Mora's father criticizes M. Vick (1 Viewer)

[gbill2004]

Falcons | Mora's father criticizes M. Vick

Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:36:42 -0800

ESPN reports former NFL head coach Jim Mora Sr. criticized Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick and called him a "coach killer." Falcons head coach Jim Mora claimed he doesn't listen to what his father says and believes Vick is one of the most overanalyzed quarterbacks in the league.

 

[redman]

Did they ask him about whether the Falcons would reach the playoffs?

 

[Keepers]

Getting the excuses ready for when Atlanta misses the playoffs and Jim is fired.

 

[MeVsMaradona]

Vick is not a good quarterback, with his inconsistant play i could see why someone would call him that.

 

[librahi]

Vick is not a good quarterback, with his inconsistant play i could see why someone would call him that.

does anyone else watch ATL games? does anyone else notice that 50% of his incompletions are dropped passes. granted, he throws with a lot of power, but ####ing crap, these guys drop balls all day. he rips it up vs. balt. today!

 

[Ghost Rider]

Vick has definitely not improved as much as he should have, considering how long he has been in the league now, but maybe Papa should tell his son that it was a mistake putting Vick into an offense that doesn't maximize his best skills.

 

[Tau837]

Vick has definitely not improved as much as he should have, considering how long he has been in the league now, but maybe Papa should tell his son that it was a mistake putting Vick into an offense that doesn't maximize his best skills.

 

[WhoDat]

Falcons | Mora's father criticizes M. Vick

Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:36:42 -0800

ESPN reports former NFL head coach Jim Mora Sr. criticized Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick and called him a "coach killer." Falcons head coach Jim Mora claimed he doesn't listen to what his father says and believes Vick is one of the most overanalyzed quarterbacks in the league.

Another fine example of reporting half the news from ESPN or at least reporting the news in a manner that most benefits ESPN. Their act is getting old. I caught that interview live and, while the elder Mora was critical of Vick, he also framed and defined his position. There was a hell of a lot more to that interview than Vick is a coach killer.

Mora was far more diplomatic than ESPN is suggesting.

 

[Da Guru]

Vick is also a WR killa as well!

 

[EFD]

Better than being a Krazy Eyed Killa.

 

[dickey moe]

This is just silly.

 

[Sea Bass]

This is just silly.

Rerun!

 

[Tau837]

Vick is also a WR killa as well!

Actually, I think Vick's WRs are Vick killers.

 

[Despyzer]

does anyone else watch ATL games? does anyone else notice that 50% of his incompletions are dropped passes. granted, he throws with a lot of power, but ####ing crap, these guys drop balls all day. he rips it up vs. balt. today!

Vick has definitely not improved as much as he should have, considering how long he has been in the league now, but maybe Papa should tell his son that it was a mistake putting Vick into an offense that doesn't maximize his best skills.

Actually, I think Vick's WRs are Vick killers.

Same old stuff. It's never Vick's fault. Blame his coaches, blame his system, blame his receivers, blame anyone under the sun but Vick himself. At what point does Vick have to own up to his own failings?

 

[redman]

does anyone else watch ATL games? does anyone else notice that 50% of his incompletions are dropped passes. granted, he throws with a lot of power, but ####ing crap, these guys drop balls all day. he rips it up vs. balt. today!

Vick has definitely not improved as much as he should have, considering how long he has been in the league now, but maybe Papa should tell his son that it was a mistake putting Vick into an offense that doesn't maximize his best skills.

Actually, I think Vick's WRs are Vick killers.

Same old stuff. It's never Vick's fault. Blame his coaches, blame his system, blame his receivers, blame anyone under the sun but Vick himself. At what point does Vick have to own up to his own failings?

Considering that even stuff in his personal life is Ron Mexico's fault, I say NEVER!

 

[Slider]

does anyone else watch ATL games? does anyone else notice that 50% of his incompletions are dropped passes. granted, he throws with a lot of power, but ####ing crap, these guys drop balls all day. he rips it up vs. balt. today!

Vick has definitely not improved as much as he should have, considering how long he has been in the league now, but maybe Papa should tell his son that it was a mistake putting Vick into an offense that doesn't maximize his best skills.

Actually, I think Vick's WRs are Vick killers.

Same old stuff. It's never Vick's fault. Blame his coaches, blame his system, blame his receivers, blame anyone under the sun but Vick himself. At what point does Vick have to own up to his own failings?

Been through it all with McNabb. Same deal...

 

[strong]

Better than being a Krazy Eyed Killa.

Are you my caucasian?

 

[EZD222]

Ah Jim Mora Sr. That man made some of the funniest rants as a head coach

Playoffs?!?!

 

[bentley]

does anyone else watch ATL games? does anyone else notice that 50% of his incompletions are dropped passes. granted, he throws with a lot of power, but ####ing crap, these guys drop balls all day. he rips it up vs. balt. today!

Vick has definitely not improved as much as he should have, considering how long he has been in the league now, but maybe Papa should tell his son that it was a mistake putting Vick into an offense that doesn't maximize his best skills.

Actually, I think Vick's WRs are Vick killers.

Same old stuff. It's never Vick's fault. Blame his coaches, blame his system, blame his receivers, blame anyone under the sun but Vick himself. At what point does Vick have to own up to his own failings?

So, these three posters have been confirmed as Michael Vick aliases? Or are you just making things up?

 

[Despyzer]

So, these three posters have been confirmed as Michael Vick aliases?

Yes.

 

[Ghost Rider]

does anyone else watch ATL games? does anyone else notice that 50% of his incompletions are dropped passes. granted, he throws with a lot of power, but ####ing crap, these guys drop balls all day. he rips it up vs. balt. today!

Vick has definitely not improved as much as he should have, considering how long he has been in the league now, but maybe Papa should tell his son that it was a mistake putting Vick into an offense that doesn't maximize his best skills.

Actually, I think Vick's WRs are Vick killers.

Same old stuff. It's never Vick's fault. Blame his coaches, blame his system, blame his receivers, blame anyone under the sun but Vick himself. At what point does Vick have to own up to his own failings?

Quit being a baby, and actually read the posts you are quoting. Did I say nothing is Vick's fault?Am I a Michael Vick apologist? Do you have any clue what you are talking about? The answer to all of these questions is 'no.' Please let me know when you are ready to have an intelligent conversation about this, rather than making sweeping generalizations about anyone who says that something might not be 100% Vick's fault.

 

[Tau837]

does anyone else watch ATL games? does anyone else notice that 50% of his incompletions are dropped passes. granted, he throws with a lot of power, but ####ing crap, these guys drop balls all day. he rips it up vs. balt. today!

Vick has definitely not improved as much as he should have, considering how long he has been in the league now, but maybe Papa should tell his son that it was a mistake putting Vick into an offense that doesn't maximize his best skills.

Actually, I think Vick's WRs are Vick killers.

Same old stuff. It's never Vick's fault. Blame his coaches, blame his system, blame his receivers, blame anyone under the sun but Vick himself. At what point does Vick have to own up to his own failings?

Quit being a baby, and actually read the posts you are quoting. Did I say nothing is Vick's fault?Am I a Michael Vick apologist? Do you have any clue what you are talking about? The answer to all of these questions is 'no.' Please let me know when you are ready to have an intelligent conversation about this, rather than making sweeping generalizations about anyone who says that something might not be 100% Vick's fault.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Falcons | Mora's father criticizes M. Vick

Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:36:42 -0800

ESPN reports former NFL head coach Jim Mora Sr. criticized Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick and called him a "coach killer." Falcons head coach Jim Mora claimed he doesn't listen to what his father says and believes Vick is one of the most overanalyzed quarterbacks in the league.

Another fine example of reporting half the news from ESPN or at least reporting the news in a manner that most benefits ESPN. Their act is getting old. I caught that interview live and, while the elder Mora was critical of Vick, he also framed and defined his position. There was a hell of a lot more to that interview than Vick is a coach killer.

Mora was far more diplomatic than ESPN is suggesting.

ESPN? The blurb is from KFFL, not ESPN.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Jim Mora Sr. = Brenda Warner

 

[Despyzer]

Quit being a baby, and actually read the posts you are quoting.

How am I being a baby? I did read them. Are you saying that you didn't blame Vick's struggles on the coaching staff and the system or is there some other way to interpret " it was a mistake putting Vick into an offense that doesn't maximize his best skills"? If you meant something else, then the responsibility is yours to communicate better.Are you a Vick apologist? I have no idea, but you do a pretty good impersonation of one. If not, I have no idea why you would blow a fuse like you did.

 

[Tau837]

Quit being a baby, and actually read the posts you are quoting.

How am I being a baby? I did read them. Are you saying that you didn't blame Vick's struggles on the coaching staff and the system or is there some other way to interpret " it was a mistake putting Vick into an offense that doesn't maximize his best skills"? If you meant something else, then the responsibility is yours to communicate better.Are you a Vick apologist? I have no idea, but you do a pretty good impersonation of one. If not, I have no idea why you would blow a fuse like you did.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. Vick hasn't been a good passer. Plenty of that is due to him. But plenty of that also has to do with having possibly the worst set of WRs in the league, who have dropped a lot of passes, including a lot of potential TD passes, and with Vick being put in a WCO that does not fit his particular talents.I put plenty of blame on Vick, but his talents are what they are. It is up to the coaches to maximize his talents by putting him in an offense that fits them well. After all, he is their franchise player, like it or not. He's not going anywhere. Why try to fit him into an offense rather than try to fit the offense to him? That's what Mora has done since day one.And there is some blame for the GM as well, for assembling the corps of WRs that Vick has had to work with throughout his career.If that makes me a Vick apologist, so be it. But Vick is not as bad a passer as most make him out to be around here.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Are you saying that you didn't blame Vick's struggles on the coaching staff and the system or is there some other way to interpret "it was a mistake putting Vick into an offense that doesn't maximize his best skills"?

"The coaching staff made a mistake" and "Vick has faults" are not mutually inconsistent positions. If someone says the first is true, it shouldn't be interpreted as saying the second is false.

 

[Despyzer]

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. Vick hasn't been a good passer. Plenty of that is due to him. But plenty of that also has to do with having possibly the worst set of WRs in the league, who have dropped a lot of passes, including a lot of potential TD passes, and with Vick being put in a WCO that does not fit his particular talents.I put plenty of blame on Vick, but his talents are what they are. It is up to the coaches to maximize his talents by putting him in an offense that fits them well. After all, he is their franchise player, like it or not. He's not going anywhere. Why try to fit him into an offense rather than try to fit the offense to him? That's what Mora has done since day one.And there is some blame for the GM as well, for assembling the corps of WRs that Vick has had to work with throughout his career.If that makes me a Vick apologist, so be it. But Vick is not as bad a passer as most make him out to be around here.

Now this is a well-thought-out and comprehensive response. No, it's not all Vick's fault. In football, it hardly ever is. This response spreads the blame, and that's reasonable. When you blame the receivers though, Vick hasn't been saddled with these receivers all of his career. And if ALL of his receivers are dropping balls, doesn't that also say something about the person delivering them? One reason Mora brought in this sytem was because it was supposed to be tailor-made to Vick's strengths - plenty of options to run, a quick yet obvious progression of reads. Yet he's failed to pick it up any better than the previous one. Mora and his staff continue to tinker with it to adapt it even more to Vick, but the improvements in Vick's game only seem to be temporary.The facts are that Vick has been with many receivers and coaches, and in many systems. Next year, he may very well have a new coach, a new system, and/or a new target or two. If he continues to struggle, do we ever stop saying that it must be everyone else?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Jim Mora claimed he doesn't listen to what his father says

Good info here.

 

[Tau837]

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. Vick hasn't been a good passer. Plenty of that is due to him. But plenty of that also has to do with having possibly the worst set of WRs in the league, who have dropped a lot of passes, including a lot of potential TD passes, and with Vick being put in a WCO that does not fit his particular talents.I put plenty of blame on Vick, but his talents are what they are. It is up to the coaches to maximize his talents by putting him in an offense that fits them well. After all, he is their franchise player, like it or not. He's not going anywhere. Why try to fit him into an offense rather than try to fit the offense to him? That's what Mora has done since day one.And there is some blame for the GM as well, for assembling the corps of WRs that Vick has had to work with throughout his career.If that makes me a Vick apologist, so be it. But Vick is not as bad a passer as most make him out to be around here.

Now this is a well-thought-out and comprehensive response. No, it's not all Vick's fault. In football, it hardly ever is. This response spreads the blame, and that's reasonable. When you blame the receivers though, Vick hasn't been saddled with these receivers all of his career. And if ALL of his receivers are dropping balls, doesn't that also say something about the person delivering them? One reason Mora brought in this sytem was because it was supposed to be tailor-made to Vick's strengths - plenty of options to run, a quick yet obvious progression of reads. Yet he's failed to pick it up any better than the previous one. Mora and his staff continue to tinker with it to adapt it even more to Vick, but the improvements in Vick's game only seem to be temporary.The facts are that Vick has been with many receivers and coaches, and in many systems. Next year, he may very well have a new coach, a new system, and/or a new target or two. If he continues to struggle, do we ever stop saying that it must be everyone else?

You are overstating your position here. Vick has not been in "many" systems. He has been in two. He played 8 games as a raw 21 year old rookie, then 15 games in his second year. In the second half of that season, he made a significant improvement as a passer. I have posted on this many times. So Reeves' system was working for him. In his third year, he got hurt and only played the last 5 games, which included a coaching change from Reeves to Wade Phillips, so it's hard to assess much from his performance that year. Then the next season Mora arrived and installed the WCO.I don't really understand why Mora or anyone would believe the WCO is tailor made for Vick. His strength as a passer is not short timing passes, but rather medium and deeper throws that take more advantage of his arm strength and not touch. Your "any better than the previous one" implies that Vick was not progressing well as a passer in Reeves' offense, which is not true at all. Clearly, the WCO has not been a good fit for him. It also hasn't helped that since Mora arrived they have held down his passing attempts... he needs in game reps to evolve.As for your questioning whether Vick is to blame if his WRs always play poorly, it is true that his own deficiencies don't necessarily help his WRs to play well. But anyone who has watched multiple Atlanta games this season knows that his receivers (to include Crumpler) have dropped or failed to make "makeable" plays on an inordinately large number of passes, including several TDs. I mean, do you question whether or not this cast of WRs is one of the few worst in the NFL? Name some groups that are worse. As for going back in his career, the best WR he has ever had is Brian Finneran. What more proof do you need?As for your "do we ever stop saying that it must be everyone else" question, we've covered that. It is both Vick and his coaching and surrounding cast. If the coaching staff and/or surrounding cast improves, there may be no need to single one or both of them out for part of the blame in the future. But, just as Vick needs to improve, so do both his coaches and his receivers.

 

[Despyzer]

As for going back in his career, the best WR he has ever had is Brian Finneran. What more proof do you need?

Peerless Price caught more balls for more yardage and for more TDs every year for the first four years of his career, culminating in a 94 catch, 1200+ yard, 9 TD year in 2002. He was a WR on the rise. Then boom, it was over. Did he suddenly become a mediocre or worse WR, or was it a change in QBs?

As for your "do we ever stop saying that it must be everyone else" question, we've covered that. It is both Vick and his coaching and surrounding cast. If the coaching staff and/or surrounding cast improves, there may be no need to single one or both of them out for part of the blame in the future. But, just as Vick needs to improve, so do both his coaches and his receivers.

So we never put the blame solely on Vick regardless of outcome. Okay. Good to know.

 

[Tau837]

As for going back in his career, the best WR he has ever had is Brian Finneran. What more proof do you need?

Peerless Price caught more balls for more yardage and for more TDs every year for the first four years of his career, culminating in a 94 catch, 1200+ yard, 9 TD year in 2002. He was a WR on the rise. Then boom, it was over. Did he suddenly become a mediocre or worse WR, or was it a change in QBs?

Price had one great season in Buffalo. His first three years there were fine for a young WR, but nothing to write home about... very Finneran like. So you think his one great season, in a contract year, makes him a great WR? Then please explain why he has been invisible since he left Atlanta, if he was so great when he arrived and given he only spent two seasons there. I suppose that is Vick's fault too, right? ETA: Let's carry my Price challenge forward. Can you name any WRs who played with Vick and then left Atlanta and turned out to be good elsewhere?

As for your "do we ever stop saying that it must be everyone else" question, we've covered that. It is both Vick and his coaching and surrounding cast. If the coaching staff and/or surrounding cast improves, there may be no need to single one or both of them out for part of the blame in the future. But, just as Vick needs to improve, so do both his coaches and his receivers.

So we never put the blame solely on Vick regardless of outcome. Okay. Good to know.

You need to work on your reading comprehension. Reread the bolded statement and get back to me.ETA: Given you ignored the rest of my last response, I'll assume you are conceding those points.

 

[Despyzer]

Let's carry my Price challenge forward. Can you name any WRs who played with Vick and then left Atlanta and turned out to be good elsewhere?

So that's the criteria for a good WR? Whether he was any good once he left Atlanta. But it's perfectly okay to discount any stats a WR accumulates before he gets to ATL. This kind of reasoning tells me all I need to know. Thanks.

 

[JZilla]

Isn't Mora Jr. in charge of who starts?

He has a perfectly good QB on his bench. Starting Vick is his choice.

If Dungy decided to start Sorgi every week, it wouldn't be Sorgi's fault

*Apologies to Jim Sorgi for the rough comparison

 

[Tau837]

Let's carry my Price challenge forward. Can you name any WRs who played with Vick and then left Atlanta and turned out to be good elsewhere?

So that's the criteria for a good WR? Whether he was any good once he left Atlanta. But it's perfectly okay to discount any stats a WR accumulates before he gets to ATL. This kind of reasoning tells me all I need to know. Thanks.

Way to back out of an argument you have lost.

 

[Despyzer]

Way to back out of an argument you have lost against an unreasonable poster with ridiculous reasoning.

Fixed.

 

[WhoDat]

Falcons | Mora's father criticizes M. Vick

Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:36:42 -0800

ESPN reports former NFL head coach Jim Mora Sr. criticized Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick and called him a "coach killer." Falcons head coach Jim Mora claimed he doesn't listen to what his father says and believes Vick is one of the most overanalyzed quarterbacks in the league.

Another fine example of reporting half the news from ESPN or at least reporting the news in a manner that most benefits ESPN. Their act is getting old. I caught that interview live and, while the elder Mora was critical of Vick, he also framed and defined his position. There was a hell of a lot more to that interview than Vick is a coach killer.

Mora was far more diplomatic than ESPN is suggesting.

ESPN? The blurb is from KFFL, not ESPN.

Yes, the blurb is from ESPN but that interview was on Fox's national radio show earlier this past week. It was either the mid morning or mid afternoon show. Can't remember which one but I was listening to it live, when Mora made that statement and it was much more than what was reported this morning on ESPN. Much more.

 

[Tau837]

Way to back out of an argument you have lost against an unreasonable poster with ridiculous reasoning.

Fixed.

Right. That's why of all the points you tried to use in this thread, the only one you ended up with is that Vick is the reason Peerless Price's career imploded.

 

[Despyzer]

Sterling Sharpe's comments on this topic on "Football Night in America": The novelty of Michael Vick has worn off. A quarterback has to be the one to put his receivers and tight ends in a position to be successful. If they aren't making plays, you have to take a closer look at the quarterback.

 

[grouse]

Coach killer?

Here are the real coach killers...

Coach Killer Exhibit A -

Ravens return specialist B.J. Sams had 6 returns in the game (3 punts, 3 kickoffs) and averaged 35 yards per return.

Coach Killer Exhibit B -

Falcons running backs had 18 carries for 54 yards - a blistering 3.0 YPC.

Coach Killer Exhibit C -

Despite A & B, it was a one possession game going into the fourth quarter against the Ravens. That was until Jamal Lewis & Co. ripped off a 15 play, 87 yard TD-scoring drive that gobbled up over 8 minutes of clock and the Falcons were the first defense I've seen all year that made Jamal Lewis look like it was circa 2003. Game over.

What about Vick? He was 11/21 (52% and if 2 drops don't occur he completes 13 at 61%). He didn't turn the ball over, and chipped in 6 rushes for 54 yards.

I find it ironic that there would be so much talk about Vick killing his coach and yet it seems pretty clear to me that Michael Vick should be among the least of Jim Mora's problems right now. I'm not a Vick apologist, and if I was starting an NFL franchise today, I don't think I'd want Vick running my offense either. But I look at the present day Atlanta Falcons roster, and quite frankly, Michael Vick is far and away their best player. Without Vick I don't think the Falcons get within a sniff of playoff contention. And yes, Schaub is good, but even a pure WCO passer like Schaub wouldn't be able to make the Falcons dogs at WR look any prettier.

Daddy Mora should keep his nose out of his son's business.

 

[Big Score]

Peerless Price caught more balls for more yardage and for more TDs every year for the first four years of his career, culminating in a 94 catch, 1200+ yard, 9 TD year in 2002. He was a WR on the rise. Then boom, it was over. Did he suddenly become a mediocre or worse WR, or was it a change in QBs?

So that's the criteria for a good WR? Whether he was any good once he left Atlanta. But it's perfectly okay to discount any stats a WR accumulates before he gets to ATL. This kind of reasoning tells me all I need to know. Thanks.

Fairly certain Price had only one really good year and that was with a in his prime Pro Bowl Eric Moulds across from him pulling the double coverage.Price couldn't hack it as a #1 WR in Atlanta, was so good in Dallas that he was cut & is currently doing squat in Buffalo.I don't think anyone but you, considers Price and his one good year, anything more than a fluke.

 

[IGKYA!!!]

Is this a case of us not being allowed to criticize a minority QB?

Seriously, wildly inconsistent QB play is tough on a coach and his gameplan, and who is more up and down than Mike Vick?

 

[Da Guru]

If I were starting a NFL franchise Mike Vick would not be in the top 15 of QBs that I would choose.

Mora Jr. would not be in the top 15 of coaches either.

 

[grouse]

So it boils down to this. Either the coaches can't coach, they are giving Vick the wrong system to play in or Vick just can't grasp how to play the QB position to be consistent. Yes Vick does win games, but I would call him far from consistent in his play.

Really? So Matt Hasselbeck in a Falcons uniform turns Michael Jenkins and Ashley Lelie into world beaters, and makes a porous Falcons defense and special teams better.

 

[JZilla]

Seriously, Mora deserves to lose his job if he doesn't show some nuts and bench Vick. A good coach makes that decision. Parcells benched Bledsoe for a complete unknown and is reaping the rewards. Bledsoe has accomplished a hell of a lot more than Vick has, and conversely, Schaub has shown a lot more than Romo had before he got the job. So what the hell's the problem? Make the change or get lost. Don't let your has-been Dad whine for you like the Mannings and the Winslows.

 

[Tau837]

Seriously, Mora deserves to lose his job if he doesn't show some nuts and bench Vick. A good coach makes that decision. Parcells benched Bledsoe for a complete unknown and is reaping the rewards. Bledsoe has accomplished a hell of a lot more than Vick has, and conversely, Schaub has shown a lot more than Romo had before he got the job. So what the hell's the problem? Make the change or get lost. Don't let your has-been Dad whine for you like the Mannings and the Winslows.

Vick won't be benched. He may not be setting the world on fire, but he's playing well enough. The team has other issues that are more pressing. More importantly, Vick is the franchise. He is about as immune to getting benched as any player in the NFL.

 

[parasaurolophus]

i remember seeing a bit on vick sometime after he was drafted and heard that they only called plays to one side of the field for him in college because he couldnt read the whole field. IF things broke down he was supposed to take off running. Then they were talking about how they had to cut down the falcons playbook and simplify the verbiage. I knew at that moment Vick would be nothing more than a novelty. Fun to watch, but not good at getting your team into the playoffs.

 

[Gargoylez]

Seriously, Mora deserves to lose his job if he doesn't show some nuts and bench Vick. A good coach makes that decision. Parcells benched Bledsoe for a complete unknown and is reaping the rewards. Bledsoe has accomplished a hell of a lot more than Vick has, and conversely, Schaub has shown a lot more than Romo had before he got the job. So what the hell's the problem? Make the change or get lost. Don't let your has-been Dad whine for you like the Mannings and the Winslows.

Vick won't be benched. He may not be setting the world on fire, but he's playing well enough. The team has other issues that are more pressing. More importantly, Vick is the franchise. He is about as immune to getting benched as any player in the NFL.

I realize everyone is blaming the WR's and TE's. And they should be blamed for soem of the problems...But he is an absolute heckyl and jeckyl. It is very scarey for FF owners... especially with the play-offs in a few weeks. No one can depend on him really, he could explode or IMplode... Thank God I traded for Palmer.Playoffs? PLAYOFFS?

 

[Big Score]

I realize everyone is blaming the WR's and TE's. And they should be blamed for soem of the problems...

But he is an absolute heckyl and jeckyl. It is very scarey for FF owners... especially with the play-offs in a few weeks. No one can depend on him really, he could explode or IMplode...

Actually, this is not at all true.

Vick has been one of the more consistent scoring QB's this year, for fantasy football.

He has not had any games scoring in the single digits, in any of the leagues I'm in.

The same cannot be said for a host of the other more highly regarded QB's.

Palmer, Brady, Eli Manning, Favre etc...etc...etc...have all had single digit games.

A QB that you know you can plug in, regardless of the match up, who won't hurt you scoring wise & can have a blow up game any given week, is golden in fantasy football. That is the benchmark of a dependable QB.

 

[GregR_2]

Vick is not a good quarterback, with his inconsistant play i could see why someone would call him that.

does anyone else watch ATL games? does anyone else notice that 50% of his incompletions are dropped passes. granted, he throws with a lot of power, but ####ing crap, these guys drop balls all day. he rips it up vs. balt. today!

50% sounds awful high. Let's check the stats.http://snap.stats.com/snap/pfw/nfl/players...8&Submit=Go

So Vick's receivers have 13 drops, which is 10% of his incompletions, and 5% of his pass attempts. Poor throws are the cause of over 1/3 of his incompletions, and happen on 16.5% of his attempts, so about 1 in 6 passes is a bad throw.

Let's compare him to someone other than Peyton/Brady. Since I'm a Texans fan I'll use David Carr. He has attempted a roughly similar number of passes, 285 while Vick had 267. Carr's receivers have had 10 drops, so 11.5% of Carr's incompletions are dropped passes, a higher %... but only 3.5% of his attempts are dropped, a lower % than Vick. Poor throws are only 17% of his incompletions, and only 5% of his overall attempts, so 1 throw in 20 is a bad throw.

So using Carr as a comparison, Vick has a poor throw more than 3x as often as David Carr.