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Name Ten Better American Bands Than The Ramones -- Please, I Need Laughter (1 Viewer)

The Doors

Aerosmith

GnR

Violent Femmes

Pixies

The Cars

Blondie

Fleetwood Mac

RHCP

Steve Miller Band

Primus

Nirvana

Cracker

Those are just bands that people have likely heard of. Even on a punk level I would rather listen to:

Screeching Weasel

Operation Ivy

This excludes bands that I don't particularly like that most people would put above them as well:

Beach Boys

Eagles

This isn't to say I don't like The Ramones. Rocket to Russia is awesome and I played the #### out of Mania when it came out. It is just that I think their style/sound is similar across every song - too similar. It is the same for a band like Green Day. If you have heard 2-3 of their hits you have essentially heard all their hits. We can argue about their influence on the early punk scene until we are blue in the face - and if that is the determining factor then there are plenty of other bands that are/were just as influential that should make the list. Regardless, if someone asked me if I wanted to listen to my top 10 or 15 favorite songs from the above artists or my top 10-15 favorite Ramones' songs... I would choose the above artists.

 
timschochet said:
Just because we can't always define objective criteria doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Or was the Partridge Family as good as the Beatles? 
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If I answered "yes", you would either need to produce the objective data as evidence to refute my claim, or we are doing nothing more than exchanging opinions.  Nothing at all wrong with discussing opinions, but then the OP's original challenge to "name 10 better" will never be satisfied as his opinion is the standard for judging.

 
Nigel Tufnel said:
"Better" or "more influential?" Because I think I could argue one but not the other. 
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Exactly.  This.  I kind of like the Ramones, but if you are being honest then strictly as a "band" they aren't really that great (musically/vocals/lyrics).

If we were asked to name the "10 most influential American bands", then they're on that list easy.

 
Galileo said:
If I answered "yes", you would either need to produce the objective data as evidence to refute my claim, or we are doing nothing more than exchanging opinions.  Nothing at all wrong with discussing opinions, but then the OP's original challenge to "name 10 better" will never be satisfied as his opinion is the standard for judging.
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There isn't, but there is a standard consensus of critics, fans, influence, and the like, and those should be taken into account.  

 
Goldenplane

Sly and the Family Stone

ICP *whoop whoop*

Guns N Roses

The Traveling Wilburys

Tool

The Wiggles

Faith No More

Spineshank

Kittie

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
I named like 14 off of the top of my head--and could probably come up with more with more thought.  I think the key is that music is subjective and you have tunnel vision and have pre-determined that the Ramones are top 10 regardless of whatever answer anybody says.  If you aren't going to at least attempt to act objective about a discussion--whats the point of even starting the thread?   This reminds me of a Rok n role thread where he asks for advice and argues with anybody gives advice that conflicts with what he has pre-determined that he is going to do. 
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Unlike RoknRole, I've announced it. And it's not life advice where I even pretend I'm listening. These are pretty big distinctions to make. 

 
Brony said:
We can all agree that the FFA stopped listening to new music around 2000 at the latest. 
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I listen to it all the time. I'm forced to. Doesn't mean I like it. If my daughter were making this list it would likely include:

Ed Sheeran

Katy Perry

Nick Jonas

Maroon 5

Demi Lovato

Walk the Moon

Bruno Mars

Ariana Grande

Robin Thicke

Sara Baralies

 
rockaction said:
Unlike RoknRole, I've announced it. And it's not life advice where I even pretend I'm listening. These are pretty big distinctions to make. 
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It's no different. The entire point of starting a thread is to start a discussion.  You started a thread asking members to state ten US bands that are "better" than the Ramones.  Posters here have come up with dozens of bands where solid arguments can be made about them being better that the Ramones--and your response is "uh--no they aren't".   Somebody thinking that Metallica are better than the Ramones is not laughable--but your responses make it seem like that opinion carries zero merit.   I listed at least 13-14 bands that are arguably better than the Ramones--and you didn't even comment on it.  We get it--the Ramones are one of your favorite bands--and you are entitled to that opinion.  However--to challenge people to name bands that could be considered greater--and then you randomly call their picks wrong for no good reason is not really a discussion.   If your point was to waste a bunch of time and not have a discussion--well done.   You and Rok and Role should get an award for that.

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
It's no different. The entire point of starting a thread is to start a discussion.  You started a thread asking members to state ten US bands that are "better" than the Ramones.  Posters here have come up with dozens of bands where solid arguments can be made about them being better that the Ramones--and your response is "uh--no they aren't".   Somebody thinking that Metallica are better than the Ramones is not laughable--but your responses make it seem like that opinion carries zero merit.   I listed at least 13-14 bands that are arguably better than the Ramones--and you didn't even comment on it.  We get it--the Ramones are one of your favorite bands--and you are entitled to that opinion.  However--to challenge people to name bands that could be considered greater--and then you randomly call their picks wrong for no good reason is not really a discussion.   If your point was to waste a bunch of time and not have a discussion--well done.   You and Rok and Role should get an award for that.
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Dude, chill.  If I was there with you, you'd get it. It was a fun thread meant in fun. If you're that burned up about it, then there are other options.  

eta* I'm not as adamant as you think. Just spitballing.  

 
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A little more idea of what's in scope would be useful. Otherwise we'd need to be taking about things like the Duke Ellington Orchestra, The Count Basie Orchestra, the Temptations,  Chic, the Supremes, all kinds of stuff.

 
Gr00vus said:
A little more idea of what's in scope would be useful. Otherwise we'd need to be taking about things like the Duke Ellington Orchestra, The Count Basie Orchestra, the Temptations,  Chic, the Supremes, all kinds of stuff.
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International Silver Screen Submarine Band down?

 
The Ramones were never supposed to be "good" as in Pet Sounds or Sgt. Pepper.   They were a dirty punk/protopunk/garage band.  They were a deconstruction of popular music.  They were a reaction to the over-produced, watered down, wimpy "rock" of the early 70s.  

Is the music unrefined and simplistic?  Hell yes.  But it's done perfectly. That's what made them different.

It reminds me of when we study  artists like Rothko or Mondrian or Pollock in my class.

Students will say "Shapes? Splashes? Pfffft...I could do that."  

I'll tell them "Yeah, you could.  But you didn't."

 
Reg Lllama of Brixton said:
The Ramones were never supposed to be "good" as in Pet Sounds or Sgt. Pepper.   They were a dirty punk/protopunk/garage band.  They were a deconstruction of popular music.  They were a reaction to the over-produced, watered down, wimpy "rock" of the early 70s.  

Is the music unrefined and simplistic?  Hell yes.  But it's done perfectly. That's what made them different.

It reminds me of when we study  artists like Rothko or Mondrian or Pollock in my class.

Students will say "Shapes? Splashes? Pfffft...I could do that."  

I'll tell them "Yeah, you could.  But you didn't."
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Yeah, if you boot the Ramones from the top tier, Nirvana has to go too. 

 
Reg Lllama of Brixton said:
The Ramones were never supposed to be "good" as in Pet Sounds or Sgt. Pepper.   They were a dirty punk/protopunk/garage band.  They were a deconstruction of popular music.  They were a reaction to the over-produced, watered down, wimpy "rock" of the early 70s.  

Is the music unrefined and simplistic?  Hell yes.  But it's done perfectly. That's what made them different.

It reminds me of when we study  artists like Rothko or Mondrian or Pollock in my class.

Students will say "Shapes? Splashes? Pfffft...I could do that."  

I'll tell them "Yeah, you could.  But you didn't."
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Rothko is more Ramones than Pollock, though.  Shapes, squares, everything.  

 
I'm not a big fan of top tenifying things. Suffice it to say the Ramones are one of the most influential U.S. bands. I also dig their tunes, though I don't have many of their songs in heavy rotation - Blitzkrieg Bop was a staple until it got beat to death as the background music for NFL kickoffs.

So interesting to me that they and the Talking Heads were playing the same scene in NYC back in the late 70's. Very different bands, both avant guard in their own ways back then.

 
Reg Lllama of Brixton said:
The Ramones were never supposed to be "good" as in Pet Sounds or Sgt. Pepper.   They were a dirty punk/protopunk/garage band.  They were a deconstruction of popular music.  They were a reaction to the over-produced, watered down, wimpy "rock" of the early 70s.  

Is the music unrefined and simplistic?  Hell yes.  But it's done perfectly. That's what made them different.

It reminds me of when we study  artists like Rothko or Mondrian or Pollock in my class.

Students will say "Shapes? Splashes? Pfffft...I could do that."  

I'll tell them "Yeah, you could.  But you didn't."
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My favorite story about the Ramones is from the Joe Strummer doc, "The Future is Unwritten". They're talking about the Clash sneaking into a show that the Ramones played in London. They're talking to one another and Strummer says that they're a #### band, no training, etc. Joey - I think - says to them almost incredulously,"Have you heard us? We're TERRIBLE..." That, my friends, is apparently got the Clash going!

 
5-ish Finkle said:
Exactly.  This.  I kind of like the Ramones, but if you are being honest then strictly as a "band" they aren't really that great (musically/vocals/lyrics).

If we were asked to name the "10 most influential American bands", then they're on that list easy.
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It just seems like it's novel to say you like the Ramones or to wear their shirt.

Reminds me of people who wear that Misfits shirt.

For the most part, it's just some signification of, "Look at me...I'm hip."

Ramones have like two songs that I even remotely care to listen to...I just don't get it. 

 
What genre do you consider The Ramones to be? That would probably be a better subject. Best American punk band? Certainly they're top 5.

Best American band ever? By what measuring stick? People have listed dozens of others and you have offered no retort other than  "no"

 
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