Mostly tattoo discussion, some stuff about Kapernick and his tortoise (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

Probably a good title change. Moving now to FFA where it's belonged for a while.

J

 

[mr roboto]

Somebody should start a business that tattoos tortoises. Not tattoos of tortoises on human beings, but tattoos on tortoises possibly of Colin Kaepernick.

 

[Eminence]

Junior and Drummer, both of you please get way cooler and keep this to football. I'm out of patience after wasting time deleting all that.

J

I'm not the problem in this thread. The race baiting is. I just call it out. Because someone has to.

Actually, you were absolutely part of the problem going back and forth with junior on it. We can do better than that. Thanks for helping.

J

Junior is judging someone in two threads just by appearance alone, and only because he has black skin. I'll call that out anytime, since no Mods or anyone else finds the racism in his posts.

You want to do better? Then call that out.

What??? Feel free to show one negative thing I've ever said about RGIII. Or Russell Wilson. Or Jason Campbell or Tavares Jackson.

Kaepernick is HALF black. Your insistence to make this a racist issue is hilarious.

Stop this. Your posts are an indictment to how low this forum had gone. You are an eight grade poster that makes this forum look as stupid as you are. Joe B says I'm the problem here on a football message board. You aren't posting about football. Joe B doesn't get this.

Let me put it this way for everybody: I can get banned and never post here again, but that still would not stop you for posting stupid ####. That's how absolutely bad this forum is now, to the point where Joe B is that clueless of it. Yeah, I'm calling Joe B out because he called me out. He can ban me for it to. Then he can have Eminence, johnjohn and you. I could not care less, I'll call out racists because of what they post. You are racist, without even being a chagrin of those in charge of this site.

You are the new product of the Shark Pool. Why? Because the bar is now non-existent. Hell, just troll with YouTube and a Twitter account mentioning FootballGuys while wearing a Walgreens vest, and you have instant karma, while those of us who have been fighting bull#### coming from the likes of you are suddenly the ####### problem here. This is what you don't understand and apparently Joe B doesn't either: I'm not fighting you. I'm fighting how content is being realized here. You're that horrid to the point where it's lazy. Now that I have one of the site owners attention, maybe now he can really do some sort of research into this stupid multi-threaded racist bullcrap you bring to this new table of ####.

If you have any credibility here, it's only because you can log in. That's not my fault. That's the fault of who runs this site. If I can never log in here again, I don't care. Because they will ban me first before they will you. I can live with that.

ETA: your #### still flies here. It would had been shut down on a board Joe B first realized. Funny how things happen when you're away from home.

I know this has been squashed but I think I can help you out. We @ Footballguys.com are trying to foster a website that is conducive to fun times and healthy conversation. Think of that as the mantra when posting:

"Are people going to enjoy what I've written? Or am I just creating an argument and derailing the topic?"

This is a business and many people who post here often subscribe and pay, they keep FBG running. The last thing Joe Bryant wants is racism to drive off potential customers.

Thanks old sport,

Em

 

[Abraham]

I love the new Em.

 

[fatness]

Interesting opinion piece. Its point it that now is the time for the 49ers to sign Kaepernick to a longterm contract, because the price will go up as time goes by.

He also said (and I paraphrase), the 49ers should be sure that CK will represent what they perceive as a franchise QB and face of the franchise, before giving him a long term deal.

I agree, he made that point. He also said he didn't believe the "troubles" Kaepernick had been in amounted to a much and that he thought the Niners would be wise to re-sign him. His point was why not re-sign him now when "the price may be as low as it will go" due to current bad press, much like we try to do in fantasy ball.

I just checked NFL jersey sales.

1. Russell Wilson

2. Peyton Manning

3. Colin Kaepernick

4. Tom Brady

5. Marshawn Lynch

6. Richard Sherman

7. Drew Brees

8. Adrian Peterson

9. Aaron Rodgers

10. Ryan Tannehill

11. Robert Griffin III

12. Calvin Johnson

13. Dez Bryant

14. LeSean McCoy

15. Cam Newton

16. Andrew Luck

17. Jason Witten

18. J.J.. Watt

19. Wes Welker

20. Clay Matthews

21. Eli Manning

22. Victor Cruz

23. Tony Romo

24. Troy Polamalu

25. Eric Decker

Fans think Kaepernick is representing his team and the league just fine.

 

[drummer]

Junior and Drummer, both of you please get way cooler and keep this to football. I'm out of patience after wasting time deleting all that.

J

I'm not the problem in this thread. The race baiting is. I just call it out. Because someone has to.

Actually, you were absolutely part of the problem going back and forth with junior on it. We can do better than that. Thanks for helping.

J

Junior is judging someone in two threads just by appearance alone, and only because he has black skin. I'll call that out anytime, since no Mods or anyone else finds the racism in his posts.

You want to do better? Then call that out.

What??? Feel free to show one negative thing I've ever said about RGIII. Or Russell Wilson. Or Jason Campbell or Tavares Jackson.

Kaepernick is HALF black. Your insistence to make this a racist issue is hilarious.

Stop this. Your posts are an indictment to how low this forum had gone. You are an eight grade poster that makes this forum look as stupid as you are. Joe B says I'm the problem here on a football message board. You aren't posting about football. Joe B doesn't get this.

Let me put it this way for everybody: I can get banned and never post here again, but that still would not stop you for posting stupid ####. That's how absolutely bad this forum is now, to the point where Joe B is that clueless of it. Yeah, I'm calling Joe B out because he called me out. He can ban me for it to. Then he can have Eminence, johnjohn and you. I could not care less, I'll call out racists because of what they post. You are racist, without even being a chagrin of those in charge of this site.

You are the new product of the Shark Pool. Why? Because the bar is now non-existent. Hell, just troll with YouTube and a Twitter account mentioning FootballGuys while wearing a Walgreens vest, and you have instant karma, while those of us who have been fighting bull#### coming from the likes of you are suddenly the ####### problem here. This is what you don't understand and apparently Joe B doesn't either: I'm not fighting you. I'm fighting how content is being realized here. You're that horrid to the point where it's lazy. Now that I have one of the site owners attention, maybe now he can really do some sort of research into this stupid multi-threaded racist bullcrap you bring to this new table of ####.

If you have any credibility here, it's only because you can log in. That's not my fault. That's the fault of who runs this site. If I can never log in here again, I don't care. Because they will ban me first before they will you. I can live with that.

ETA: your #### still flies here. It would had been shut down on a board Joe B first realized. Funny how things happen when you're away from home.

I know this has been squashed but I think I can help you out. We @ Footballguys.com are trying to foster a website that is conducive to fun times and healthy conversation. Think of that as the mantra when posting:

"Are people going to enjoy what I've written? Or am I just creating an argument and derailing the topic?"

This is a business and many people who post here often subscribe and pay, they keep FBG running. The last thing Joe Bryant wants is racism to drive off potential customers.

Thanks old sport,

Em

I'm gonna borrow this from TBell, who had one of the best posts ever towards one of yours:

GFY

 

[Buckfast 1]

This is one of the weirdest threads I've seen in awhile.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

So no one saw something like this coming?

You advocated keeping an open mind about Hernandez (who did everything but dump the bullet-ridden corpse on his front lawn), right?

I think both are thugs. Tell me where I said Kaep did it? Did it or not, Kaep is a thug and I could see legal troubles coming with a thug like him a mile a way.

Nothing could come from this and I will still think he is a thug.

What I said is, you exhorted others to keep an open mind with Hernandez (despite there being a mountain of evidence that he was directly involved in at least one murder). Is that accurate?

But we shouldn't keep an open mind with Kaepernick, who hasn't been charged with anything (and the fact that the Miami Police Department took the unusual measure of publicly distancing themselves from the TMZ report speaks volumes), and should assume Kaepernick will have legal trouble in the future.

That is crystal clear, now, not contradictory at all.

Yes, that is accurate. You are comparing a guy being charged with murder and his guilt to someone thinking someone is a thug. Give me a moment while I digest the comparable nonsense.

I never said Kaep did it, but just because I dont defend him does not mean he doesnt deserve his day in court. Just means I dont like him and I am not going to defend him. I still think Kaep is a thug. Innocent or not, day in court or not, he is a thug in my eye.

As far as Hernandez he is a thug who may be a murderer, but we dont know, because he gets his day in court too. Maybe you should be over there asking people to be as open mind about a circumstantial case that might send a man to jail for the rest of his life then you are over hear trying to get me to have an open mind on if I think someone is a thug or not.

I'm trying to reconcile a few seemingly contradictory beliefs, but having a hard time.

First is your stance on Hernandez, who the police and legal system thought there was not only enough evidence to charge him with murder, but to deny him bail as a potential danger to the community (possibly because the murder victim may have been silenced due to knowledge about two prior murders Hernandez could have had involvement in). Based on that, you expressed thinking people shouldn't assume anything about his possible involvement in that crime (or those crimes).

Than there is your position on Kaepernick, who the police and legal system have not charged with a crime at the present time, yet you assume he will have future legal trouble.

Seemingly in the interest of consistency, Kaepernick would be entitled to at least as much (if not more) benefit of the doubt as you are extending to Hernandez, about not assuming things of a criminal nature. You asked others in the Hernandez thread to not assume he did anything, in the case of an actual crime he was charged with. Yet you don't see any contradiction in assuming future legal trouble for Kaepernick on a hypothetical and imaginary basis, for crimes that haven't happened and may never happen.

In that thread, there seemed to be a misunderstanding that people on a message board (ie - the court of public opinion) aren't bound by the legal principal and guideline or jury instruction of innocent until proven guilty, to the point of abandoning reason, logic and common sense. I could care less what Hernandez looks like, or walks like, or talks like, or if he has tats, or wears his hat funny or during games flexed his muscles, taunted the opposition, had some other demonstrative behavior or got chippy. But if he is waving a gun around on camera and talking about not being able to trust people a few hours before picking up somebody who is later murdered a few blocks from his home, it probably doesn't involve a delivery of girl scout cookies. He might as well have put a post it on the victim's forehead announcing - I, Aaron Hernandez, murdered this person. As far as the organizational ability to "mastermind" the crime and cover his tracks, he makes Goober look like Robert Oppenheimer.

As far as putting out a statement like Kaepernick is a thug, and when pressed for details, saying that is just what you think but you won't say why because you don't want to get into an argument, clearly that is going to cause misunderstanding either way. That would be like going to a Sammy Watkins thread and saying he is the worst WR in NFL history, and when asked why you think that, refusing to give reasons. What would be the point? Is it going to influence the thinking of others? Is it just using the forum as a vehicle to vent personal dislike? Not saying you are fishing or stirring the pot. Not saying you are fishing or stirring the pot, but with an unwillingness or inability to furnish reasons to back or support the statement that he is a thug beyond because I said so, this kind of posting behavior is indistinguishable from the above. Would you want to be part of a message board where everybody posted in the same way you have, and the exchanges consisted of the following...

Kaepernick is a thug.

Is not.

Is.

Is not.

Etc.

That is kindergarten level.

You aren't interested in a dialogue, by your own admission. If you are genuine and sincere in not wanting to create board dissension and divisiveness, don't make controversial, sensationalized claims that are in effect baseless when you refuse to explain or defend them.

Joe asked us to put this to rest but since you wanted to bring it up again I think he is a thug based off my own classification of what I think a thug is and what I know a thug is, what is so hard to understand? If that doesn't satisfy what answer you are looking for, sorry.

Maybe Gangsta would better define Kaep.

Yo, this "gangsta" loses his cheeba out his jeans, an' he thinks somebody snatched it.........

 

[drummer]

Maybe Gangsta would better define Kaep.

Yo, this "gangsta" loses his cheeba out his jeans, an' he thinks somebody snatched it.........

If Kaep is what you think a gangsta is, lemme drop you off in real gangsta land.

 

[chauncey]

TMZ report: http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/10/colin-kaepernick-49ers-sexual-assault-investigation-miami-viceroy/

Looks like he would not have had to try hard to get one of the chicks as they all look giddy in the pics.

What a bevy of slatterns.

2, 6, 3, 5, 9

Not sure what slatterns means but that has to be the ugliest group of broads in Miami. (Would still bang)

 

[fatness]

blather

 

[fatness]

Have the toxicology reports come back yet for the woman who was admitted to the hospital?

 

[FF Ninja]

I didn't read through the entire post and maybe I will show my age a little bit here but image is important and people are going to make judgements upon others by appearance. I remember about 10 years ago I had stepped into a tattoo and piercing business in Sioux Falls, SD and was talking with a young gal there that was going to school for business. She had several tattoos and piercings that really couldn't be concealed. My thinking was that's great and all but you will not find many opportunities out there no matter what your GPA is. In the business world if you walk into an interview looking like that many businesses will instantly cross you off their list. Well, if you choose to create an image where you look thug like that may very well be many people's impression of you. I always try to explain to my kids that I'm not going to tell them how to dress and such but tattoos, piercings, body altering are pretty permanent things and you really need to thing beyond 10 minutes and two years and understand that people are going to create an impression of you on first sight.

Here in Austin, the person doing the interviewing is just as likely to be the one with the tattoos and piercings as the candidate.

Sorry to nit pick, but if that was true, it would just be anecdotal since there aren't many cities like Austin. Second, I know Austin is a bit wonky, but it's not that wonky. There are definitely a few business owners/HR managers with tats, but still not that many.

While I'm already here, I'll throw out my take on CK. I'm prone to judge people. I try not to, but it happens. My initial take on this guy is that he isn't even close to being a thug. He likes to pretend with his tats and his full embodiment of the thug chic attire, but he seems like a relatively good guy who is just trying too hard and thus ends up being a poser/DB. The flat brim caps, the constant focus on fashion, the overpriced yet mediocre beats by dre headphones worn purely for aesthetic purposes... it's all too d-bag to be thug-like. He's just trying to fit in where he wants and overcompensating in the process. Hopefully he figures this out as he gets older and just focuses on football.

A guy who spends more time adjusting the angle of his flat brim in the mirror and picking out which flamboyant colored vest he's going to wear (to show off the tats of course) than a girl spends to get ready is simply not a thug. He's just a young guy struggling to balance fame, ego, and career. It can't be easy to deal with so much in your formative years. I mean, if it happened to me, I'd have my own set of PR problems. I'm sure I'd have gotten pulled over with a few joints in my vintage Lamborghini Countach and pictures would've surfaced of me doing keg stands with young, fit ladies. Very few people could handle fame and fortune well in their early 20s. It'll be interesting to see how he's changed in 10 years.

Again, I think this is all about perspective.

I'd argue that Russell Wilson or Eli Manning or Aaron Rodgers all put as much effort into their appearance as Kaepernick does. I wouldn't call it immature. It's just different. And going for a different reaction.

Now maybe these guys are way less thoughtful than I think they are. But I'd be surprised.

J

Oh c'mon, Joe. You know better than that. Eli's suit doesn't even look like it fits! From personal experience, we all know that it takes very little effort to suit up. You grab your black dress shoes, belt, a blue or white shirt, and let your woman pick a tie. Kaep has hundreds of shoes. Why do I know this? Because he wants us to know this (just google "Kaepernick shoes" - first image). I guess he is trying to show off, but instead of impressed, I am the opposite. Who knows how many vests, headphones, and flat brimmed hats he's got. Probably one in each of several hundred shades. It's not how long it takes to button a shirt, but how long a guy spends ruminating on which outfit combo to wear and how many hours he spends shopping with his entourage, probably asking for opinions like a group of valley girls. You think Eli or Aaron spend that much time shopping for shoes? Rodgers does some funny stuff with his facial hair, but he's just showing he's got a sense of humor and doesn't take himself seriously. Kaepernick obviously takes himself very seriously, which is what makes him such a d-bag in my eyes. But again, DB and thug are pretty much on opposite ends of the spectrum. And he's got a lot of time to change his priorities, so he might not be a DB forever.

 

[drummer]

Women are the ones bashing choice of shoes.