More likely to have success this season (1 Viewer)

[ponchsox]

Both Kevin Ogletree and Stephen Hill had terrific first games. If you had to bet on which one has the better fantasy season, who would it be and why?

 

[Shutout]

My knee-jerk reaction says Ogletree. I think he is a legit option for the Cowboys, much like Robinson ast season (not saying he duplicates that production, just that he is an option and the cowboys seemingly always have people missing games on offense).

Hill, from what I saw yesterday was absolutely wide open. Maybe a Bills folower can elaborate but they seemed to be clueless in all three aspects of the game. It just seemed like one of those fluky days where you wake up and you see that, because of the matchups in one particular game, a guy like D. Henderson gets 160 yards and two busted play TDs and then is quite for the next month.

 

[Phlash]

My knee-jerk reaction says Ogletree. I think he is a legit option for the Cowboys, much like Robinson ast season (not saying he duplicates that production, just that he is an option and the cowboys seemingly always have people missing games on offense).Hill, from what I saw yesterday was absolutely wide open. Maybe a Bills folower can elaborate but they seemed to be clueless in all three aspects of the game. It just seemed like one of those fluky days where you wake up and you see that, because of the matchups in one particular game, a guy like D. Henderson gets 160 yards and two busted play TDs and then is quite for the next month.

Maybe Stephen Hill is a way better route runner than any of us suspected? That statline is tempting for me since I'm thin at receiver, and while Ogletree seemed much improved, it's scary to need to rely on a teams #3 option I think. Stephen Hill is legitimately the #2 on that team right now, which is far more desirable.

 

[ponchsox]

My knee-jerk reaction says Ogletree. I think he is a legit option for the Cowboys, much like Robinson ast season (not saying he duplicates that production, just that he is an option and the cowboys seemingly always have people missing games on offense).Hill, from what I saw yesterday was absolutely wide open. Maybe a Bills folower can elaborate but they seemed to be clueless in all three aspects of the game. It just seemed like one of those fluky days where you wake up and you see that, because of the matchups in one particular game, a guy like D. Henderson gets 160 yards and two busted play TDs and then is quite for the next month.

Maybe Stephen Hill is a way better route runner than any of us suspected? That statline is tempting for me since I'm thin at receiver, and while Ogletree seemed much improved, it's scary to need to rely on a teams #3 option I think. Stephen Hill is legitimately the #2 on that team right now, which is far more desirable.

But what happens when Sanchez isn't playing Buffalo and goes back to his 175 yard and 1 TD stat line?

 

[jurb26]

I'd say Hill. Hill could realistically be the 2nd best WR on his team. When everyone is healthy in Dal Ogletree is lucky to be 3rd and is perhaps 4th best on his.

 

[BallparkFrank]

My knee-jerk reaction says Ogletree. I think he is a legit option for the Cowboys, much like Robinson ast season (not saying he duplicates that production, just that he is an option and the cowboys seemingly always have people missing games on offense).Hill, from what I saw yesterday was absolutely wide open. Maybe a Bills folower can elaborate but they seemed to be clueless in all three aspects of the game. It just seemed like one of those fluky days where you wake up and you see that, because of the matchups in one particular game, a guy like D. Henderson gets 160 yards and two busted play TDs and then is quite for the next month.

There's NOTHING flukey about a guy that's 6'4, 215 that can run a 4.3. He was matched up with a rookie DB yesterday, but this kid has serious skills. He can separate, get deep, make catches over the middle and has an enormous catch radius which is helpful with Sanchez (see: Braylon and Plax). If he ever learns to catch with his hands and not be such a body catcher, he could be a great one.

 

[Shutout]

My knee-jerk reaction says Ogletree. I think he is a legit option for the Cowboys, much like Robinson ast season (not saying he duplicates that production, just that he is an option and the cowboys seemingly always have people missing games on offense).Hill, from what I saw yesterday was absolutely wide open. Maybe a Bills folower can elaborate but they seemed to be clueless in all three aspects of the game. It just seemed like one of those fluky days where you wake up and you see that, because of the matchups in one particular game, a guy like D. Henderson gets 160 yards and two busted play TDs and then is quite for the next month.

Maybe Stephen Hill is a way better route runner than any of us suspected? That statline is tempting for me since I'm thin at receiver, and while Ogletree seemed much improved, it's scary to need to rely on a teams #3 option I think. Stephen Hill is legitimately the #2 on that team right now, which is far more desirable.

If you are thin for your team then sure, why not role him out? Just try not to be biased based on desperation and the fact that you own him. I own both in different leagues and trying to be unbiased, my initial thought just says that Hill is still very raw and the Jets like him for his blocking every bit as much as a receiver and when I saw Hill catch balls yesterday, it had a lot less to do with route running than it did blown coverages. But in a week to week NEED to start a guy, sure, why not because with his size, he can at least be a red zone "jump ball threat" and maybe salvage your fantasy day. But overall, I wouldn't expect to hear Chris Collinsworth talking about how he is running precise routes any time soon.

 

[Avery]

My knee-jerk reaction says Ogletree. I think he is a legit option for the Cowboys, much like Robinson ast season (not saying he duplicates that production, just that he is an option and the cowboys seemingly always have people missing games on offense).Hill, from what I saw yesterday was absolutely wide open. Maybe a Bills folower can elaborate but they seemed to be clueless in all three aspects of the game. It just seemed like one of those fluky days where you wake up and you see that, because of the matchups in one particular game, a guy like D. Henderson gets 160 yards and two busted play TDs and then is quite for the next month.

Maybe Stephen Hill is a way better route runner than any of us suspected? That statline is tempting for me since I'm thin at receiver, and while Ogletree seemed much improved, it's scary to need to rely on a teams #3 option I think. Stephen Hill is legitimately the #2 on that team right now, which is far more desirable.

But what happens when Sanchez isn't playing Buffalo and goes back to his 175 yard and 1 TD stat line?

Similar argument can be made as to what happens when Dallas isn't playing against an injury riddled secondary with guys like me playing DB and a healthy Witten to compete for targets.Not to say Ogletree can't continue to have success, but the Cowboys found a weakness in the Giants DB inability to cover him on a slant and didn't/couldn't adjust to it.The success may continue, but I'll take a change on the guy who, IMO, has the better the skillset to succeed on his own over the guy who's success in week 1 seemed predicated on a game plan.Then again, relying on Sanchez or Tebow to get him the ball would be a scary prospect too...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hill has a strong chance as a rookie to lead his team. You can tell Sanchez loves him and is fearless in wanting to get him the ball.

 

[Banger]

I'd rather go for a guy that can be the #1 wr over a guy whose upside is wr3 on his team. I know Holmes s/b the "#1" but he's never played like it and there doesn't seem to be a lot of love between Santonio and Sanchez. There's a wr void on that team and who knows, maybe Hill fills it...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Oh and Jeff Tefertiller had him higher than any other FBG staff as he had him in his Redraft PPR top 35 for most of the preseason leading right up to kickoff. FBG has a lot of good staff writers and JT is one of the elites. You can learn a truckload from keying in on his rankings.

 

[hal9000]

Both Kevin Ogletree and Stephen Hill had terrific first games. If you had to bet on which one has the better fantasy season, who would it be and why?

You forgot to include your scoring system...

 

[PainTrain]

They got a lot of targets relative to the other guys on their team.

Sometimes Ogletree is going to appear to be the #2 guy for Romo

Sometimes Hill is going to appear to be the #1 guy for Sanchez or Tebow

EDGE: Ogletree

The guy I really want to add to the discussion about surprise WRs this week receiving the most targets from their QB--who gets a bump as well--is Aldrick Robinson.

Sometimes Robinson could appear to be the #2 guy for RG3. Should we call that comparable yet?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'd say Hill. Hill could realistically be the 2nd best WR on his team. When everyone is healthy in Dal Ogletree is lucky to be 3rd and is perhaps 4th best on his.

To be fair though, when is the last time everyone was healthy in Dallas?

 

[habsfan]

I think this is a great topic and format to really scrutinize the value of WW pickups.

I give the slight edge to Ogletree for reasons that have nothing to do with talent. The QB factor, the "remember Laurent Robinson" factor and Ogletree's tenure in the league and on this team. Hill may become the WR1 on his team but he's still a rookie and I'm not sold that Sanchez is suddenly this surgical passer.

 

[Timmay]

I give the edge to Stephen Hill, he is a freak athlete, who will be the 2nd recieving option on the team. Only thing that doesnt help, is that he will have Sanchez and/or Tebow throwing him the ball. Ogletree, will be the 4th option on Dallas when everyone is healthy with Bryant, Austin, and Witten. I think Ogletree benifited a lot since Witten wasnt himself. Romo loves Witten.

 

[matuski]

Ogle will get bumped down another notch when Witten is healthy.

I'll take the guy who is locked in as a top target.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

This isnt a Sanchez/Tebow thread but as a Hill owner i think I'll offer this since many have mentioned Tebow. I dont see any way that Tebow starts a game this year at QB barring injury. Tebow may be a gimmick around the goal line or line up as a FB or a WR or steal camera time or lead the team in prayers to baby Santa Jesus but he is an atrocious QB.

Sanchez is far from great but Tebow wont play. We would probably see McElroy play in the event of a Sanchez injury.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

Hill has more upside, I think, since he could pretty easily become the #1 WR/top receiving target in his offense. Ogletree is probably #4 when everyone is healthy.

 

[donkshow]

Hill has more upside, I think, since he could pretty easily become the #1 WR/top receiving target in his offense. Ogletree is probably #4 when everyone is healthy.

My thoughts too. I wish Hill only had 1 TD so as to possibly fly under the radar. But given that he got 2, he will be snatched up fast.

 

[BallparkFrank]

It's amazing how many people just blindly bash Sanchez like sheep. He was something like top 6 in total TD's by a QB last year, top 10 in passing TD's and a top 10 fantasy QB. I understand that he will probably never be elite, but he's certainly more than capable of supporting a WR like Hill with very productive fantasy numbers.

 

[Topes]

Both Kevin Ogletree and Stephen Hill had terrific first games. If you had to bet on which one has the better fantasy season, who would it be and why?

You forgot to include your scoring system...

Who? Stephen Hill. Why? Because.

 

[donkshow]

It's amazing how many people just blindly bash Sanchez like sheep. He was something like top 6 in total TD's by a QB last year, top 10 in passing TD's and a top 10 fantasy QB. I understand that he will probably never be elite, but he's certainly more than capable of supporting a WR like Hill with very productive fantasy numbers.

Game to game consistency. He will go off like this week for 25+ pts and follow it up with an 8pt stinker.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

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They got a lot of targets relative to the other guys on their team.Sometimes Ogletree is going to appear to be the #2 guy for RomoSometimes Hill is going to appear to be the #1 guy for Sanchez or TebowEDGE: OgletreeThe guy I really want to add to the discussion about surprise WRs this week receiving the most targets from their QB--who gets a bump as well--is Aldrick Robinson. Sometimes Robinson could appear to be the #2 guy for RG3. Should we call that comparable yet?

No. He saw the field because he is Garcon's backup. I don't expect garçon to miss time, although Robinson is a nice stash in dynasty (I've got a coupe deep leagues where I've got him rostered).

 

[Mortimer Ichabod]

Mini Megatron is only just warming up

 

[Matt Bitonti]

Sanchez is far from great but Tebow wont play. We would probably see McElroy play in the event of a Sanchez injury.

Rex already said Tebow would be the starter if Sanchez went down. McElroy can't even get active on gameday.as for Hill vs Ogle, Hill is the possible 1 definate 2, Ogle is the 3 at best on that team. Hill is faster and taller. Hill all the way. and the mini megatron comment is not far off, Calvin was a GTech receiver and so was Demaryius Thomas. They both look more or less like Stephen Hill.

 

[JHuber77]

I'd say Hill. Hill could realistically be the 2nd 1st best WR on his team. When everyone is healthy in Dal Ogletree is lucky to be 3rd and is perhaps 4th best on his.

FIXED. Santonio Holmes is nothing but a brain dead Jets spokesperson at this point