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My Stock Value Strategy Starts Now (3 Viewers)

The best part....

Rep: You could use a margin to prevent this.

Me: You'll set up a margin on an IRA account?

Rep: Oh...nevermind.

 
The Ref said:
Random said:
HEB getting tattooed, back down to 2.33
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I do not understand what is going on with this stock. I dont get how a stock can go up 33% in 5 minutes two days in row and retrace back to where it started. There will be a book written on this, someone somewhere is a crook.
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What happens is people throw up a stop order...typically they'll stick it at an even number...so in the case:$2.00, $2.10, $2.20, $2.25 etc.These orders are "open" and seen by the Market Maker. He can also see "profit" orders. So he can drive down price up and down to panic and steal shares from weak hands and pass them off. A good MM is playing both sides of fear and greed. No need for a book. This happens all day every day.
 
On the plus side, if the market tanks over the next day or so I'll be thanking them for holding me hostage.

 
siffoin said:
moderated said:
buying Sept 90 Puts on GLD.once the general public starts all thinking one way they are usually wrong, so i'll take the other side and bet against gold.
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Just to throw out another idea...Instead of buying the 90 puts...you could write the 100 Calls.This pays you $4.10.With a stock 3 things can happen: it can go up...it can go down or it can stay flat. Buying an option means you must be correct in which way the stock is going to move AND in the timeframe it is going to move. Premium burn (time erosion) is a killer. When you write an option premium burn is your friend. Your breakeven on the 90 puts is $86.25. So unless you think GLD is going far below $86...writing the 100 call will accomplish more.
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hmmm, interesting idea and probably a better route, but unfortunately the trade account i use doesn't allow me to write calls.
 
siffoin said:
The Ref said:
Random said:
HEB getting tattooed, back down to 2.33
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I do not understand what is going on with this stock. I dont get how a stock can go up 33% in 5 minutes two days in row and retrace back to where it started. There will be a book written on this, someone somewhere is a crook.
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What happens is people throw up a stop order...typically they'll stick it at an even number...so in the case:$2.00, $2.10, $2.20, $2.25 etc.These orders are "open" and seen by the Market Maker. He can also see "profit" orders. So he can drive down price up and down to panic and steal shares from weak hands and pass them off. A good MM is playing both sides of fear and greed. No need for a book. This happens all day every day.
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i get the concept (I think), but overpaying by 33% to buy the profit orders puts you out there. That is unless you know the stock has some news (like it's being approved).
 
Wierd activity on FEED today. Somebody market sold a block of over 400,000 shares at 1:39 EST. Dropped the price $0.43 or 6% instantly. Somebody wanted out fast or more likely somebody screwed up when they put that order in.

Edit: Cost themselves like $170K

 
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Random said:
KGB said:
bd3521 said:
It looks like no HEB news slated for today.

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/NewsEvents/ucm130961.htm
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:confused: Oh well. Been holding this for weeks. Another won't hurt
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So what now? Its going to be another week? Or could it still be reported after market close?
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Wednesdays aren't the only days they approve or reject. And it can still be reported after hours, all that link showed was what has already been announced today. VNDA was announced after hours.
 
The Ref said:
siffoin said:
The Ref said:
Random said:
HEB getting tattooed, back down to 2.33
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I do not understand what is going on with this stock. I dont get how a stock can go up 33% in 5 minutes two days in row and retrace back to where it started. There will be a book written on this, someone somewhere is a crook.
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What happens is people throw up a stop order...typically they'll stick it at an even number...so in the case:$2.00, $2.10, $2.20, $2.25 etc.These orders are "open" and seen by the Market Maker. He can also see "profit" orders. So he can drive down price up and down to panic and steal shares from weak hands and pass them off. A good MM is playing both sides of fear and greed. No need for a book. This happens all day every day.
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i get the concept (I think), but overpaying by 33% to buy the profit orders puts you out there. That is unless you know the stock has some news (like it's being approved).
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No the MM doesn't overpay. He doesn't necessarily have to care..or be invested. He'll run it up as long as he can bring in panic buyers then shake them out as weak sellers. He'll can see the real time support and resistance not as a technical indicator but as in price...and play that game just between the two back and forth all day long. As the MM for HEB this is a great moment...lots of volatility makes him rich. Tonight he's eating prime rib, calling his wife and kids telling them to put in the new swimming pool all the while getting a bj from a $5000 hooker.
 
siffoin said:
The Ref said:
siffoin said:
The Ref said:
Random said:
HEB getting tattooed, back down to 2.33
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I do not understand what is going on with this stock. I dont get how a stock can go up 33% in 5 minutes two days in row and retrace back to where it started. There will be a book written on this, someone somewhere is a crook.
Click to expand...
What happens is people throw up a stop order...typically they'll stick it at an even number...so in the case:$2.00, $2.10, $2.20, $2.25 etc.These orders are "open" and seen by the Market Maker. He can also see "profit" orders. So he can drive down price up and down to panic and steal shares from weak hands and pass them off. A good MM is playing both sides of fear and greed. No need for a book. This happens all day every day.
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i get the concept (I think), but overpaying by 33% to buy the profit orders puts you out there. That is unless you know the stock has some news (like it's being approved).
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No the MM doesn't overpay. He doesn't necessarily have to care..or be invested. He'll run it up as long as he can bring in panic buyers then shake them out as weak sellers. He'll can see the real time support and resistance not as a technical indicator but as in price...and play that game just between the two back and forth all day long. As the MM for HEB this is a great moment...lots of volatility makes him rich. Tonight he's eating prime rib, calling his wife and kids telling them to put in the new swimming pool all the while getting a bj from a $5000 hooker.
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Sweet. So how does one become a market maker? :confused:
 
The Z Machine said:
My PRGN order at 5.29 never filled. :confused: Still hold 350 shares though at 5.35 though.
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It's probably because I had my bankroll ready to pounce at $5.30. You were going to need to get through me to get those shares...lol I am pissed though that I did not load up at 5.31-5.33 as it was becoming obvious that the market was trying to rally.
 
Weird day for me, but very happy with how it went. I banked some dollars and have DRYS and PRGN cheap. I am upside down some in DRYS but not worried at all. Actually holding a profit in PRGN. If either go lower tomorrow (and BDI is up), I am adding shares.

 
David Dodds said:
Weird day for me, but very happy with how it went. I banked some dollars and have DRYS and PRGN cheap. I am upside down some in DRYS but not worried at all. Actually holding a profit in PRGN. If either go lower tomorrow (and BDI is up), I am adding shares.
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Hey DD. Did u stay in KERX? I had to dump to get back in prgn. Woulda liked to stick it out though.
 
I am working on another plan for GPRE, now that it is trading below $6 in after hours, but I need to find out if GPRE's partner VBV LLC has sold any of their 11+ million shares.

I can't find that info, can someone point me to institution reports of shares sold?

 
KGB said:
David Dodds said:
Weird day for me, but very happy with how it went. I banked some dollars and have DRYS and PRGN cheap. I am upside down some in DRYS but not worried at all. Actually holding a profit in PRGN. If either go lower tomorrow (and BDI is up), I am adding shares.
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Hey DD. Did u stay in KERX? I had to dump to get back in prgn. Woulda liked to stick it out though.
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I am sticking it out. I only have 2,000 shares. I don't think I will cost average down or anything though as I don't have a clue about this.
 
Small fish here ... but I averaged in today on PRGN: currently holding 900 @ 5.46

Wish I would have kept my buy order in for FEED at 6.75 last night ... learning as I go.

 
I don't have the time right now, but I would love to know how many PRGN shares have changed hands (in total) as a result of this topic. I think we have held as many as 75K shares at one point. Thats 7-8% of average volume.

 
The Ref said:
I don't have the time right now, but I would love to know how many PRGN shares have changed hands (in total) as a result of this topic. I think we have held as many as 75K shares at one point. Thats 7-8% of average volume.
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I think we have had more than that. I have had nearly 30K shares a few times and moderated also is holding at those levels. It is pretty nuts to think how many we do control though....lol
 
KGB said:
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
Buckna said:
Hostile Takeover! We can rename some of their ships after prominent posters. :unsure:
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And every press release will contain a who's hottest poll
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And fill one with wheat pennies for storage.
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July 14th 2009 Athens - Dry Shipper PRGN exceeded earnings today by.30 per share. Revenues were up due to an increase to the BDI, increased demand for Iron ore in China, Higher then expected worldwide consumption of oil, and general expansion to world trade. Shares were up $1.80 to $8.55 at mid day. PRGN shares suddenly dropped after hours as the new Paragon Chairman of the board, simply known as "Moderated", announced the purchase plan of a brand new Capesize vessel Christened "FBG Doddinator" for $375M in wheat pennies.
 
I am getting pretty frustrated. Happy to see you all making money, but lamenting missing out on the PRGN move. I keep on thinking were due for a pull back here.

So, I was short NOC as I mentioned earlier. Then I covered for a decent gain. Then I got short again at 48.75 ish and am sitting on a nice gain.

Nothing personal guys...but I cant wait for this market to get hammered so I can join in the PRGN party at lower levels.

Still sitting on EMIS, but its not moving around at all.

 
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I am getting pretty frustrated. Happy to see you all making money, but lamenting missing out on the PRGN move. I keep on thinking were due for a pull back here.So, I was short NOC as I mentioned earlier. Then I covered for a decent gain. Then I got short again at 48.75 ish and am sitting on a nice gain. Nothing personal guys...but I cant wait for this market to get hammered so I can join in the PRGN party at lower levels.Still sitting on EMIS, but its not moving around at all.
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$5.40 is a lower level. This is almost as low as their pre-killer earnings report.
 
AGEN up big again pre-market....

Was kicking myself for selling at $2.35 yesterday when it went up to $3.24... i bought back in at $2.55...

It's at $3.35 pre-market... :lmao:

 
I see DRYS is defaulting on buying a ship.

Ship Default

The Company has entered into agreements to cancel the previously announced acquisition of a 180,000 dwt Capesize newbuilding, Hull 2089, currently under construction in South Korea for a contract price of $114 million. Under the terms of the various agreements, DryShips will pay a total cancellation penalty of $42.8 million, including the initial deposit of 20%. This cancellation will further reduce DryShips' 2009 capital expenditures by $71.2 million.

My Take - This is what I hate about this company. How can it be right to waste $42M here??? That's 37.5% of the price to buy it?

 
PRGN is at $5.25 in the Pre-Market. You know I am buying at those levels. I would say the chance that this stock isn't up at least a dollar by 2nd quarter reporting (August 9th) is close to nil. So with dividend that would make this worth 20% easily to just sit and hold as a worst case situation.

This is starting to get VERY VERY easy in my opinion. If the BDI is up and PRGN opens lower too this really does become comical. PRGN is locking down future years now at these nice rates. They have authority to BUY $20M in shares back before the end of the year. I can't even imagine a scenario where this company is not higher that this very soon.

Add in that they are likely the best asset for someone else to BUY in this space and this is robbery.

 
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playin4beer said:
AGEN up big again pre-market....Was kicking myself for selling at $2.35 yesterday when it went up to $3.24... i bought back in at $2.55... It's at $3.35 pre-market... :wolf:
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Well done. I'm kicking myself for not having the smarts/balls to buy back in.
 
HEB and AGEN both up nicely so far…..

AGEN cleared its debt by converting it to equity.

HEB news on the Japanese love for the Ampligen for the FLU pandemic.

Keep it moving. Please, don’t let the train derail just yet. Still can’t take profits – too greedy – want more…what are other HEB and AGEN holders doing?

 
I'm selling HEB after huge peaks and then buying back. Currently holding 750 free shares. Trying to do the same with CTIC.

 
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