My top 20 RBs based on projections right now (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

I think he easily gets 300 carries and 4.0 yards/carry is not unrealistic based on his prior year (5.0) and the offensive line. I have no clue as far as receptions, I can see as little as 15 or something like 35-40 depending on the confidence of Sanchez. I can easily see Sanchez evolving into a checkdown qb and feeding a ton of passes in the flat to Greene. None of this is a knock on Jones but I feel Greene at this stage is superior in physical attributes. Tjones is/was a really smart runner for the past 2 years. Hopefully that has rubbed off on Greene.

After re-reading your initial post and the last one you are putting a ton of stock in LT. He is done. D O N E. I this point I doubt he will cut into Greenes carries. LT has been washed up for 2 years now and I doubt he even gets too many 3rd down plays after mid season.

Do you know how few RBs get that many carries? With LT and Washington at some point in the mix, I can't see the 2nd year back rushing it 300+ times...I have him at 240 right now which is a 15 per week avg...and if he misses a game or two it doesn't skew it much. It's easy to project big numbers but you gotta have some reasons. You're saying TJ got this so Greene has to get this...I actually have Greene for 240/960/10 TD, but I see very little for him receiving. He can have 75/TD a week for several weeks but he isn't going to just blaze by defenses, he isn't speed guy I don't think.

1,400 yds, top10, there are some really talented backs you are vaulting him over. I love the Jets as far as playoff contender and all that but I think the run game will be very diverse and they will strive to keep their backs healthy. Look what happened to Greene when they overused him in the playoffs? A 300+ carry load? That's a leap of faith I can't join in at the moment.

You just lost all credibility in this argument. Greene is a super speedy guy. Big and fast. Washington is coming off a major injury somewhat late in the season and like I said before LT is pretty useless at this point. He has no quickness left or lateral movement. He aint taking anything from Greene.Just looking over his stats and he caught a 85 yard pass last year so he has receiving skills.

How did I lose credibility? I am the only one putting any facts and figures into this, are you serious? My credibility is at stake here? You sound like you're reaching. Look at what Greene did last year...Washington went down and he wasn't used much till very late in the season, had back to back games with 20+ carries and then went down with an injury in the AFC Championship...when LT did that a few years ago everyone got mad...Greene did it and we are ready to roll him out with 300+ carries?I think it is the suxor that I was really into unwrapping this with you and then you panic and tell me my board credibility is at issue here. This is suppose to be the time of year when the true addicts in this hobby come together and have a little more meaningful discussion than where you went with this.

I encourage you to come and post in my threads but in the future please don't resort to a win/lose situation in here. It's not about being right or wrong but it is about peeling back why people feel the way they do and to this point I don't see how you are connecting the dots to the reason you feel he will be a top10 back.

Cheers,

MOP

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This list isn't making much sense to me.LT? Really!???Where's McCoy? Assuming Bell remains an Eagle, there will be no significant challenge on the roster for touches in Philly. Even non-believers in his skill would have to realistically place him in the 15-17 area, and top ten (in PPR anyway) is a very real possibility.

Hi Rene, I have McCoy at #21, and would likely slide Kevin SMith out of this top20 I tossed together. I have him at about 200/800, 48/320, and 5-6 total TDs...what do you have him penciled in with?Did Andy Reid change his offensive philosophy in th eoff season? I dount it so I don't see any Philly back with much more than about 200-225 carries, even Westbrook didn't tote it all that much.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

What did you see from Moreno that makes you think he deserves an "uptick"? If anything, i think he deserves a "downtick". Not even taking his 3.8 YPC into account, he just didnt look very good, and Buckhalter looked better than him running the football. Moreno looked OK catching the football, and ran with some power, but i dont see him anything more than a part of RBBC in the future. I spent the 1.1 rookie pick on him last year, so i hope im wrong, but i dont think so.

Greetings GD,I think he was taken fairly high in the draft last year and also McDaniel is going to want to showcase this guy. I don't think he's special but I didn't give him special numbers either. Last year he had about 250/1000....it wasn't quite that good but just about...I increased his carries form 15-16 a game up to roughly 17 a game...that's about what 275 carries is. I gave him about a 4 ypc avg, slightly higher than last year but not much, 32 receptions is only 2 per game, and I gave him 10 TDs, last year he had about 8 IIRC...it's not a big uptick, a rather small one for a high 1st rounder form a year ago.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Jesus. The Greene homers have descended from the mountains again. Close the gates!

I didn't know there was so much hype about him, truly this is new for me...he did not pop off the screen to me as a top10 candidate, surprised so many believe he is.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Also curious about Steven Jackson's numbers. You say he misses time often, but he played in 16 games last season, despite having well publicized back issues on a team that was going nowhere. That tells me he's a warrior in every football sense of the word. So do you suspect he'll have a down year from last year just based on missing time, or due to multiple reasons?

I was gonna start a thread on him...he will be going into year 7, 1,500+ carries, not as much of a factor in redraft leagues. He has little in the OL run blocking in front of him, no WR weapons and QB to take heat of the run game, fairly poor defense that doesn't give him a lot of opps on a short field where he can do some damage.

All of that was true last season, and he still amassed over 1,400 rushing yards. The OL actually showed some improvement before injuries took their toll and Jackson's ypc average took a dip. I realize you said it's still early and there's time to adjust his projected stats, but apart from predicting he misses significant time, 1,050 rushing yards seems unlikely to me regardless of his supporting cast.

He did that rushing total or thereabouts in 2007 and 2008...year 7 1,500+ carries, almost went down again last year and took pain killers and cortizone shots for his back...that adds up after awhile. I have him top10 for right now...how far off am I?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think he easily gets 300 carries and 4.0 yards/carry is not unrealistic based on his prior year (5.0) and the offensive line. I have no clue as far as receptions, I can see as little as 15 or something like 35-40 depending on the confidence of Sanchez. I can easily see Sanchez evolving into a checkdown qb and feeding a ton of passes in the flat to Greene. None of this is a knock on Jones but I feel Greene at this stage is superior in physical attributes. Tjones is/was a really smart runner for the past 2 years. Hopefully that has rubbed off on Greene.

After re-reading your initial post and the last one you are putting a ton of stock in LT. He is done. D O N E. I this point I doubt he will cut into Greenes carries. LT has been washed up for 2 years now and I doubt he even gets too many 3rd down plays after mid season.

Do you know how few RBs get that many carries? With LT and Washington at some point in the mix, I can't see the 2nd year back rushing it 300+ times...I have him at 240 right now which is a 15 per week avg...and if he misses a game or two it doesn't skew it much. It's easy to project big numbers but you gotta have some reasons. You're saying TJ got this so Greene has to get this...I actually have Greene for 240/960/10 TD, but I see very little for him receiving. He can have 75/TD a week for several weeks but he isn't going to just blaze by defenses, he isn't speed guy I don't think.

1,400 yds, top10, there are some really talented backs you are vaulting him over. I love the Jets as far as playoff contender and all that but I think the run game will be very diverse and they will strive to keep their backs healthy. Look what happened to Greene when they overused him in the playoffs? A 300+ carry load? That's a leap of faith I can't join in at the moment.

You just lost all credibility in this argument. Greene is a super speedy guy. Big and fast. Washington is coming off a major injury somewhat late in the season and like I said before LT is pretty useless at this point. He has no quickness left or lateral movement. He aint taking anything from Greene.Just looking over his stats and he caught a 85 yard pass last year so he has receiving skills.

I could be mistaken, but I believe this is completely false. I dont think speed is Greene's game at all. I remember reading all of the scouting reports on him last year that made him sound like a plodder. A Rudi Johnson type runner, who makes up for his lack of speed with power and a great initial burst. I dont watch much college ball, and Greene's 100 carries last year were not enough for me to make any decisions on this on my own - just regurgitating what I read in preparation for last year's rookie draft.

Anyone know his 40 times?

ETA - I was not mistaken. I looked up his 40 times. Not speedy.

Name: *Shonn Greene

College: Iowa Number: 23

Height: 5-11 Weight: 227

Position: RB Pos2: FB/H-back

Class/Draft Year: Jr/2009

40 Time: 4.62 40 Low: 4.54 40 High: 4.70

Post-Draft Outlook: A closer look at the Jets' picks: Round 3/65 -- Shonn Greene, RB, 5-11, 227, Iowa...Just as they did with Sanchez, the Jets traded (three picks this time) so they could move up and grab the bulky tailback with excellent vision and the ability to run hard between the tackles. Greene rushed for 1,850 yards as a junior in 2008, with 20 rushing touchdowns and 6.0 yards per carry and won the Doak Walker Award as the top running back in the nation. He missed the 2007 season because he was academically ineligible, so has had only season as a starter. He can make yardage after contact and can find holes, but his speed has been questioned, as he runs only a 4.62 in the 40. He needs to improve in the passing game, both as a receiver and in picking up blitzes. - by The Sports Xchange

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dspro...9&genpos=RB

He ran a 4.63, he's not Chris Johnson but that is not the measuring stick here...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Thanks for taking an early-season stab at this MOP.Do you have Lynch with the Bills, or somewhere else?

Buffalo for now

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The absence of Beanie Wells is concerning. Kevin Smith may not play much this year and it's doubtful he's the primary RB if/when he does return.Other than that, I love reading these type of projections. Great for discussion.

Smith might not be ready, that's true. I have Beanie Wells at #26 with 225/900/8, 16/120...he's not a big receiving threat, AZ still has a pretty woeful run blocking OL...doesn't scream optimism plus he gets nicked up.

only 225 rushing attempts for Beanie without Warner? how many you putting for Hightower?I wont be surprised to see 380 rushing attempts from ARI RBs. 260-270 Beanie (16-18/per gm), 120-140 Highower (7-9/per game).

It's March

 

[Go deep]

Jesus. The Greene homers have descended from the mountains again. Close the gates!

There are two kinds of people when it comes to Greene. Those who think he has a real good chance of being a top 10 RB. And those who are mad they passed on him in their rookie drafts.

I traded up in a couple of drafts last year.....to grab Crabtree in one and Stafford in the other. Even if I had to do it again, Greene wouldn't be a consideration. It would seem Greene will be this year what Forte was last year.

I cant believe if you had it to do all over you wouldnt take Greene. Barring some kind of freakish scoring system, i am positive you could trade Greene for Stafford + something significant. I would also like to think you could get Crabtree and something for him. Greene could very well end up as the next Matt Forte, but Crabtree could be the next Michael Clayton, and Stafford - Alex Smith. Im not so sure ending up as Forte is that bad anyway, i think he bounces back this year, now that he is healthy and has Taylor to lighten his load.For the record, i do own Greene in one league, but im in 5 leagues and pretty much own every player in at least one of them. I took DBrown and Mccoy ahead of Greene in two of them. I still like Brown, not so much Mccoy, but would gladly switch my picks for Greene.

 

[Donnybrook]

Jesus. The Greene homers have descended from the mountains again. Close the gates!

There are two kinds of people when it comes to Greene. Those who think he has a real good chance of being a top 10 RB. And those who are mad they passed on him in their rookie drafts.

I traded up in a couple of drafts last year.....to grab Crabtree in one and Stafford in the other. Even if I had to do it again, Greene wouldn't be a consideration. It would seem Greene will be this year what Forte was last year.

Yah. The Bears and Jets Olines are pretty much equal.

 

[T.Rex]

For a guy that cant catch and was a 2nd day pick in the NFL just LAST YEAR it's crazy that a couple of good playoff runs has people acting as if Green could be a top 10 back is funny..

Kevin Jones and Julius Jones had more promise than Green does going into their second season.

In the leagues I have him in I think i'll be selling and hopefully to some kool-aide drinker like ive seen in this thread. I honestly dont understand the hype... seriously what is it based off????

 

[Go deep]

For a guy that cant catch and was a 2nd day pick in the NFL just LAST YEAR it's crazy that a couple of good playoff runs has people acting as if Green could be a top 10 back is funny..

Kevin Jones and Julius Jones had more promise than Green does going into their second season.

In the leagues I have him in I think i'll be selling and hopefully to some kool-aide drinker like ive seen in this thread. I honestly dont understand the hype... seriously what is it based off????

Yep, and not many people thought Ray Rice or MJD were going to be top 5 dynasty backs before they were either.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Jesus. The Greene homers have descended from the mountains again. Close the gates!

There are two kinds of people when it comes to Greene. Those who think he has a real good chance of being a top 10 RB. And those who are mad they passed on him in their rookie drafts.

I traded up in a couple of drafts last year.....to grab Crabtree in one and Stafford in the other. Even if I had to do it again, Greene wouldn't be a consideration. It would seem Greene will be this year what Forte was last year.

I cant believe if you had it to do all over you wouldnt take Greene. Barring some kind of freakish scoring system, i am positive you could trade Greene for Stafford + something significant. I would also like to think you could get Crabtree and something for him. Greene could very well end up as the next Matt Forte, but Crabtree could be the next Michael Clayton, and Stafford - Alex Smith. Im not so sure ending up as Forte is that bad anyway, i think he bounces back this year, now that he is healthy and has Taylor to lighten his load.For the record, i do own Greene in one league, but im in 5 leagues and pretty much own every player in at least one of them. I took DBrown and Mccoy ahead of Greene in two of them. I still like Brown, not so much Mccoy, but would gladly switch my picks for Greene.

My comment about Forte was in regards to being overvalued and dissapointing his owners this past season. Not a knock on Forte, just comparing his situation and Greene's. I wouldn't trade Stafford or Crabtree straight up for Greene, but that's just me. I'd still take Moreno over him. It's in my opinion that he's being overhyped, having to share the backfield with 2 others. I will gladly let someone else take him much earlier than me.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Jesus. The Greene homers have descended from the mountains again. Close the gates!

There are two kinds of people when it comes to Greene. Those who think he has a real good chance of being a top 10 RB. And those who are mad they passed on him in their rookie drafts.

I traded up in a couple of drafts last year.....to grab Crabtree in one and Stafford in the other. Even if I had to do it again, Greene wouldn't be a consideration. It would seem Greene will be this year what Forte was last year.

Yah. The Bears and Jets Olines are pretty much equal.

Ummmmm......that situation has nothing to do with what I was implying.

 

[Go deep]

Jesus. The Greene homers have descended from the mountains again. Close the gates!

There are two kinds of people when it comes to Greene. Those who think he has a real good chance of being a top 10 RB. And those who are mad they passed on him in their rookie drafts.

I traded up in a couple of drafts last year.....to grab Crabtree in one and Stafford in the other. Even if I had to do it again, Greene wouldn't be a consideration. It would seem Greene will be this year what Forte was last year.

I cant believe if you had it to do all over you wouldnt take Greene. Barring some kind of freakish scoring system, i am positive you could trade Greene for Stafford + something significant. I would also like to think you could get Crabtree and something for him. Greene could very well end up as the next Matt Forte, but Crabtree could be the next Michael Clayton, and Stafford - Alex Smith. Im not so sure ending up as Forte is that bad anyway, i think he bounces back this year, now that he is healthy and has Taylor to lighten his load.For the record, i do own Greene in one league, but im in 5 leagues and pretty much own every player in at least one of them. I took DBrown and Mccoy ahead of Greene in two of them. I still like Brown, not so much Mccoy, but would gladly switch my picks for Greene.

My comment about Forte was in regards to being overvalued and dissapointing his owners this past season. Not a knock on Forte, just comparing his situation and Greene's. I wouldn't trade Stafford or Crabtree straight up for Greene, but that's just me. I'd still take Moreno over him. It's in my opinion that he's being overhyped, having to share the backfield with 2 others. I will gladly let someone else take him much earlier than me.

You might not, but i bet most of your leaguemates would.

 

[SproutDaddy]

You might not, but i bet most of your leaguemates would.

You're probably right. I'd be selling him at the right time now.......if I owned him.

 

[renesauz]

This list isn't making much sense to me.LT? Really!???Where's McCoy? Assuming Bell remains an Eagle, there will be no significant challenge on the roster for touches in Philly. Even non-believers in his skill would have to realistically place him in the 15-17 area, and top ten (in PPR anyway) is a very real possibility.

Hi Rene, I have McCoy at #21, and would likely slide Kevin SMith out of this top20 I tossed together. I have him at about 200/800, 48/320, and 5-6 total TDs...what do you have him penciled in with?Did Andy Reid change his offensive philosophy in th eoff season? I dount it so I don't see any Philly back with much more than about 200-225 carries, even Westbrook didn't tote it all that much.

Thought I saw only a top 20??? No...AR didn't change his philosophy. 225 carries or so is realistic...assume a 4.1 ypc and you get 922 yards. But the kid's got pretty good hands coming out of the backfield, and 50 receptions for another 400 yards seems more then reasonable. 1320 yards, 7-8 TD's, on 50 receptions would net a top 15 finish in PPR. Personally, I think these projections I just gave to be fairly conservative in AR's offense.ETA: He logged 4.1 ypc last year, but seemed to get better/less tentative later in the year, making that figure far more likely to go up then down. More importantly, he caught 40 passes last year in a part time role. Non-PPR, I could see ranking him in the 20ish area, but in PPR he's a very safe bet for top 15, with top ten a very real possibility.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

As I stopped laughing at LT's ranking, I then started againb with Lynch ranking.YIKES!!

Good backs to debate. What would you project LT for? You don't think he will be asked to carry the ball in and around the goal line? People need to calm down with the Greene hype, that guy looked alright but he has no receiving skills that I saw, something LT excels in, and I don't believe Washingotn will be ready to go either.Lynch had over 1,000 yds rushing in 2007 and 2008, but he's had some off field issues. Still he is only about 24 and I think Chan Gailey has a good track history of rushing attempts, both in his days as HC with Dallas, and as OC in Pitt. I have lynch carrying the ball 15 times a game...I don't see that as unreachable.

Just my opinion here but I don't think Leon Washington will have any lingering effects from his injury. He did not have any ligament damage and bones often heal stronger after they are broken. I know it's not the same as playing NFL football but he was walking around w/o a limp a month and a half ago.

 

[ADP]

2. ADP- 300/1350/14, 40/360/1...1700/15

If anything, the offseason should have increased his projections with the loss of Chester Taylor. I think 1500 rushing yards is probably more likely for ADP.

I also think his receiving stats will go up. He had 42 catches for 435 last year with Taylor. And without Taylor you project him at 40? This doesn't make sense. I think 50-60 catches is more likely with 550 yards or so.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

2. ADP- 300/1350/14, 40/360/1...1700/15If anything, the offseason should have increased his projections with the loss of Chester Taylor. I think 1500 rushing yards is probably more likely for ADP.I also think his receiving stats will go up. He had 42 catches for 435 last year with Taylor. And without Taylor you project him at 40? This doesn't make sense. I think 50-60 catches is more likely with 550 yards or so.

I think Harvin will see a lot more balls this season, one way or the other. Again I tend to project on the conservative side...I follow your logic.

 

[Bayhawks]

For a guy that cant catch and was a 2nd day pick in the NFL just LAST YEAR it's crazy that a couple of good playoff runs has people acting as if Green could be a top 10 back is funny..

Kevin Jones and Julius Jones had more promise than Green does going into their second season.

In the leagues I have him in I think i'll be selling and hopefully to some kool-aide drinker like ive seen in this thread. I honestly dont understand the hype... seriously what is it based off????

Yep, and not many people thought Ray Rice or MJD were going to be top 5 dynasty backs before they were either.

Actually, A LOT of people thought MJD was going to be a top 5 dynasty RB before he was. His VERY impressive play as part of a RBBC, his nose for the end zone, his ability to catch the ball, his high YPC, etc; those things led most people to believe he would be a top 5 dynasty RB when he became the main RB.Greene, however, isn't in the same situation that MJD was last year (or Rice, for that matter). MJD was the RB, getting the most carries, having 3rd-down duties, and being the goal-line RB. Those things are the recipe for a top 10 RB. Rice, although, being in a RBBC, was the primary RB, and the main receiving RB, but he received fewer goal-line opportunities than you would expect a top 10 RB to have. His high number of receptions (and rec yards) helped offset that, however.

Greene is the main RB in a RBBC, but he will get very few receiving opportunities with Washington AND LT there. He also will get fewer carries than some people might believe.

1>607 carries (Jets 2009 total) is incredibly high. With Sanchez having a year experience, they'll likely pass a little more. **They only attempted to pass 393 times in 2009*** If you add 5 pass attempts a game, and subtract 5 rushes a game, you're down to 527, and the Jets are still in the bottom 5 in pass attempts (based on 2009 stats).

2>The signing of LT could (and IMO, should) be looked on as the Jets wanting to keep Greene from getting a HUGE amount of carries, for fear of injury. He had 2 games with significant carries, and he got injured in the very next game. They were successful when he was getting carries, but when he got hurt, they weren't as successful. LT is likely viewed as a way to limit him from getting an obscene amount of carries, without giving up their offensive goals of controlling the game with the run. On the low side, I would tentatively project LT with about 125-150 carries (8-9/game).

3>Washington should be back and fully healthy. Unlike previous years when the Jets made noise about getting Leon the ball more, Ryan and Schottenheimer (sp?) actually did it. He was averaging over 10 carries a game. Again, on the low side, I would tentatively project him for between 100-115 carries (6-7/game).

That leaves 302 carries for Greene, UNDER THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. If LT gets more than 9 carries/game, and Washington gets more than 6 carries/game, or if Sanchez passes more, Greene's carries would drop. Furthermore, Greene will be very hard pressed to get any receptions, and LT is one of the best goal-line RBs ever, so you have to reasonably expect that, at the very least, Greene will not get ALL the goal-line work.

 

[Postradamus]

Benson = contract year

 

[bucsbaby]

Benson at RB20. Looks like he is going to present incredible value once again this year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Benson at RB20. Looks like he is going to present incredible value once again this year.

What would you project him at? Not ranking but actual numbers.

 

[Young 8]

12. LaDainian Tomlinson- 200/700/10, 40/300/2...1000/12, don't laugh

14. Marshawn Lynch- 240/1000/6, 40/250/1...1250/7

16. Kevin Smith- 225/900/6, 40/320/1...1200/7

lol

 

[Sinrman]

Yeah I thought the lack of Shonn Greene in the top 20 was a little odd. And the backup, LT, is #12? Innnnnteresting...

 

[finito]

Benson at RB20. Looks like he is going to present incredible value once again this year.

What would you project him at? Not ranking but actual numbers.

I think he should equal last season's numbers, with maybe a slight uptick in TDs. Keep in mind he basically missed 3 1/2 games last season and still had 1250 yds rushing. I'd put him down for 1300ish, 8 TDs, 150ish, 0 TDs Great #2.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Jesus. The Greene homers have descended from the mountains again. Close the gates!

There are two kinds of people when it comes to Greene. Those who think he has a real good chance of being a top 10 RB. And those who are mad they passed on him in their rookie drafts.

I'm upset I don't own him, for the only reason that I do not have the chance to fleece the Greene jock riders how would probably considerably overpay for the guy right now.

 

[bucsbaby]

Benson at RB20. Looks like he is going to present incredible value once again this year.

What would you project him at? Not ranking but actual numbers.

Short answer: I would project him as scoring more fantasy points than at least 10 of the RBs you rank above him.Stats: 320/1400/10

 

[Cawbird]

A couple of points here............

1. IT IS MARCH. Some of you in this post are treating the very early projections like it is the Gospel. I actually give MOP the credit for putting out some early projections for us to look at and get the 2010 FF juices going.

2. I see the logic with the Greene / Forte comparison. Forte was largely overvalued last year because of his very strong rookie campaign, and he wasn't going to be sharing the rock this year. Well.....2009 came and went, and you all saw what happened to the Bears offense. They put the ball in Cutler's hands and of course he turned the ball over in the redzone and they didn't give Forte a ton of opportunities.......and the o-line was horrible. It was a different situation from 2008. I see the same for Greene in 2010. Washington will be back from the broken leg, and even though many think LT is wahsed up, the Jets must see something in him to bring him on board. The Jets aren't playing fantasy football...............they are trying to go deep into the playoffs and hopfully make a title run in 2010. They know that the running game is their strength and Greene is their #1 playmaker. Why not keep him as fresh as possible throughout the season so that he can make a strong playoff showing????? I would be shocked to see him get 300+ carries when they have 2 other capable RB's on the roster, and Sanchez now has another year under his belt.

I am also on the Wells bandwagon and I think that Arizona is forced to change the offensive philosphy with Warner and Boldin now gone.

I can see Wells with 270/1100/8 and 30/210/2 - It's Leinart.......he may need to check down.

Great early season discussion!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Benson at RB20. Looks like he is going to present incredible value once again this year.

What would you project him at? Not ranking but actual numbers.

Short answer: I would project him as scoring more fantasy points than at least 10 of the RBs you rank above him.Stats: 320/1400/10

Just so you are aware...those numbers add up to 200 points...certainly Benson is not a receiving threat. I had him for 304/1250 which is 19 carries a game, you bumped him to 20 carries a game, added 150 yds rushing, not a big deal, added 3 TDs, OK I can accept that.200 points would move him to #17/18 on the list, about the same point as Jerome Harrison who I can get rounds later...FYI.Benson will go 1st or 2nd round in most drafts but I believe you can find similar production a couple rounds after where you will likely need to take Benson so I don't see value there at all. Another point of reference is the spread. The difference in 20-30 points spread over 12 weeks is about 2-3 points a week. Marshawn Lynch is starting to look like a bargain as I can see no one is paying him a nickel of respect...what is his ADP? Anyone know? Can't be much higher than a 4th or 5th, he could be a borderline top12 back...that screams value to me. And Lynch catches a lot of balls so he can makes things happen even if he doesn't carry it 20+ times a game.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

A couple of points here............1. IT IS MARCH. Some of you in this post are treating the very early projections like it is the Gospel. I actually give MOP the credit for putting out some early projections for us to look at and get the 2010 FF juices going.2. I see the logic with the Greene / Forte comparison. Forte was largely overvalued last year because of his very strong rookie campaign, and he wasn't going to be sharing the rock this year. Well.....2009 came and went, and you all saw what happened to the Bears offense. They put the ball in Cutler's hands and of course he turned the ball over in the redzone and they didn't give Forte a ton of opportunities.......and the o-line was horrible. It was a different situation from 2008. I see the same for Greene in 2010. Washington will be back from the broken leg, and even though many think LT is wahsed up, the Jets must see something in him to bring him on board. The Jets aren't playing fantasy football...............they are trying to go deep into the playoffs and hopfully make a title run in 2010. They know that the running game is their strength and Greene is their #1 playmaker. Why not keep him as fresh as possible throughout the season so that he can make a strong playoff showing????? I would be shocked to see him get 300+ carries when they have 2 other capable RB's on the roster, and Sanchez now has another year under his belt. I am also on the Wells bandwagon and I think that Arizona is forced to change the offensive philosphy with Warner and Boldin now gone.I can see Wells with 270/1100/8 and 30/210/2 - It's Leinart.......he may need to check down.Great early season discussion!

Thanks Cawbird

 

[Cawbird]

NP.

I am interested to see the opinions on the Car running game this year. Delhomme is FINALLY gone, so maybe Carolina can sustain longer drives. But, D. Williams was hurt at the end of the year and had minor surgery (from what I saw), and Stewart supposedly had a procedure done to take care of his Achilles trouble.

If both are healthy this year and Moore proves to be a capable QB, do you all see them both getting 1000+ this year? It looked like the defense got stronger as the year went on, and they are sort of reminding me of Cincy from 2009. If they can still stay in games, and the coaching realizes that you don't need to abondon the run when you are only down 4 points to start the 2nd half, things could really improve.

This all of course coming from both a D. Williams AND Stewart owner. Unfortunately, I can only keep 1........D. Williams in the 4th or Stewart in the 5th.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I have Greene as a top 5 back this year in no-ppr leagues, I am not in any ppr leagues so this must change scoring quite a bit. However I don't have LT in my top 30 rbs this year or ever again, I think the guy is washed up and he'll be even more washed up this year. The Jets will not pull out Greene at the goalline to bring in a washed up LT.

ETA: I realize LT had double digit TDS last year, but the body types/running styles of Sproles and Greene are opposites so it doesn't cut it.

 

[bucsbaby]

Benson at RB20. Looks like he is going to present incredible value once again this year.

What would you project him at? Not ranking but actual numbers.

Short answer: I would project him as scoring more fantasy points than at least 10 of the RBs you rank above him.Stats: 320/1400/10

Just so you are aware...those numbers add up to 200 points...certainly Benson is not a receiving threat. I had him for 304/1250 which is 19 carries a game, you bumped him to 20 carries a game, added 150 yds rushing, not a big deal, added 3 TDs, OK I can accept that.200 points would move him to #17/18 on the list, about the same point as Jerome Harrison who I can get rounds later...FYI.Benson will go 1st or 2nd round in most drafts but I believe you can find similar production a couple rounds after where you will likely need to take Benson so I don't see value there at all. Another point of reference is the spread. The difference in 20-30 points spread over 12 weeks is about 2-3 points a week. Marshawn Lynch is starting to look like a bargain as I can see no one is paying him a nickel of respect...what is his ADP? Anyone know? Can't be much higher than a 4th or 5th, he could be a borderline top12 back...that screams value to me. And Lynch catches a lot of balls so he can makes things happen even if he doesn't carry it 20+ times a game.

I didn't add any receiving #s, but he will get some. I'm not sure what scoring system you use, but my sense of the fantasy point total would put him in the RB 7-8 range around where you have Moreno.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

NP.I am interested to see the opinions on the Car running game this year. Delhomme is FINALLY gone, so maybe Carolina can sustain longer drives. But, D. Williams was hurt at the end of the year and had minor surgery (from what I saw), and Stewart supposedly had a procedure done to take care of his Achilles trouble.If both are healthy this year and Moore proves to be a capable QB, do you all see them both getting 1000+ this year? It looked like the defense got stronger as the year went on, and they are sort of reminding me of Cincy from 2009. If they can still stay in games, and the coaching realizes that you don't need to abondon the run when you are only down 4 points to start the 2nd half, things could really improve.This all of course coming from both a D. Williams AND Stewart owner. Unfortunately, I can only keep 1........D. Williams in the 4th or Stewart in the 5th.

If both are healthy I see can DWill getting 240-250 carries, and Stewart around 200-225 carries too.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I think he easily gets 300 carries and 4.0 yards/carry is not unrealistic based on his prior year (5.0) and the offensive line. I have no clue as far as receptions, I can see as little as 15 or something like 35-40 depending on the confidence of Sanchez. I can easily see Sanchez evolving into a checkdown qb and feeding a ton of passes in the flat to Greene. None of this is a knock on Jones but I feel Greene at this stage is superior in physical attributes. Tjones is/was a really smart runner for the past 2 years. Hopefully that has rubbed off on Greene.

After re-reading your initial post and the last one you are putting a ton of stock in LT. He is done. D O N E. I this point I doubt he will cut into Greenes carries. LT has been washed up for 2 years now and I doubt he even gets too many 3rd down plays after mid season.

Do you know how few RBs get that many carries? With LT and Washington at some point in the mix, I can't see the 2nd year back rushing it 300+ times...I have him at 240 right now which is a 15 per week avg...and if he misses a game or two it doesn't skew it much. It's easy to project big numbers but you gotta have some reasons. You're saying TJ got this so Greene has to get this...I actually have Greene for 240/960/10 TD, but I see very little for him receiving. He can have 75/TD a week for several weeks but he isn't going to just blaze by defenses, he isn't speed guy I don't think.

1,400 yds, top10, there are some really talented backs you are vaulting him over. I love the Jets as far as playoff contender and all that but I think the run game will be very diverse and they will strive to keep their backs healthy. Look what happened to Greene when they overused him in the playoffs? A 300+ carry load? That's a leap of faith I can't join in at the moment.

You just lost all credibility in this argument. Greene is a super speedy guy. Big and fast. Washington is coming off a major injury somewhat late in the season and like I said before LT is pretty useless at this point. He has no quickness left or lateral movement. He aint taking anything from Greene.Just looking over his stats and he caught a 85 yard pass last year so he has receiving skills.

Greene only looked fast when you compared to the plodding Thomas Jones. Greene also has hands of stone and is an awful receiver. that being said, Greene runs well in pads (doesn't lose speed) and has very good power. The Jet OL is the best in run blocking and if they stay healthy (as they have for 2 straight years) everyone running behind it will be excellent.

 

[We Tigers]

My biggest issue with Greene is what a couple other people have pointed out: with LT and Leon, he won't play a single third down. We saw Ryan rotate his backs for individual series at several points last year as well. I like him as a gamble in the late 3rd or 4th round if the board is right, but not earlier than that.

As a long-time S. Jax fan, I think you've got him a bit low, but not too far off. I'll reserve judgment until I see how the Rams' draft goes. I actually thought the Rams had a decent developmental thing going last year until Laurent Robinson broke his leg, all their QBs died, and the o-line went through a battery of injuries. The right draft makes that a team that will still probably lose 12 games, but will be a lot more competitive most of the time.

I very much like your ranking call on Pierre, except that I do think this will be the year that he finally gets up around 230-240 carries. I will be very interested to see where his draft stock ends up this year; will he be overvalued based on some big games to end the season, undervalued because of how much Bell and Bush drained from him this year...lots of ways that can break. If the Saints don't bring back Bush--hard to cut him after the SB, but that's a lot of money for a complementary player and I think he can get better money elsewhere--then PT really goes up in my estimation.

 

[HellToupee]

MOP once again you've come up with another good thought provoking thread

however you are seriously sleeping on Beanie

I own Lynch and appreciate you working to boost his value

K Smith his kind of high considering his health

 

[Tanner9919]

I know this is going to look a little weird since we are only in March but there are actually some survivor drafts that have already passed and many that are getting ready to start very soon, so I thought I would start unrolling some if this.

I want to emphasize that I am not a good projectionist, lean more conservative on stat projections, and still I will most likely fall back on my grading system before I draft in July/Aug for most of my redrafts. Still, it's a good idea to bounce some of this off you all and see where I am woefully wrong.

My top3 are pretty straight forward and I used a 1/10 rush/rec, PPR, and TD=6 of course.

1. Chris Johnson- 288/1550/12, 50/450/2...2000/14

2. ADP- 300/1350/14, 40/360/1...1700/15

3. MJD- 288/1300/12, 50/350/TD...1650/13

Here is the deal, I used mostly the avg for these guys and tried to come up with what I felt were realistic amounts of touches...you can't believe CJ will replicate last year's numbers but even with a dip he hits #1 on the radar gun.

4. Ray Rice-240/1250/6, 55/450/TD...1700/7, now if Rice scores more TD then he moves up. I also shaved 20+ catches off his numbers, very hard to replicate those numbers he did a year ago.

ok, first question: why do you *think* Ray Rice's rec totals will drop-off this season, why is it so very hard ,as you say, for him to repeat those numbers? Boldin makes Rice MORE effective, not less effective...secondly, You have D. Williams putting out also-ran numbers..how is that possible? he's probably good for about 1500/15

third, you don't have Shonn Greene on the list?!?! who cares about Leon and LT2 on the roster - they plan to pound the ball 30+ times per game, meaning Greene will easily have some 20 carries/gm, which at 4.5 per carry, amounts to 1440 yards, and while LT is good around the goalline, a bruising back like Greene is even better..and LT is going to be the 3rd and long guy, and the player to spell Greene from time to time....

no SD RB on the list???? why not? we all know that whoever gets the lead RB role in SD is a LOCK to be a top 10 RB..

I think you're entirely too low on Jerome Harrison, where you should be thinking more along the lines of a Shaun Alexander type of season, i.e., 1500+ yards 10+ td..Harrison was a beast towards the end of last season, that trend is likely to continue, especially since Browns should play an easy schedule in 2010.

Where is Michael Bush?!?! the more I see rankings like this, the more I think Bush might be the #1 sleeper RB of the year!

it seems he being tremendously undervalued at this time..no Fargas, McFadden is a backup/3rd down RB - he's a bust.

that leaves Bush running behind a good O-line...and,like Cleveland, Oakland faces an easy schedule...and with the trend in the NFL of bad one year playoff-bound the next year, why not start thinking about Cleveland and/or Oakland as playoff-bound teams? heck, Cincy wound up in the postseason

No Beanie Wells, no Giants RB, no SD RB, no Bears RB - we know what Martz does for RB's - no Fred Jackson ( who is the starter over Lynch, by the way)..

I think you have Moreno too high, and Ryan Grant too low..

and I give you props: you're the first person I've seen that is not ga-ga over Jonathan Stewart..

you see what I see: great stats from a backup RB who got a shot because of injuries to D. Williams. Now it's back to the bench for Stewart..

 

[Go deep]

For a guy that cant catch and was a 2nd day pick in the NFL just LAST YEAR it's crazy that a couple of good playoff runs has people acting as if Green could be a top 10 back is funny..

Kevin Jones and Julius Jones had more promise than Green does going into their second season.

In the leagues I have him in I think i'll be selling and hopefully to some kool-aide drinker like ive seen in this thread. I honestly dont understand the hype... seriously what is it based off????

Yep, and not many people thought Ray Rice or MJD were going to be top 5 dynasty backs before they were either.

Actually, A LOT of people thought MJD was going to be a top 5 dynasty RB before he was. His VERY impressive play as part of a RBBC, his nose for the end zone, his ability to catch the ball, his high YPC, etc; those things led most people to believe he would be a top 5 dynasty RB when he became the main RB.Greene, however, isn't in the same situation that MJD was last year (or Rice, for that matter). MJD was the RB, getting the most carries, having 3rd-down duties, and being the goal-line RB. Those things are the recipe for a top 10 RB. Rice, although, being in a RBBC, was the primary RB, and the main receiving RB, but he received fewer goal-line opportunities than you would expect a top 10 RB to have. His high number of receptions (and rec yards) helped offset that, however.

Greene is the main RB in a RBBC, but he will get very few receiving opportunities with Washington AND LT there. He also will get fewer carries than some people might believe.

1>607 carries (Jets 2009 total) is incredibly high. With Sanchez having a year experience, they'll likely pass a little more. **They only attempted to pass 393 times in 2009*** If you add 5 pass attempts a game, and subtract 5 rushes a game, you're down to 527, and the Jets are still in the bottom 5 in pass attempts (based on 2009 stats).

2>The signing of LT could (and IMO, should) be looked on as the Jets wanting to keep Greene from getting a HUGE amount of carries, for fear of injury. He had 2 games with significant carries, and he got injured in the very next game. They were successful when he was getting carries, but when he got hurt, they weren't as successful. LT is likely viewed as a way to limit him from getting an obscene amount of carries, without giving up their offensive goals of controlling the game with the run. On the low side, I would tentatively project LT with about 125-150 carries (8-9/game).

3>Washington should be back and fully healthy. Unlike previous years when the Jets made noise about getting Leon the ball more, Ryan and Schottenheimer (sp?) actually did it. He was averaging over 10 carries a game. Again, on the low side, I would tentatively project him for between 100-115 carries (6-7/game).

That leaves 302 carries for Greene, UNDER THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. If LT gets more than 9 carries/game, and Washington gets more than 6 carries/game, or if Sanchez passes more, Greene's carries would drop. Furthermore, Greene will be very hard pressed to get any receptions, and LT is one of the best goal-line RBs ever, so you have to reasonably expect that, at the very least, Greene will not get ALL the goal-line work.

I dont doubt people thought MJD was going to be good, or Rice for that matter, but nobody was predicting either as a top 5 back after their rookie seasons. Im not comparing Greene to those two guys as their styles are different. Just countering the point of the poster who used Kevin jones and Julius Jones as examples of what happens to highly touted rookie RB's.LT is a bigger threat to Washingtons touches than Greenes. In the two years Washington played a full season with Thomas Jones he had less than 80 carries in each season. Now you think he will go over 100 with LT there getting some 3rd down work? LT was a great RB, but for anyone who has watched him play over the last couple years has watched him steadily decline. He is not much more than an insurance policy for a team that is going to run the ball 600 times. Even if Greene is overrated right now, does anyone really think LT is a better RB than him?

I dont expect Greene to catch many balls, 10-15 maybe. However, I fully expect him to be the guy on 1st and 2nd down with LT and Washington only coming in the give him a breather or of course on 3rd downs. Tomlinson might get some goalline carries, but again, likely only in relief of Greene. Im not sure how anyone can say Greene can only have x amount of carries, best case scenario. He is the best runner on a team with the best Oline who ran the ball over 600 times last year. Does anyone think the Jets would have given Greene the carries in the playoffs last year, or let Jones go if they didnt think he was capable of being a workhorse this year?

I wonder if Greene was a first round pick, or ran a 4.4 forty, would anyone on this board be doubting his upside? Also, in Petersons first two years, how many passes did he catch, and where did he rank among RB's in fantasy points those years?

 

[Go deep]

I know this is going to look a little weird since we are only in March but there are actually some survivor drafts that have already passed and many that are getting ready to start very soon, so I thought I would start unrolling some if this.

I want to emphasize that I am not a good projectionist, lean more conservative on stat projections, and still I will most likely fall back on my grading system before I draft in July/Aug for most of my redrafts. Still, it's a good idea to bounce some of this off you all and see where I am woefully wrong.

My top3 are pretty straight forward and I used a 1/10 rush/rec, PPR, and TD=6 of course.

1. Chris Johnson- 288/1550/12, 50/450/2...2000/14

2. ADP- 300/1350/14, 40/360/1...1700/15

3. MJD- 288/1300/12, 50/350/TD...1650/13

Here is the deal, I used mostly the avg for these guys and tried to come up with what I felt were realistic amounts of touches...you can't believe CJ will replicate last year's numbers but even with a dip he hits #1 on the radar gun.

4. Ray Rice-240/1250/6, 55/450/TD...1700/7, now if Rice scores more TD then he moves up. I also shaved 20+ catches off his numbers, very hard to replicate those numbers he did a year ago.

ok, first question: why do you *think* Ray Rice's rec totals will drop-off this season, why is it so very hard ,as you say, for him to repeat those numbers? Boldin makes Rice MORE effective, not less effective...secondly, You have D. Williams putting out also-ran numbers..how is that possible? he's probably good for about 1500/15

third, you don't have Shonn Greene on the list?!?! who cares about Leon and LT2 on the roster - they plan to pound the ball 30+ times per game, meaning Greene will easily have some 20 carries/gm, which at 4.5 per carry, amounts to 1440 yards, and while LT is good around the goalline, a bruising back like Greene is even better..and LT is going to be the 3rd and long guy, and the player to spell Greene from time to time....

no SD RB on the list???? why not? we all know that whoever gets the lead RB role in SD is a LOCK to be a top 10 RB..

I think you're entirely too low on Jerome Harrison, where you should be thinking more along the lines of a Shaun Alexander type of season, i.e., 1500+ yards 10+ td..Harrison was a beast towards the end of last season, that trend is likely to continue, especially since Browns should play an easy schedule in 2010.

Where is Michael Bush?!?! the more I see rankings like this, the more I think Bush might be the #1 sleeper RB of the year!

it seems he being tremendously undervalued at this time..no Fargas, McFadden is a backup/3rd down RB - he's a bust.

that leaves Bush running behind a good O-line...and,like Cleveland, Oakland faces an easy schedule...and with the trend in the NFL of bad one year playoff-bound the next year, why not start thinking about Cleveland and/or Oakland as playoff-bound teams? heck, Cincy wound up in the postseason

No Beanie Wells, no Giants RB, no SD RB, no Bears RB - we know what Martz does for RB's - no Fred Jackson ( who is the starter over Lynch, by the way)..

I think you have Moreno too high, and Ryan Grant too low..

and I give you props: you're the first person I've seen that is not ga-ga over Jonathan Stewart..

you see what I see: great stats from a backup RB who got a shot because of injuries to D. Williams. Now it's back to the bench for Stewart..

You do know Stewart ran for over 1000 yards and 10 TD's in each of his first two seasons, right? Like Stewart or not, he is far more than a backup and will see anywhere from 40% to 60% of the carries with a healthy Williams.Also, i guarantee Rice has less catches than last year. Surely Boldin will be targeted alot more than the Ravens #2 WR last year. Also, with Flacco now in his 3rd year, i expect him to throw the ball downfield a bit more.

 

[Bayhawks]

I dont doubt people thought MJD was going to be good, or Rice for that matter, but nobody was predicting either as a top 5 back after their rookie seasons.

You're wrong here. MJD was the #8 RB in his rookie year. MANY people predicted that once Taylor was gone, MJD would be a top 5 RB. You're right about Rice, however, but a lot of that was due to the presence of a defensive team, with not 1, not 2, but 3 RBs sharing time. It's hard to be a top 5 RB in that situation. Hmm...kind of sounds like Greene, huh?

In the two years Washington played a full season with Thomas Jones he had less than 80 carries in each season. Now you think he will go over 100 with LT there getting some 3rd down work?

You're talking about Washington's carries from BEFORE Ryan got there. He obviously has a different philosophy than Mangini. During his time with Ryan as his HC, Washington averaged over 10 carries/game. Admittedly it is a small sample size, but it's a better reference point than talking about Washington's carries with a completely different coach and offensive philosophy.

LT was a great RB, but for anyone who has watched him play over the last couple years has watched him steadily decline. He is not much more than an insurance policy for a team that is going to run the ball 600 times. Even if Greene is overrated right now, does anyone really think LT is a better RB than him?

If you had actually read my post, you'd know that I don't think LT is going to get more carries than Greene, and therefore, it's reasonable to assume that I don't think he's currently "better" than Greene. However, it is very unlikely that the Jets will run the ball over 600 times again. That is a ridiculously high number, and just like it's reasonable to expect Brady or Moss to "come back to the pack" after their record-breaking seasons with 50 and 23 TDs, it is reaonable to expect the Jets to experience a "regression to the mean."

I dont expect Greene to catch many balls, 10-15 maybe. However, I fully expect him to be the guy on 1st and 2nd down with LT and Washington only coming in the give him a breather or of course on 3rd downs. Tomlinson might get some goalline carries, but again, likely only in relief of Greene. Im not sure how anyone can say Greene can only have x amount of carries, best case scenario. He is the best runner on a team with the best Oline who ran the ball over 600 times last year.

Here's your answer. You can read it, and be open-minded, or you can ignore it, as you have been doing most of this thread.In 2009, when the Jets ran the ball an ASTONISHING 607 times, they ran the ball 463 times on 1st and 3rd downs. The #1 RB (Thomas Jones) had 295 of those. Greene had 99, and Washington (in only 7 games) had 64. Richardson had 5.

So look at the facts:

1) It's going to be hard for the Jets to run the ball anywhere close to 600 times again. 550 is a more realistic projection. If they get the same ratio of 1st/2nd down carries, that means there will be approximately 419 carries to disperse.

2) If Greene gets the same percentage of 1st/2nd down carries as Jones did last year, he will get 64% of those 419 carries. That's 268 carries.

3) By your own admission, you don't expect Greene to catch many balls, maybe 10-15.

4) By your own admission, you expect LT to get some goalline carries, even "only in relief of Greene."

That is how a person could predict Greene for x number of carries (under 300). It's actually a very reasonable projection, based on facts, logic, and reason.

 

[Bayhawks]

You do know Stewart ran for over 1000 yards and 10 TD's in each of his first two seasons, right? Like Stewart or not, he is far more than a backup and will see anywhere from 40% to 60% of the carries with a healthy Williams.

Also, i guarantee Rice has less catches than last year. Surely Boldin will be targeted alot more than the Ravens #2 WR last year. Also, with Flacco now in his 3rd year, i expect him to throw the ball downfield a bit more.

You should check your facts before you post. Stewart did not rush for over 1000 yards his 1st seaon, nor does he get up to 60% of the touches with a healthy Williams. In his first two years, when Williams was healthy, Stewart got a little over 43% of the carries. That's a FAR CRY from 60%.So you can see Rice getting less catches because of Flacco being a year older, and thereby being more comfortable, but you can't see the Jets throwing more (and thereby rushing less) because Sanchez is more comfortable as a NFL QB? That's convenient logic.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Benson at RB20. Looks like he is going to present incredible value once again this year.

What would you project him at? Not ranking but actual numbers.

I think you have him low also. The problem is you are projecting him to miss games, while projecting others to miss none. This distorts the projections. The only thing that really matters to anybody is PPG, not points per year.This occured last year with Steven Jackson. Most were projecting around 280 carries, which was about the average of his last 3 years. In reality, he averaged about 21 carries per game over that 3 year period, which really is a much more useful projection. He finished 2009 averaging over 21 carries per game.With Benson, he got around 23 carries per game last year and over 21 carries per game in 2008 (last 8). There isn't any reason to assume this would change next year. A 22 carry per game projection would be more useful. This projects to a 16 game number of about 350, which also would increase his projected yardage over 200 yards. This puts him somewhere in the top 10, which is about where he was last year (PPG).

 

[Kiddnets]

MAybe this guy knows something! Greene hype train just hit a bump.....

Coach Rex Ryan suggested that LaDainian Tomlinson will have a bigger role in the Jets' offense than originally expected.

"Hypothetically, we'd see [Tomlinson] carry the ball 15 times a game," Ryan said. "I'm sure some games he'll have more rushing attempts than Shonn Greene, and I think Shonn will have more than L.T. in other games." The Jets didn't bring in L.T. at $5M+ over two years to ride the pine, but Ryan also said he believes Greene is "a superstar in the making." Barring injury, Greene will lead the backfield in touches, with Tomlinson lowering his fantasy ceiling. Mar. 23 - 2:37 pm et

 

[Young 8]

MAybe this guy knows something! Greene hype train just hit a bump.....Coach Rex Ryan suggested that LaDainian Tomlinson will have a bigger role in the Jets' offense than originally expected."Hypothetically, we'd see [Tomlinson] carry the ball 15 times a game," Ryan said. "I'm sure some games he'll have more rushing attempts than Shonn Greene, and I think Shonn will have more than L.T. in other games." The Jets didn't bring in L.T. at $5M+ over two years to ride the pine, but Ryan also said he believes Greene is "a superstar in the making." Barring injury, Greene will lead the backfield in touches, with Tomlinson lowering his fantasy ceiling. Mar. 23 - 2:37 pm et

it's March

 

[Warpig]

MAybe this guy knows something! Greene hype train just hit a bump.....

Coach Rex Ryan suggested that LaDainian Tomlinson will have a bigger role in the Jets' offense than originally expected.

"Hypothetically, we'd see [Tomlinson] carry the ball 15 times a game," Ryan said. "I'm sure some games he'll have more rushing attempts than Shonn Greene, and I think Shonn will have more than L.T. in other games." The Jets didn't bring in L.T. at $5M+ over two years to ride the pine, but Ryan also said he believes Greene is "a superstar in the making." Barring injury, Greene will lead the backfield in touches, with Tomlinson lowering his fantasy ceiling. Mar. 23 - 2:37 pm et

And this:

Coach Rex Ryan envisions restricted free agent Leon Washington returning to his original role as a "third-down back, a change-of-pace type back, and a Pro Bowl returner."

Lead back Shonn Greene is brutal in the passing game and LaDainian Tomlinson is no longer a threat to break a big play in space, so Washington should see most of his playing time on third downs and in two-minute drills. Expect his production to mirror that of 2007, when he finished just inside the top 50 among fantasy backs. We wouldn't count on him as a weekly flex play in 2010.

Source: Newsday

Related: LaDainian Tomlinson, Shonn Greene

 

[phthalatemagic]

12. LaDainian Tomlinson- 200/700/10, 40/300/2...1000/12, don't laugh

14. Marshawn Lynch- 240/1000/6, 40/250/1...1250/7

16. Kevin Smith- 225/900/6, 40/320/1...1200/7

lol

It's March.

 

[Sir Psycho]

Thanks MOP for this, always enjoying reading your threads.

Can wait to read your TOP 20 WR.