Monday is Not Best Day for NCAA Football Championship (1 Viewer)

[Tom Servo]

I understand the point is sort of nuanced, but to be clear it has nothing to do in any way with a criticism of the ratings the game can pull on a Monday. As a matter of fact, holding all things equal (that the game is played around the NFL Divisionals), with the possible exception of the previous Thursday night, I assume most wholeheartedly agree that the Monday night time slot maximizes total NFL+NCAA ratings and, even more likely, maximizes non-sports ratings too (ie brings in the highest number of eyeballs for all TV programming across an entire week and, of course, minimizes opportunity cost).

The point here is that college football has grown so significantly over the past 20+ years that it should no longer bury itself in a timeslot that is derived primarily for the benefit of the TV partners; i.e. meant to maximize the total viewers of the networks spanning an entire week. The sport now has the ratings/clout to say to its partners that we will not bow to your preferred timeslot that buries us from a cultural-event standpoint; instead we want our game to be elevated as an the event that the whole country can look forward to every 2nd Saturday in January at 7pm EST (or some such wknd slot).

The next sport to do this will be the first. HTH

 

[Tango]

The point here is that college football has grown so significantly over the past 20+ years that it should no longer bury itself in a timeslot that is derived primarily for the benefit of the TV partners; i.e. meant to maximize the total viewers of the networks spanning an entire week.

The next sport to do this will be the first. HTH

Nah, a sport influencing the network choice and the day/time-slot has been done before and it comes with taking more (or less) money as a result of the sport's preferences.

The MLB playoffs and World Series is Exhibit A.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The point here is that college football has grown so significantly over the past 20+ years that it should no longer bury itself in a timeslot that is derived primarily for the benefit of the TV partners; i.e. meant to maximize the total viewers of the networks spanning an entire week.

The next sport to do this will be the first. HTH

Nah, a sport influencing the network choice and the day/time-slot has been done before and it comes with taking more (or less) money as a result of the sport's preferences.

The MLB playoffs and World Series is Exhibit A.

You've totally lost me here.

Are you saying that MLB doesn't schedule its games to maximize ratings? They've moved all possible games to evening slots in recent years for that very reason. And the TV appeal of the matchups absolutely drives the postseason schedule.

 

[Tango]

The point here is that college football has grown so significantly over the past 20+ years that it should no longer bury itself in a timeslot that is derived primarily for the benefit of the TV partners; i.e. meant to maximize the total viewers of the networks spanning an entire week.

The next sport to do this will be the first. HTH

Nah, a sport influencing the network choice and the day/time-slot has been done before and it comes with taking more (or less) money as a result of the sport's preferences.

The MLB playoffs and World Series is Exhibit A.

You've totally lost me here.

Are you saying that MLB doesn't schedule its games to maximize ratings? They've moved all possible games to evening slots in recent years for that very reason. And the TV appeal of the matchups absolutely drives the postseason schedule.

For instance, MLB could take a lot less money and reach vastly more eyeballs (ie achieve higher ratings) by not agreeing to be broadcast on FS1 as much as they are/were. Instead, MLB's ratings are lower in an effort to maximize revenue due to (in this case) a strategic investment by Fox/FS1.

The point is, contrary to a post above that claimed sports have absolutely no influence on these things, is that these sports leagues have significant influence and make a variety of choices in who/when/where they're broadcast. And we can surmise that college football's leverage in being able to influence such things has only increased as their ability to command an audience has increased.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The point here is that college football has grown so significantly over the past 20+ years that it should no longer bury itself in a timeslot that is derived primarily for the benefit of the TV partners; i.e. meant to maximize the total viewers of the networks spanning an entire week.

The next sport to do this will be the first. HTH

Nah, a sport influencing the network choice and the day/time-slot has been done before and it comes with taking more (or less) money as a result of the sport's preferences.

The MLB playoffs and World Series is Exhibit A.

You've totally lost me here.

Are you saying that MLB doesn't schedule its games to maximize ratings? They've moved all possible games to evening slots in recent years for that very reason. And the TV appeal of the matchups absolutely drives the postseason schedule.

For instance, MLB could take a lot less money and reach vastly more eyeballs (ie achieve higher ratings) by not agreeing to be broadcast on FS1 as much as they are/were. Instead, MLB's ratings are lower in an effort to maximize revenue due to (in this case) a strategic investment by Fox/FS1.

The point is, contrary to a post above that claimed sports have absolutely no influence on these things, is that these sports leagues have significant influence and make a variety of choices in who/when/where they're broadcast. And we can surmise that college football's leverage in being able to influence such things has only increased as their ability to command an audience has increased.

MLB sold to the highest bidder, just as every other sport does. They are then beholden to that bidder to schedule in a way that maximizes revenues. How does that translate to college football? The rights to the CFP were sold to ESPN and schedule as ESPN sees fix to maximize ratings within reason, just like MLB and every other sport.

Sorry, but I just don't follow your logic here at all, nor do I see how it has anything to do with scheduling on a Monday night, or what other options might possibly be better. What would you have the powers that be in college football do? Dictate the terms of broadcasts to bidders in way that reduces ratings and therefore deliberately reduce their own revenue? To what end? So you personally can avoid the inconvenience of staying up late on a Monday night even though a ton of people who do this for a living figured out that was the best time to maximize national viewership?

 

[Tango]

To what end? So you personally can avoid the inconvenience of staying up late on a Monday night even though a ton of people who do this for a living figured out that was the best time to maximize national viewership?

Ahh, the this-is-the-way-it's-always-been-done-argument. Good one. The reasons are because it will be more lucrative for the sport to elevate the event to a holiday on the sports calendar that is the centerpiece of a sports weekend.

I dont get it why you dont get that. Turn on the radio. Odds are it's being talked about right now. I just heard it 5 minutes ago...that doesnt make it right or wrong, but saying you "dont get it"? I dont buy that. Ive seen your other posts in the ACC forum, you're smarter than that.

 

[Tango]

The point here is that college football has grown so significantly over the past 20+ years that it should no longer bury itself in a timeslot that is derived primarily for the benefit of the TV partners; i.e. meant to maximize the total viewers of the networks spanning an entire week.

The next sport to do this will be the first. HTH

Nah, a sport influencing the network choice and the day/time-slot has been done before and it comes with taking more (or less) money as a result of the sport's preferences.

The MLB playoffs and World Series is Exhibit A.

You've totally lost me here.

Are you saying that MLB doesn't schedule its games to maximize ratings? They've moved all possible games to evening slots in recent years for that very reason. And the TV appeal of the matchups absolutely drives the postseason schedule.

For instance, MLB could take a lot less money and reach vastly more eyeballs (ie achieve higher ratings) by not agreeing to be broadcast on FS1 as much as they are/were. Instead, MLB's ratings are lower in an effort to maximize revenue due to (in this case) a strategic investment by Fox/FS1.

The point is, contrary to a post above that claimed sports have absolutely no influence on these things, is that these sports leagues have significant influence and make a variety of choices in who/when/where they're broadcast. And we can surmise that college football's leverage in being able to influence such things has only increased as their ability to command an audience has increased.

MLB sold to the highest bidder, just as every other sport does.

Wow, not true at all. Time slots, exposure, branding, you name it; all sorts of things come into the equation that can sometimes tip the scales away from pure dollars. We can start with the Masters and go on from there...

 

[TobiasFunke]

Wow, not true at all. Time slots, exposure, branding, you name it; all sorts of things come into the equation that can sometimes tip the scales away from pure dollars. We can start with the Masters and go on from there...

Well the Masters is probably the worst starting point, considering it's the the most unusual in terms of TV rights, since it's controlled by a bunch of uber-rich dooshbags not beholden to any other financial interests who deliberately limit TV exposure so they can feel smug and superior.

But sure, I agree. When sports negotiate TV rights It's not strictly a highest bidder decision at all times. So what exactly is it that you want college football to do, and why? It's been two pages and I still have absolutely no idea what problem you've ID'ed other than the game not starting on date and time that works best for your personal schedule. Nor do I know how you'd fix it.

 

[Don Quixote]

I fell asleep with the game on in the third quarter. My wife was angry with me this morning because she could not sleep with the TV on, while I was asleep and not even watching the game. (I guess walking to the remote is too much work.) Which way to the "the NCAA football championship on a Monday is ruining my marriage" thread?

 

[TheIronSheik]

I, too, fell asleep in the third. That's why I was wondering what the drop off in the numbers is.

 

[Tango]

It's been two pages and I still have absolutely no idea what problem you've ID'ed other than the game not starting on date and time that works best for your personal schedule. Nor do I know how you'd fix it.

See the last two posts. If you ran college football, do you really want your audience to fall asleep next to their wives in bed with the TV blaring? It doesnt make sense anymore to keep it in this slot given that the sport will command the audience on any night of the week. It's not fitting for the sport's championship to end so anti-climatically.

The theory is that it would be more lucrative for the sport in the short-run, and especially the longer-run, to elevate its championship game to holiday-status on the sports calendar that is the centerpiece of a sports weekend. If Saturday was 1230/430/800 triple-header, then we would not have the complaints that I just listened to for an hour on the radio nor would we have people falling asleep with their wives. Instead we'd have the best day of football on the football calendar, similarly huge ratings and a sort of national holiday where friends and family gather to watch the college football championship until all hours of the night.

 

[Das Boot]

GB the FFA.... where we will enter an endless debate loop on just about anything

I disagree.

 

[TobiasFunke]

It's been two pages and I still have absolutely no idea what problem you've ID'ed other than the game not starting on date and time that works best for your personal schedule. Nor do I know how you'd fix it.

See the last two posts. If you ran college football, do you really want your audience to fall asleep next to their wives in bed with the TV blaring? It doesnt make sense anymore to keep it in this slot given that the sport will command the audience on any night of the week. It's not fitting for the sport's championship to end so anti-climatically.

The theory is that it would be more lucrative for the sport in the short-run, and especially the longer-run, to elevate its championship game to holiday-status on the sports calendar that is the centerpiece of a sports weekend. If Saturday was 1230/430/800 triple-header, then we would not have the complaints that I just listened to for an hour on the radio nor would we have people falling asleep with their wives. Instead we'd have the best day of football on the football calendar, similarly huge ratings and a sort of national holiday where friends and family gather to watch the college football championship until all hours of the night.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. People don't watch TV on Saturday nights. The NFL only schedules the divisional games on Saturdays because it has to in order to get in four weekend games that don't overlap; that's why they don't play the conference championships or the Super Bowl on Saturdays. The NBA also avoids Saturday nights when it can. This is the product of decades of study and trial-and-error.

So big-time Saturday games,especially late on Saturday nights, are already something sports leagues avoid when possible. Now you're asking the NFL to move up to an early start and further sacrifice ratings to accommodate the college game? And you think the third game of a triple header, with virtually nobody watching the pregame lead-in because everyone else is watching the NFL playoffs and no time for pregame hype because ESPN and other sports news is covering the NFL until literally minutes before kickoff, is a winning idea ? I don't get it.

I think you've decided how you personally want to watch the college football championship and you want everyone else to make it happen, lost ratings and other times zones be damned.

 

[Tango]

It's been two pages and I still have absolutely no idea what problem you've ID'ed other than the game not starting on date and time that works best for your personal schedule. Nor do I know how you'd fix it.

See the last two posts. If you ran college football, do you really want your audience to fall asleep next to their wives in bed with the TV blaring? It doesnt make sense anymore to keep it in this slot given that the sport will command the audience on any night of the week. It's not fitting for the sport's championship to end so anti-climatically.

The theory is that it would be more lucrative for the sport in the short-run, and especially the longer-run, to elevate its championship game to holiday-status on the sports calendar that is the centerpiece of a sports weekend. If Saturday was 1230/430/800 triple-header, then we would not have the complaints that I just listened to for an hour on the radio nor would we have people falling asleep with their wives. Instead we'd have the best day of football on the football calendar, similarly huge ratings and a sort of national holiday where friends and family gather to watch the college football championship until all hours of the night.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. People don't watch TV on Saturday nights. The NFL only schedules the divisional games on Saturdays because it has to in order to get in four weekend games that don't overlap; that's why they don't play the conference championships or the Super Bowl on Saturdays. The NBA also avoids Saturday nights when it can. This is the product of decades of study and trial-and-error.

So big-time Saturday games,especially late on Saturday nights, are already something sports leagues avoid when possible. Now you're asking the NFL to move up to an early start and further sacrifice ratings to accommodate the college game? And you think the third game of a triple header, with virtually nobody watching the pregame lead-in because everyone else is watching the NFL playoffs and no time for pregame hype because ESPN and other sports news is covering the NFL until literally minutes before kickoff, is a winning idea ? I don't get it.

I think you've decided how you personally want to watch the college football championship and you want everyone else to make it happen, lost ratings and other times zones be damned.

Ok, Thursday night, etc.. See post #1.

And, btw, the TV networks moved the NFL Divisional to Saturday night for a reason and it gets huge ratings as would the college football championship. This is not the NBA.

 

[TheIronSheik]

It's been two pages and I still have absolutely no idea what problem you've ID'ed other than the game not starting on date and time that works best for your personal schedule. Nor do I know how you'd fix it.

See the last two posts. If you ran college football, do you really want your audience to fall asleep next to their wives in bed with the TV blaring? It doesnt make sense anymore to keep it in this slot given that the sport will command the audience on any night of the week. It's not fitting for the sport's championship to end so anti-climatically.

The theory is that it would be more lucrative for the sport in the short-run, and especially the longer-run, to elevate its championship game to holiday-status on the sports calendar that is the centerpiece of a sports weekend. If Saturday was 1230/430/800 triple-header, then we would not have the complaints that I just listened to for an hour on the radio nor would we have people falling asleep with their wives. Instead we'd have the best day of football on the football calendar, similarly huge ratings and a sort of national holiday where friends and family gather to watch the college football championship until all hours of the night.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. People don't watch TV on Saturday nights. The NFL only schedules the divisional games on Saturdays because it has to in order to get in four weekend games that don't overlap; that's why they don't play the conference championships or the Super Bowl on Saturdays. The NBA also avoids Saturday nights when it can. This is the product of decades of study and trial-and-error.

So big-time Saturday games,especially late on Saturday nights, are already something sports leagues avoid when possible. Now you're asking the NFL to move up to an early start and further sacrifice ratings to accommodate the college game? And you think the third game of a triple header, with virtually nobody watching the pregame lead-in because everyone else is watching the NFL playoffs and no time for pregame hype because ESPN and other sports news is covering the NFL until literally minutes before kickoff, is a winning idea ? I don't get it.

I think you've decided how you personally want to watch the college football championship and you want everyone else to make it happen, lost ratings and other times zones be damned.

I disagree with this. If a championship game was on Saturday night, people would watch it.

 

[Hang 10]

Maybe I'm just old but I don't really like staying up to watch sports. If the game is actually good and I'm into it, I find it difficult to go right to sleep afterwards. NFL Sundays (college Saturdays too) got it right for the most part. Game at 1 and 4. I don't need a Sunday night game.

 

[The Commish]

The FFA can turn any topic into a fishing trip can't it???

 

[TheIronSheik]

The FFA can turn any topic into a fishing trip can't it???

Which part is the fishing trip? I just want to make sure I'm not included on either side of it. TIA, GB!

 

[The Commish]

The FFA can turn any topic into a fishing trip can't it???

Which part is the fishing trip? I just want to make sure I'm not included on either side of it. TIA, GB!

Typically, when I see no real specific points being made and numerous requests for clarification go unaddressed my fishing alarm goes off. Might be wrong here. We'll see.

 

[Tango]

The FFA can turn any topic into a fishing trip can't it???

Which part is the fishing trip? I just want to make sure I'm not included on either side of it. TIA, GB!

Typically, when I see no real specific points being made and numerous requests for clarification go unaddressed my fishing alarm goes off. Might be wrong here. We'll see.

I dunno...the game's timeslot and disdain for Monday night was the #2 or #3 topic on sxm college sports radio yesterday and probably the #1 topic on channel 85.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The FFA can turn any topic into a fishing trip can't it???

Which part is the fishing trip? I just want to make sure I'm not included on either side of it. TIA, GB!

Typically, when I see no real specific points being made and numerous requests for clarification go unaddressed my fishing alarm goes off. Might be wrong here. We'll see.

Don't forget a completely nonsensical, deliberately obtuse misinterpretation of another's point.

To what end? So you personally can avoid the inconvenience of staying up late on a Monday night even though a ton of people who do this for a living figured out that was the best time to maximize national viewership?

Ahh, the this-is-the-way-it's-always-been-done-argument. Good one. The reasons are because it will be more lucrative for the sport to elevate the event to a holiday on the sports calendar that is the centerpiece of a sports weekend.

I dont get it why you dont get that. Turn on the radio. Odds are it's being talked about right now. I just heard it 5 minutes ago...that doesnt make it right or wrong, but saying you "dont get it"? I dont buy that. Ive seen your other posts in the ACC forum, you're smarter than that.