesel7982]

Sigh.

1) Of the top 3 QBs, the Titans seem to have the least interest in Leinart.

2) The Titans certainly don't have the ammunition to be able to trade up to the #1 pick, and CERTIANLY dont have any reason to.

Are you saying Leinart is worth more to the Titans than Vince Young, a 2nd rounder and a 1st rounder next year at minimum?

3) If for some reason Bush didnt go #1, NO would not be able to trade down fast enough.

4) Quit trying to find ways for the Texans to draft D'Brick.

5) Vince Young in a Mike Martz offense? Now we're just getting silly.

6) Marcus McNeil at #13? Have the Ravens given up on Adam Terry so much so that they're going to reach this horribly for McNeil?

And there are some other silly ones not really worth addressing.

 

[diesel7982]

Have I missed a report that Tennesse wants to move up to #1 and Houston is willing to pass up on Bush? I can't find anything.

I will say if this is pure speculation, it's utterly ridiculous to be talking about. Even if there are rumors, there is no way this will happen.

This move doesn't make sense for either team. Houston would be crazy to pass up on Bush's talent and they aren't crazy. Tennesse would be nuts to give up a ransom to get Leinart, when they could stay where they are and maybe still get Leinart...or get Young as a worst case scenario.

If TEN for some reason moves up to #1, its for Bush. Less than 1% chance that happens.

 

[MLBrandow]

Why is TB replacing Galloway...He is still their #1. They need a #2 yes.Clayton may not start this season from what i have heard..

That's a fabricated lie. Clayton played injured all of last year. He bummed his shoulder from throwing huge ### blocks for Cadillac Williams. Read the post in Mock #2. They would jump all over Moss if he was there at #23.I'm a diehard Bucs fan, and that's what I see happening at this point in time.

Revising the draft already, I see Young going to the Jets at 4 if this happened.... now that it looks like Pennington will definitely be released (I didn't think he would reject the pay cut).

 

[Sinrman]

Dude, I absolutely love your effort and analysis.  Dont nessecarily agree with alot of it, but nicely done.  I love how you have a shakeup at the top with TN moving in to get Leinart.  I can see something like that happening with TN or the Jets or even AZ or GB.  Alot of teams could make this play, and imo, Houston would be nuts to take Bush and not address their other issues, which I personally feel are clearly OLine and QB.  Im not a big Carr backer at all.  But they'd need to start with line and work from there, so theyd probably deal with Carr another year and see if he can get it done.  I dont see Vince Young sliding to 9...he's definitely going top 4 imo, if not earlier.  Deangelo Williams at 4 and White @17 are a little too much seperation for 2 backs that will both be solid in the pros.  I dont see Williams going that high, and I dont see White going that low.  They'll fall somewhere between 7-14, imo.  AJ Hawk @ 5?  Dont like it.  LBs dont typically go that early, and often when they do they become knucklehead types like Lavar Arrington.  I think Ray Lewis and Urlacher went early, and they were exceptions.  Very rare.  Backers are the most undervalued players in a draft, and the relative depth is usually there, but why would a team take Hawk early like that when they can steal a player like Zach Thomas or Ted Bruschi or Tatutupu later to fill a role.....with value?  Hawk should go somewhere between 8 and 15.  After what I saw of Chad Jackson yesterday, I dont see anyway 27 teams(or slots) pass him by.  That guy's going to be good.  Denver would love to have him at 28, but I dont see that happening.  He's ready to go now!  The smaller WRs will take 3 or 4 years to figure out how to play with the big boys.  Im a NE fan, so Im interested in who theyre looking at, but like you have no clue.  I know theyve gone Dline and DB alot in recent years, and have taken linemen pretty early also.  I think theyre due to bring in an offensive skill player at this point to compliement Branch and their TEs, and considering Givens may walk and Brown is pretty long in the tooth, and they dont have much else imo,  Im optimistic theyd take a WR with their slot.....personally I hope it's Jackson, though I really dont know enough about him to say that would be a smart pick, but he or Moss or Holmes would probably guys they could well utilize.  Brady needs more weapons.  But great job overall.  I dont follow these players as closely as you, but I appreciate the depth and time youve put into this thing.

Ray Lewis went 26

Man, looking back at that, that's two of the best 1st round picks that I've ever seen. Ogden and Lewis in the first round? Very nice...

 

[MLBrandow]

I hate looking back on those drafts. McKay really had some ####ty drafting.

 

[Texasmouth]

Probably the most interesting mock I have read this off season. I can't say I agree with more than about 10% of it, but hey, good effort, way to look outside of the box.

 

[psychobillies]

Sigh.

1) Of the top 3 QBs, the Titans seem to have the least interest in Leinart.

2) The Titans certainly don't have the ammunition to be able to trade up to the #1 pick, and CERTIANLY dont have any reason to.

Are you saying Leinart is worth more to the Titans than Vince Young, a 2nd rounder and a 1st rounder next year at minimum?

3) If for some reason Bush didnt go #1, NO would not be able to trade down fast enough.

4) Quit trying to find ways for the Texans to draft D'Brick.

5) Vince Young in a Mike Martz offense? Now we're just getting silly.

6) Marcus McNeil at #13? Have the Ravens given up on Adam Terry so much so that they're going to reach this horribly for McNeil?

And there are some other silly ones not really worth addressing.

I agree with point #3. If Leinart is gone, the Saints will take anything to move back a few spots and grab either Brick, Young, or Hawk. All three of them would help the team more than another RB. It wouldn't suprise me in the least if they just picked one of them outright at #2.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Why is TB replacing Galloway...He is still their #1. They need a #2 yes.Clayton may not start this season from what i have heard..

SOpranos, what do you mean may not start due to injury, or are you suggesting that he will get benched?

 

[cstu]

19. SD Jonathan Scottreach, but SD never afraid of that, certainly a need.

Really good pick here. Everyone is hung up on a safety, but to get a very good LT with the #19 pick would be excellent. Ko Simpson is a play-maker and a decent pick, but I think he's a big drop off from Huff and I'd prefer to see the Chargers take a safety in the 2nd or 3rd. The Chargers 1st round pick should be Scott or McNeill.

 

[Bri]

USAToday has the Cards considerring Lendale White on their team page and Pitzer has em looking hard at Memphis' Williams.

 

[BassNBrew]

27. CAR Santonio Holmes

finally a compliment to Steve Smith. Keary Colbert makes a dangerous No.3



Heard of Drew Carter?

 

[diesel7982]

19. SD Jonathan Scott

reach, but SD never afraid of that, certainly a need.

Really good pick here. Everyone is hung up on a safety, but to get a very good LT with the #19 pick would be excellent. Ko Simpson is a play-maker and a decent pick, but I think he's a big drop off from Huff and I'd prefer to see the Chargers take a safety in the 2nd or 3rd. The Chargers 1st round pick should be Scott or McNeill.

If Scott was a very good LT, he wouldnt last til pick 19. Hes projected to be a RT in the NFL, and thats arguably a position of greater need for SD assuming Oben is healthy. Olivea needs to be moved inside.

 

[Bri]

27. CAR Santonio Holmes

finally a compliment to Steve Smith. Keary Colbert makes a dangerous No.3



Heard of Drew Carter?

is he ready for fulltime #2 job?

 

[trader jake]

Sigh.

1) Of the top 3 QBs, the Titans seem to have the least interest in Leinart.

2) The Titans certainly don't have the ammunition to be able to trade up to the #1 pick, and CERTIANLY dont have any reason to.

Are you saying Leinart is worth more to the Titans than Vince Young, a 2nd rounder and a 1st rounder next year at minimum?

3) If for some reason Bush didnt go #1, NO would not be able to trade down fast enough.

4) Quit trying to find ways for the Texans to draft D'Brick.

5) Vince Young in a Mike Martz offense? Now we're just getting silly.

6) Marcus McNeil at #13? Have the Ravens given up on Adam Terry so much so that they're going to reach this horribly for McNeil?

And there are some other silly ones not really worth addressing.

good post diesel...i'll disagree with the young/martz comment though. martz is a great ocoordinator and what he does exceedingly well is motion players, set formations, etc that place his players in the best possible positions to make big plays. would vince young be successful as a drop back pocket passer ala warner and bulger? probably not, but martz wouldn't ask him to do thatmike martz would put a talented qb like vince young in positions to succeed imo

 

[cstu]

19. SD Jonathan Scott

reach, but SD never afraid of that, certainly a need.

Really good pick here. Everyone is hung up on a safety, but to get a very good LT with the #19 pick would be excellent. Ko Simpson is a play-maker and a decent pick, but I think he's a big drop off from Huff and I'd prefer to see the Chargers take a safety in the 2nd or 3rd. The Chargers 1st round pick should be Scott or McNeill.

If Scott was a very good LT, he wouldnt last til pick 19. Hes projected to be a RT in the NFL, and thats arguably a position of greater need for SD assuming Oben is healthy. Olivea needs to be moved inside.

You think that 4 LT's will be taken in the top 18? My feeling is that the Chargers would be very happy with Justice, Scott or McNeill if one falls to them. Regarding Scott, it depends on what you consider a "very good" LT. While he likely wouldn't be dominant, he's capable of doing the job. Even if he starts out at RT, having a guy capable of filling in for Oben is very important.

 

[Challenge Everything]

If the Packers take anything other than RB in the 1st I would partially be disappointed. I would feel much better about drafting Def if Bates was still here though. With no RB in place drafting one at #5 or in the 2nd would solidify that position. Barnett in the middle is not a bad place for him to be. The most need though is on the D-Line and anyone who says otherwise has not watched the Packers lately. They need to address D-Line and RB in the draft.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Sigh.

1)  Of the top 3 QBs, the Titans seem to have the least interest in Leinart.

2) The Titans certainly don't have the ammunition to be able to trade up to the #1 pick, and CERTIANLY dont have any reason to.

Are you saying Leinart is worth more to the Titans than Vince Young, a 2nd rounder and a 1st rounder next year at minimum?

3) If for some reason Bush didnt go #1, NO would not be able to trade down fast enough.

4) Quit trying to find ways for the Texans to draft D'Brick.

5) Vince Young in a Mike Martz offense?  Now we're just getting silly. 

6) Marcus McNeil at #13?  Have the Ravens given up on Adam Terry so much so that they're going to reach this horribly for McNeil?

And there are some other silly ones not really worth addressing.

good post diesel...i'll disagree with the young/martz comment though. martz is a great ocoordinator and what he does exceedingly well is motion players, set formations, etc that place his players in the best possible positions to make big plays. would vince young be successful as a drop back pocket passer ala warner and bulger? probably not, but martz wouldn't ask him to do thatmike martz would put a talented qb like vince young in positions to succeed imo

I agree in the sense that if Martz were to coach Vince Young, he would find a way to take advantage of his talents.However, he's still not a natural fit with Martz and his philosophy, or a player the Lions would likely choose to build around.

 

[Sopranos]

Why is TB replacing Galloway...He is still their #1. They need a #2 yes.Clayton may not start this season from what i have heard..

SOpranos, what do you mean may not start due to injury, or are you suggesting that he will get benched?

They are trying to bring in a Vet. WR to push Clayton. They were not happy with his production even with the injuries. He will have to earn the spot.

 

[Kirby]

31. SEA Ko Simpson

would pencil Sims here if he made it. If not, Safety biggest need.

Is that really their biggest need? Hamlin will be back, Manuel filled in really well for him, and Bouleware is still learning the position.

 

[MLBrandow]

31. SEA Ko Simpson

would pencil Sims here if he made it.  If not, Safety biggest need.

Is that really their biggest need? Hamlin will be back, Manuel filled in really well for him, and Bouleware is still learning the position.

No it's not... talked to a hawks fan who convinced me if it shook down like that, they'd likely take kiwanuka or howard.... I think I buy that.Anyone here this stuff about the Jets targeting Cutler in the draft, no matter who is there?

 

[Foosball God]

DET - can call Harrington a bust, needs QB.

Martz and Marinelli have both praised Harrington and stated their intent to keep him around.I'm sure they will bring in another QB to compete, but probably a veteran. The Lions aren't stripping down and starting from scratch. The defense was good last year and there's talent on offense. Millen can't afford another rebuilding phase. He needs to win now. If Harrington continues to struggle in the new system, they have to have a vet ready to take over and save the season.

So I can't see them drafting and developing a QB. And if they do, I doubt it would be Young, who I don't think would fit Martz's offense.

This is coach speak IMO. There is no way they've had time to properly evaluate Harrington yet. Plus if Harrington doesn't agree to restructure his contract he's a major cash investment next year.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

There is very little analysis here, but I just wanted to get a little feedback from anyone regarding some different picks. Saying "this is a stupid mock ur dumb" really isn't going to do any good, but if you disagree, I'd certainly like some reasoning.

I'm going to wait until after the combine (probably first or second week of march) to roll out a fancy mock, but this is just a quick shakedown IMO of what might happen. Plus I don't like projecting trades really... but this one was worth exploring to me. If anyone particularly likes the picks better from #2 or #1, I'd like to know. I understand there's a natural disadvantage due to the lack of commentary/defended reasoning, but just ask and I'll explain. Didn't feel the need to regurgitate explanations on picks that I didn't feel really needed to be explained and/or were picks from previous mock(s).

Link to 2nd Mock

Link to 1st Mock

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1. *TEN Matt Leinart

projected trade for Leinart.

2. NO Reggie Bush

Bush and McAllister can co-exist behind a very good line, can solve QB through FA, draft next year if need be.

3. *HOU D'Brickashaw Ferguson

they need him, nuff said.

4. NYJ DeAngelo Williams

5. GB AJ Hawk

6. OAK Mario Williams

they pass on Young because they have Andrew Walter? Not sure...

7. SF Michael Huff

8. BUF Winston Justice

realize they need LT to win.

9. DET Vince Young

could swap picks with Denny Green definitely, but he never trades up for anything, so who knows.

10. ARI Chad Greenway

WLB + 2nd round OT will be better than OT + 2nd round WLB

11. STL Jimmy Williams

12. CLE Haloti Ngata

perfect for Crennell System

13. BAL Marcus McNeill

prototype BAL lineman, same measurables as Ogden, starts at ORT, moves to OLT after Ogden retires

14. PHI Bobby Carpenter

Jim Johnson's knack for blitzing + Carpenter's love for blitzing.... perfect pick.

15. ATL Vernon Davis

Call me crazy, but ATL needs more receiving targets, and not just receiving targets, but VICK-type receiving targets. In most offenses, there's no room for two big-play TEs. Here there'd be more than enough.

16. MIA Manny Lawson

Lawson, Thomas, Crowder, Taylor. OUCH!!

17. MIN LenDale White

18. DAL DeMeco Ryans

replaces Nguyen should he retire, and if not still starts at one of the ILB spots.

19. SD Jonathan Scott

reach, but SD never afraid of that, certainly a need.

20. KC Brodrick Bunkley

impact DT that KC needs

21. NE D'Qwell Jackson

trying to predict NE is a lost cause.... jackson seems to fit that NE mold.

22. DEN Tamba Hali

Their DL sucks.

23. TB Sinorice Moss

replaces Galloway. Tackle not as big a need as people suggest.

24. CIN Gabe Watson

25. NYG Tye Hill

26. CHI Leonard Pope

presuming they land Randel El, they'd pass on Holmes IMO.

27. CAR Santonio Holmes

finally a compliment to Steve Smith. Keary Colbert makes a dangerous No.3

28. JAX Ashton Youboty

29. DEN Chad Jackson

need a WR, but DL still sucks. Could be Kiwanuka here.... would DEN take 2 DE's? Maybe Wroten.

30. IND Ernie Sims

replaces Thornton departing via FA. Best SSLB in the draft IMO.... depth for WLB too if June goes down.

31. SEA Ko Simpson

would pencil Sims here if he made it. If not, Safety biggest need.

32. PIT Claude Wroten

would do for PIT what Spears is in DAL.

I can't roll with this mock. So many problems here.#1 - Doubt Tennessee would trade up for Leinart when they can sit at #3 and get Young.

#2 - No way the Jets take DeAngelo Williams #4

#3 - Haloti Ngata will be a top 10 pick, probably top 8.

#4 - I doubt Bobby Carpenter goes before Demeco Ryans

#5 - No way on Earth the Steelers draft Wroten with his marijuana charges. Not in any round.

#6 - Atlanta drafting Vernon Davis in round 1 with Crumpler in the fold would be insane.

#7 - I doubt severely that Hali lasts until the bottom third of the round

#8 - 7 LBs in round 1 seems a bit high

It's not terrible, but has too many holes, IMO

 

[Kleck.]

If the Packers take anything other than RB in the 1st I would partially be disappointed. I would feel much better about drafting Def if Bates was still here though. With no RB in place drafting one at #5 or in the 2nd would solidify that position. Barnett in the middle is not a bad place for him to be. The most need though is on the D-Line and anyone who says otherwise has not watched the Packers lately. They need to address D-Line and RB in the draft.

I'd be a little disapointed if Green Bay did take a RB at #5. I'd rather see them fill that need elsewhere in the draft or via FA. I'd like to have DeAngelo or LenDale, but I don't see a potential star RB helping as much as a potential star DL or LB. Hawk would fill a need and IMO Barnett may be better suited if moved to the outside in order to use his speed more. I'm also really excited to see Poppinga when he gets healthy.

I'm not the biggest fan of Super Mario, but I am of his talent. If he played at his top level all the time I wouldn't think twice about him at #5. With Kampman and Grady both UFA's, Peterson a RFA, and Jenkins and Cole ERFA's, they better focus hard on DL during the draft and FA. I'd really like to see Green Bay acquire a couple of DE's so maybe KGB wouldn't have to play every down. If KGB could focus more on the passing downs that could really help get that QB pressure and sack totals back up.

Just my

 

[BassNBrew]

27. CAR Santonio Holmes

finally a compliment to Steve Smith. Keary Colbert makes a dangerous No.3



Heard of Drew Carter?

is he ready for fulltime #2 job?

Appearred to be in the playoffs when Colbert was demoted to WR4.

 

[Gatorman]

What happenned to Jay Cutler? No way he drops past Miami.

 

[MLBrandow]

Anyone else hear the stuff about Mangini and Co. wanting Jay Cutler at No.4, regardless of who else is there?

I guess I can believe it now that Pennington is a sure-fire cut.

 

[nygiants56]

There is very little analysis here, but I just wanted to get a little feedback from anyone regarding some different picks. Saying "this is a stupid mock ur dumb" really isn't going to do any good, but if you disagree, I'd certainly like some reasoning.

I'm going to wait until after the combine (probably first or second week of march) to roll out a fancy mock, but this is just a quick shakedown IMO of what might happen. Plus I don't like projecting trades really... but this one was worth exploring to me. If anyone particularly likes the picks better from #2 or #1, I'd like to know. I understand there's a natural disadvantage due to the lack of commentary/defended reasoning, but just ask and I'll explain. Didn't feel the need to regurgitate explanations on picks that I didn't feel really needed to be explained and/or were picks from previous mock(s).

Link to 2nd Mock

Link to 1st Mock

-----------

1. *TEN Matt Leinart

projected trade for Leinart.

2. NO Reggie Bush

Bush and McAllister can co-exist behind a very good line, can solve QB through FA, draft next year if need be.

3. *HOU D'Brickashaw Ferguson

they need him, nuff said.

4. NYJ DeAngelo Williams

5. GB AJ Hawk

6. OAK Mario Williams

they pass on Young because they have Andrew Walter? Not sure...

7. SF Michael Huff

8. BUF Winston Justice

realize they need LT to win.

9. DET Vince Young

could swap picks with Denny Green definitely, but he never trades up for anything, so who knows.

10. ARI Chad Greenway

WLB + 2nd round OT will be better than OT + 2nd round WLB

11. STL Jimmy Williams

12. CLE Haloti Ngata

perfect for Crennell System

13. BAL Marcus McNeill

prototype BAL lineman, same measurables as Ogden, starts at ORT, moves to OLT after Ogden retires

14. PHI Bobby Carpenter

Jim Johnson's knack for blitzing + Carpenter's love for blitzing.... perfect pick.

15. ATL Vernon Davis

Call me crazy, but ATL needs more receiving targets, and not just receiving targets, but VICK-type receiving targets. In most offenses, there's no room for two big-play TEs. Here there'd be more than enough.

16. MIA Manny Lawson

Lawson, Thomas, Crowder, Taylor. OUCH!!

17. MIN LenDale White

18. DAL DeMeco Ryans

replaces Nguyen should he retire, and if not still starts at one of the ILB spots.

19. SD Jonathan Scott

reach, but SD never afraid of that, certainly a need.

20. KC Brodrick Bunkley

impact DT that KC needs

21. NE D'Qwell Jackson

trying to predict NE is a lost cause.... jackson seems to fit that NE mold.

22. DEN Tamba Hali

Their DL sucks.

23. TB Sinorice Moss

replaces Galloway. Tackle not as big a need as people suggest.

24. CIN Gabe Watson

25. NYG Tye Hill

26. CHI Leonard Pope

presuming they land Randel El, they'd pass on Holmes IMO.

27. CAR Santonio Holmes

finally a compliment to Steve Smith. Keary Colbert makes a dangerous No.3

28. JAX Ashton Youboty

29. DEN Chad Jackson

need a WR, but DL still sucks. Could be Kiwanuka here.... would DEN take 2 DE's? Maybe Wroten.

30. IND Ernie Sims

replaces Thornton departing via FA. Best SSLB in the draft IMO.... depth for WLB too if June goes down.

31. SEA Ko Simpson

would pencil Sims here if he made it. If not, Safety biggest need.

32. PIT Claude Wroten

would do for PIT what Spears is in DAL.

Love the way you think! all this crap about Tenn going for Young is nonsense..they will definitely trade up for Bush or leinhart at #1, IMO...who cares about McNair being a 'father figure' to Young..McNair doesn't sign the checkbook or coach..Norm Chow and Fisher will definitely look to get a QB or a RB in this draft, preferrably one Chow is familiar with..

 

[MLBrandow]

Finally someone who thinks logically....

Can someone find me a quote by Chow or the Titans on Matt Leinart or Reggie Bush please? I'd like to read it.

Conversely, I'm sure you can find enough onYoung to make you sick.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Finally someone who thinks logically....

Can someone find me a quote by Chow or the Titans on Matt Leinart or Reggie Bush please?  I'd like to read it.

Conversely, I'm sure you can find enough onYoung to make you sick.

You're only thinking logically if you think Tennessee, who has very little ammo, is going to come up with a huge package to move up to #1, when they can address their needs at #3, spend less money on a rookie contract, and not have to move any of the players/picks they desperately need to return to competitiveness?

 

[psychobillies]

Finally someone who thinks logically....

Can someone find me a quote by Chow or the Titans on Matt Leinart or Reggie Bush please? I'd like to read it.

Conversely, I'm sure you can find enough onYoung to make you sick.

It's a good well thought out mock with some interesting possibilities, but I wouldn't call a trade for the #1 overall between two division rivals "logical". I think it's more logical that the Titans would trade picks with the Saints than the Texans.That would open up a bunch of scenarios

Houston- Bush/Brick

Tenn - Leinart/Young/Bush

N.O. - Leinart/Young

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Finally someone who thinks logically....

Can someone find me a quote by Chow or the Titans on Matt Leinart or Reggie Bush please?  I'd like to read it.

Conversely, I'm sure you can find enough onYoung to make you sick.

It's a good well thought out mock with some interesting possibilities, but I wouldn't call a trade for the #1 overall between two division rivals "logical". I think it's more logical that the Titans would trade picks with the Saints than the Texans.That would open up a bunch of scenarios

Houston- Bush/Brick

Tenn - Leinart/Young/Bush

N.O. - Leinart/Young

For those thinking "logically" - where is the impetus for Houston to trade down to #2 or #3? They've already decided to stick with Carr as their QB, so they're either going to draft Bush, or look outside the skill positions for a guy like Ferguson, Williams, or Hawk. The top 3 spots are earmarked for Bush, Leinart, and Young - whether to the teams currently in there, or teams willing to move up. that's where the inherent value of having one of those 3 picks lies.So, why would Houston take less to move down to #3, for instance, than they could get to move down to #4 and take the exact same player? Explain to me the logic of making the move from #1 to #3, particularly when, as someone pointed out, it's an intra-division trade...