Muslim chaplain claims discrimination on United flight (1 Viewer)

[tommyGunZ]

5. tommyGunZ and timschochet immediately jump to "OMG racism!?WTF!?!?!" 100% believable.

Making stuff up out of thin air now Rich?

 

[jon_mx]

She looks hot. I would open her can.

 

[Rich Conway]

5. tommyGunZ and timschochet immediately jump to "OMG racism!?WTF!?!?!" 100% believable.

Making stuff up out of thin air now Rich?

Fair enough. 98% believable.

 

[Ilov80s]

She looks hot. I would open her can.

Pretty much my only thought on this whole situation, but I looked on Google images and she is not hot.

 

[jon_mx]

She looks hot. I would open her can.

Pretty much my only thought on this whole situation, but I looked on Google images and she is not hot.

Makeup and tons of coverings can do wonders.

 

[-jb-]

Can size?

 

[msommer]

Can size?

very important question that must be answered!

 

[Mister CIA]

She looks hot. I would open her can.

Pretty much my only thought on this whole situation, but I looked on Google images and she is not hot.

LOOK AT ME! I DON'T DRINK

 

[FlapJacks]

Interesting that this is the kind of thing that sets off Andy's outrage meter.

Speaks volumes.

Interesting that you immediately take a reasonable question by someone as 'outrage' just because you disagree with their politics.

It would speak volumes if we didn't already know all about you.

Good call...TGz post is just a back handed and disgusting attempt to attack one of the better posters here...

 

[Johnny Rock]

I always ask for a "can of Coke" so I don't get stuck with a small glass. I've never been refused on a flight. If the woman didn't want anybody touching her drink why didn't she bring her own on board?

At games most of the time they keep the cap from your bottle so it's not as much of a weapon. I was never offended by this nor did I think the vendor was making a veiled reference that I was a terrorist.

Is anybody else surprised that women can be Muslim Chaplains? Is that true in middle eastern countries as well?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

She should have just taken a flying horse.

 

[Sinn Fein]

She should have just taken a flying horse.

magic carpet ride down?

 

[Christo]

I always ask for a "can of Coke" so I don't get stuck with a small glass. I've never been refused on a flight. If the woman didn't want anybody touching her drink why didn't she bring her own on board?

At games most of the time they keep the cap from your bottle so it's not as much of a weapon. I was never offended by this nor did I think the vendor was making a veiled reference that I was a terrorist.

Is anybody else surprised that women can be Muslim Chaplains? Is that true in middle eastern countries as well?

:whoosh:

 

[Chadstroma]

I am fairly skeptical of this. From what I can see there the entire thing is what the Muslim woman says happened. This is on a plane so obviously there would have been multiple witnesses of at least the guy turning around and yelling at her. Has anyone commented about it? Anyone else post anything on social media? I mean, that would be something I would expect a number of people to post about.

Here is the thing. Racism and prejudice absolutely do exist. But not everything that happens to someone of a minority group is because of that. Yet, if you end up with a victim mentality that everything is about racism then guess what happens? You see it in every circumstance.

A perfect example of this. A colleague of mine in the same position and the same location. On customer service surveys if we do not get all "5" ratings (top rating) on all ratings then we fail. It is not easy. Both of us whom are in the top 5% within our company would end up talking about the surveys that we fell short on. For me, I looked at various circumstances like we work in an affluent market which tends to have higher standards on customer service and not overly generous in giving all 5's. For him? It was because he was black. No other reason. Great guy and we are on that fence of work friends/real friends but if something bad happens- it is because he is black. A customer does not like him? Because he is black. A customer does not buy a product from him? Because he is black. A customer yells at him? Because he is black.

On top of that, you have the people who use the racism card as a weapon. In my industry, I have been the victim of this on so many occasions, I can not begin to have an idea of how many times. From somewhat veiled remarks to outright accusations. When you have this happen to you and you know the situation has absolutely nothing to do with race, you become skeptical in all other instances.

Finally, we are getting bombarded with the leftist narrative about race. Most recently in the form of police use of force. When you have situations that all people know is that the police officer is white and the person who died is black and then they are off to the racism races, it gets tiring and again, you start to wonder about even the genuine times there was racism because the law of averages say that it is not all racism.

Now I am generally skeptical of most anything these days when it comes to some form of political/social narrative, whether it is from the right or the left perspective. It is like how I refuse to open up anything in my facebook feed that says "Blah blah blah and what happens next left me in tears" Or "Blah blah blach and you wont believe what they did" or whatever other form because it is all stuff pumped up to get your attention. Whether it is some stupid thing on facebook or some political/social narrative, the more outrageous the more likely it is that it is either a lie, half truth or being presented in the extreme. That is kind of how I see this.

 

[jhib]

I believe that the guy said that to her. The fact is most people would just look down and avoid eye contact in such a confrontation that they watched play out.

The second part where the pilot said that stuff...that definitely didn't happen. He probably apologized, but to bring up "white privilege?" FOH.

Yeah, she could have just put what he said into her own words.

"He mean Lexus but he ain't know it."

 

[jhib]

Interesting that this is the kind of thing that sets off Andy's outrage meter.

Speaks volumes.

I guess there could always be a tone in someone's post that I don't pick up on, but outrage?

I'm guessing your sensor is on the fritz.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I am fairly skeptical of this. From what I can see there the entire thing is what the Muslim woman says happened. This is on a plane so obviously there would have been multiple witnesses of at least the guy turning around and yelling at her. Has anyone commented about it? Anyone else post anything on social media? I mean, that would be something I would expect a number of people to post about.

Here is the thing. Racism and prejudice absolutely do exist. But not everything that happens to someone of a minority group is because of that. Yet, if you end up with a victim mentality that everything is about racism then guess what happens? You see it in every circumstance.

A perfect example of this. A colleague of mine in the same position and the same location. On customer service surveys if we do not get all "5" ratings (top rating) on all ratings then we fail. It is not easy. Both of us whom are in the top 5% within our company would end up talking about the surveys that we fell short on. For me, I looked at various circumstances like we work in an affluent market which tends to have higher standards on customer service and not overly generous in giving all 5's. For him? It was because he was black. No other reason. Great guy and we are on that fence of work friends/real friends but if something bad happens- it is because he is black. A customer does not like him? Because he is black. A customer does not buy a product from him? Because he is black. A customer yells at him? Because he is black.

On top of that, you have the people who use the racism card as a weapon. In my industry, I have been the victim of this on so many occasions, I can not begin to have an idea of how many times. From somewhat veiled remarks to outright accusations. When you have this happen to you and you know the situation has absolutely nothing to do with race, you become skeptical in all other instances.

Finally, we are getting bombarded with the leftist narrative about race. Most recently in the form of police use of force. When you have situations that all people know is that the police officer is white and the person who died is black and then they are off to the racism races, it gets tiring and again, you start to wonder about even the genuine times there was racism because the law of averages say that it is not all racism.

Now I am generally skeptical of most anything these days when it comes to some form of political/social narrative, whether it is from the right or the left perspective. It is like how I refuse to open up anything in my facebook feed that says "Blah blah blah and what happens next left me in tears" Or "Blah blah blach and you wont believe what they did" or whatever other form because it is all stuff pumped up to get your attention. Whether it is some stupid thing on facebook or some political/social narrative, the more outrageous the more likely it is that it is either a lie, half truth or being presented in the extreme. That is kind of how I see this.

tl;dr

 

[General Tso]

Pretty crappy if true. My thoughts:

- good idea about the unopened can. Never thought of it myself by put it makes perfect sense. A stewardess is probably a cesspool of germs and she is putting her hand right where your mouth goes. Not good. Surprised more people don't ask for unopened cans.

- not excusing the behavior at all, but whatever happened to "when in Rome do like the Romans do"? What is wrong with assimilating into the culture you are living in? I travelled the world when I was younger and I damn well followed this rule as best I could. Hey Ahmad - can the hijab! (Pun intended)

- can we stop with the white privilege bull#### already? My God did that one catch on like wildfire.

- brings back a story... I flew about a week after 9/11. An older, blind Muslim man (I think a religious cleric of some sort) gets on the plane with a kid escorting him - must have been 10 years old. They sat directly behind me. I sat the entire flight looking at the guy through the crack of my seat. I felt bad at first, then I remembered that he was blind. Very nerve racking, and when we arrived at the destination my neck was sore.

 

[Henry Ford]

I always ask for a "can of Coke" so I don't get stuck with a small glass. I've never been refused on a flight. If the woman didn't want anybody touching her drink why didn't she bring her own on board?

At games most of the time they keep the cap from your bottle so it's not as much of a weapon. I was never offended by this nor did I think the vendor was making a veiled reference that I was a terrorist.

Is anybody else surprised that women can be Muslim Chaplains? Is that true in middle eastern countries as well?

:whoosh:

You know, in a series of 3 ounce bottles that all fit in a gallon zip lock.

 

[The General]

I always ask for a "can of Coke" so I don't get stuck with a small glass. I've never been refused on a flight. If the woman didn't want anybody touching her drink why didn't she bring her own on board?

At games most of the time they keep the cap from your bottle so it's not as much of a weapon. I was never offended by this nor did I think the vendor was making a veiled reference that I was a terrorist.

Is anybody else surprised that women can be Muslim Chaplains? Is that true in middle eastern countries as well?

:whoosh:

You know, in a series of 3 ounce bottles that all fit in a gallon zip lock.

Or one you buy once past TSA.

 

[krista4]

I believe that the guy said that to her. The fact is most people would just look down and avoid eye contact in such a confrontation that they watched play out.

The second part where the pilot said that stuff...that definitely didn't happen. He probably apologized, but to bring up "white privilege?" FOH.

Yeah, she could have just put what he said into her own words.

"He mean Lexus but he ain't know it."

My favorite Snoop line!

 

[Henry Ford]

I always ask for a "can of Coke" so I don't get stuck with a small glass. I've never been refused on a flight. If the woman didn't want anybody touching her drink why didn't she bring her own on board?

At games most of the time they keep the cap from your bottle so it's not as much of a weapon. I was never offended by this nor did I think the vendor was making a veiled reference that I was a terrorist.

Is anybody else surprised that women can be Muslim Chaplains? Is that true in middle eastern countries as well?

:whoosh:

You know, in a series of 3 ounce bottles that all fit in a gallon zip lock.

Or one you buy once past TSA.

Yeah, I can't believe she didn't pay $6 for a can of coke so she wouldn't have to ask a flight attendant not to open one and just hand it to her. Nervy woman.

 

[timschochet]

- can we stop with the white privilege bull#### already?

No we can't because it's very real.

There are certain people in society who are constantly under suspicion: young black males, young Hispanic males, and Middle Eastern looking people of all types. If you are unfortunate enough to be in one of these 3 groups, you have to deal with constant indignities: by police, at the airport, by officials of all types. If you are fortunate enough not to be one of these, particularly if you are white, you get certain benefits in society. Benefits in terms of not being harassed, in terms of economic and social opportunities. That's the way it is, and if you and others are sick of hearing people complain about it, then it needs to end.

 

[General Tso]

I am fairly skeptical of this. From what I can see there the entire thing is what the Muslim woman says happened. This is on a plane so obviously there would have been multiple witnesses of at least the guy turning around and yelling at her. Has anyone commented about it? Anyone else post anything on social media? I mean, that would be something I would expect a number of people to post about.

Here is the thing. Racism and prejudice absolutely do exist. But not everything that happens to someone of a minority group is because of that. Yet, if you end up with a victim mentality that everything is about racism then guess what happens? You see it in every circumstance.

A perfect example of this. A colleague of mine in the same position and the same location. On customer service surveys if we do not get all "5" ratings (top rating) on all ratings then we fail. It is not easy. Both of us whom are in the top 5% within our company would end up talking about the surveys that we fell short on. For me, I looked at various circumstances like we work in an affluent market which tends to have higher standards on customer service and not overly generous in giving all 5's. For him? It was because he was black. No other reason. Great guy and we are on that fence of work friends/real friends but if something bad happens- it is because he is black. A customer does not like him? Because he is black. A customer does not buy a product from him? Because he is black. A customer yells at him? Because he is black.

On top of that, you have the people who use the racism card as a weapon. In my industry, I have been the victim of this on so many occasions, I can not begin to have an idea of how many times. From somewhat veiled remarks to outright accusations. When you have this happen to you and you know the situation has absolutely nothing to do with race, you become skeptical in all other instances.

Finally, we are getting bombarded with the leftist narrative about race. Most recently in the form of police use of force. When you have situations that all people know is that the police officer is white and the person who died is black and then they are off to the racism races, it gets tiring and again, you start to wonder about even the genuine times there was racism because the law of averages say that it is not all racism.

Now I am generally skeptical of most anything these days when it comes to some form of political/social narrative, whether it is from the right or the left perspective. It is like how I refuse to open up anything in my facebook feed that says "Blah blah blah and what happens next left me in tears" Or "Blah blah blach and you wont believe what they did" or whatever other form because it is all stuff pumped up to get your attention. Whether it is some stupid thing on facebook or some political/social narrative, the more outrageous the more likely it is that it is either a lie, half truth or being presented in the extreme. That is kind of how I see this.

Great post Chad. Couldn't have said it better myself. It's very difficult to break out of a victim mentality. I do a lot of work with recovering drug addicts and the ones who are most successful are the ones who refuse to even look at how they were victimized, but instead focus of their own responsibility and their own actions, both in the past and going forward.

 

[timschochet]

I am fairly skeptical of this. From what I can see there the entire thing is what the Muslim woman says happened. This is on a plane so obviously there would have been multiple witnesses of at least the guy turning around and yelling at her. Has anyone commented about it? Anyone else post anything on social media? I mean, that would be something I would expect a number of people to post about.

Here is the thing. Racism and prejudice absolutely do exist. But not everything that happens to someone of a minority group is because of that. Yet, if you end up with a victim mentality that everything is about racism then guess what happens? You see it in every circumstance.

A perfect example of this. A colleague of mine in the same position and the same location. On customer service surveys if we do not get all "5" ratings (top rating) on all ratings then we fail. It is not easy. Both of us whom are in the top 5% within our company would end up talking about the surveys that we fell short on. For me, I looked at various circumstances like we work in an affluent market which tends to have higher standards on customer service and not overly generous in giving all 5's. For him? It was because he was black. No other reason. Great guy and we are on that fence of work friends/real friends but if something bad happens- it is because he is black. A customer does not like him? Because he is black. A customer does not buy a product from him? Because he is black. A customer yells at him? Because he is black.

On top of that, you have the people who use the racism card as a weapon. In my industry, I have been the victim of this on so many occasions, I can not begin to have an idea of how many times. From somewhat veiled remarks to outright accusations. When you have this happen to you and you know the situation has absolutely nothing to do with race, you become skeptical in all other instances.

Finally, we are getting bombarded with the leftist narrative about race. Most recently in the form of police use of force. When you have situations that all people know is that the police officer is white and the person who died is black and then they are off to the racism races, it gets tiring and again, you start to wonder about even the genuine times there was racism because the law of averages say that it is not all racism.

Now I am generally skeptical of most anything these days when it comes to some form of political/social narrative, whether it is from the right or the left perspective. It is like how I refuse to open up anything in my facebook feed that says "Blah blah blah and what happens next left me in tears" Or "Blah blah blach and you wont believe what they did" or whatever other form because it is all stuff pumped up to get your attention. Whether it is some stupid thing on facebook or some political/social narrative, the more outrageous the more likely it is that it is either a lie, half truth or being presented in the extreme. That is kind of how I see this.

Great post Chad. Couldn't have said it better myself. It's very difficult to break out of a victim mentality. I do a lot of work with recovering drug addicts and the ones who are most successful are the ones who refuse to even look at how they were victimized, but instead focus of their own responsibility and their own actions, both in the past and going forward.

I see.

So this very accomplished woman is not only a liar, but no different from a drug addict, and instead of complaining about this she needs to "focus on her own responsibility."

I can't believe some of the things I read in this forum. I really can't.

 

[General Tso]

- can we stop with the white privilege bull#### already?

No we can't because it's very real.There are certain people in society who are constantly under suspicion: young black males, young Hispanic males, and Middle Eastern looking people of all types. If you are unfortunate enough to be in one of these 3 groups, you have to deal with constant indignities: by police, at the airport, by officials of all types. If you are fortunate enough not to be one of these, particularly if you are white, you get certain benefits in society. Benefits in terms of not being harassed, in terms of economic and social opportunities. That's the way it is, and if you and others are sick of hearing people complain about it, then it needs to end.

Yeah, well keep complaining about white privilege and see how far that advances a solution. There's a lot of white people out there who are struggling right now and I can assure you it sure doesn't feel like any privilege to them. It's what we call a non-starter, and the only thing it does is piss people off and turn them away from participating in the solution.

 

[General Tso]

I am fairly skeptical of this. From what I can see there the entire thing is what the Muslim woman says happened. This is on a plane so obviously there would have been multiple witnesses of at least the guy turning around and yelling at her. Has anyone commented about it? Anyone else post anything on social media? I mean, that would be something I would expect a number of people to post about.

Here is the thing. Racism and prejudice absolutely do exist. But not everything that happens to someone of a minority group is because of that. Yet, if you end up with a victim mentality that everything is about racism then guess what happens? You see it in every circumstance.

A perfect example of this. A colleague of mine in the same position and the same location. On customer service surveys if we do not get all "5" ratings (top rating) on all ratings then we fail. It is not easy. Both of us whom are in the top 5% within our company would end up talking about the surveys that we fell short on. For me, I looked at various circumstances like we work in an affluent market which tends to have higher standards on customer service and not overly generous in giving all 5's. For him? It was because he was black. No other reason. Great guy and we are on that fence of work friends/real friends but if something bad happens- it is because he is black. A customer does not like him? Because he is black. A customer does not buy a product from him? Because he is black. A customer yells at him? Because he is black.

On top of that, you have the people who use the racism card as a weapon. In my industry, I have been the victim of this on so many occasions, I can not begin to have an idea of how many times. From somewhat veiled remarks to outright accusations. When you have this happen to you and you know the situation has absolutely nothing to do with race, you become skeptical in all other instances.

Finally, we are getting bombarded with the leftist narrative about race. Most recently in the form of police use of force. When you have situations that all people know is that the police officer is white and the person who died is black and then they are off to the racism races, it gets tiring and again, you start to wonder about even the genuine times there was racism because the law of averages say that it is not all racism.

Now I am generally skeptical of most anything these days when it comes to some form of political/social narrative, whether it is from the right or the left perspective. It is like how I refuse to open up anything in my facebook feed that says "Blah blah blah and what happens next left me in tears" Or "Blah blah blach and you wont believe what they did" or whatever other form because it is all stuff pumped up to get your attention. Whether it is some stupid thing on facebook or some political/social narrative, the more outrageous the more likely it is that it is either a lie, half truth or being presented in the extreme. That is kind of how I see this.

Great post Chad. Couldn't have said it better myself. It's very difficult to break out of a victim mentality. I do a lot of work with recovering drug addicts and the ones who are most successful are the ones who refuse to even look at how they were victimized, but instead focus of their own responsibility and their own actions, both in the past and going forward.

I see.So this very accomplished woman is not only a liar, but no different from a drug addict, and instead of complaining about this she needs to "focus on her own responsibility."

I can't believe some of the things I read in this forum. I really can't.

It's because you read what your eyes want you to read. Nowhere in my post did I even make the comparison to this lady. I wasn't talking about her at all. I was speaking to the general points made in the post by Chad. I already gave my opinion about what happened to Ahmad, and I said it was crappy if true.

 

[The General]

I always ask for a "can of Coke" so I don't get stuck with a small glass. I've never been refused on a flight. If the woman didn't want anybody touching her drink why didn't she bring her own on board?

At games most of the time they keep the cap from your bottle so it's not as much of a weapon. I was never offended by this nor did I think the vendor was making a veiled reference that I was a terrorist.

Is anybody else surprised that women can be Muslim Chaplains? Is that true in middle eastern countries as well?

:whoosh:

You know, in a series of 3 ounce bottles that all fit in a gallon zip lock.

Or one you buy once past TSA.

Yeah, I can't believe she didn't pay $6 for a can of coke so she wouldn't have to ask a flight attendant not to open one and just hand it to her. Nervy woman.

Small price to pay to guarantee no one touches your soda can or what ever ridiculous thing she wants.

And that's if you believe this story.

 

[Jim11]

5. tommyGunZ and timschochet immediately jump to "OMG racism!?WTF!?!?!" 100% believable.

Making stuff up out of thin air now Rich?

Don't need to make up stuff where you're concerned.

 

[Jim11]

1. Flight attendant treated a can of Coke (complimentary, and policy on United is not to give full can, but merely a small cup) differently than a beer (not complimentary)? 100% believable.

2. Flight attendant claimed it was because passenger might use unopened can as a weapon? Not very believable.

3. Passenger across the aisle screamed about Muslims and weapons? Not very believable.

4. Pilot apologized re: white guilt and privilege? 0% believable.

5. tommyGunZ and timschochet immediately jump to "OMG racism!?WTF!?!?!" 100% believable.

Due to the obvious lie regarding the pilot, I'll assume that points number 2 and 3 are also false.

You captured all that quite well.

 

[Jim11]

1. Flight attendant treated a can of Coke (complimentary, and policy on United is not to give full can, but merely a small cup) differently than a beer (not complimentary)? 100% believable.

2. Flight attendant claimed it was because passenger might use unopened can as a weapon? Not very believable.

3. Passenger across the aisle screamed about Muslims and weapons? Not very believable.

4. Pilot apologized re: white guilt and privilege? 0% believable.

5. tommyGunZ and timschochet immediately jump to "OMG racism!?WTF!?!?!" 100% believable.

Due to the obvious lie regarding the pilot, I'll assume that points number 2 and 3 are also false.

You captured all that quite well.

And how did they hijack your plane, captain? They threatened to shake an unopened can of coke & spray people with it. Coke can be quite corrosive.

 

[Jim11]

- can we stop with the white privilege bull#### already?

No we can't because it's very real.

There are certain people in society who are constantly under suspicion: young black males, young Hispanic males, and Middle Eastern looking people of all types. If you are unfortunate enough to be in one of these 3 groups, you have to deal with constant indignities: by police, at the airport, by officials of all types. If you are fortunate enough not to be one of these, particularly if you are white, you get certain benefits in society. Benefits in terms of not being harassed, in terms of economic and social opportunities. That's the way it is, and if you and others are sick of hearing people complain about it, then it needs to end.

Laughable. So it needs to end by white people committing crimes more, like those poor unfortunate groups you mentioned? Nobody decided to "profile" them for no reason whatsoever.

 

[jhib]

What's the hygiene issue in a can of Coke opened for you right before you drink it? You don't put your lips on the part of the tab that the other person touches, do you? They don't touch the part that goes into the can when they open it, do they?

 

[Otis]

I never recall getting a can of soda on a flight. They pour it into those tiny plastic cups. I don't think you even get a full can. But the beer they charge you 5 bucks for? They usually give you the can. I'm not sure why, but it sounds like she got the same treatment every other passenger in the world gets, which is pretty much the opposite of discrimination.

 

[The General]

Having an unpleasant experience with a #####y stewardess is pretty much par for the course if you fly. It's going to happen, just a matter of when.

The crazyness with the other passenger is so messed up that it seems beyond believable.

 

[tommyGunZ]

- can we stop with the white privilege bull#### already?

No we can't because it's very real.There are certain people in society who are constantly under suspicion: young black males, young Hispanic males, and Middle Eastern looking people of all types. If you are unfortunate enough to be in one of these 3 groups, you have to deal with constant indignities: by police, at the airport, by officials of all types. If you are fortunate enough not to be one of these, particularly if you are white, you get certain benefits in society. Benefits in terms of not being harassed, in terms of economic and social opportunities. That's the way it is, and if you and others are sick of hearing people complain about it, then it needs to end.

Yeah, well keep complaining about white privilege and see how far that advances a solution. There's a lot of white people out there who are struggling right now and I can assure you it sure doesn't feel like any privilege to them. It's what we call a non-starter, and the only thing it does is piss people off and turn them away from participating in the solution.

How dare anyone point out the fact that discrimination still exists in far more subtle ways. We don't want to piss off white people!

 

[one time]

As someone who works in a customer service industry, this is what I view as the most likely true story:

Passenger: Can I get an unopened can?

Stewardess: Sorry, against policy; It could be used as a weapon.

Passenger: OMG, racism, they think I'm trying to Hijack a plane.

Stewardess: ...Its policy

Passenger: Racism!

Stewardess: ::sigh:: :pens can:: not worth arguing it.

Passenger: See, she knows she was wrong and just opened it for me!

Stewardess:

2nd passenger annoyed with customer makes some stupid remark.

Passenger: United is the Devil!1!

 

[Ghost Rider]

I can't believe some of the things I read in this forum. I really can't.

I wonder how many people think that same thing when reading your posts...

 

[Dr Oadi]

Muslim chaplain claims discrimination on United flight

"

Am I being naive?

Oh wait, there's more.

In a Facebook post she claims that the pilot "...also apologized for everything and said that as a white male he recognized his privilege and said he didn't know what it must be like to be a minority and go through something hateful like this." There is ZERO chance he said this.

Sounds like your typical leftist message board poster to me.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The problem with the takes of tommy, tim and some others on the far left is that they assume any time anything negative happens to a muslim, black or hispanic, that it is because of racism. Are those groups discriminated against far too much? Absolutely, but jumping to the race card every single time is why, for many, it sounds old and tired. Yes, sometimes, race is a major factor, and when that can be shown without much doubt, the perpetrators should be called it, but jumping to the conclusion every time is just wrong.

 

[jon_mx]

For the most part the story is believable, but it does seem embellished.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

What a world. A kerfuffle over beverage service on a flight becomes a litmus test for bigotry. Maybe this can be viewed as a glass of coke half full, rather than half empty moment. Maybe we have come far. She invokes Dr. King. He was fighting some rather fundamental issues. She is addressing remnants of attitudes.

I am unclear how the can may be used as a weapon. I guess malleable metal ban be fashioned into a cutting edge. I am unclear how the opened or unopened aspect makes a can more dangerous. I trust someone will provide an answer. I mean, just because it is not apparent to me does not make it so.

I wonder what I would have done, if anything, had a male passenger addressed a female in that manner in my presence. I suppose it is possible that people and their issues can lead to such behavior, but I have rarely witnessed such quick and rude escalation of behavior, though I guess I have occasionally seen strange, incongruous, to me at least, reactions in my time.

Do we still have Air Marshalls on flights? If so would they file reports on their view of such incidents? Are Air Marshall reports public documents, or are they subject to some national security privilege against production?

I am not prepared to make sweeping societal pronouncements from what seems an anomalous and isolated incident. I guess some will argue this was not single, or isolated, but part of a pattern they discern.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Muslim chaplain claims discrimination on United flight

"

Am I being naive?

Oh wait, there's more.

In a Facebook post she claims that the pilot "...also apologized for everything and said that as a white male he recognized his privilege and said he didn't know what it must be like to be a minority and go through something hateful like this." There is ZERO chance he said this.

Sounds like your typical leftist message board poster to me.

It dos seem more like a prepared statement. Perhaps there is company protocol for standard apologies by white males which was written by the airlines legal department, and vetted by their H.R. and P.R. people. Maybe right next to the flight manual in the cockpit is a protocols manual for employees and he was reciting the playbook.

Maybe, maybe, maybe.

 

[jon_mx]

What a world. A kerfuffle over beverage service on a flight becomes a litmus test for bigotry. Maybe this can be viewed as a glass of coke half full, rather than half empty moment. Maybe we have come far. She invokes Dr. King. He was fighting some rather fundamental issues. She is addressing remnants of attitudes.

I am unclear how the can may be used as a weapon. I guess malleable metal ban be fashioned into a cutting edge. I am unclear how the opened or unopened aspect makes a can more dangerous. I trust someone will provide an answer. I mean, just because it is not apparent to me does not make it so.

I wonder what I would have done, if anything, had a male passenger addressed a female in that manner in my presence. I suppose it is possible that people and their issues can lead to such behavior, but I have rarely witnessed such quick and rude escalation of behavior, though I guess I have occasionally seen strange, incongruous, to me at least, reactions in my time.

Do we still have Air Marshalls on flights? If so would they file reports on their view of such incidents? Are Air Marshall reports public documents, or are they subject to some national security privilege against production?

I am not prepared to make sweeping societal pronouncements from what seems an anomalous and isolated incident. I guess some will argue this was not single, or isolated, but part of a pattern they discern.

Try throwing an open can vs. an unopened can. You can get a lot more velocity on the unopened can mainly because the opened can loses velocity/energy with the fluid spilling out all over the place.

 

[matuski]

The problem with the takes of tommy, tim and some others on the far left is that they assume any time anything negative happens to a muslim, black or hispanic, that it is because of racism. Are those groups discriminated against far too much? Absolutely, but jumping to the race card every single time is why, for many, it sounds old and tired. Yes, sometimes, race is a major factor, and when that can be shown without much doubt, the perpetrators should be called it, but jumping to the conclusion every time is just wrong.

When part of your experience is getting yelled at because you are Muslim (the man was pretty clear).... what does left or right have to do with it?

Sounds like the assumptions are coming from somewhere else on your end.

 

[Cjw_55106]

- can we stop with the white privilege bull#### already?

No we can't because it's very real.

There are certain people in society who are constantly under suspicion: young black males, young Hispanic males, and Middle Eastern looking people of all types. If you are unfortunate enough to be in one of these 3 groups, you have to deal with constant indignities: by police, at the airport, by officials of all types. If you are fortunate enough not to be one of these, particularly if you are white, you get certain benefits in society. Benefits in terms of not being harassed, in terms of economic and social opportunities. That's the way it is, and if you and others are sick of hearing people complain about it, then it needs to end.

This is one of the most racists things Ive read on this board.....and thats saying a lot.

 

[Cjw_55106]

FWIW, I see no reason not to believe her story at this time. The statement from United tells me that something certainly did happen.

 

[Otis]

FWIW, I see no reason not to believe her story at this time. The statement from United tells me that something certainly did happen.

Yeah it tells you the story was all over social media. And that's about it.

 

[Henry Ford]

FWIW, I see no reason not to believe her story at this time. The statement from United tells me that something certainly did happen.

Yeah it tells you the story was all over social media. And that's about it.

Oh, you corporate defense attorneys.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

What a world. A kerfuffle over beverage service on a flight becomes a litmus test for bigotry. Maybe this can be viewed as a glass of coke half full, rather than half empty moment. Maybe we have come far. She invokes Dr. King. He was fighting some rather fundamental issues. She is addressing remnants of attitudes.

I am unclear how the can may be used as a weapon. I guess malleable metal ban be fashioned into a cutting edge. I am unclear how the opened or unopened aspect makes a can more dangerous. I trust someone will provide an answer. I mean, just because it is not apparent to me does not make it so.

I wonder what I would have done, if anything, had a male passenger addressed a female in that manner in my presence. I suppose it is possible that people and their issues can lead to such behavior, but I have rarely witnessed such quick and rude escalation of behavior, though I guess I have occasionally seen strange, incongruous, to me at least, reactions in my time.

Do we still have Air Marshalls on flights? If so would they file reports on their view of such incidents? Are Air Marshall reports public documents, or are they subject to some national security privilege against production?

I am not prepared to make sweeping societal pronouncements from what seems an anomalous and isolated incident. I guess some will argue this was not single, or isolated, but part of a pattern they discern.

They banned unopened drinks at sports events too. This (IIRC) started at the MNF Saints-Jets game where Kyle Turley threw his helmet onto the field at the outrageous injustice of the refs not calling a flagrant foul on the Jets, and when he was thrown out the fans started throwing their bottles onto the field, creating quite the dangerous scenario. That was a national tragedy, thank the stars this horrible practice is now banned.