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Moss Owners, Where You Want Him? (1 Viewer)
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um no. less. are you kidding me?
B. Nugget
Footballguy
No doubt it has to be with the gunslinger not afraid to let him play his game in Minnesota, plus it just seems natural to see him in purple.
packersfan
Footballguy
Minnesota. Slam dunk. His targets should go way up and the Vikings' offense would be much improved so that would afford him plenty of opportunities to continue making big plays. Favre isn't Brady but he's still a good QB and Peterson in the backfield means teams can't focus too much attention on the passing game.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
I think you folks are absolutely nuts if you think Moss has more value in Minnesota with no familiarity with Favre than he does with a HOF QB with years with.
I think Moss is a sell high with the news (both redraft & dynasty). News like this pumps up guys' values for whatever reason.
I think Moss is a sell high with the news (both redraft & dynasty). News like this pumps up guys' values for whatever reason.
Brady Gaga
Footballguy
For Moss it's more about motivation. When he wants to dominate, nobody can stop him. He's starting to look bored/annoyed with the Patriots. Send him back to Minnesota with his gun slinging buddy Farve, and I think the chances are pretty good that he could start to dominate again.
Brady Gaga
Footballguy
You're saying it's about the "familiarity" but Moss' best year was his first year with Brady. The other issue here is Welker/Hernandez getting so many balls in this Pats offense while Farve would just lock on to this guy.Another nice thing in favor of the trade is Moss playing week 5 instead of being on the bye.
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packersfan
Footballguy
Moss is averaging 2 receptions and 35 receiving yards per game. You honestly don't believe he can do better than that in Minnesota? I think he's a mortal lock for 5-6 receptions per game at least with at least double the receiving yards he's currently getting in New England. We all know Favre is going to chuck it to him deep downfield and Moss can still make plays downfield with the best of 'em.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
Tate is a star in the making
he wasn't going to average 2/35 all year. you really shouldnt just be taking those 4 games as comparison.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
If Moss goes to Minny you'll see him as the top fantasy WR by year's end. Think Sidney Rice of last year, plus 3 TDs, in 13 games.
(1) the Patriots have other options on offense; the Vikings have Camarillo and Berrian
(2) Favre is not afraid to throw interceptions
(3) Moss has been deliberately playing at less than full speed in an effort to get traded
(1) the Patriots have other options on offense; the Vikings have Camarillo and Berrian
(2) Favre is not afraid to throw interceptions
(3) Moss has been deliberately playing at less than full speed in an effort to get traded
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B. Nugget
Footballguy
how can you say that after watching Favre turn Rice into a household name last year w/ no pre-season chemistry?
D'OHtis
Footballguy
You think he'll average 2 catches / 35 yards per game in NE the whole year??History isn't on Moss's side for great production (this year) being dealt in-season. I would deal him in a heartbeat if he got dealt to Minnesota. That's me
Bill Haverchuck
Footballguy
Got my ww claim for him in 2 leagues.
packersfan
Footballguy
It's what he's averaging. I agree it's possible his numbers will go up if he stays in NE. I'm 99.9% convinced they'll go up - and possibly significantly - if he's traded to Minnesota. He'll be the clear No. 1 WR. He won't have to worry about Welker stealing a ton of receptions. He'll be the first read for Favre and often times the only guy Favre will look for. Favre has no trust in his receivers right now other than Shiancoe and to a lesser extent Harvin. Give him Moss and he could start getting 10-15 targets every game. Favre isn't Brady but he won't need to be to spike Moss' production.
Maybe Rice is better than Moss at this stage in their respective careers? maybe favre is over the hill? i don't know. all im saying is that Moss would end up with WR1 numbers in NE, but it's all a mystery for what he'll do with grandpa brett.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
If he actually goes to Minnesota, I wouldn't trade him for anyone save ADP.
i traded moss for austin tonight.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
Scary how you just posted almost word for word what I was going to post
Thanks for saving me the time.
packersfan
Footballguy
I like Rice a lot but I don't think he's as good as Moss. Favre's a year older but I agree with what Jaworski said before Week 3 - I don't see a decline in Favre's game. What I've seen is rust, a weak offensive line in terms of pass protection and no go-to WR he trusts who can make plays, especially downfield. Moss will cure that ill in a big way.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Rice is better than Moss. We're not talking about Jerry here.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
You have to be kidding.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I don't get this position at all. We can see what his value is in NE right now. He's not going to be re-signed and they're phasing him out of the game plan. They have elite talent all over the place, except at RB which Moss doesn't play. In Minnesota he'll be the best receiver on a team with limited receiving weapons, a great running game and a QB who doesn't mind airing it out. I'm not so optimistic as to think you're looking at a top-3 fantasy WR, but you've got a legit WR1 and he's not that in NE this year.The "more value in Minnesota" opinion is also a reflection of how far he's fallen in NE-- Not that he'll be a young WR again in Minnesota.
crazylegs1
Footballguy
I think this is right on point and is how I see it as well. I think he will be the prime target and will be motivated to light it up again. Plus they are talking new contract, this is what he was lacking in NE and felt unappreciated.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
We're 4 games into the year. 4 games.Take a look where Sidney Rice was ranked last year after 4 games just last year. (Went ahead and looked it up -- WR29)Call me a believer in Brady/Moss, but I feel fairly confident he'd finish as a WR1 in NE by year's end. I don't think it'd take much for him to jump from his current WR36 spot to jump into the Top 12.
------------------------------------------I wholeheartedly feel Moss dynasty owners are being giving one more (and final) big time chance to deal him for a decent return. (Warranted or not, I think new situations artificially create a jump in player values).
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
Favre has made star fantasy WRs out of Sterling Sharpe, Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, and Sidney Rice. There is literally nobody else on the roster in Minny that would keep Favre from bombing passes to Moss 6-7 times a game down the field. Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE8sJI7PxQUI'm astounded that people think this move would hurt his value.We're 4 games into the year. 4 games.Take a look where Sidney Rice was ranked last year after 4 games just last year. (Went ahead and looked it up -- WR29)
Call me a believer in Brady/Moss, but I feel fairly confident he'd finish as a WR1 in NE by year's end. I don't think it'd take much for him to jump from his current WR36 spot to jump into the Top 12.
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I wholeheartedly feel Moss dynasty owners are being giving one more (and final) big time chance to deal him for a decent return. (Warranted or not, I think new situations artificially create a jump in player values).
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D'OHtis
Footballguy
Not sure why if you look at Brady/Moss history and history of WR's changing teams in season.
I'd actually love to buy low if he does stay in NE.
packersfan
Footballguy
While I agree with your point I wanted to mention that I think Sterling was one of the most gifted WRs I've ever seen. Had injuries not cut short his career he could have been a Hall of Famer. He was that good. But you're correct in pointing out that Favre has a proven history of turning WRs into gold. We only need to look back one year to Sidney Rice to see the most recent example.
So much for trading Best or Turner for him. THe dude has Pierre Thomas, Green-Ellis and Maroney at RB, hed have to take that deal, no?Oh, as for this thread,
footballnerd
Footballguy
We're not talking about Jerry here.Fixed
Also Moss' red zone targets will go up as well, he'll take a chunk of what Shiancoe is getting and those that Rice had last year. Favre loves that big jump ball target.
I don't see a huge difference in fantasy points going from New England to Minny. Unless you play in a PPR league. I would expect Moss' yards and receptions to go up in Minnny, but his Td's to do down. Adrian Peterson is still the focal point of the offense.
The good news for Moss owners is that he will play in 17 games this year. Assuming he comes out the gate and plays on Monday night. Minny has already had their bye week. That's a very nice bonus for us fantasy owners that own Moss.
The good news for Moss owners is that he will play in 17 games this year. Assuming he comes out the gate and plays on Monday night. Minny has already had their bye week. That's a very nice bonus for us fantasy owners that own Moss.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
This is the single most gifted receiver in the history of football. He had te best year a receiver has ever had in his first year with the Patriots. He had his second best year ever (probably) in his first year with the Vikings. All he has to do is run fly routes and catch bombs from Favre, who is rather good at throwing them.Not sure why if you look at Brady/Moss history and history of WR's changing teams in season.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
There's no disputing Moss's rank amongst WR's in NFL history. I'm just not going to be convinced he'll be a WR1 over the course of the rest of this year in MN (as he would IMO in NE). I don't think an in-season WR change to MN is going to produce the WR1 results many here believe.This is the single most gifted receiver in the history of football. He had te best year a receiver has ever had in his first year with the Patriots. He had his second best year ever (probably) in his first year with the Vikings. All he has to do is run fly routes and catch bombs from Favre, who is rather good at throwing them.Not sure why if you look at Brady/Moss history and history of WR's changing teams in season.
I'm thinking that Aaron Hernandez takes a big jump as well.
Wooderson
Fight The Power
You did well.
Moss had his bye week in week 4 ( zero catches )You're saying it's about the "familiarity" but Moss' best year was his first year with Brady.
The other issue here is Welker/Hernandez getting so many balls in this Pats offense while Farve would just lock on to this guy.
Another nice thing in favor of the trade is Moss playing week 5 instead of being on the bye.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
Everybody said he was done after his stint in Oakland.., BOOM, huge year in NE. Revis calls him a slouch, BOOM, huge game.No absolutes, but I like the chances of very good things happening in Minny.
GO VIKES!!!
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
Did you miss last season?
As a Moss and Rice Dynasty owner, I want him to stay in NE. But I will be trying to sell him, good or bad I would rather take my chances elsewhere and hopefully get a few nice pieces for him. I think this trade would open up that window as he was not at the top of his game this year in NE.
John Windle
Footballguy
I think Moss has double digit TDs in the 13 games he has left with Minny.
He has proven time and again, that he will absolutely LIGHT YOU UP if he's pissed off and playing with revenge in mind. He has always been that way.
Randy has never played with a RB as good as ADP. Either you keep your safeties deep and let ADP run with less guys in the box... or you get destroyed deep by the finest deep ball receiver in the league's history. That's a big part of why Sidney had a great year last year.
Favre can still chuck it down there just like Daunte used to in the old days.
Moss is going to go nuts production wise.
He has proven time and again, that he will absolutely LIGHT YOU UP if he's pissed off and playing with revenge in mind. He has always been that way.
Randy has never played with a RB as good as ADP. Either you keep your safeties deep and let ADP run with less guys in the box... or you get destroyed deep by the finest deep ball receiver in the league's history. That's a big part of why Sidney had a great year last year.
Favre can still chuck it down there just like Daunte used to in the old days.
Moss is going to go nuts production wise.
