Moss vs. Owens (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

If only one could make the Hall of Fame, which one would you put in?

Both have shown to have a ton of off the field baggage. Moss' peak was higher, but Owens has been really good/great for a longer period of time, and Owens never loafs it on the field like Moss does. He might short-arm a pass or two, but he doesn't tank a play or entire games or seasons like Moss does. It is hard to ignore Moss' place on the '98 Vikings and '07 Patriots, however. Tough call...

 

[DiStefano]

Owens loves the game as much as he loves himself.

Moss loves himself far more than he loves the game.

Easy call: Owens.

 

[mr roboto]

Neck and Neck...

6-6.

Moss if you are going with freak athletic ability and all-out amazing yearly production.

Owens if you are looking for a great all around receiver who through hard work had a long, amazing career.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Owens loves the game as much as he loves himself.Moss loves himself far more than he loves the game.Easy call: Owens.

But they should both be in the HoF. Two of the best to ever play the position.

 

[DoubleG]

Moss runs really well in a straight line and jumps well. T.O. does everything a WR is asked to do to help the offense - and does it just as well if not better than virtually every WR in the game. His hands sometimes leave a little bit to be desired, but T.O. is almost as fast as Moss and is stronger, plays hard much more consistantly and knows patterns other than just post and fly.

IMHO, this should not be close. While it's true that Moss had a bigger "big year", T.O. is by far the more complete WR - and is almost as good at the 2 things that Moss is great at.

 

[JMJ]

T.O. is one of the best and most-willing run blocking WRs ever. Always sprinting downfield blocking on running plays and when other WRs make a catch and are running after the catch.

Very underrated part of his game.

 

[Jason Wood]

We won't have to make that decision because they're both locks. That said, I would put Owens in over Moss if some rule prohibited admitting them both. As others have said, Owens is a head case and a diva, but he LOVES playing and doesn't take plays off. Heck, he raced back from a broken leg faster than most thought humanly possible to play in the Super Bowl. Meanwhile for all of Moss' massive talent and accomplishments, he's legitimately quit on his team at points in his career and frequently takes himself out of plays and games with a lack of focus.

 

[DoubleG]

Can someone....anyone really, explain why they are voting for Moss?

I mean, many have already posted dozens of reasons why T.O., but Moss has a decent number of votes for someone who is a great "Pass Catcher" but last time I checked, there were other responsibilities for a "Wide Receiver" - like going over the middle and run-blocking, neither of which Moss is good at or simply refuses to do.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Owens easily.

Moss is great at catching long balls when he's wide open. Better hands.

Owens is DEADLY after the catch.

Moss Loafs

Owens doesn't. Willing blocker.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Ya know, while Owens definitely short-arms balls that are gonna lead to contact sometimes (he did that several times last week in the Miami game), Moss does it all of the time. When I saw Owens catch that ball inside the 20 last night on the Bengals last drive, where he caught the ball on a deep in and then got absolutely clobbered and still hung on to the ball, I swear, my first thought was, Randy Moss would have either given a half-hearted attempt at it with just his hands or simply let the DB pick it off, rather than catch the ball and take a hit like that. Moss never gives up his body to make a play.

 

[Gachi]

Well, they both kinda get alligator arms when going across the middle. Moss is probably the worst at it tho..

I say put T.O. in, but only if he promises to stop making reality shows..

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Can someone....anyone really, explain why they are voting for Moss? I mean, many have already posted dozens of reasons why T.O., but Moss has a decent number of votes for someone who is a great "Pass Catcher" but last time I checked, there were other responsibilities for a "Wide Receiver" - like going over the middle and run-blocking, neither of which Moss is good at or simply refuses to do.

Moss owns the single season touchdown record.

 

[cvnpoka]

people are so reactionary

 

[Kenny Powers]

Both might be Top 5 All Time WRs so kind of pointless to only put 1 in.

 

[footballnerd]

Career 1200+ yd seasons

Moss: 8 out of 12 seasons

TO: 5 out of 14 seasons

 

[Txns8]

Moss had and still has freakish speed and ability to catch any ball thrown his way. While his effort and attitude probably prevented him from challenging Jerry Rice for the #1 WR all time, he made plays Owens never could. I like them both, but voted for Moss here.

Honestly, I think Owens will have trouble getting in. The media really despises him and they've knocked WR's down quite a bit recently. How Cris Carter isn't in yet baffles me. It could take TO a few years to be seriously discussed in the room.

 

[David Yudkin]

Here's the problem with the poll. You are asking this TODAY as if both guys are done playing. Owens is 4 years older. Moss should continue to play longer than Owens will. Give Moss 4 more years of even so-so production and in the end, Moss' numbers should be a fair amount greater than Owens when things are said and done.

 

[az_prof]

With all due respect to the OP, but there is reason why players have to wait 5 years after they retire to be eligible. Asking this question today after Owens had a monster game and while Moss is sitting on the sidelines after having been cut by a Mad Hatter HC really skews any results. People tend to be swayed but what they have just seen. But the HOF is based on a career and how it matches up to other careers. You really need the distance provided by time.

Basically, the poll is meaningless.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Here's the problem with the poll. You are asking this TODAY as if both guys are done playing. Owens is 4 years older. Moss should continue to play longer than Owens will. Give Moss 4 more years of even so-so production and in the end, Moss' numbers should be a fair amount greater than Owens when things are said and done.

I could see Owens playing until he's 40 and Moss until he's about 35.

 

[David Yudkin]

With all due respect to the OP, but there is reason why players have to wait 5 years after they retire to be eligible. Asking this question today after Owens had a monster game and while Moss is sitting on the sidelines after having been cut by a Mad Hatter HC really skews any results. People tend to be swayed but what they have just seen. But the HOF is based on a career and how it matches up to other careers. You really need the distance provided by time. Basically, the poll is meaningless.

So you're saying that Peyton Hillis shouldn't be a HOF lock and that LT will have to wait because he had only 55 yards this week?

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJrShabadoo]

Both are 100% surefire HoF WR's.

End of story.

 

[two_dollars]

Moss has been better longer. Moss had one of the greatest single seasons ever by a WR. Owens is a locker room cancer. He said it best, "I love me some me."

Easy call.

Moss.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

If this poll was done 9 weeks ago Moss would have won in a landslide. He still should.

 

[Jason Wood]

If this poll was done 9 weeks ago Moss would have won in a landslide. He still should.

I wholeheartedly disagree on both counts.

 

[jdswan922]

Moss has been better longer. Moss had one of the greatest single seasons ever by a WR. Owens is a locker room cancer. He said it best, "I love me some me."Easy call.Moss.

It is interesting that you use the "locker room cancer" bit against Owens, but ignore it with respect to Moss.

 

[Interception Irwin]

people are so reactionary

Exactly.Moss is the correct answer. He is simply the better player. #2 all time in my opinion after Jerry Rice.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Moss has been better longer. Moss had one of the greatest single seasons ever by a WR. Owens is a locker room cancer. He said it best, "I love me some me."

Considering Owens has been playing in the NFL more years than Moss, and is currently still playing at a much higher level, how do you figure Moss has been better longer? Both guys are locker room cancers. Moss said it best: "I play when I want to play."

If this poll was done 9 weeks ago Moss would have won in a landslide.

True, but since then, Moss has been dumped by two teams in the same season, while Owens has resurrected his career by having an outstanding season.

 

[username]

this poll is dumb.

 

[Ghost Rider]

this poll is dumb.

Then don't vote.

 

[todisco1]

Moss has been better longer. Moss had one of the greatest single seasons ever by a WR. Owens is a locker room cancer. He said it best, "I love me some me."

Considering Owens has been playing in the NFL more years than Moss, and is currently still playing at a much higher level, how do you figure Moss has been better longer?

Moss was excellent right out of the starting gate, from his first game as a rookie. Owens took a couple of years to get going. I think his 1st 1k season was his third year. I think they're both 1st ballot HOFs.

 

[az_prof]

With all due respect to the OP, but there is reason why players have to wait 5 years after they retire to be eligible. Asking this question today after Owens had a monster game and while Moss is sitting on the sidelines after having been cut by a Mad Hatter HC really skews any results. People tend to be swayed but what they have just seen. But the HOF is based on a career and how it matches up to other careers. You really need the distance provided by time. Basically, the poll is meaningless.

So you're saying that Peyton Hillis shouldn't be a HOF lock and that LT will have to wait because he had only 55 yards this week?

LMAO! Precisely David. I love FF, but fantasy geeks tend to look at things short-term and that clouds their judgement.

 

[chinawildman]

TO for 2 reasons. He's can block and has given consistent effort regardless of surroundings, plus he's just more versatile as a receiver. Ok guess that's 3 reasons...

 

[Masked Vigilante]

TO because I have a crappy memory.

 

[skinsrule05]

Moss has been better longer. Moss had one of the greatest single seasons ever by a WR. Owens is a locker room cancer. He said it best, "I love me some me."Easy call.Moss.

It is interesting that you use the "locker room cancer" bit against Owens, but ignore it with respect to Moss.

I would like to see a link on that. From everything I have heard through Moss' career he has had problems w/ coaches, owners but the players love him. Even in this last instance he had problems w/ Chilly but his teamates were pissed he was gone.

 

[Jason Wood]

Moss has been better longer. Moss had one of the greatest single seasons ever by a WR. Owens is a locker room cancer. He said it best, "I love me some me."Easy call.Moss.

It is interesting that you use the "locker room cancer" bit against Owens, but ignore it with respect to Moss.

I would like to see a link on that. From everything I have heard through Moss' career he has had problems w/ coaches, owners but the players love him. Even in this last instance he had problems w/ Chilly but his teamates were pissed he was gone.

Actually reports indicated quite a few players were of the mind he had to go, too, and that Childress felt that not releasing him would have caused him to lose the locker room (if had hadn't already). But let's put aside what we can't prove one way or another in the locker room, and focus on what we can see with our own eyes...Owens plays hard, Moss regularly takes off plays/games/seasons when things aren't going his way.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

Owens loves the game as much as he loves himself.Moss loves himself far more than he loves the game.Easy call: Owens.

Clearly this is the only criteria that matters for HOF inclusion.

 

[Jayrod]

For a few moments in time, Randy Moss was the best WR to ever play the game. LOL at the guys who think he only ran deep routes.

TO was/is amazing and a HOF player, but Moss has just been a bit better at the peaks. His valleys have been lower, but his best was better than Owens without question. And it wasn't like Moss just did it 2 or 3 times. Moss has 2 seasons ('03, '07) that are clearly better than any of Owens' best years ('00-'02).

Seasons:

>1000 yds; Moss 10, TO 9

>1200 yds; Moss 8, TO 5

>1400 yds; Moss 4, TO 2

> 9 TDs; Moss 9, TO 8

>12 TDs; TO 7, Moss 6

>15 TDs; Moss 3, TO 1

And in all of this, Moss has 2 fewer years of playing. Now one will argue that TO has worked harder, but Moss was the best WR in the league more often than TO over the exact same years. Head to Head, total stats, per game numbers, single season numbers....no matter how you slice it, Moss was better as a receiver over their careers.