Most Over Rated player of '07 (1 Viewer)

[ImTheScientist]

He hasn't played bad. Just hasn't been needed in the first two games. LT has played bad...1.9ypc average. Do you think that will continue? No. I think as the season goes on Maroney will be used more and more. He will finish top 10. It is still WAY to early in the season to consider bumping your own posts.

You must be new here.

Bumping your own posts after week 2 you would think you were.

 

[ceo3west]

He hasn't played bad. Just hasn't been needed in the first two games. LT has played bad...1.9ypc average. Do you think that will continue? No. I think as the season goes on Maroney will be used more and more. He will finish top 10. It is still WAY to early in the season to consider bumping your own posts.

Maroney will not approach top 10. There is no evidence whatsoever that BB will increase Maroney's workload. And the way Morris looks, I wouldn't be surprised if Maroney doesn't see a GL carry all year.

Where is the evidence that he won't increase his workload?

Because Morris looks as good, if not better than Maroney. Sammy might not have Corey Dillon's name, but he's got his role.

 

[ImTheScientist]

He hasn't played bad. Just hasn't been needed in the first two games. LT has played bad...1.9ypc average. Do you think that will continue? No. I think as the season goes on Maroney will be used more and more. He will finish top 10. It is still WAY to early in the season to consider bumping your own posts.

I concur with this statement althoughtop 10 may be a reach..... top 12-15, imo.

If he scores that TD instead of Morris last night everyone's perception would be different. He looks GREAT when he gets a chance. He is too important to the Pats plans to risk injury early on by giving him carries for no reason. He will get his......but a lot of people are jumping ship way too early IMO.

 

[fsufan]

maroney is just who we thought he was.it's tomlinson that's the most overrated of '07.how embarrassing is it, do you think, to pop off like that and then completely fail to produce?

he socred 20 FF PTs week one. SD just had a bad game last night. rest of SD's scheduleSep 23 @Green Bay 1:00pm Sep 30 Kansas City 4:15pm Oct 7 @Denver 4:15pm Oct 14 Oakland 4:15pm Week 7 BYE Oct 28 Houston 4:05pm Nov 4 @Minnesota 1:00pm Nov 11 Indianapolis 8:15pm Nov 18 @Jacksonville 1:00pm Nov 25 Baltimore 4:15pm Dec 2 @Kansas City 1:00pm Dec 9 @Tennessee 1:00pm- FF playoffs Dec 16 Detroit 4:15pm- FF playoffs Dec 24 Denver 8:00pm- FF SB Dec 30 @Oakland

 

[ImTheScientist]

He hasn't played bad. Just hasn't been needed in the first two games. LT has played bad...1.9ypc average. Do you think that will continue? No. I think as the season goes on Maroney will be used more and more. He will finish top 10. It is still WAY to early in the season to consider bumping your own posts.

Maroney will not approach top 10. There is no evidence whatsoever that BB will increase Maroney's workload. And the way Morris looks, I wouldn't be surprised if Maroney doesn't see a GL carry all year.

Where is the evidence that he won't increase his workload?

Because Morris looks as good, if not better than Maroney. Sammy might not have Corey Dillon's name, but he's got his role.

We will just have to not agree on this then.

 

[Cerwin]

Maroney will be riding the bench in the fantasy world for a week or two until Belicheat gives him a bigger role.

 

[stbugs]

He hasn't played bad. Just hasn't been needed in the first two games. LT has played bad...1.9ypc average. Do you think that will continue? No. I think as the season goes on Maroney will be used more and more. He will finish top 10. It is still WAY to early in the season to consider bumping your own posts.

I concur with this statement althoughtop 10 may be a reach..... top 12-15, imo.

If he scores that TD instead of Morris last night everyone's perception would be different. He looks GREAT when he gets a chance. He is too important to the Pats plans to risk injury early on by giving him carries for no reason. He will get his......but a lot of people are jumping ship way too early IMO.

I have no dog in this other than being a Brady owner and knowing that Brady is looking like he will best his career TD high of 28 (I think?) easily this year. I think Brady will be taking a lot of Dillon's past couple year TD production away.As to your bolded point, it makes no sense. You say that Maroney is too important to risk injury early, yet he got 7 of his 15 carries on the drive that put NE up 38-14, i.e. 4th Quarter of a game that they had well in hand. Up to that point, Morris had 9 carries to Maroney's 8. If Maroney really was that important, then why did it seem like Morris and he were alternating drives? They seemed interchangeable to me and that isn't good as a Maroney owner, especially since Brady is already eating into the rushing TDs.

 

[ceo3west]

He hasn't played bad. Just hasn't been needed in the first two games. LT has played bad...1.9ypc average. Do you think that will continue? No. I think as the season goes on Maroney will be used more and more. He will finish top 10. It is still WAY to early in the season to consider bumping your own posts.

I concur with this statement althoughtop 10 may be a reach..... top 12-15, imo.

If he scores that TD instead of Morris last night everyone's perception would be different. He looks GREAT when he gets a chance. He is too important to the Pats plans to risk injury early on by giving him carries for no reason. He will get his......but a lot of people are jumping ship way too early IMO.

I have no dog in this other than being a Brady owner and knowing that Brady is looking like he will best his career TD high of 28 (I think?) easily this year. I think Brady will be taking a lot of Dillon's past couple year TD production away.As to your bolded point, it makes no sense. You say that Maroney is too important to risk injury early, yet he got 7 of his 15 carries on the drive that put NE up 38-14, i.e. 4th Quarter of a game that they had well in hand. Up to that point, Morris had 9 carries to Maroney's 8. If Maroney really was that important, then why did it seem like Morris and he were alternating drives? They seemed interchangeable to me and that isn't good as a Maroney owner, especially since Brady is already eating into the rushing TDs.

Exactly. Even more evidence that Maroney's workload will not be increased later in the season when he's "fully recovered" from shoulder surgery. Maroney owners are in denial that a guy taken 15 rounds after him has as much value.

 

[ImTheScientist]

He hasn't played bad. Just hasn't been needed in the first two games. LT has played bad...1.9ypc average. Do you think that will continue? No. I think as the season goes on Maroney will be used more and more. He will finish top 10. It is still WAY to early in the season to consider bumping your own posts.

I concur with this statement althoughtop 10 may be a reach..... top 12-15, imo.

If he scores that TD instead of Morris last night everyone's perception would be different. He looks GREAT when he gets a chance. He is too important to the Pats plans to risk injury early on by giving him carries for no reason. He will get his......but a lot of people are jumping ship way too early IMO.

I have no dog in this other than being a Brady owner and knowing that Brady is looking like he will best his career TD high of 28 (I think?) easily this year. I think Brady will be taking a lot of Dillon's past couple year TD production away.As to your bolded point, it makes no sense. You say that Maroney is too important to risk injury early, yet he got 7 of his 15 carries on the drive that put NE up 38-14, i.e. 4th Quarter of a game that they had well in hand. Up to that point, Morris had 9 carries to Maroney's 8. If Maroney really was that important, then why did it seem like Morris and he were alternating drives? They seemed interchangeable to me and that isn't good as a Maroney owner, especially since Brady is already eating into the rushing TDs.

You want your starting running back up to game speed. This is why he recieved those carries.

 

[red]

He hasn't played bad. Just hasn't been needed in the first two games. LT has played bad...1.9ypc average. Do you think that will continue? No. I think as the season goes on Maroney will be used more and more. He will finish top 10. It is still WAY to early in the season to consider bumping your own posts.

I concur with this statement althoughtop 10 may be a reach..... top 12-15, imo.

If he scores that TD instead of Morris last night everyone's perception would be different. He looks GREAT when he gets a chance. He is too important to the Pats plans to risk injury early on by giving him carries for no reason. He will get his......but a lot of people are jumping ship way too early IMO.

I have no dog in this other than being a Brady owner and knowing that Brady is looking like he will best his career TD high of 28 (I think?) easily this year. I think Brady will be taking a lot of Dillon's past couple year TD production away.As to your bolded point, it makes no sense. You say that Maroney is too important to risk injury early, yet he got 7 of his 15 carries on the drive that put NE up 38-14, i.e. 4th Quarter of a game that they had well in hand. Up to that point, Morris had 9 carries to Maroney's 8. If Maroney really was that important, then why did it seem like Morris and he were alternating drives? They seemed interchangeable to me and that isn't good as a Maroney owner, especially since Brady is already eating into the rushing TDs.

You want your starting running back up to game speed. This is why he recieved those carries.

protect the ball (no TO), grind out the yards, eat up the clock. coaches put the ball in the hands of THE RB who they trust to not turn the possession over and make the game exciting for the other team.aka WORKHORSE

 

[twitch]

I dont own Maroney, and I cant say he hasnt been a big dissapointment to this point for anyone who took him in the 1st round. Coming off the surgery and having little work in the preseason, its not a shock. But its far too early and NE is far too good to expect that Maroney wont have some HUGE games against the Buffalos and Clevelands of the world. And the passing attack established will clearly have Ds focusing more on Moss and Brady then LM. Their next 4 games are against Buffalo, Cinci, Cleveland and Dallas. And against those 4 teams, theyre going to run and run hard. If youre 0-2 with Maroney so far, oh well. Hang tough. If youre 1-1 with your head above water, then kick back and hopefully enjoy the next 4 weeks. Because if you know anything about New England, you know they like to share the wealth. And I guarantee those coaches are aware that LM hasnt been asked to do a whole lot to this point. Ive got a feeling, that's about to change.

 

[David Yudkin]

Because if you know anything about New England, you know they like to share the wealth.

I have argued this for years, and IMO they go to who they feel is the best option. Up until now, they have not had elite talent in the receiving game and Moss is light years ahead of the receivers they've had in the Brady era. Welker has also already shown that he is a great underneath option.Maroney has suffered from the Pats being so successful passing the ball and the team getting out to quick leads. I know that sounds backwards, but Maroney's game is more based on getting outside and movement in space. He is not a great ball pounder and is not tailored to going up the middle and moving a pile.IMO, the Pats have run the ball this year has been to extend drives and kill the clock. That is time better suited for Morris or Evans than Maroney. Maroney will do well when and if the team has a more even to run/pass ratio throughout the entire game and they don't throw for 300 yards.Maroney probably won't live up to the hype that prompted him to be a first round pick, but he may do enough to earn back his draft position for those that took him in the second round. One would hope that the Pats won't be able to beat every team by three touchdowns this year.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Because if you know anything about New England, you know they like to share the wealth.

I have argued this for years, and IMO they go to who they feel is the best option. Up until now, they have not had elite talent in the receiving game and Moss is light years ahead of the receivers they've had in the Brady era. Welker has also already shown that he is a great underneath option.Maroney has suffered from the Pats being so successful passing the ball and the team getting out to quick leads. I know that sounds backwards, but Maroney's game is more based on getting outside and movement in space. He is not a great ball pounder and is not tailored to going up the middle and moving a pile.IMO, the Pats have run the ball this year has been to extend drives and kill the clock. That is time better suited for Morris or Evans than Maroney. Maroney will do well when and if the team has a more even to run/pass ratio throughout the entire game and they don't throw for 300 yards.Maroney probably won't live up to the hype that prompted him to be a first round pick, but he may do enough to earn back his draft position for those that took him in the second round. One would hope that the Pats won't be able to beat every team by three touchdowns this year.

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

 

[David Yudkin]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

The Pats right now are getting insane line play. If that keeps up, I doubt that anyone will be fully able to stop the pass, as some plays Brady is getting three days to pick a receiver and is just standing in the pocket.

 

[zamboni]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

Easier said than done. Double or triple Moss and that leaves any or all of Welker, Stallworth or Watson in single coverage (or all alone). And you know Brady will find any of them.

 

[yesitsme]

Yah, I'd say Maroney and Maurice Drew Jones as the most overrated. I know Evans hasn't done squat but I think he's got some game coming where these other guys may not have much and they were picked about 2 to 3 roudns ahead of him.

 

[LHUCKS]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

Ding, Ding.Also, the Pats have blown out their first two opponents. The Pats will have some letdown games which will require closer games.The being said, at this pace the Pats are going to lock up homefield by week 13...not good for fantasy playoffs.

 

[ceo3west]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

The Pats right now are getting insane line play. If that keeps up, I doubt that anyone will be fully able to stop the pass, as some plays Brady is getting three days to pick a receiver and is just standing in the pocket.

Even if teams somehow force NE to run, I see no reason to beleive Maroney will become the "workhorse" that folks here envision. BB said it himself - he wasn't the one that stated the Pats have a "feature back". Unless Morris stops producing the way he has been, I can't see Maroney's carries increasing in proportion to Morris. If I was a Maroney owner, I'd be selling while his value is still decent.

 

[yesitsme]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

Ding, Ding.Also, the Pats have been blown out their first two opponents. The Pats will have some letdown games which will require closer games.The being said, at this pace the Pats are going to lock up homefield by week 13...not good for fantasy playoffs.

What you're not taking into account is it's not defending the pass that's the real problem.If you've watched the Patriot games, you will see that there's very LITTLE pressure applied to Tom Brady. The offensive line for New England is absolutely dominating. It's not just as easy as saying, we're going to defend the pass.You have to start beating the guys up front and applying pressure. This may require more blitzing but then you'll leave Moss 1 on 1 on some deep routes but IMO if you are to even have a chance at beating the Patriots, you MUST put pressure on Tom Brady. In fact, I'd bring the pressure straight up the middle as he's not the most mobile of guys.

 

[One]

I'm feelin' kinda bad for Maroney owners. Two blowout wins and Maroney has yet to eclipse 100 or even score a TD?

There's no doubt in my mind that Maroney will have a few big games, but blowouts like last night should have been RB garbage-time gravy.

You just never know with NE.

 

[LHUCKS]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

Ding, Ding.Also, the Pats have been blown out their first two opponents. The Pats will have some letdown games which will require closer games.The being said, at this pace the Pats are going to lock up homefield by week 13...not good for fantasy playoffs.

What you're not taking into account is it's not defending the pass that's the real problem.

I consider rushing the passer part of defending the pass.

 

[twitch]

Because if you know anything about New England, you know they like to share the wealth.

I have argued this for years, and IMO they go to who they feel is the best option. Up until now, they have not had elite talent in the receiving game and Moss is light years ahead of the receivers they've had in the Brady era. Welker has also already shown that he is a great underneath option.Maroney has suffered from the Pats being so successful passing the ball and the team getting out to quick leads. I know that sounds backwards, but Maroney's game is more based on getting outside and movement in space. He is not a great ball pounder and is not tailored to going up the middle and moving a pile.

IMO, the Pats have run the ball this year has been to extend drives and kill the clock. That is time better suited for Morris or Evans than Maroney. Maroney will do well when and if the team has a more even to run/pass ratio throughout the entire game and they don't throw for 300 yards.

Maroney probably won't live up to the hype that prompted him to be a first round pick, but he may do enough to earn back his draft position for those that took him in the second round. One would hope that the Pats won't be able to beat every team by three touchdowns this year.

I think theyre going to continue to blow alot of teams out. Buffalo, Cleveland and Cinci are 3 blowouts waiting to happen. Dallas should be a better game. But the Jets and SD are 2 playoff teams from a year ago, that are each better defensively stopping the run imo then any of the Pats next 4 opponents. New England has beaten 2 teams that were a combined 24-8 a year ago by a total of 48 points. So, whether or not theyre going to clobber teams is almost not even worth discussing. Its going to happen. But Maroney owners can only hope that the teams NE plays will be just miserable against the run, so when they do blow them out, atleast they choose to do it more running the ball.

 

[David Yudkin]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

The Pats right now are getting insane line play. If that keeps up, I doubt that anyone will be fully able to stop the pass, as some plays Brady is getting three days to pick a receiver and is just standing in the pocket.

Even if teams somehow force NE to run, I see no reason to beleive Maroney will become the "workhorse" that folks here envision. BB said it himself - he wasn't the one that stated the Pats have a "feature back". Unless Morris stops producing the way he has been, I can't see Maroney's carries increasing in proportion to Morris. If I was a Maroney owner, I'd be selling while his value is still decent.

Read what I wrote a few posts ago. The game conditions have not been to Maroney's favor. He's good at getting to the outside and the Pats have used Morris to run up the gut.I said all offseason that Maroney would get 275-285 carries this year, with around 1500 total yards and a total of around 10 TD.He's on pace for 280 carries and 1200 rushing yards. He's yet to see a pass or a scoring chance, and that's the only thing that to me has been somewhat off from what I saw happening. I suspected that the Pats would do much better passing, but not this well.

 

[twitch]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

The Pats right now are getting insane line play. If that keeps up, I doubt that anyone will be fully able to stop the pass, as some plays Brady is getting three days to pick a receiver and is just standing in the pocket.

Even if teams somehow force NE to run, I see no reason to beleive Maroney will become the "workhorse" that folks here envision. BB said it himself - he wasn't the one that stated the Pats have a "feature back". Unless Morris stops producing the way he has been, I can't see Maroney's carries increasing in proportion to Morris. If I was a Maroney owner, I'd be selling while his value is still decent.

just a reminder of what MJ-D did last year with an equally low proportion of touches. problem with that comparison is that Maroney wont catch alot of passes. But I think guys thinking about moving Maroney should at minimum wait 3 or 4 weeks so they can benefit from his upcoming schedule and let his value rise up to where he needs to be.

 

[yesitsme]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

Ding, Ding.Also, the Pats have been blown out their first two opponents. The Pats will have some letdown games which will require closer games.The being said, at this pace the Pats are going to lock up homefield by week 13...not good for fantasy playoffs.

What you're not taking into account is it's not defending the pass that's the real problem.

I consider rushing the passer part of defending the pass.

I'm just zeroing in on the real problem. It's not the lack of quality coverage, although I've seen some bad play on some of these secondaries........it's not seeing Brady getting thumped.To Peyton Manning's credit, if you saw the Tennessee game, you saw Peyton Manning getting hit and hit hard. He was picking his butt up off the ground. Tom Brady's had it extremely easy. Now, that's just giving credit to the O-line. He may have it easy all season and if he does...Kudos.I'm just saying, to beat them you have to pressure Tom Brady. If it's not possible because they're too good, then so be it. But I know I'd practice disguising blitzes, making it harder for him to figure things out and more than not bring the heat. Even if the darn thing is complete, get there so he's picking himself off the turf and there's not a smile on his face.

 

[ImTheScientist]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

The Pats right now are getting insane line play. If that keeps up, I doubt that anyone will be fully able to stop the pass, as some plays Brady is getting three days to pick a receiver and is just standing in the pocket.

Even if teams somehow force NE to run, I see no reason to beleive Maroney will become the "workhorse" that folks here envision. BB said it himself - he wasn't the one that stated the Pats have a "feature back". Unless Morris stops producing the way he has been, I can't see Maroney's carries increasing in proportion to Morris. If I was a Maroney owner, I'd be selling while his value is still decent.

Read what I wrote a few posts ago. The game conditions have not been to Maroney's favor. He's good at getting to the outside and the Pats have used Morris to run up the gut.I said all offseason that Maroney would get 275-285 carries this year, with around 1500 total yards and a total of around 10 TD.

He's on pace for 280 carries and 1200 rushing yards. He's yet to see a pass or a scoring chance, and that's the only thing that to me has been somewhat off from what I saw happening. I suspected that the Pats would do much better passing, but not this well.

I agree with this.

 

[David Yudkin]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

Ding, Ding.Also, the Pats have been blown out their first two opponents. The Pats will have some letdown games which will require closer games.The being said, at this pace the Pats are going to lock up homefield by week 13...not good for fantasy playoffs.

What you're not taking into account is it's not defending the pass that's the real problem.

I consider rushing the passer part of defending the pass.

I'm just zeroing in on the real problem. It's not the lack of quality coverage, although I've seen some bad play on some of these secondaries........it's not seeing Brady getting thumped.To Peyton Manning's credit, if you saw the Tennessee game, you saw Peyton Manning getting hit and hit hard. He was picking his butt up off the ground. Tom Brady's had it extremely easy. Now, that's just giving credit to the O-line. He may have it easy all season and if he does...Kudos.I'm just saying, to beat them you have to pressure Tom Brady. If it's not possible because they're too good, then so be it. But I know I'd practice disguising blitzes, making it harder for him to figure things out and more than not bring the heat. Even if the darn thing is complete, get there so he's picking himself off the turf and there's not a smile on his face.

The other point mentioning is how the Pats defense is playing. If the defense continues to play this well, that will only help the offense.

 

[ceo3west]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

The Pats right now are getting insane line play. If that keeps up, I doubt that anyone will be fully able to stop the pass, as some plays Brady is getting three days to pick a receiver and is just standing in the pocket.

Even if teams somehow force NE to run, I see no reason to beleive Maroney will become the "workhorse" that folks here envision. BB said it himself - he wasn't the one that stated the Pats have a "feature back". Unless Morris stops producing the way he has been, I can't see Maroney's carries increasing in proportion to Morris. If I was a Maroney owner, I'd be selling while his value is still decent.

Read what I wrote a few posts ago. The game conditions have not been to Maroney's favor. He's good at getting to the outside and the Pats have used Morris to run up the gut.I said all offseason that Maroney would get 275-285 carries this year, with around 1500 total yards and a total of around 10 TD.

He's on pace for 280 carries and 1200 rushing yards. He's yet to see a pass or a scoring chance, and that's the only thing that to me has been somewhat off from what I saw happening. I suspected that the Pats would do much better passing, but not this well.

Sounds like a GL back to me..The 1200 rushing yard projection for Maroney is probably spot-on, but he won't come close to the 10 TD's IMO. That makes him a good RB3, but not even close to first-round value.

 

[David Yudkin]

You would think eventually teams would defend the Pass and make the Pats beat them with the run

The Pats right now are getting insane line play. If that keeps up, I doubt that anyone will be fully able to stop the pass, as some plays Brady is getting three days to pick a receiver and is just standing in the pocket.

Even if teams somehow force NE to run, I see no reason to beleive Maroney will become the "workhorse" that folks here envision. BB said it himself - he wasn't the one that stated the Pats have a "feature back". Unless Morris stops producing the way he has been, I can't see Maroney's carries increasing in proportion to Morris. If I was a Maroney owner, I'd be selling while his value is still decent.

Read what I wrote a few posts ago. The game conditions have not been to Maroney's favor. He's good at getting to the outside and the Pats have used Morris to run up the gut.I said all offseason that Maroney would get 275-285 carries this year, with around 1500 total yards and a total of around 10 TD.

He's on pace for 280 carries and 1200 rushing yards. He's yet to see a pass or a scoring chance, and that's the only thing that to me has been somewhat off from what I saw happening. I suspected that the Pats would do much better passing, but not this well.

Sounds like a GL back to me..The 1200 rushing yard projection for Maroney is probably spot-on, but he won't come close to the 10 TD's IMO. That makes him a good RB3, but not even close to first-round value.

I went over this in one of the Maroney threads. Maroney had 7 TDs last year and IIRC only got 7 touches inside the 5-yard line. He was not a goal line back last year either. He should see a few more scoring chances this year, but not a ton.I felt his upside was the bottom of the Top 10, but a realistic chance of ranking in the 8-12 range. I still think that he could accomplish that, but obviosuly where and when he gets tha ball may impact that.

 

[Joe T]

Let's turn the tables here on Joe T . . .The Pats as a team had499 rushing attempts1969 rushing yards3.95 ypc20 rushing TDThe RB corps chipped in roughly 90 receptions, 750 receiving yards, and 4 receiving TD.WHAT DO YOU SEE THE PATRIOTS RB CORPS PRODUCING THIS YEAR AND WHO PUTS UP WHAT NUMBERS?

Fair enough.I'd go:Maroney 238 1019 6Morris 125 454 4Faulk 37 126 0Hairston/Smith 39 127 0Pats= 439 1726 9Maroney receiving = 29 254 1This would put Maroney around RB 17 or 18.

The main issue here (at least for me) is that Maroney only would score 7 TD with roughly 260-270 touches. I am a big believer in randomness of TD opportunities so that certainly could happen.However, that would match Maroney's total from last year with roughly 80-90 more touches.My next question would be if the Pats RBs dropped from 24 to 11 TD, is Tom Brady going to have 40 TD this year?

bump for yudkin

 

[David Yudkin]

Let's turn the tables here on Joe T . . .The Pats as a team had499 rushing attempts1969 rushing yards3.95 ypc20 rushing TDThe RB corps chipped in roughly 90 receptions, 750 receiving yards, and 4 receiving TD.WHAT DO YOU SEE THE PATRIOTS RB CORPS PRODUCING THIS YEAR AND WHO PUTS UP WHAT NUMBERS?

Fair enough.I'd go:Maroney 238 1019 6Morris 125 454 4Faulk 37 126 0Hairston/Smith 39 127 0Pats= 439 1726 9Maroney receiving = 29 254 1This would put Maroney around RB 17 or 18.

The main issue here (at least for me) is that Maroney only would score 7 TD with roughly 260-270 touches. I am a big believer in randomness of TD opportunities so that certainly could happen.However, that would match Maroney's total from last year with roughly 80-90 more touches.My next question would be if the Pats RBs dropped from 24 to 11 TD, is Tom Brady going to have 40 TD this year?

bump for yudkin

Was there something in particular that this pertained to?The Pats are on track for 552 rushing attempts, 2224 rushing yards, and 16 TD.

 

[stbugs]

He hasn't played bad. Just hasn't been needed in the first two games. LT has played bad...1.9ypc average. Do you think that will continue? No. I think as the season goes on Maroney will be used more and more. He will finish top 10. It is still WAY to early in the season to consider bumping your own posts.

I concur with this statement althoughtop 10 may be a reach..... top 12-15, imo.

If he scores that TD instead of Morris last night everyone's perception would be different. He looks GREAT when he gets a chance. He is too important to the Pats plans to risk injury early on by giving him carries for no reason. He will get his......but a lot of people are jumping ship way too early IMO.

I have no dog in this other than being a Brady owner and knowing that Brady is looking like he will best his career TD high of 28 (I think?) easily this year. I think Brady will be taking a lot of Dillon's past couple year TD production away.As to your bolded point, it makes no sense. You say that Maroney is too important to risk injury early, yet he got 7 of his 15 carries on the drive that put NE up 38-14, i.e. 4th Quarter of a game that they had well in hand. Up to that point, Morris had 9 carries to Maroney's 8. If Maroney really was that important, then why did it seem like Morris and he were alternating drives? They seemed interchangeable to me and that isn't good as a Maroney owner, especially since Brady is already eating into the rushing TDs.

You want your starting running back up to game speed. This is why he recieved those carries.

protect the ball (no TO), grind out the yards, eat up the clock. coaches put the ball in the hands of THE RB who they trust to not turn the possession over and make the game exciting for the other team.aka WORKHORSE

Man, these are some gems. Again, I really don't care much at all, but it looks to me to be just like 2006.

I do agree that NFL coaches put the ball in the hands of their workhorse to run down the clock with a 17 point lead. When the game is in doubt in the first 3 quarters is when NFL coaches go to the backup to give him more carries than the starter. They do that just so that they can keep the starter fresh to grind out the yards with a 17 point lead in the 4th quarter. Oh, and they also take the starter out on the goal line of the grind it out, end the game drive just to make sure he stays fresh since he got half his total game carries on that drive with a 17 point lead in the 4th quarter.

 

[Joe T]

Was there something in particular that this pertained to?

The Pats are on track for 552 rushing attempts, 2224 rushing yards, and 16 TD.

"On track for" after 2 games.... I thought you were better than this.

Randy Moss is "on track for" 2304 yards and 24 touchdowns.

Perhaps bagger was right about you.

 

[ceo3west]

He hasn't played bad. Just hasn't been needed in the first two games. LT has played bad...1.9ypc average. Do you think that will continue? No. I think as the season goes on Maroney will be used more and more. He will finish top 10. It is still WAY to early in the season to consider bumping your own posts.

I concur with this statement althoughtop 10 may be a reach..... top 12-15, imo.

If he scores that TD instead of Morris last night everyone's perception would be different. He looks GREAT when he gets a chance. He is too important to the Pats plans to risk injury early on by giving him carries for no reason. He will get his......but a lot of people are jumping ship way too early IMO.

I have no dog in this other than being a Brady owner and knowing that Brady is looking like he will best his career TD high of 28 (I think?) easily this year. I think Brady will be taking a lot of Dillon's past couple year TD production away.As to your bolded point, it makes no sense. You say that Maroney is too important to risk injury early, yet he got 7 of his 15 carries on the drive that put NE up 38-14, i.e. 4th Quarter of a game that they had well in hand. Up to that point, Morris had 9 carries to Maroney's 8. If Maroney really was that important, then why did it seem like Morris and he were alternating drives? They seemed interchangeable to me and that isn't good as a Maroney owner, especially since Brady is already eating into the rushing TDs.

You want your starting running back up to game speed. This is why he recieved those carries.

protect the ball (no TO), grind out the yards, eat up the clock. coaches put the ball in the hands of THE RB who they trust to not turn the possession over and make the game exciting for the other team.aka WORKHORSE

Man, these are some gems. Again, I really don't care much at all, but it looks to me to be just like 2006.

I do agree that NFL coaches put the ball in the hands of their workhorse to run down the clock with a 17 point lead. When the game is in doubt in the first 3 quarters is when NFL coaches go to the backup to give him more carries than the starter. They do that just so that they can keep the starter fresh to grind out the yards with a 17 point lead in the 4th quarter. Oh, and they also take the starter out on the goal line of the grind it out, end the game drive just to make sure he stays fresh since he got half his total game carries on that drive with a 17 point lead in the 4th quarter.

Post of the day

 

[Joe T]

June 27th, 2007Maroney is the #10 overall concensus player according to the FBG expert redraft rankings.I'll submit that this is way too high for this guy.Here are the reasons he should be dropped to the mid to late second round:1. He can't carry the full load in New England. He doesn't have the size to be a 300+ carry back which puts him at a disadvantage to perform up to this position in the draft.2. New England is going to be extremely pass happy this season with all their new receivers so again, Maroney will not have the opportunity to perform to this high of a position.3. He had less than 1,000 total yards last year and has no history of being able to produce more.I expect him to be moving down in the coming weeks.

 

[KellysHeroes]

well... if it true that Morris has a broken arm or something.... its Maroney time.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

June 27th, 2007Maroney is the #10 overall concensus player according to the FBG expert redraft rankings.I'll submit that this is way too high for this guy.Here are the reasons he should be dropped to the mid to late second round:1. He can't carry the full load in New England. He doesn't have the size to be a 300+ carry back which puts him at a disadvantage to perform up to this position in the draft.2. New England is going to be extremely pass happy this season with all their new receivers so again, Maroney will not have the opportunity to perform to this high of a position.3. He had less than 1,000 total yards last year and has no history of being able to produce more.I expect him to be moving down in the coming weeks.

More sage advice

 

[The Kansas Comet]

well... if it true that Morris has a broken arm or something.... its Maroney time.

Or Heath Evans time, or the kid from Navy time. With Belichick, who really knows? I hope it is Maroney time, but I'm not planning on it.

 

[David Yudkin]

well... if it true that Morris has a broken arm or something.... its Maroney time.

Or Heath Evans time, or the kid from Navy time. With Belichick, who really knows? I hope it is Maroney time, but I'm not planning on it.

I doubt it will be Maroney time to the extent people would want it to be. I still stand by my prediction that NE will usually limit Maroney to 15-18 carries with a slim chance of hitting 20 once in a while.If Morris is indeed out for awhile, I would think that Manroney would get his usual workload and the other RBs would divide what Morris was getting.If that still was not working well enough, NE has shown they are perfectly happy and capable in utilizing a ball control, short passing game and Brady could carve people up on 5-6 yard plays and still have a 8-10 minute drive.I DO NOT see NE giving Maroney a huge workload just because Morris might be out.

 

[bostonfred]

Was there something in particular that this pertained to?

The Pats are on track for 552 rushing attempts, 2224 rushing yards, and 16 TD.

"On track for" after 2 games.... I thought you were better than this.

Randy Moss is "on track for" 2304 yards and 24 touchdowns.

Perhaps bagger was right about you.

You were right. Moss is only on target for 1600 yards and 22 TDs now. 2304/24 would just be silly.

 

[Joe T]

June 27th, 2007Maroney is the #10 overall concensus player according to the FBG expert redraft rankings.I'll submit that this is way too high for this guy.Here are the reasons he should be dropped to the mid to late second round:1. He can't carry the full load in New England. He doesn't have the size to be a 300+ carry back which puts him at a disadvantage to perform up to this position in the draft.2. New England is going to be extremely pass happy this season with all their new receivers so again, Maroney will not have the opportunity to perform to this high of a position.3. He had less than 1,000 total yards last year and has no history of being able to produce more.I expect him to be moving down in the coming weeks.

 

[ScottNorwood]

June 27th, 2007Maroney is the #10 overall concensus player according to the FBG expert redraft rankings.I'll submit that this is way too high for this guy.Here are the reasons he should be dropped to the mid to late second round:1. He can't carry the full load in New England. He doesn't have the size to be a 300+ carry back which puts him at a disadvantage to perform up to this position in the draft.2. New England is going to be extremely pass happy this season with all their new receivers so again, Maroney will not have the opportunity to perform to this high of a position.3. He had less than 1,000 total yards last year and has no history of being able to produce more.I expect him to be moving down in the coming weeks.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

great call.

But really alot of the top 20 were huge busts

 

[ScoobyDoo]

The running back position in general is the biggest bust.

 

[Sleeper 43]

June 27th, 2007

Maroney is the #10 overall concensus player according to the FBG expert redraft rankings.

I'll submit that this is way too high for this guy.

Here are the reasons he should be dropped to the mid to late second round:

1. He can't carry the full load in New England. He doesn't have the size to be a 300+ carry back which puts him at a disadvantage to perform up to this position in the draft.

2. New England is going to be extremely pass happy this season with all their new receivers so again, Maroney will not have the opportunity to perform to this high of a position.

3. He had less than 1,000 total yards last year and has no history of being able to produce more.

I expect him to be moving down in the coming weeks.

A bust to me is when someone got a shot and failed. Not the case here and I think hes been able to play for awhile now but Belichick wants to save him for the winter. If hes given the opportunity and fails then you can pat yourself on the back. I will say nice work on calling them pass happy in advance.

 

[ceo3west]

June 27th, 2007

Maroney is the #10 overall concensus player according to the FBG expert redraft rankings.

I'll submit that this is way too high for this guy.

Here are the reasons he should be dropped to the mid to late second round:

1. He can't carry the full load in New England. He doesn't have the size to be a 300+ carry back which puts him at a disadvantage to perform up to this position in the draft.

2. New England is going to be extremely pass happy this season with all their new receivers so again, Maroney will not have the opportunity to perform to this high of a position.

3. He had less than 1,000 total yards last year and has no history of being able to produce more.

I expect him to be moving down in the coming weeks.

A bust to me is when someone got a shot and failed. Not the case here and I think hes been able to play for awhile now but Belichick wants to save him for the winter. If hes given the opportunity and fails then you can pat yourself on the back. I will say nice work on calling them pass happy in advance.

Sorry, but this statement is ridiculous.

 

[bostonfred]

Was there something in particular that this pertained to?

The Pats are on track for 552 rushing attempts, 2224 rushing yards, and 16 TD.

"On track for" after 2 games.... I thought you were better than this.

Randy Moss is "on track for" 2304 yards and 24 touchdowns.

Perhaps bagger was right about you.

You were right. Moss is only on target for 1600 yards and 22 TDs now. 2304/24 would just be silly.

Update: Moss now "on track" for 1700 yards and 26 TDs. On track after ten games. I thought you were better than this.

 

[bostonfred]

I'd go:Maroney 238 1019 6Morris 125 454 4Faulk 37 126 0Hairston/Smith 39 127 0Pats= 439 1726 9Maroney receiving = 29 254 1This would put Maroney around RB 17 or 18.

 

[Tanner9919]

June 27th, 2007Maroney is the #10 overall concensus player according to the FBG expert redraft rankings.I'll submit that this is way too high for this guy.Here are the reasons he should be dropped to the mid to late second round:1. He can't carry the full load in New England. He doesn't have the size to be a 300+ carry back which puts him at a disadvantage to perform up to this position in the draft.2. New England is going to be extremely pass happy this season with all their new receivers so again, Maroney will not have the opportunity to perform to this high of a position.3. He had less than 1,000 total yards last year and has no history of being able to produce more.I expect him to be moving down in the coming weeks.

Maroney has been a bust for sure, but McNabb has to be mentioned as most overrated player of 2007, along with Gore.Neither has done much of anything this season..

 

[Joe T]

Let's turn the tables here on Joe T . . .The Pats as a team had499 rushing attempts1969 rushing yards3.95 ypc20 rushing TDThe RB corps chipped in roughly 90 receptions, 750 receiving yards, and 4 receiving TD.WHAT DO YOU SEE THE PATRIOTS RB CORPS PRODUCING THIS YEAR AND WHO PUTS UP WHAT NUMBERS?

Fair enough.I'd go:Maroney 238 1019 6Morris 125 454 4Faulk 37 126 0Hairston/Smith 39 127 0Pats= 439 1726 9Maroney receiving = 29 254 1This would put Maroney around RB 17 or 18.

Final Pats rushing stats =Maroney 185 835 6Morris 85 384 3Faulk 62 265 0Evans 34 121 3Eckel 33 90 2Nail meet head.