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It's working though, isn't it? Last week against NE, Rivers completed only FIVE, really, FIVE passes to the WRs who were only facing single coverage. The SD WRs generated 72 yards combined! Yep, the system will definitely work if LT just plays better and learns to run through all the defenders stacked against him.
You don't think the Pats did the same thing in the playoffs last year? How did LT do then? The Pats played a near perfect game and the Chargers played a bad game. The Pats look like a fantastic team this year, several steps above everyone else, the Packers, KC, Denver, Oak, etc. are not in near the same class as the two teams they've played.
The pats did not play a near perfect game in the playoffs last year. Let's look at the two games, and there's some striking differences.Sunday night, Sept 16, 2007
Your screen name is very appropriate.If you really think the keys to the Charger successes last year were Keenan McCardell and Eric Parker, well I find your perspective "interesting." And by interesting I mean uninformed.The offensive line is playing extremely poorly right now. Go back and watch last weeks game again. Notice how much pressure the Pats put on Rivers. Notice the lack of running lanes. Now notice that the Pats weren't blitzing and the safeties weren't cheating up on the run much. The Charger offensive line was getting beaten repeatedly 4 on 6 in pass protection and got zero push upfield run blocking. Until that gets straightened out, nothing's going to happen on offense. Additionally the Chargers look confused in general on many plays on both sides of the ball. I think there's a serious period of adjustment happening here, despite the attempt to retain continuity.
So you two geniuses believe there is no way that this Chargers team can make the playoffs under Norv Turner? Are you sure?That's classic.
On the contrary, I do think they will make the playoffs. Will they be better now with Norv as opposed to Marty? I dooubt it. Hard to improve on 14-2. Allowing your entire coaching staff to get away wasn't the smartest thing they could have done. But they have to make the best of it because they have no choice.Despyzer said:So you two geniuses believe there is no way that this Chargers team can make the playoffs under Norv Turner? Are you sure?That's classic.
Then why did you thumb-up the post that said Norv can't get them to the playoffs?
I agree that the wheels could fall off if San Diego loses this game but I see San Diego making a statement with this game. Thier defense stifles the Packers and the offense is able to roll and this game is over by half. For the record im a Cowboy homer so there is no bias.
I'd call it a litmus test for Phillip Rivers and to a lesser extent for Norv Turner. The Chargers SHOULD win the game IF the coaching staff minds its Ps and Qs and IF Phillip Rivers works within his skillset. If Norv gameplans around his mediocre wide receivers instead of OBVIOUSLY working through Gates and LT, or if Rivers doesn't chill out and take what the Green Bay D gives him, things could turn ugly and Green Bay is looking good.
Last I checked the Packers were at +6 and I dont think that is enough points considering San Diego beat the Bears by 13.
Yeah, i have a feeling LT will finally break out with a good rushing game. Hopefully San Diego defense comes thur, i'm starting them in my fantasy football league.
Maybe you should have read the whole thing first. A.J. didn't fire Marty, Spanos did. He had good reason to, and it had nothing to do with the playoff loss.
This is BS. Sorry. AJ laid down ridiculous rules knowing well that Marty would walk. If you want to hire a Mike Singletary or a Sean Payton, then you work with him on a staff. Marty knew exactly who that team needed and all he wanted to do was keep things going and get over the hump. The entire team had his back and AJ stabbed him in it with this ridiculous notion that a coach as experienced and tenured as Marty needed some dimwit personnel guy to pick his coaching staff. AJ is so freaking full of himself he wants to not just pick player personnel, but he wants a coach with decades of experience to shut up and let him pick who Marty coaches with. No way any coach with Marty's experience agrees to this. It's as if AJ told Marty he knew more about coaches and coaching than Marty did. He totally crossed the line. Marty was forced out with this political crap. That's what happened. You can spin it however you want, but that IS what happened. He was railroaded with bogus nonsense.
Your buddies are apparently not very smart football fans. He finished as one of the best college QBs of all time and arguably the best player ever in the ACC. If you think in retrospect that Georgia and Auburn weren't kicking themselves for not offering him, then I have to wonder about you as well.
Rivers was a tremendous leader at N.C. State. That is completely undisputable. Ask anyone associated with the program during his career - coaches, players, staff members. Ask anyone who watched their games and follows the program. Look at his incredible production. Look at N.C. State's winning percentage and bowl record with him for 4 years, then look at it in the 4 years prior and the 4 years since.Now, all that said, I agree he sometimes lets his emotions get the better of him, and he needs to improve on that. And he obviously has not started off the season well. I am confident that he will improve his performance and will continue to mature and control his emotions better.As for the thread subject on the Chargers, I agree with Banger and others that they will be fine. And Norv will be fine, too.
Out of curiosity -- why?
What ridiculous rules?
This is exactly correct.
Yeah, I'm sure Marty's letting go of assistants against AJ and Spanos' wishes and then trying to bring in his brother had nothing to do with getting canned. I can't stand Spanos and I'm not becoming a big fan of AJ's, but Marty screwed up and plays an equal part in losing his job.Chaos Commish said:
finally a voice of reason
A.J. had the owner's permission to give Marty his walking papers after the Patriots loss. Instead he chose to extend Marty's contract, which Marty declined. How exactly is this laying down ridiculous rules to force Marty to leave?Chaos Commish said:
What ACTUALLY happened is that Marty hung out just long enough for his two coordinators to decide there was no HC job for them in SD and take one elsewhere. Marty then let his long-time assistants fly the coop against the wishes of A.J. and Spanos, knowing full well that it would give him an excuse to try to bring in his brother even though Spanos had told him before that he wouldn't hire Kurt.
There may have been some "political crap" that led up to Marty feeling like he needed to behave this way, but Marty has to take the blame for how it all went down. He manipulated the situation to where some people who were too lazy to find out what actually happened would just automatically blame A.J., and it looks like it worked.
You are right. As you can see there will be the AJ defenders that will spin it as all Marty's fault that forced AJ and Spanos into firing him. Even when you have a member of your team you don't get along with you find ways to make it work. At least that's what an effective GM that wants to keep winning would do. Just some bad decision making that didn't have to happen. I feel bad for Charger fans because they're paying the price this year.
So you still think AJ made the right decision? Will you continue to defend him regardless of wjat happens? It seems worth noting that many feel the same as I do (including NAtional media experts) and yet you feel compelled to call me out? You are beginning to come across as serious homer blinded yur love for AJ. It seems in your eyes he can't do anything wrong. Even when it obvious to anyone and everyone who is able to see where the problem with this team lies. If I were a player I'd be wondering where AJ's true motivation/agenda was about now. It's starting to blow up in his face.I was wondering when the leader of the uninformed A.J.-bashers was going to make an appearance.Family Matters said:
I think he made a decision that seemed as good of one as possible at the time. Marty left the coaching staff in a shambles by hanging around just long enough for the coordinators to leave and then encouraging just about everyone else on the staff to take other jobs. Bringing in guys that would maintain the status quo as much as possible still seems like a rational decision.What isn't rational is closing the book on a team after it has played only three games against tough opponents and beaten one of the Super Bowl teams.
About the same number as Marty had won since taking over as coach. What was their record in the ten years prior to A.J. taking over (including the years Marty was already there)?
I've made it clear that I haven't closed the book and I expect they will make the playoffs as talented as they are. If they don't then AJ should be fired.As for continuing to blame Marty for what happened, you convienently leave out the part where AJ would only offer a 1 year deal. Everyone knows that's an obvious insult to a coach that just lead your team to the best record in the NFL and their history. No coach worth their salt would accept that deal let alone would a GM making any serious attempt to retain a coach make such an insulting offer.At the end of the day AJ backed the team and coach into a corner that forced the owner to make decision. For AJ to do this, he wasn't thinking of what's best for the team. He was intent on getting his way and displaying his power. The Ntional media has covered it well. Seems you just want to ignore what everyone else can plainly see. That's what homers/fans do sometimes.
Great question. Here are the 5 years prior to Marty:5-111-158-85-114-12Here's Marty's record:14-29-712-44-128-8So Marty took over a failing franchise and make them a winner by his 3rd year. One of the greatest turn arounds in NFL history. Oh but wait, you're saying it was AJ, right? Not Marty? Then maybe they fired the wrong guy.
But for the record and for the benfit of others that have not heard my position, I do agree that AJ is a tremendous talent evaluator. He's has done a fantastic job of drafting good players and managing the draft well. Where I think he has hurt himself, the team and fans is with his ego. He has let his decison making become marred by allowing Brees to go for next to nothing just because he wanted Rivers to be the guy. He likely cost them a game by playing hardball with Gates when Gates desrved a good deal. After making him hold out he did end up paying Gates good money but forced the team into a likely loss by forcing them to lose Gates for a game. And then he fires one of the best coaches in the NFL after leading his team to the best record in the NFL and franchise history because he didn't want Marty to any say over the team/players. This is all ego and not much else. He's rather get his way than do what's best for the team.Right now I think many are beginning to realize what's wrong with the Chargers.
I notice you conveniently left out the part where it was an extension past his current deal and was worth upwards of almost $5 million dollars for a coach who proved he couldn't win in the playoffs regardless of how talented of a team he was given. The owner had already given his blessing for A.J. to fire the guy, but A.J. instead offered an olive branch of an additional year past what he was already contracted to at a salary that was competitive with the best coaches in the game (ones that had actually, you know, won something).
I think I'm starting to see the problem. I write "What was their record in the ten years prior to A.J. taking over?"You read "What was their record in the five years prior to Marty?"I'm trying to figure out the best smilie to use here:
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Every sentence in there is factually suspect.Not worth arguing over, though. People can think what they want.
Now you've contradicted yourself. You say he can't win in the playoffs but AJ wanted to extend him? Why would he do that? So was he making a bad decision to try an extend him by 1 year? Or was he making a bad decision to fire him? Either way it seems he made a bad decision. Oh and a 1 year extention is an insult to a proven guy like Marty.
He made a good decision by trying to be the peacemaker and make the best out of the situation that was there. It's no contradiction at all. And what has Marty proven? That he can lose playoff games with extremely talented teams? How much would you be willing to pay for that?
Excellent point. People that have made their mind up that this team is in a hopeless position after only three games and it's all A.J.'s fault probably aren't going to be convinced by factual reasoning any more than the people who come into these threads to bash the Chargers will convince us to start hating our team.
This is getting silly now. Why don't you look it up and post it and then we can all tell you it doesn't really matter. Who cares about the 10 years period? Look at what Marty did when took over versus what happened before he arrived. Not sure what's so difficult about that. Must be an AJ thing.I think I'm starting to see the problem. I write "What was their record in the ten years prior to A.J. taking over?"You read "What was their record in the five years prior to Marty?"I'm trying to figure out the best smilie to use here:,
And that works both ways. There are likely things we don't know from behind the scenes put AJ's dislike of Marty was well publicized and we have nothing reported that contradicts what I've said. So while I am basing my observations off media accounts I will stand by them.At the end of the day teams don't fire good coaches without good reason. AJ did plays by different rules and it appears it's affected the team thus far. Clearly they are not as good as they were last year. Right now Marty is looking pretty good.
I was thinking it got silly around post #77, but who's counting.
Guess this is why we should wait before jumping to conclusions.
