Most Elaborate System Ever (1 Viewer)

[secretid]

So, I was idly ponder the unfairness of the serpentine draft today. I know the auction eliminates this issue, but not all of us want to give up the more typical draft format that has it's charm.

The "flip the 3rd" method supposedly evens this out (I'd like to see more evidence), but I was thinking "What if you choose your own pick order in a draft format?" Unfortunately this was a short-lived idea. The first pick would be... the first pick. The second.. the second. A colossal waste of time.

Then possibly the most inane idea I've ever had struck me. AUCTION off the draft selections.

Each team gets a budget (large, say $20,000) and the 1st overall pick goes up for bid. This allows a fair way to assign draft slots that also lets teams strategically choose where they'd like to draft. On the surface you could simply print off the pick value calculator info and go for values (though that's a lot of faith to put in a formula that you don't know the origin of).

HOWEVER, this also affords you a number of strategic options:

- In my guppy leagues the studs still go early but I'm often stuck in Rds 3-4 with several guys that would still be there in Rd 6 but I have to start grabbing them to get them all. I could forgo picks in this range and grab a whole slew in Rd 6, this allows me to transfer that value elsewhere.

- If I'm going with a Chase QBBC and expect my options to go in the 9th-11th rds, why not take 3 picks in a row in the early 11th and know that I can pick the exact trio I want with no disruptions and without having to start the process a couple of rounds early.

- You can also target specific situations: Don't see a difference between the top 3, go for pick 3 and save the premiums of going for 1 or 2. Like a guy at #5 where most people don't. Snag it at a minimum premium from all the owners who see it as the same as 6-7-8-9. Take the pick 5 picks ahead of Gates's ADP and try to get him on your roster.

So... feedback? Obviously this is the most elaborate and lengthy way you could possible do things, but I think it could be truly fascinating.

 

[Borat]

Honestly?

It seems like way too much work and way too time consuming.

 

[secretid]

It seems like way too much work and way too time consuming.

I'm absolutely not going to try to argue that. However, some of us have little problem putting way too much work and time into this hobby, so for those it may be of at least some interest...

 

[Uruk-Hai]

This is interesting, but I could only see it working with a bunch of hard-core FF lunatics; casual fans would be lost. Even here, the majority of threads are only about the first couple of rounds........You're talking a ton of prep work just to get ready to bid on your draft spots, to say nothing of your actual player evaluations. I'm not familiar with auctions, but I'd imagine you'd have to build in some kind of control so everyone ends up with the same amount of draft spots.

 

[Zowned]

in.....

 

[Dolfan]

I love it

Would take way too long if you have owners pick the picks to put up for auction... Might want to randomly pick 1 pick from each round (like 1.3, 2.5, 3.1, 4.2, 5.12, 6.10, 7.7, 8.9, etc...) and put them all up for auction at once... Give maybe 10 minutes to take bids, and then put up another slew of picks for auction... Just to move things along faster...

Also, maybe don't do it the same day of the live draft.. Maybe do it a week or two before -- maybe on-line -- then have the live draft -- otherwisae the whole process could take 8+ hours -- not to mention, you want to know your draft picks well before the draft to have time to prepare...

GREAT idea though

 

[Highway Robbery]

I like it and I'd play.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I've been trying to get my leagues to go to a real dollar auction for draft slots, not draft picks. Ideally slot 1 goes for the biggest ticket and you'd get the back end of the 2nd and the start of the third, etc.

 

[shadow2k]

YES! I won my bid for draft slot #73! Put it on the board.

championship!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

This sounds like a really neat idea. As has been mentioned though it would take a group of purely hardcore owners, and the other issue is that it would take f-o-r-e-v-e-r to auction off every single draft spot.

Definitely an idea to build on though.

 

[Dolfan]

YES! I won my bid for draft slot #73! Put it on the board.

championship!

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Good idea in a simplyfied form.

Simply auction off the draft slots for real $$ that go into the prize pool.

For example, in a 12 team $100 fee league, start with Draft Slot #1.

Someone might pay ~ $20 for that slot.

Than auction off slot #2, #3 etc.

This year the bidding may dry up after #3.

If there is no $ bid for slot #4, don't assign, simply go to the next slot. My guess is that someone would bid a few $$ for slots #11 and #12.

With any leftover slots that were'nt bid on simply, randomly assign them to the remaining teams.

Shouldn't take more than a few minutes. Adds some excitement and intrigue and is simple.

 

[Philly Sports Dude]

We chose our first round draft slots this season. The rest of the draft then was serpentine.

It made things a little more interesing. Not everyone chose the slot they pulled. I was 3rd and I got the 2nd pick.

I would not say it changed anything drastically but was worth the try.

 

[Bri]

I'd do that type of draft in a second. Of course FF ego+pride, I think with all the mocks I've done that I'd dominate in that format but I'd love to try it and see for myself. If ya do this and have an openning please let me know

 

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If you're going to have an auction, why not auction off the players.

 

[Chaos Commish]

' date='Aug 31 2006, 09:39 AM' post='5426395']If you're going to have an auction, why not auction off the players.

 

[Johnny Rock]

$200 cap. Each owner must have 5 players at the end of the auction portion.

We auction the first 30 players by name, somewhat randomized, so the market is set somewhat. This list is known to everyone before the draft.

Then we auction about 8 owner's choice picks, where you buy that draft slot and can choose any player not drafted yet.

Then when those picks are done each owner takes his remaining balance and divides it how he chooses to fill the rest of his 5 roster spots in a blind bidding process on little sheets of paper. So if he has 3 players, $37 left and 2 roster spots open, he can bid $27 and $10, or $36 and $1, or $37 and $0 (yes we do $0 bids). Those bids are put in order and the pick order is announced. At the end of this each team must have 5 players and $0.

Once the auction portion is over, we do a modified serpentine for the rest of the draft to avoid all the $1 bids and save time. The guys who came up with this did a great job with it.

 

[Zowned]

' date='Aug 31 2006, 10:39 AM' post='5426395']If you're going to have an auction, why not auction off the players.

I know the auction eliminates this issue, but not all of us want to give up the more typical draft format that has it's charm.

 

[AB in DC]

Better idea -- combine with a bidding-for-FA system.

In other words, auction off the draft slots in a serpentine thread, and whatever is not used at the draft, you keep for FA bids.

You can get some interesting strategy this way. Do you bid $20 out of your $50 for the #1 draft slot, knowing that you won't be able to compete for a lot of hot FAs?

 

[traderkirk]

' date='Aug 31 2006, 10:39 AM' post='5426395']If you're going to have an auction, why not auction off the players.

Because this idea adds an extra layer of complexity to the game that would increase enjoyment if you are into those kinds of things.Essentially, it would boil down to choosing where you want to pick in a serpentine draft. Do you spend big to get a top 3 pick or do you accumulate mid level choices? You'd have to manage your money and your draft slots to make sure you ended up with value.

 

[secretid]

YES! I won my bid for draft slot #73! Put it on the board.

championship!

Great posting.

Maybe I will put something like this together for next year for shark poolers (since I don't think I know enough people in person that would do this). I definitely agree with auctioning off the slots beforehand.

I wonder if a "slow auction" on a msg board with a bunch of picks going each day would work. The problem is you'd be at a real disadvantage if you couldn't be there at the end.

Haha, I just had the idea of listing each draft slot on ebay for 10 days and you bid for it in pennies, there'd be some fees but nothing terrible. You'd also probably want to stagger them so you're not deciding on all hundred-some picks in the same few minutes.