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My leagues scoring for kickers, wow (1 Viewer)

steelcityman

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Yesterday, that St Lou kicker had a good day, 4 FGs, a 60 yarder and another one in the 50s, plus two shorter ones.

That earned him 48 pts in our league.

In comparison, Roddy White's day earned him 34 pts.

Andy Dalton who threw for 2 and ran for another had 26 pts.

I asked the commish why he made kicker scoring so high, and he said because those are great plays, a 60 yard FG is rare. I agree on that, but it was like a 18 pt kick. Thats beyond rare for FFL scoring.

If Calvin caught a 99 yard TD in our league, it would be a 15 pt play.

Cant do anything about it now, season has begun, but have you seen anything like this before, kickers earning more than QB + RB, even if kicker had a very good day?

 
we tweaked our scoring because it was to ohigh, that being said he still put up a 28 in our league :mellow:

 
Arbitrary rules end up in arbitrary results. It is akin to offering big bonuses to a defense for shutting out the other team - happens rarely but skews the results.

 
I like that kind of scoring. It makes kickers relevant instead of just tacking on 5-10 points to everyone's score for their kicker each week. Its why everyone on here doesnt care about kickers, and drafts them dead last. You have to pay a little more for the guys on high powered offenses and with bigger legs. If you're going to make a position irrelevant, why bother drafting them and even starting them?

The guy kicked a 60 yarder and a 58 yarder in the same game. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that has never been done in the history of the nfl. If it has, gotta be less than 3 times. I personally believe that type of performance should be rewarded. I'm not sure why you're all up in arms that a kicker that had a game for the ages outscored some randomly decent game by Andy Dalton (244 yards, 3tds) or Roddy White (169 yards, 2 tds) that will be duplicated 50 or 60x this year alone.

I applaud the creativity with the attempt to make a scoring system that makes all the positions relatively valuable to each other. I'm sure it makes it makes it that much more exciting when your kicker is lining up for a 55 yarder.

I think people get so used to only playing a certain way and dont like change or anything else they're not used to.

 
:shrug: Different strokes for different folks. Seems too high but it's in the rules so you all had a chance to adjust your rankings before the season started. It at least makes kickers relevant.

In my league the Bears defense was ranked 5th overall coming into week 4. Two others were in the top 20. Weird settings can make things interesting.

 
we tweaked our scoring because it was to ohigh, that being said he still put up a 28 in our league :mellow:
We did the same for the same reason. He would have scored 40 in the old scoring system and put up 24 in the new. I happened to draft him because of his leg and being in a dome.50 yarders used to be rare, now if you can't kick 50, you shouldn't be in the NFL.
 
31.8 in our league. 50+ yards doubles the value.

48 = 4.8

24 = 2.4

58 = 11.6

60 = 12

Looks about right. Elite performance gets big points.

 
This is all a game set up on a fictitious set of rules only roughly matching NFL rules correct? To me the biggest problem is changing the rules of the game mid season. I know we are roughly trying to match on field significance with FF points. But it is still "fantasy" football. If the point setup was clear at the beginning of the year then everyone should have drafted accordingly.

 
What about 2 QB leagues? Or the fact that in most leagues a below average offensive player can out score your entire team defense? Both ridiculous scoring if you look at it's relation to the real NFL

 
I like that kind of scoring. It makes kickers relevant instead of just tacking on 5-10 points to everyone's score for their kicker each week. Its why everyone on here doesnt care about kickers, and drafts them dead last. You have to pay a little more for the guys on high powered offenses and with bigger legs. If you're going to make a position irrelevant, why bother drafting them and even starting them? The guy kicked a 60 yarder and a 58 yarder in the same game. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that has never been done in the history of the nfl. If it has, gotta be less than 3 times. I personally believe that type of performance should be rewarded. I'm not sure why you're all up in arms that a kicker that had a game for the ages outscored some randomly decent game by Andy Dalton (244 yards, 3tds) or Roddy White (169 yards, 2 tds) that will be duplicated 50 or 60x this year alone.I applaud the creativity with the attempt to make a scoring system that makes all the positions relatively valuable to each other. I'm sure it makes it makes it that much more exciting when your kicker is lining up for a 55 yarder. I think people get so used to only playing a certain way and dont like change or anything else they're not used to.
Pretty sure Sea Bass had 3 over 50 in the same game last year, along with a few shorties, he got over 20 points in that game (6 per 60 5 per 50 yarder 4 per 40 3 per 39 and below
 
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1) I adjusted for kick length in my rankings. I had Janikowski #1. That being said, who would ever take a St Lou kicker they never heard of.

2) I am not asking for the scoring to be changed mid-season.

3) 60 and 58 yarders in same game is impressive, but to outscore most teams QB + RB1 is insane. I guess I should use kickers as my flex position. Beats the poo I got from Jaquizz Rodgers.

4) I was just asking if anyone is in a league like this or seen something like this. I will be asking the scoring to be changed in the off season.

 
I went up against a team who scored 80 points between their kicker and defense. Welcome to loss numero uno. :rant:

 
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I like that kind of scoring. It makes kickers relevant instead of just tacking on 5-10 points to everyone's score for their kicker each week. Its why everyone on here doesnt care about kickers, and drafts them dead last. You have to pay a little more for the guys on high powered offenses and with bigger legs. If you're going to make a position irrelevant, why bother drafting them and even starting them? The guy kicked a 60 yarder and a 58 yarder in the same game. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that has never been done in the history of the nfl. If it has, gotta be less than 3 times. I personally believe that type of performance should be rewarded. I'm not sure why you're all up in arms that a kicker that had a game for the ages outscored some randomly decent game by Andy Dalton (244 yards, 3tds) or Roddy White (169 yards, 2 tds) that will be duplicated 50 or 60x this year alone.I applaud the creativity with the attempt to make a scoring system that makes all the positions relatively valuable to each other. I'm sure it makes it makes it that much more exciting when your kicker is lining up for a 55 yarder. I think people get so used to only playing a certain way and dont like change or anything else they're not used to.
I understand this logic, but it's incomplete. It isn't just the relative non-value of kickers in most leagues, but the UNPREDICTABILITY of said kickers. There is no consistancy, no predictability. No way to rank them from week to week or year to year. The top scoring kicker in any given week could come from literraly any team playing...even when his team is atrocious and puts up less than 200 yards of offense.There's a reason many fantasy leagues are dropping kickers altogether. We all accept that there is an element of luck in fantasy football...but kickers in scoring systems like this introduce too much luck. Might as well skip fantasy football and play roulette.
 
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Rule 17-b. If any kicker breaks the NFL record for longest field goal he gets infinity points and the league is instantly over, you win.

 
I get it each league can have whatever scoring they choose. I would also never play in a league where kickers are more valuable then other positions.

 
I like that kind of scoring. It makes kickers relevant instead of just tacking on 5-10 points to everyone's score for their kicker each week. Its why everyone on here doesnt care about kickers, and drafts them dead last. You have to pay a little more for the guys on high powered offenses and with bigger legs. If you're going to make a position irrelevant, why bother drafting them and even starting them? The guy kicked a 60 yarder and a 58 yarder in the same game. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that has never been done in the history of the nfl. If it has, gotta be less than 3 times. I personally believe that type of performance should be rewarded. I'm not sure why you're all up in arms that a kicker that had a game for the ages outscored some randomly decent game by Andy Dalton (244 yards, 3tds) or Roddy White (169 yards, 2 tds) that will be duplicated 50 or 60x this year alone.I applaud the creativity with the attempt to make a scoring system that makes all the positions relatively valuable to each other. I'm sure it makes it makes it that much more exciting when your kicker is lining up for a 55 yarder. I think people get so used to only playing a certain way and dont like change or anything else they're not used to.
I understand this logic, but it's incomplete. It isn't just the relative non-value of kickers in most leagues, but the UNPREDICTABILITY of said kickers. There is no consistancy, no predictability. No way to rank them from week to week or year to year. The top scoring kicker in any given week could come from literraly any team playing...even when his team is atrocious and puts up less than 200 yards of offense.There's a reason many fantasy leagues are dropping kickers altogether. We all accept that there is an element of luck in fantasy football...but kickers in scoring systems like this introduce too much luck. Might as well skip fantasy football and play roulette.
:goodposting:Everyone predicted Hartline to be the #1 WR this week and for Tannehill to throw for 431 yards. I wish kickers were as predictable as QBs and WRs.
 
I like that kind of scoring. It makes kickers relevant instead of just tacking on 5-10 points to everyone's score for their kicker each week. Its why everyone on here doesnt care about kickers, and drafts them dead last. You have to pay a little more for the guys on high powered offenses and with bigger legs. If you're going to make a position irrelevant, why bother drafting them and even starting them? The guy kicked a 60 yarder and a 58 yarder in the same game. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that has never been done in the history of the nfl. If it has, gotta be less than 3 times. I personally believe that type of performance should be rewarded. I'm not sure why you're all up in arms that a kicker that had a game for the ages outscored some randomly decent game by Andy Dalton (244 yards, 3tds) or Roddy White (169 yards, 2 tds) that will be duplicated 50 or 60x this year alone.I applaud the creativity with the attempt to make a scoring system that makes all the positions relatively valuable to each other. I'm sure it makes it makes it that much more exciting when your kicker is lining up for a 55 yarder. I think people get so used to only playing a certain way and dont like change or anything else they're not used to.
I understand this logic, but it's incomplete. It isn't just the relative non-value of kickers in most leagues, but the UNPREDICTABILITY of said kickers. There is no consistancy, no predictability. No way to rank them from week to week or year to year. The top scoring kicker in any given week could come from literraly any team playing...even when his team is atrocious and puts up less than 200 yards of offense.There's a reason many fantasy leagues are dropping kickers altogether. We all accept that there is an element of luck in fantasy football...but kickers in scoring systems like this introduce too much luck. Might as well skip fantasy football and play roulette.
:goodposting:Everyone predicted Hartline to be the #1 WR this week and for Tannehill to throw for 431 yards. I wish kickers were as predictable as QBs and WRs.
Hartline's day was an abberation. But look at Tannehill...did his fantasy numbers dwarf the normal leaders...or were they in line with the top QBs on any given week? Even Hartline's weren't much higher than guys we typically see lead the league (Roddy White this week).Position guys MAKE THEIR OWN CHANCES, or at the least, their chances are made by the success of their team. Kickers chances at a big day are, more often than not, made by the FAILURES of their teams.This kicker DOUBLED the normal high score of any position player, based on no unique talent of his own. Sorry...I find that silly and wouldn't want any part of a scoring system like that.
 
I understand this logic, but it's incomplete. It isn't just the relative non-value of kickers in most leagues, but the UNPREDICTABILITY of said kickers. There is no consistancy, no predictability. No way to rank them from week to week or year to year. The top scoring kicker in any given week could come from literraly any team playing...even when his team is atrocious and puts up less than 200 yards of offense.There's a reason many fantasy leagues are dropping kickers altogether. We all accept that there is an element of luck in fantasy football...but kickers in scoring systems like this introduce too much luck. Might as well skip fantasy football and play roulette.
:goodposting:Everyone predicted Hartline to be the #1 WR this week and for Tannehill to throw for 431 yards. I wish kickers were as predictable as QBs and WRs.
Hartline's day was an abberation. But look at Tannehill...did his fantasy numbers dwarf the normal leaders...or were they in line with the top QBs on any given week? Even Hartline's weren't much higher than guys we typically see lead the league (Roddy White this week).Position guys MAKE THEIR OWN CHANCES, or at the least, their chances are made by the success of their team. Kickers chances at a big day are, more often than not, made by the FAILURES of their teams.This kicker DOUBLED the normal high score of any position player, based on no unique talent of his own. Sorry...I find that silly and wouldn't want any part of a scoring system like that.
You got a lot of bad arguments here. Where to begin...
Hartline's day was an abberation.
Correct. As was Zuerlein's.
But look at Tannehill...did his fantasy numbers dwarf the normal leaders...or were they in line with the top QBs on any given week?
Please see Dawson and Barth from this week. Both were within 4.7 points of Zuerlein's scoring in my league so his points were inline with the other top kickers of the week.
Position guys MAKE THEIR OWN CHANCES, or at the least, their chances are made by the success of their team
This might be your worst one. How does a WR make his own chances if the QB doesn't throw him the ball? How does a RB make his own chances if he doesn't get any handoffs? All players are reliant on the offense as a whole.
Kickers chances at a big day are, more often than not, made by the FAILURES of their teams.
They are getting an opportunity to put points on the board. Punting or turning the ball over is a failure for an offense. Scoring points is not.
This kicker DOUBLED the normal high score of any position player, based on no unique talent of his own. Sorry...I find that silly and wouldn't want any part of a scoring system like that.
He was the 4th highest scorer in my league and within 5 points of another 10 or so players. We also only have 3 point passing TDs so I'm guessing that he would have been ranked much, much lower in standard scoring leagues.
 
Yesterday, that St Lou kicker had a good day, 4 FGs, a 60 yarder and another one in the 50s, plus two shorter ones.
A good day? That's an epic day for a kicker.
I asked the commish why he made kicker scoring so high, and he said because those are great plays, a 60 yard FG is rare. I agree on that, but it was like a 18 pt kick. Thats beyond rare for FFL scoring.If Calvin caught a 99 yard TD in our league, it would be a 15 pt play.
I think a 60+ yard FG is at least equally rare as a 90 yard TD
 
I get it each league can have whatever scoring they choose. I would also never play in a league where kickers are more valuable then other positions.
This is a good post. If you don't like the scoring in the league don't play in it. Arguing mid season about the scoring is wrong though. Change it for next year or whatever. But you knew what it was this year.
 
I think those points are a "bit" high.

But we also give very solid points for Def and Kickers when they have great days.

He got 33 points in our league, compared to Bradfords week 2 300yd 3td game of 38.

Also comparing Denver Def playing Oakland(36-6) they scored 35 points for this week.

And yah you'll find many people saying Def and Kickers are pretty much irrelevant in

the "grand scheme" if things when it comes to FF football, I don't think it should be

like that, and we've tried to tweak the scoring to make all positions worthy/relevant.

A good kicker day and a good Def day it should get solid points and contribute nicely.

To many leagues Kicker And Def just scores to low, crank um up, make um relevant there.

 
I understand this logic, but it's incomplete. It isn't just the relative non-value of kickers in most leagues, but the UNPREDICTABILITY of said kickers. There is no consistancy, no predictability. No way to rank them from week to week or year to year. The top scoring kicker in any given week could come from literraly any team playing...even when his team is atrocious and puts up less than 200 yards of offense.There's a reason many fantasy leagues are dropping kickers altogether. We all accept that there is an element of luck in fantasy football...but kickers in scoring systems like this introduce too much luck. Might as well skip fantasy football and play roulette.
:goodposting:Everyone predicted Hartline to be the #1 WR this week and for Tannehill to throw for 431 yards. I wish kickers were as predictable as QBs and WRs.
Hartline's day was an abberation. But look at Tannehill...did his fantasy numbers dwarf the normal leaders...or were they in line with the top QBs on any given week? Even Hartline's weren't much higher than guys we typically see lead the league (Roddy White this week).Position guys MAKE THEIR OWN CHANCES, or at the least, their chances are made by the success of their team. Kickers chances at a big day are, more often than not, made by the FAILURES of their teams.This kicker DOUBLED the normal high score of any position player, based on no unique talent of his own. Sorry...I find that silly and wouldn't want any part of a scoring system like that.
You got a lot of bad arguments here. Where to begin...
Hartline's day was an abberation.
Correct. As was Zuerlein's.
But look at Tannehill...did his fantasy numbers dwarf the normal leaders...or were they in line with the top QBs on any given week?
Please see Dawson and Barth from this week. Both were within 4.7 points of Zuerlein's scoring in my league so his points were inline with the other top kickers of the week.
Position guys MAKE THEIR OWN CHANCES, or at the least, their chances are made by the success of their team
This might be your worst one. How does a WR make his own chances if the QB doesn't throw him the ball? How does a RB make his own chances if he doesn't get any handoffs? All players are reliant on the offense as a whole.
Kickers chances at a big day are, more often than not, made by the FAILURES of their teams.
They are getting an opportunity to put points on the board. Punting or turning the ball over is a failure for an offense. Scoring points is not.
This kicker DOUBLED the normal high score of any position player, based on no unique talent of his own. Sorry...I find that silly and wouldn't want any part of a scoring system like that.
He was the 4th highest scorer in my league and within 5 points of another 10 or so players. We also only have 3 point passing TDs so I'm guessing that he would have been ranked much, much lower in standard scoring leagues.
Thank you for saving me the time of having to respond to that post...My thoughts exactly and you put it more eloquently than i would have.
 
That earned him 48 pts in our league. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:lmao:

I have no issues for bonuses for longer kicks but this is insane.

Kickers in our league get

3 pts = 0-39 yds

4 pts = 40-49 yds

5 pts = 50-59 yds

6 pts = 60+ yds
we are 3,5,7,12. Way back in the day it was 3,5,10,15 but we realized early on that was way out of line. We also give bonuses for length of TD so that offsets "high" kickers
 
I like that kind of scoring. It makes kickers relevant instead of just tacking on 5-10 points to everyone's score for their kicker each week. Its why everyone on here doesnt care about kickers, and drafts them dead last. You have to pay a little more for the guys on high powered offenses and with bigger legs. If you're going to make a position irrelevant, why bother drafting them and even starting them? The guy kicked a 60 yarder and a 58 yarder in the same game. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that has never been done in the history of the nfl. If it has, gotta be less than 3 times. I personally believe that type of performance should be rewarded. I'm not sure why you're all up in arms that a kicker that had a game for the ages outscored some randomly decent game by Andy Dalton (244 yards, 3tds) or Roddy White (169 yards, 2 tds) that will be duplicated 50 or 60x this year alone.I applaud the creativity with the attempt to make a scoring system that makes all the positions relatively valuable to each other. I'm sure it makes it makes it that much more exciting when your kicker is lining up for a 55 yarder. I think people get so used to only playing a certain way and dont like change or anything else they're not used to.
Pretty sure Sea Bass had 3 over 50 in the same game last year, along with a few shorties, he got over 20 points in that game (6 per 60 5 per 50 yarder 4 per 40 3 per 39 and below
I know kickers have had multiple 50+ yard fg's in a game, but there's a big difference between a 52 yarder and a 60 yarder. The vast majority of kickers in the league dont even get the oppurtunity to try a fg that long, much less actually make it with the lower trajectory kick needed against a pash rush. I'm sure someone will look this up at some point, but isnt the 60 yarder something like the 4 or 5 longest fg ever kicked? In the tens of thousands of games played since football began, something as rare a 60 yard fg should be rewarded like the accomplishment it is in my opinion.I also feel like I'm in the twilight zone reading some of these responses. Each scoring system should be looked at relative to that particular league...not your own. So many guys are saying..."18 pts...like whoa...that's a lot!" because they're picturing that score in their own scoring system. $362 sounds like a lot for a coke til you realize you're buying it in zimbabwe dollars...
 
1) I adjusted for kick length in my rankings. I had Janikowski #1. That being said, who would ever take a St Lou kicker they never heard of.
I just wanted to add that he's been heard of, it's just that your league maybe had not heard of him. I'm in several leagues where this guy was drafted and gone prior to the start of the season because of the history behind the kicker and his place within the Rams offense. In short, Zuerlein is a mix of Janikowski's power and Viniteri's accuracy, and is playing on a Jeff Fisher offense. Rob Bironas is an example of what Jeff Fisher does with kickers. :boxing: Point wise, I don't think there's anything wrong with rewarding a good amount of points for great distance kicks. If they are not rewarded the kicker position might as well just be dropped and be done with it.
 
Wasn't there a thread about this happening hypothetically?

I think that thread sort of assumed you'd understand the league scoring though so not really the same thing.

 
I like that kind of scoring. It makes kickers relevant instead of just tacking on 5-10 points to everyone's score for their kicker each week. Its why everyone on here doesnt care about kickers, and drafts them dead last. You have to pay a little more for the guys on high powered offenses and with bigger legs. If you're going to make a position irrelevant, why bother drafting them and even starting them?

The guy kicked a 60 yarder and a 58 yarder in the same game. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that has never been done in the history of the nfl. If it has, gotta be less than 3 times. I personally believe that type of performance should be rewarded. I'm not sure why you're all up in arms that a kicker that had a game for the ages outscored some randomly decent game by Andy Dalton (244 yards, 3tds) or Roddy White (169 yards, 2 tds) that will be duplicated 50 or 60x this year alone.

I applaud the creativity with the attempt to make a scoring system that makes all the positions relatively valuable to each other. I'm sure it makes it makes it that much more exciting when your kicker is lining up for a 55 yarder.

I think people get so used to only playing a certain way and dont like change or anything else they're not used to.
Pretty sure Sea Bass had 3 over 50 in the same game last year, along with a few shorties, he got over 20 points in that game (6 per 60 5 per 50 yarder 4 per 40 3 per 39 and below
I know kickers have had multiple 50+ yard fg's in a game, but there's a big difference between a 52 yarder and a 60 yarder. The vast majority of kickers in the league dont even get the oppurtunity to try a fg that long, much less actually make it with the lower trajectory kick needed against a pash rush. I'm sure someone will look this up at some point, but isnt the 60 yarder something like the 4 or 5 longest fg ever kicked? In the tens of thousands of games played since football began, something as rare a 60 yard fg should be rewarded like the accomplishment it is in my opinion.

I also feel like I'm in the twilight zone reading some of these responses. Each scoring system should be looked at relative to that particular league...not your own. So many guys are saying..."18 pts...like whoa...that's a lot!" because they're picturing that score in their own scoring system. $362 sounds like a lot for a coke til you realize you're buying it in zimbabwe dollars...
:goodposting:
 
Yesterday, that St Lou kicker had a good day, 4 FGs, a 60 yarder and another one in the 50s, plus two shorter ones.
A good day? That's an epic day for a kicker.
I asked the commish why he made kicker scoring so high, and he said because those are great plays, a 60 yard FG is rare. I agree on that, but it was like a 18 pt kick. Thats beyond rare for FFL scoring.If Calvin caught a 99 yard TD in our league, it would be a 15 pt play.
I think a 60+ yard FG is at least equally rare as a 90 yard TD
So it should be worth the same, just half as many points.
 
I also feel like I'm in the twilight zone reading some of these responses. Each scoring system should be looked at relative to that particular league...not your own. So many guys are saying..."18 pts...like whoa...that's a lot!" because they're picturing that score in their own scoring system. $362 sounds like a lot for a coke til you realize you're buying it in zimbabwe dollars...
No, 18 points sounds like a lot when the most you can get for a TD is 15.
 
0-39 = 3 points

40+ = +1

In our leage, a 40 yarder and a 70 yarder get the same 4 points, lol

 
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