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More Terrorism in France, or Something else? (1 Viewer)

This whole situation is upsetting and frustrating to everyone.  Innocent lives continue to be lost at an alarming rate with no end in sight. 

 
bueno said:
Well to be fair, I doubt we have as many media in Baghdad or that they would be able to operate as freely.
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Ur right Beuno, still though it barely registered a blip for most folks. Tonight, middle class Americans are watching this and thinking quickly about how easily that could happen in places like 3rd Street Promenade in Santa Monica, Lincoln Street in Miami, and Times Square in NYC.

 
beer 30 said:
Pretty sure they are anywhere they want to be Trip
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There are known areas of ISIS operations that the world has not committed resources to eliminating, "safe havens" if you will.

They need to be eliminated and they need to be eliminated now.

Enough #####footing around. 

####, I'll get on a plane and join the fight...this is ridiculous.

 
"It must be the civilized world vs. ISIS"

-Geraldo

You're damn straight Geraldo, preach on brother.

 
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Good points about AQ and the American Mantra 15 years ago was take the battle to them in the ME so they are not attacking us here at home, that was what a lot of people in this country thought best.

When ISIS is trying to stop the Army/Navy/Air Force/Marines from banging down their cave or hut, hard to organize or use resources abroad, just saying. Al Qaeda seems like they shrunk and became a shell of what they were prior to Obama taking office, we actually knocked over their leader and it started the end of that group. They exist but they are a far cry from what they were.

America is going to get hit again, maybe sooner than we would like. 

 
"ISIS is collapsing, these terrorists attacks were way worse when they used to be much stronger." (No one ever).

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Ur right Beuno, still though it barely registered a blip for most folks. Tonight, middle class Americans are watching this and thinking quickly about how easily that could happen in places like 3rd Street Promenade in Santa Monica, Lincoln Street in Miami, and Times Square in NYC.
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Granted, we do have closer relationships with France, but I think it is still a matter of media coverage. My half Iraqi wife didn't shed many tears over Baghdad even though she has relative there, but she is bawling her eyes out over France. Maybe because it's closer to home, I don't know.

 
The idea that Trump is going to make this situation worse is ridiculous to me.  These guys don't give a damn who the President of the US is.  They're coming for everyone.  Look up what their damn book is about.  They believe everyone who doesn't believe like them or convert deserve to die.  It's there. 

 
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dschuler said:
"ISIS is collapsing, these terrorists attacks were way worse when they used to be much stronger." (No one ever).
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One crazy person with a truck doesn't change the fact that we are anhilating them from strongholds all over the Middle East.  This is a reaction to the fact we wiped the Chechen dude. 

 
Western ground troops masked as UN mostly made of American/French/England, Bashar is going to have to open his borders to us with open arms, that should go well.

Also it should be noted, ISIS is getting squeezed and they are lashing out, it would be best if America and Europe would act quickly and decisively similar to how the French sprang into action when the last round of terror attacks killing even more took place.  

 
Limp Ditka said:
With this happening on foreign soil, obviously our constitution / rights aren't overly relevant in this specific case, but...

As we see an escalation in these types of attacks, especially the ones here at home, I find myself wondering more and more which of our Constitutional rights is the most dangerous to those they were put into place to protect.
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I agree. I think we've already compromised the First, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments in response. 

 
flapgreen said:
The idea that Trump is going to make this situation worse is ridiculous to me.  These guys don't give a damn who the President of the US is.  They're coming for everyone.  Look up what their damn book is about.  They believe everyone who doesn't believe like them or convert deserve to die.  It's there. 
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The Old Testament is loaded with things that are actually illegal now in the United States but they are still printing it and worshiping it weekly on Sundays. 

 
This is just crazy.  It's like every week now.  Just awful.  

 
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tone1oc said:
This unfortunate event doesn't change anything.  Stay the course
http://addictinginfo.org/2016/07/13/collapse-isis-now-admits-obamas-strategy-is-destroying-them/
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How much of this has been reported on Fox News? From the link:

According to the Department of Defense, as of July 12, the coalition has flown 13,803 airstrikes in Iraq and Syria against ISIS targets. Of those, 10,577 airstrikes were executed by American fighter pilots.

The Department also reports as of May this year Operation Inherent Resolve had destroyed or damaged 26,374 target under ISIS control. This includes 143 tanks, 6,545 buildings, and 1,620 parts of the oil infrastructure that ISIS has been using to finance their missions.

The conflict isn’t over, but ISIS is not expanding. It’s getting smaller.

 
tone1oc said:
One crazy person with a truck doesn't change the fact that we are anhilating them from strongholds all over the Middle East.  This is a reaction to the fact we wiped the Chechen dude. 
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The same ones we wiped out a few years ago with Bush?  How did that turn out?  I'll wait...

 
sho nuff said:
And his solutions?
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Kraut had one of the best statements, ISIS is not winning and actually are getting pinched and so they are trying to act out as many horrific acts as they can. 

I'm surprised they don't launch an attack in several countries simultaneously. I'm surprised they didn't replicate the same style attack in 5 or 10 Western Countries and have these countries scrambling with their resources.

 
CNN has a Victim vibe, FOX more of a "Let's go Get these SOBs" and I'm not saying which one is right but there is a stark contrast in their coverage at the moment. 

 
dschuler said:
The same ones we wiped out a few years ago with Bush?  How did that turn out?  I'll wait...
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Well we are not enlightened enough as a society to truly know how to fix the systemic issues that give rise to extremism in the middle east.  But for now, all we can do is eliminate the infestations as they come.  This current ISIS infestation will sooner or later be cured.  That is not to say that there will not be another that forms in their wake.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I'm afraid the decision is moving in that direction. I can see France, England, United States, and several other Euro countries pushing to have a united front and perhaps showing the World that they are not going to take this any longer. 

I believe they need troops on the ground coming from all directions around that pseudo caliphate they built or declared and do the nasties and take them out cave by cave, sand drift after sand drift until you meet these 4 armies in the middle and destroy them. 
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I rarely agree with you--in fact I don't think I ever have.  But, this is what needs to happen, and it needed to happen a long time ago.

 
timschochet said:
If changing my position means supporting halting immigration, placing all Muslims under suspicion, and electing nationalist leaders like Trump or Le Pen, then I can tell you right now I will NEVER change my position. 
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Sure you will if Hillary changes hers, for votes, you will follow. She will alter her stance because this is helping Trump.

 
Sand said:
Brilliant insight.  I'm sure we'll find this was all due to some Old Testament fanatics.
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Hey there. I'm just saying that simply because something is written in a religious book/bible doesn't mean everyone is practicing it literally. I think in the OT it says you should put the blood of an animal on your door certain times of the year, specific instructions on women when they are on their monthly, I'm just saying let's not make one religion worse than others because there are a few we don't discuss that are heinous as well. 

Imagine if there was a word for Muslim outrage and hate speech similar to the way the term "Anti-Semite" is used. Imagine there were a term like that to quiet folks form asking a lot of questions about Islam. That's all I'm saying. 

 
Amused to Death said:
How much of this has been reported on Fox News? From the link:

According to the Department of Defense, as of July 12, the coalition has flown 13,803 airstrikes in Iraq and Syria against ISIS targets. Of those, 10,577 airstrikes were executed by American fighter pilots.

The Department also reports as of May this year Operation Inherent Resolve had destroyed or damaged 26,374 target under ISIS control. This includes 143 tanks, 6,545 buildings, and 1,620 parts of the oil infrastructure that ISIS has been using to finance their missions.

The conflict isn’t over, but ISIS is not expanding. It’s getting smaller.
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I want people to add this up. I know nearly everyone loves the withdrawal from Iraq but otherwise the war has continued unabated, it's even expanded.

We are spent. We are a powerful country but militarily we have taken what was supposed to be a short term police action and we have been at it for.15.years. 

We do not have unlimited weaponry and treasure and men. 

 
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