My FF League Died Because... (1 Viewer)

[nightshift]

[What else happens in a HYPERACTIVE league during the off-season besides chat & trades (oh, and one rookie draft)?

I'm saying that I don't think leagues that have less activity during the off-season are bad leagues. They may be the best leagues possible during the season. Of course I do believe all league members should check-in several times a week to respond to trades and check the WW for possible add/drops, whether it's off-season or in-season. That is important to a dynasty league, but it doesn't mean all members need to spend as much time at the site during the off-season as they do during the season.

I'm not disagreeing, but pointing out that is a laid-back league vs. a hyperactive one.

 

[offdee]

I differ with you here.

Why are these teams weak? Bad breaks, bad coaching, or the strong coaches keeping them weak (it doesn't have to be intentional)?

Who really wants to take over someone else's mess, clean it up (pay to do that to boot), and really start "in the hole" with a new league? IMO, you are further ahead to pay your dues to a new league and draft.

Dynasty is a pitfall waiting to happen. Most leagues fail eventually. The point is you play with other people and it is hard to find good players. All I see is a rule that forces someone to do something they don't want to do, which will result in poor league play (they don't want to be there, so they only participate when they have to) and another player you won't be playing with in the future.

To each their own I guess.I (and many others I know) play for "the league" and not the specific team. If the league has good owners than others will want to get involved to be a part of it regardless of the team they are taking over. Also, many like the challenge involved with taking over a lesser team and rebuilding it into a winner.

Also, with this advanced payment rule you're not "forcing" anybody to do anything.....they have the right to retire if they want, but the only catch is they need to do it 1 year in advance and they won't lose any money paid in advance. I don't think this is asking much as this is just common courtesy to give the league ample notice to find a replacement owner. This also allows the league to "police" the retiring team to make sure they don't trade away all of their future picks and young guys with upside to make one last run in their final season which would make it even harder to find a replacement owner to take over the team.

If you believe all Dynasties eventually die away anyways why even get involved in one in the first place? I'm sure I can find 26 other owners for sure (everyone from my two leagues) that completely disagree. A good Dynasty league has owners that want it to continue forever and know they will be a part of the league thru thick and thin....those are the guys that have no problem paying in advance cuz they know they aren't leaving anyways.

 

[Reality Football]

I tend to think that constant message board chat year-round is a good (albeit not required) glue to hold a league together. Our league board is kind of a mini-FFA for the twelve of us, and I think that builds the sort of "rivalry" element that transcends numbers on a page.

I think we reached a point, too, around our tenth year, where we turned a corner and came to appreciate the history that was built up...which was good, because the explosion of internet FF makes for a fantasy football ADD atmosphere.

In a lot of ways it seems to me that you can't support a league if every owner is in 2 or more serious leagues. Sharks and big money players deal with that fine, but I think the key still is to actually feel emotionally invested in your team's wins and losses. That is tough to do with the distractions of, say, 80 players on various teams to track.

Were I to be building a league from scratch, I would seriously consider a no-moonlighting ownership rule. (If my goal was a longstanding league).

 

[nightshift]

I tend to think that constant message board chat year-round is a good (albeit not required) glue to hold a league together. Our league board is kind of a mini-FFA for the twelve of us, and I think that builds the sort of "rivalry" element that transcends numbers on a page.

I think we reached a point, too, around our tenth year, where we turned a corner and came to appreciate the history that was built up...which was good, because the explosion of internet FF makes for a fantasy football ADD atmosphere.

In a lot of ways it seems to me that you can't support a league if every owner is in 2 or more serious leagues. Sharks and big money players deal with that fine, but I think the key still is to actually feel emotionally invested in your team's wins and losses. That is tough to do with the distractions of, say, 80 players on various teams to track.

Were I to be building a league from scratch, I would seriously consider a no-moonlighting ownership rule. (If my goal was a longstanding league).

Interesting. How do you enforce such a rule?

 

[nightshift]

If you believe all Dynasties eventually die away anyways why even get involved in one in the first place? I'm sure I can find 26 other owners for sure (everyone from my two leagues) that completely disagree. A good Dynasty league has owners that want it to continue forever and know they will be a part of the league thru thick and thin....those are the guys that have no problem paying in advance cuz they know they aren't leaving anyways.

It's not a question of belief.. it's a fact that many leagues, regardless of the format, dissolve between 2-5 years.Why get involved? It's an interesting format and it's fun. But when it becomes boring and no fun at all, I think it's time to move on. You are not doing anyone a service by either making them stay or staying when you don't find the game, league, etc. interseting and fun anymore.

 

[offdee]

If you believe all Dynasties eventually die away anyways why even get involved in one in the first place?  I'm sure I can find 26 other owners for sure (everyone from my two leagues) that completely disagree.  A good Dynasty league has owners that want it to continue forever and know they will be a part of the league thru thick and thin....those are the guys that have no problem paying in advance cuz they know they aren't leaving anyways.

It's not a question of belief.. it's a fact that many leagues, regardless of the format, dissolve between 2-5 years.Why get involved? It's an interesting format and it's fun. But when it becomes boring and no fun at all, I think it's time to move on. You are not doing anyone a service by either making them stay or staying when you don't find the game, league, etc. interseting and fun anymore.

Again, the only thing you're "forcing" anybody to do is to be courteous and give the league a one year notice that you're not into it anymore and this will be your final year playing in the league. It's not fair for the rest of the league for one owner just to have the right to get up and quit at any time without any repurcussions because they feel the league isn't "fun" anymore (aka: "my team sucks") and put the league in a position to not survive because they didn't have enough time to find a good owner to take over that vacant spot.

The whole point of a Dynasty League is building a team around the premise that the league is an ongoing process, and if that can't be guaranteed to be in place than there's no point of doing it.

 

[roadkill1292]

I tend to think that constant message board chat year-round is a good (albeit not required) glue to hold a league together. Our league board is kind of a mini-FFA for the twelve of us, and I think that builds the sort of "rivalry" element that transcends numbers on a page.

I think we reached a point, too, around our tenth year, where we turned a corner and came to appreciate the history that was built up...which was good, because the explosion of internet FF makes for a fantasy football ADD atmosphere.

In a lot of ways it seems to me that you can't support a league if every owner is in 2 or more serious leagues. Sharks and big money players deal with that fine, but I think the key still is to actually feel emotionally invested in your team's wins and losses. That is tough to do with the distractions of, say, 80 players on various teams to track.

Were I to be building a league from scratch, I would seriously consider a no-moonlighting ownership rule. (If my goal was a longstanding league).

I think this actually happens. As guys get older and cut back on their ff activities, they tend to hold on to their old reliable league and invest all their energies there. Seems to be the case in my league.

 

[Reality Football]

.Were I to be building a league from scratch, I would seriously consider a no-moonlighting ownership rule. (If my goal was a longstanding league).

Interesting. How do you enforce such a rule?

Honor system. Probably couldn't be a rule written in stone (the trouble of electronically tagging our league members and releasing them again to the wild might be a bit of a hassle).

 

[trader jake]

thanks for the feedback about paying in advance 1 year leagues

the local keeper/dynasty league that i'm in is great and has rules that make it competitive and entertaining. this just sounded like a great idea to assist the long-term health and stability of the league