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Musicians who sold out (1 Viewer)

wilked said:
Lots of misses in this thread so far. 

I will give two concrete examples, then my best most obvious one. 

1. Green Day - American Idiot was such an obvious and clear sellout album. What sucks is they didn't need to go that route - Dookie sold quite well, why the desire to water your music and lyrics down? It was effective commercially (I still cringe remembering my parents blasting AI when I would come home from college) but damn was it garbage served warm  

2. Kings of Leon - I was so into these guys, tunes like Charmer and Trani. Then comes Only By the Night, and this 20 yr old intern sitting next to me at work (smoking hot) is playing two tracks over and over on low in her cube - Sex on Fire and Somone Like You. I used to fantasize about smashing those computer speakers 

I caught a set of theirs a year later, ballad city, left after 4 songs. They achieved their goal, stadium anthems for the masses. 
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American Idiot was a rock-opera concept album.  It was a weird choice, and I'm not sure where it came from (I always suspected Armstrong dropped acid and listened to Meatloaf for a week straight) but I don't know it's an "obvious sellout album." Seemed more like a direction change album like Achtung Baby, or whatever the latest Madonna album that made her into something different is.

I just don't hear a lot of "sellout" albums using a glockenspiel that much.

 
Who's the general public's arbiter on what's "bad"? You? Me? The millions of additional people who bought the sell-out records? Jann Wenner? 

It seems to me that, for many in this thread, "sell out" = "more popular". Wanna run down a list of artists and their popularity, and where their general-consensus "best" (as vague as that may be) stuff intersects? I tend to think the cream rises to the top in most cases. 

I've been as guilty of the "I knew him/her/them before" syndrome as anyone, but that's an ego thing on the part of the declarer and really has nothing to do with the art itself.

Bob Seger selling "Like A Rock" to Chevy changes nothing to me about whether the song is any good. I may get tired of hearing it faster, but it doesn't alter the quality of the song.

I'm an outsider on more modern hard rock, but I don't think Metallica is any better or worse when I hear their records from 1984 vs those from 2012 

I think the two best Grateful Dead records are "Shakedown Street" and "Touch Of Gray", which I'm sure will make most Dead fans choke on their helium bongs and pit hair. 

 
Pitbull has to top the list for me.  He started out as a rapper, but over the years has transformed into a New Years Eve hosting, generic club song dropping puppet.  They just take old songs, and remix them with pop/ auto tune & it's your next club hit.

 
bananafish said:
I WAS DRUNK

Maybe I meant to say Sugar Ray. They all blend together for me. If one of these things is not like the others I apologize.
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I listened to every BNL album I own yesterday while drafting a memo.  Which means I have What A Good Boy and Call and Answer stuck in my head.  And I try to imagine Smashmouth singing those songs and I realize I'd have to stab them in the #### for trying 

But yeah, Sugar Ray makes sense.  Mark McGrath makes my eyeballs bleed.

 
bananafish said:
I WAS DRUNK

Maybe I meant to say Sugar Ray. They all blend together for me. If one of these things is not like the others I apologize.
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Oh, and your "sell out" criteria are way better than others in here.  "Endorsing fruity pebbles" is significantly more sell-out than "changing our sound" for a band in my opinion 

 
I don't get why we do that for bands.  Nobody says "ugh, Picasso was amazing during his blue period, but then he completely sold out." Bands (hopefully) exist for multiple decades.  They're going to change. 

 
MarvinTScamper said:
The job of most businesses is to maximize revenue or profits.  If, in doing what you said, he does 20x as much business as he did with cane sugar, but the initial 1x is alienated,  I would say he succeeded.

I don't call it a joke to complain about product evolution, I call it a joke to complain about the result of the evolution. 
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To the bolded, whats the difference? 

A Ferrari could maximize a lot more profit with a Korean engine.

Tiffany and Co could maximize a lot more profit with Cubic Zirconias.

People would still buy them, revenues might even go up 20 fold but what have you done to your brand. 

There is more to an experience than revenue.  Unless you think McDonalds is the best restaurant in America based on sales.

 
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Smack Tripper said:
Metallica was making "real money" before the Internet was invented. 

And the music industry has been in the crapper since napster. What was so wrong with compensating those who give you your product?
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True, they had cash, but they lost the spirit.  That's what's so sad.  Remember when they told you not to pay more than $5.99 for this EP?

I've got no problem paying the bands, at live shows and for their merch.  If you're buying records, you're paying record companies.

What happened to the good old days of waiting for the song to come on the radio and hitting the record button right after the DJ quit talking?

 
technicaldifficulties said:
True, they had cash, but they lost the spirit.  That's what's so sad.  Remember when they told you not to pay more than $5.99 for this EP?

I've got no problem paying the bands, at live shows and for their merch.  If you're buying records, you're paying record companies.

What happened to the good old days of waiting for the song to come on the radio and hitting the record button right after the DJ quit talking?
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High quality digital downloads happened.  Those tapes recorded from over-air signals suck.

As a side note, there's a website that extracts audio from YouTube to an mp3 for free.  That's the new version of hitting record when the DJ shuts up.

 
Henry Ford said:
I don't get why we do that for bands.  Nobody says "ugh, Picasso was amazing during his blue period, but then he completely sold out." Bands (hopefully) exist for multiple decades.  They're going to change. 
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Exactly.  Pretty much every post in here is stupid.

 
I love him but Elvis Presley is probably the definition of a rock n roll star that sold out.  When he got out of the army and started making movies that featured songs like "Do the Clam" he became a characture of himself.

 
Smack Tripper said:
To the bolded, whats the difference? 

A Ferrari could maximize a lot more profit with a Korean engine.

Tiffany and Co could maximize a lot more profit with Cubic Zirconias.

People would still buy them, revenues might even go up 20 fold but what have you done to your brand. 

There is more to an experience than revenue.  Unless you think McDonalds is the best restaurant in America based on sales.
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I guess we disagree.  On Ferrari and Tiffany for sure - as I don't think they'd be successful with the changes you suggest.   McDonald's isn't the best restaurant in America, but it's in the discussion for the most successful franchise ever.

 
Read a story on an obscure band named MX80 Sound. They basically said it was never about "selling out" as much as being able to play exactly what they wanted to play, as opposed to what the record company or even the audience wanted them to play. The only way they said that was possible was to never quit their day jobs.

 
MarvinTScamper said:
not everyone likes great songwriters.
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The man knows how to pen a song...

One day you'll lead the charge, you'll lead the band

Guitar Hero with lightning hands

And the girls will like your tattoos and the veins in your arms

They'll be helpless to your musical charms

And they'll all hold up their hands

And they'll all wanna dance

With Mr. Misunderstood, Mr. Misunderstood
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http://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/2016/04/22/635969436408292863-423915105_Eric-Church-Mr-Misunderstood.jpg

 
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Was going to say nobody decent, but then remembered when Truckers took the gig opening for Eric Church. THAT was selling out. Oof. As a diehard fan of 10+ years, that one still rubs me the wrong way. Petty? Hell yes. Black Crowes...meh, c'mon fellas. Eric Church? #######it Cooley. First time since 2002 I've blown off my local show.

 
Apple Jack said:
Was going to say nobody decent, but then remembered when Truckers took the gig opening for Eric Church. THAT was selling out. Oof. As a diehard fan of 10+ years, that one still rubs me the wrong way. Petty? Hell yes. Black Crowes...meh, c'mon fellas. Eric Church? #######it Cooley. First time since 2002 I've blown off my local show.
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Touring and life as a not off the charts musician is so tough today. Dbt are two levels above a north Mississippi all stars, and at their best, they were maybe a niche act. But they did decent to good albums and they had a following.  But I read an article about how the margins of touring were so tight that their bass player Chris chew basically had to bail and Was now driving Tim McGraw's bus, literally. Luther went to the crowes and Cody was producing.   They didn't want to or need to break up but it just didn't make sense.  And these aren't some college boys messing around. They sold thousands if not millions of tickets and albums, cumulatively, in their career. 

So to piggyback on the church tour, everything set up while reaching a new audience of frat boys and girls instead of taking on the weight and freight of your own tour makes Sense at this point. 

 
Apple Jack said:
Was going to say nobody decent, but then remembered when Truckers took the gig opening for Eric Church. THAT was selling out. Oof. As a diehard fan of 10+ years, that one still rubs me the wrong way. Petty? Hell yes. Black Crowes...meh, c'mon fellas. Eric Church? #######it Cooley. First time since 2002 I've blown off my local show.
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No. They didn't sell out either. Get over not liking the direction they went in - that's what everyone who's #####ing in this thread is really talking about; that, and ego of the listener who thinks he/she "knows" what's best for an artist. No, you don't. Just stop.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
No. They didn't sell out either. Get over not liking the direction they went in - that's what everyone who's #####ing in this thread is really talking about; that, and ego of the listener who thinks he/she "knows" what's best for an artist. No, you don't. Just stop.
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Wut. You're arguing just to argue again, which seems to be your thing these days. Didn't say anything about their "direction." Ive loved every record. Every few years they take a supporting spot on somebody bigger'so tour t gain some exposure. Which I think is great. Eric Church is terrible.

 
technicaldifficulties said:
What happened to the good old days of waiting for the song to come on the radio and hitting the record button right after the DJ quit talking?
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As Henry mentioned the age of digital happened rendering this as obscure as the dodo bird. Regardless I remember this practice fondly as it brings back memories of the teenage years. A local radio station used to play an album all the way through without commercials one day a week late at night (midnight on Sunday?). I used to pop in a blank cassette and as soon as the DJ introduced the album I'd hit record and fall asleep. Next morning the first thing I did was rewind and eagerly listen.

 
My default to anyone posting the name of an artists here is "no". Seemed like you were saying the DBT sold out, but maybe I read your post wrong. If so, my apologies. If not, you're wrong

 
When Steve Perry won the power struggle and Journey became all power ballads

Sold a lot of records though.

Blondie hit a fork in the road as well.  Heart of Glass was originally rock/punkish but was transitioned to disco once they got in the studio.

There's a great BBC documentary on them that spends a good segment on that period with the band.

 
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Apple Jack said:
Wut. You're arguing just to argue again, which seems to be your thing these days. Didn't say anything about their "direction." Ive loved every record. Every few years they take a supporting spot on somebody bigger'so tour t gain some exposure. Which I think is great. Eric Church is terrible.
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Bwahahahahahahahaha.  Ok, sure EChurch is terrible, but the butt munchers are awesome and got screwed over.  Great stuff here. 

 
wilked said:
The man knows how to pen a song...

http://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/2016/04/22/635969436408292863-423915105_Eric-Church-Mr-Misunderstood.jpg
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"I heard you crying loud, all the way across town
Cause you been searching for that someone
And it's me out on the prowl
As you sit around feeling sorry for yourself

Well, don't get lonely now, and dry your whining eyes
I'm just roaming for the moment
Sleazin' my back yard so don't get
So uptight you been thinking about ditching me
No time to search the world around
'Cause you know where I'll be found
When I come around
Well, I heard it all before, so don't knock down my door
I'm a loser and a user so I don't need no accuser
To try and slag me down because I know you're right
So go do what you like, make sure you do it wise
You may find out that your self-doubt means nothing
Was ever there
You can't go forcing something if it's just not right"
 
He got the loser part right, eh Dan?  No surprise there. 

 
Apple Jack said:
Was going to say nobody decent, but then remembered when Truckers took the gig opening for Eric Church. THAT was selling out. Oof. As a diehard fan of 10+ years, that one still rubs me the wrong way. Petty? Hell yes. Black Crowes...meh, c'mon fellas. Eric Church? #######it Cooley. First time since 2002 I've blown off my local show.




 
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Eric Church - how do you sell out in country music?  

 
MarvinTScamper said:
"I heard you crying loud, all the way across town
Cause you been searching for that someone
And it's me out on the prowl
As you sit around feeling sorry for yourself

Well, don't get lonely now, and dry your whining eyes
I'm just roaming for the moment
Sleazin' my back yard so don't get
So uptight you been thinking about ditching me
No time to search the world around
'Cause you know where I'll be found
When I come around
Well, I heard it all before, so don't knock down my door
I'm a loser and a user so I don't need no accuser
To try and slag me down because I know you're right
So go do what you like, make sure you do it wise
You may find out that your self-doubt means nothing
Was ever there
You can't go forcing something if it's just not right"
 
He got the loser part right, eh Dan?  No surprise there. 
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1. I missed the MTS connection :bag:  hi melly!

2. Still can't tell if the Eric Church thing is schtick. If so - well done. If not, well...

I just realized I never revealed the biggest sell out band ever. Will do so in a minute - hang tight 

 
Quez said:
Pitbull has to top the list for me.  He started out as a rapper, but over the years has transformed into a New Years Eve hosting, generic club song dropping puppet.  They just take old songs, and remix them with pop/ auto tune & it's your next club hit.
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Ha ha, here is another great example of how Pittbull has "sold out".  The state of FL is actually paying him to help promote tourism, by sending out tweets.  Our tax dollars well spent!  What a great country we live in!  One day your selling drugs, and hustling, and the next you are a government paid spokesman!  

http://www.fox13news.com/news/fox-13-investigates/144149670-story

 
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