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Most mass shooters are male- why? (1 Viewer)
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wikkidpissah
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KarmaPolice
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I think this is getting to a lot of the issue, but I have 0 clue what to do with it.
I think we tend to forget that our way of society is just a blip on the evolutionary scale. For thousands and thousands of years we needed our aggression to help with our small group of others - defense, getting food, reproduction, building, whatever. Now in the course of just a 100 or so years, all of that has been negated for the most part. No mandatory participation in military, as somebody else pointed out, there is no rite of passage of any sort, on an on. Our genetics are probably screaming as we sit on our asses at work all day. Add to that the lack of community as we no longer depend on each other on a small personal level for survival anymore. It's very new to us as a species and it just might be showing itself in some really weird and negative ways.
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Males are more aggressive than females in pretty much every species except maybe seahorses.
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EYLive
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This is an interesting observation. I would add the following: Gangs are a support system, its replaces family when the parents aren't doing their duty for whatever reason. So while gangs shoot and kill each other over turf, respect, revenge etc, they generally target a known enemy. And the urban gangs are mostly black or hispanic.
So what happens when a suburban white male is missing parental support and there's no gang to turn to for emotional support? Maybe they commit suicide; maybe they lash out. And when it gets really bad, they lash out out against innocent people in the most violent way they know how.
Ilov80s
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Reg Lllama of Brixton
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Spotted Hyena females are usually bigger and more dominant than males.
They also have a "satan's doorbell" that is so large that it resembles a male member. Oh and they also look like they have a scrotum. ool
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dgreen
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And scientists just messed that one up by labeling the wrong one as males.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujRwl6dL9go
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DA RAIDERS
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jabarony
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I thought they made a new subforum dedicated to how terrible straight white males are. This thread should be moved there.
Ilov80s
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Oh so the old movies like Public Enemy and Scarface were lying, Roaring 20s gangsters didn't have tons of women around them? What about the casual acceptance of domestic violence against wives that existed up until only rather recently?
E Street Brat
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How about when they took prayer out of the classroom. Like that better? I'm pretty sure nobody can pinpoint when the shift happened.
Everything is fluid and has been since Adam ate the apple and the first ape slapped his enemy.
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Stuart Ullman
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Look at the demographics of Call of Duty, GI Joe, etc. Guns and obsession with guns is a male hobby.
Furthermore, it’s much easier for a man to be alone than a woman. Woman are constantly pursued. Men must pursue. A lonely man with a gun hobby is the recipe for these kinds of things.
Furthermore, it’s much easier for a man to be alone than a woman. Woman are constantly pursued. Men must pursue. A lonely man with a gun hobby is the recipe for these kinds of things.
Ilov80s
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I'm just saying its how it has always been. All that chivalrous knights and genteel South are BS myths. People have always been the same.
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DocHolliday
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Aerial Assault
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Mr. Know-It-All
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Wait a minute, why are we dividing groups by binary genders? I have been getting inundated with the idea that gender is fluid and you can be whatever you feel - so neatly categorizing by boy/girl or female/male seems to run contrary to the call for gender neutrality. I am appalled.
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Jayrod
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I have personally dealt this for decades. It took me a while to figure it out (kudos to wikkid for his part in helping me understand it).
Having grown up in sports and playing competitive football and basketball from ages 12-22, I developed some aggressive mental habits as well as my natural testosterone production. Then from 22 on, my focus and energy was placed on a desk job. An occasional rec league or pickup game was never enough to fill that void and when even those get taken away, I floundered...even to the point of depression.
Now that I'm 40, my testosterone is waning and I've changed careers to a more social, physical line of work. Those two things have allowed me to again feel "normal" or balanced.
While my life experience is vastly different from the typical mass shooters, I believe our issues are rooted in the same problem: we developed the aggressive fighting side of our lives through our childhood environments and as that mentality is suppressed and vilified, we don't know how to handle it. A kid who is abused/alone and lives in a dark world of violence gets out of HS and is told he is a loser, and a freak with no way to deal with his anger and aggression and the testosterone is still pumping. They then go to the fight (mass shooting) or flight (suicide) instinct. I'm sure there is more to it than that, but I imagine this plays a big part and is why girls never get there, they just don't have the testosterone driving and developing that outward aggression.
Bull Dozier
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I agree with a lot of what you say here, except the bolded, unless I am misunderstanding you. I don't think we are socialized to be aggressive as kids through play and sports. I think being aggressive is genetically who we are. That's why sports are popular and boys love them, not the other way around.
I may have misunderstood what you were getting at though.
Jayrod
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"Developed" may not have been the right word. I was trying to say that we nurtured or encouraged our aggression through our childhood environments. I agree it is there naturally, but that it is also increased through encouragement and use.
Bull Dozier
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It's a big nature vs nurture question for sure, but I don't really think there is a way to rid males of aggressive tendencies. I think definitely different males have different levels (just as we have different levels of testosterone), but to think we could get to a point where we can just teach males to not be aggressive, competitive, active, etc is wrong. It doesn't work.
A big problem I see in schools today is that they are geared for how girls work. I look at my boys days in their middle school (they are now both in high school, which is only slightly better) and it would have driven me crazy. Gym class only twice a week. Very short period of recess, where it isn't "cool" for the older kids to actively play anything. Then sit still in a class room for 8 hours a day while you have hormones and energy levels going crazy. It's insanity.
jamny
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As someone who doesn't have kids, I'd be interested to hear more from parents and teachers who can relate to how things have changed since we grew up. Is the lack of socialization really as drastic as people say? How does social media affect kids? Stuff like that.
I could name probably a half dozen weird loner type kids growing up who might have been capable of some levels of violence and we also had plenty of guys that were just plain bullies and would push around weaker kids. What has changed over the past 20-30 years to make kids and adults go on killing sprees?
Access to weapons? Growing up in NYC, I would never have known how to get a legal gun as a kid. But I'm sure there were plenty of guns around the rest of the country.
Medication? I don't think there's any doubt that some kids are being overmedicated.
Societal pressures that we didn't have as kids? Inundation of violent messages in all forms of media?
Lack of outlets to release energy, as described above?
We can and should look to limit the access of weapons to those who would harm others but it will never be effective without understanding the root causes. Do they still do PTA meetings? Are parents and teachers getting together to discuss problems in their community outside of sending emails? Do parents need to get more involved?
wikkidpissah
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And something Jayrod helped me understand when we were batting this around years ago was the role of faith in heading all this off. This ol' heathen ended up pointing J more deeply into his beliefs simply because it resolved him better than society could.
When our culture decided, a couple of gens ago, that personal freedom was the way to go, we threw ginormous babies out with the bathwater. We fairly well just tossed two pillars of society - parish & community - and severely altered another, family, as it had been known for millenia. In the end, this was probably for the best, but deciding to go out on a limb AND prune some branches at the same time might not have been the best idea.
I grew up knowing precisely what the world wanted from me. I was to believe and behave precisely as my ancestors had, only with more hope & charity to go with the faith due to improved circumstances. It may seem weird to people used to body art and multifarious personal & gender identifications but, in the world i was born into, if your cousin or brother-in-law got fired or divorced or tested community standards in any way with "unacceptable" displays of individuality, your entire family suffered the consequences. And belief was ingrained, more or less - if things went awry, not only did you have a handbook to go to but plenty of folks looking to hand you one if you'd tossed yours.
Then vroomp, we're all out there practicing the trick of who we are as individuals and, oh look, we've thrown away the net. In fact, a lot of the netminders are soooo pissed over losing their jobs that they're setting up spikes in the landing zones.
So, the first generation free to believe whatever they wanted chose largely to believe in nothing. Worse, they chose to believe in themselves. At the same time, we began watching boxes all evening fairly well based in schooling our selfishness. Bad luck, really. The theory of how that boobytrapped our insides is too involved for these pages, but it is there from which our shooters spring.
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Bull Dozier
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Are you suggesting that a lower churchgoing population is contributing to more school shootings?wikkidpissah said:
wikkidpissah
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One might make that connection, but that is far away from what i am implying. The lack of trustworthy answers for those fending for themselves behaviorally is most certainly a contributor, however.
Jayrod
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I think we could say the lack of being locked into a church community heading this off before it gets to a shooting spree is contributing.
Bull Dozier
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Politician Spock
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Women are just as aggressive as men. They just prefer passive aggressiveness to physical aggressiveness.
wikkidpissah
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WisWolvrns
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medications probably have part of it, found this article:
Fact: A disturbing number of perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on – or just recently coming off of – psychiatric medications. A few of the most high-profile examples, out of many others, include:
Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox – like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. Harris and fellow student Dylan Klebold went on a hellish school shooting rampage in 1999 during which they killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves. Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox – that’s one in 25 – developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.
Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, California, in 1989, which became the catalyst for the original legislative frenzy to ban “semiautomatic assault weapons” in California and the nation. The 25-year-old Purdy, who murdered five children and wounded 30, had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.
Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Oregon, and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.
In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Illinois, killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.
In Paducah, Kentucky, in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.
In 2005, 16-year-old Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.
In another famous case, 47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Kentucky, killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.
Kurt Danysh, 18, shot his own father to death in 1996, a little more than two weeks after starting on Prozac. Danysh’s description of own his mental-emotional state at the time of the murder is chilling: “I didn’t realize I did it until after it was done,” Danysh said. “This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun.”
John Hinckley, age 25, took four Valium two hours before shooting and almost killing President Ronald Reagan in 1981. In the assassination attempt, Hinckley also wounded press secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy and policeman Thomas Delahanty.
Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children – aged 7 years down to 6 months – in a bathtub. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates’ longtime friend
Debbie Holmes testified: “She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.” And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child: “What she described was feeling a presence … Satan … telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,” Ringholz said, adding that Yates’ delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change.And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation” – murderous thoughts – as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug. Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.
One more case is instructive, that of 12-year-old Christopher Pittman, who struggled in court to explain why he murdered his grandparents, who had provided the only love and stability he’d ever known in his turbulent life. “When I was lying in my bed that night,” he testified, “I couldn’t sleep because my voice in my head kept echoing through my mind telling me to kill them.” Christopher had been angry with his grandfather, who had disciplined him earlier that day for hurting another student during a fight on the school bus. So later that night, he shot both of his grandparents in the head with a .410 shotgun as they slept and then burned down their South Carolina home, where he had lived with them. “I got up, got the gun, and I went upstairs and I pulled the trigger,” he recalled. “Through the whole thing, it was like watching your favorite TV show. You know what is going to happen, but you can’t do anything to stop it.” Pittman’s lawyers would later argue that the boy had been a victim of “involuntary intoxication,” since his doctors had him taking the antidepressants Paxil and Zoloft just prior to the murders.
Paxil-TWPaxil’s known “adverse drug reactions” – according to the drug’s FDA-approved label – include “mania,” “insomnia,” “anxiety,” “agitation,” “confusion,” “amnesia,” “depression,” “paranoid reaction,” “psychosis,” “hostility,” “delirium,” “hallucinations,” “abnormal thinking,” “depersonalization” and “lack of emotion,” among others. The preceding examples are only a few of the best-known offenders who had been taking prescribed psychiatric drugs before committing their violent crimes – there are many others.
Whether we like to admit it or not, it is undeniable that when certain people living on the edge of sanity take psychiatric medications, those drugs can – and occasionally do – push them over the edge into violent madness. Remember, every single SSRI antidepressant sold in the United States of America today, no matter what brand or manufacturer, bears a “black box” FDA warning label – the government’s most serious drug warning – of “increased risks of suicidal thinking and behavior, known as suicidality, in young adults ages 18 to 24.” Common sense tells us that where there are suicidal thoughts – especially in a very, very angry person – homicidal thoughts may not be far behind. Indeed, the mass shooters we are describing often take their own lives when the police show up, having planned their suicide ahead of time.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/#DGFDIzVylIRurjTf.99
Fact: A disturbing number of perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on – or just recently coming off of – psychiatric medications. A few of the most high-profile examples, out of many others, include:
Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox – like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. Harris and fellow student Dylan Klebold went on a hellish school shooting rampage in 1999 during which they killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves. Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox – that’s one in 25 – developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.
Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, California, in 1989, which became the catalyst for the original legislative frenzy to ban “semiautomatic assault weapons” in California and the nation. The 25-year-old Purdy, who murdered five children and wounded 30, had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.
Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Oregon, and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.
In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Illinois, killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.
In Paducah, Kentucky, in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.
In 2005, 16-year-old Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.
In another famous case, 47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Kentucky, killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.
Kurt Danysh, 18, shot his own father to death in 1996, a little more than two weeks after starting on Prozac. Danysh’s description of own his mental-emotional state at the time of the murder is chilling: “I didn’t realize I did it until after it was done,” Danysh said. “This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun.”
John Hinckley, age 25, took four Valium two hours before shooting and almost killing President Ronald Reagan in 1981. In the assassination attempt, Hinckley also wounded press secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy and policeman Thomas Delahanty.
Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children – aged 7 years down to 6 months – in a bathtub. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates’ longtime friend
Debbie Holmes testified: “She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.” And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child: “What she described was feeling a presence … Satan … telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,” Ringholz said, adding that Yates’ delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change.And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation” – murderous thoughts – as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug. Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.
One more case is instructive, that of 12-year-old Christopher Pittman, who struggled in court to explain why he murdered his grandparents, who had provided the only love and stability he’d ever known in his turbulent life. “When I was lying in my bed that night,” he testified, “I couldn’t sleep because my voice in my head kept echoing through my mind telling me to kill them.” Christopher had been angry with his grandfather, who had disciplined him earlier that day for hurting another student during a fight on the school bus. So later that night, he shot both of his grandparents in the head with a .410 shotgun as they slept and then burned down their South Carolina home, where he had lived with them. “I got up, got the gun, and I went upstairs and I pulled the trigger,” he recalled. “Through the whole thing, it was like watching your favorite TV show. You know what is going to happen, but you can’t do anything to stop it.” Pittman’s lawyers would later argue that the boy had been a victim of “involuntary intoxication,” since his doctors had him taking the antidepressants Paxil and Zoloft just prior to the murders.
Paxil-TWPaxil’s known “adverse drug reactions” – according to the drug’s FDA-approved label – include “mania,” “insomnia,” “anxiety,” “agitation,” “confusion,” “amnesia,” “depression,” “paranoid reaction,” “psychosis,” “hostility,” “delirium,” “hallucinations,” “abnormal thinking,” “depersonalization” and “lack of emotion,” among others. The preceding examples are only a few of the best-known offenders who had been taking prescribed psychiatric drugs before committing their violent crimes – there are many others.
Whether we like to admit it or not, it is undeniable that when certain people living on the edge of sanity take psychiatric medications, those drugs can – and occasionally do – push them over the edge into violent madness. Remember, every single SSRI antidepressant sold in the United States of America today, no matter what brand or manufacturer, bears a “black box” FDA warning label – the government’s most serious drug warning – of “increased risks of suicidal thinking and behavior, known as suicidality, in young adults ages 18 to 24.” Common sense tells us that where there are suicidal thoughts – especially in a very, very angry person – homicidal thoughts may not be far behind. Indeed, the mass shooters we are describing often take their own lives when the police show up, having planned their suicide ahead of time.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2018/02/media-ignoring-1-crucial-factor-in-florida-school-shooting/#DGFDIzVylIRurjTf.99
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