Will Reggie Bush be #61. Jerry Rice (should be no debate here)
2. Terrell Owens
3. Fred Biletnikoff
4. Lance Alworth
5. Marvin Harrison
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Where's Freddie Mitchell?
#5
at #7 right below Tim Brown.
You might get some debate from the Don Hutson fans, but I'm too young to take sides on that one.
THANK YOU.Anyone who does not have Hutson at LEAST in their top 5 should be disqualified from having an opinion on this subject. Don't give me the when he played BS either... is Ty Cobb still considered one of the top baseball players ever?1. Jerry Rice
2. Don Hutson
3. Fred Biletnikoff
4. Steve Largent
5. Terrell Owens
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I think in any context it is hard to argue that Rice is not #1 by a good margin. that said, Hutson is #2 by a big margin as well if you include all eras. He was Rice before there was rice - reinvented the position, two time MVP from the receiver position and one of the best all around football players to ever play the game.You might get some debate from the Don Hutson fans, but I'm too young to take sides on that one.
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...it was just a play on his uni # Joe.This is a current list.10 years from now, Bush will easily be #1.![]()
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when it's all said and done, Torry Holt may be just below the top 5........it was just a play on his uni # Joe.This is a current list.10 years from now, Bush will easily be #1.![]()
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Have to disagree with you there, Chris Carter was an MVP as a WR in his prime...unbelievably quick.Plus Carter kicked ### in Tecmo Bowl which is a huge factor here.
I'll give you Carter in Tecmo, but if Sharpe's career wasn't cut short I don't see us having this conversation. Sharpe was one of the few players who could actually take over a game, he was simply a beast -- Carter was obviously great, and Brown was too, but in his prime Sharpe was just below Rice and TO in terms of dominance. Of course, just my .02, and I'm not even a packer fan.Have to disagree with you there, Chris Carter was an MVP as a WR in his prime...unbelievably quick.Plus Carter kicked ### in Tecmo Bowl which is a huge factor here.
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oh...I thought we were taking into account total career? If not, I believe Sharpe would be in the same company as Carter.I'll give you Carter in Tecmo, but if Sharpe's career wasn't cut short I don't see us having this conversation.Have to disagree with you there, Chris Carter was an MVP as a WR in his prime...unbelievably quick.Plus Carter kicked ### in Tecmo Bowl which is a huge factor here.
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When was Sharpe a WR??From those I've seen since I began watching football in the early 80's:
1) Rice
2) TO
3) Moss
4) Sterling Sharpe (much more dominant than Carter or Tim Brown IMO)
5) Largent
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Shannon was a TE for the Broncos, Sterling a WR for the Pack.When was Sharpe a WR??From those I've seen since I began watching football in the early 80's:
1) Rice
2) TO
3) Moss
4) Sterling Sharpe (much more dominant than Carter or Tim Brown IMO)
5) Largent
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I was about to cry when I saw that nobody had mentioned Cris Carter. The I did when I saw that his named was spelled wrong.edit: forgot Owens, had Carter twice.Of the players I have actually seen play(started watching Mid 80s)
4) Chris Carter
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Shannon was a TE for the Broncos, Sterling a WR for the Pack.When was Sharpe a WR??From those I've seen since I began watching football in the early 80's:
1) Rice
2) TO
3) Moss
4) Sterling Sharpe (much more dominant than Carter or Tim Brown IMO)
5) Largent
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When has he shown this?He was never great before Manning. It took him as long as it took Peyton to get great (Mannings 2nd season)I know it helps that he's had Peyton all of this time, but I can't knock him for it. He's proven himself in every way to be a great receiver and he's shown that he would be with any halfway decent QB.
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Harrison has also always had the benefit of playing with one of the greatest statistical QBs of all time in a pass happy system. And he has a big reputation of coming up small in clutch playoff games. Look at the QBs that Moss and Owens have made look great. I don't think Harrison could do that. Hes very good, but not as good as them.Manning vs Garcia/McNabb/Culpepper/B Johnson/Cunningham/K Collins/J George.Harrison deserves a spot very high on this list...
Currently he has 927 Receptions, 12,331 yards and 110 touchdowns.
The #2 spots to Rice in all of those categories are 1,101 receptions (Carter), 14,943(Tim Brown) and 130 TDs (Carter).
Harrison should easily have the #2 spot for all of those records in 2-3 seasons. Anyone doubt that he'll get 180 catches, 2,600 yards and 20 tocuhdowns in 2 or 3 seasons?
I know it helps that he's had Peyton all of this time, but I can't knock him for it. He's proven himself in every way to be a great receiver and he's shown that he would be with any halfway decent QB.
I never understood why folks often prefer TO and Moss to Harrison. His consistency puts him ahead those guys. He doesn't miss games with any frequency or take plays off. That counts for something and gets him the #3 spot on my list:
Rice
Hutson
Harrison
Largent
Carter
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Stats-wise, Harrison certainly benefited from playing with such a high-caliber QB.But it's not just the stats that make him great. Harrison is up there with Rice and Largent in his ability to seemingly always be open no matter how many DBs are assigned to cover him. He is so quick out of his cuts, he is uncoverable on intermediate routes. (Or he was in his prime.) Also like Rice and Largent, he has supremely reliable hands.Harrison has also always had the benefit of playing with one of the greatest statistical QBs of all time in a pass happy system..
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I see, Young and Montana must move Rice down the list for you. He even had Gannon during his MVP-type year. Rice just wasn't as good without those guys performing at their peak.Harrison has shown it on the field, which is all he can do (without forcing a trade to another team--like certain other WRs). He's shown great hands. He has proven to be among the best route runners. He's had break away on-field speed. He's shown incredible concentration. He has a highlight reel of acrobatic catches. We've seen him aboslutely take over games...remember the game with Keyshawn running his trap about Marvin? That was incredible stuff that showcased his own skill more than Manning's.When has he shown this?He was never great before Manning. It took him as long as it took Peyton to get great (Mannings 2nd season)I know it helps that he's had Peyton all of this time, but I can't knock him for it. He's proven himself in every way to be a great receiver and he's shown that he would be with any halfway decent QB.
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He's still top 10, but I downgraded guys who played with great QBs by a bit.
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LOL at "had Gannon during his MVP year." Rice made him the MVP! Just as Owens made Garcia a pro bowler. Harrison has yet to show that he can do that.I agree that having a great QB shouldn't disqualify you from this list, but it does diminish one's numbers a bit. I think Moss/Owens would easily average 1700 yards, 16 TD seasons with Manning and maybe even top 2000 one year.I see, Young and Montana must move Rice down the list for you. He even had Gannon during his MVP-type year. Rice just wasn't as good without those guys performing at their peak.Harrison has shown it on the field, which is all he can do (without forcing a trade to another team--like certain other WRs). He's shown great hands. He has proven to be among the best route runners. He's had break away on-field speed. He's shown incredible concentration. He has a highlight reel of acrobatic catches. We've seen him aboslutely take over games...remember the game with Keyshawn running his trap about Marvin? That was incredible stuff that showcased his own skill more than Manning's.When has he shown this?He was never great before Manning. It took him as long as it took Peyton to get great (Mannings 2nd season)I know it helps that he's had Peyton all of this time, but I can't knock him for it. He's proven himself in every way to be a great receiver and he's shown that he would be with any halfway decent QB.
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He's still top 10, but I downgraded guys who played with great QBs by a bit.
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What more can he do other than achieve Rice's numbers?
I can't agree that having a great QB should disqualify you from the list. He still had to get open and still had to make the catches, break tackles, beat double teams, and get in the end-zone. He always had to beat the other team's best defenders to the ball.
Will Peyton get dinged for having Harrison? I doubt it. Can't they both be considered great ala Montana & Rice?
Moss and TO have had injury issues Marvin never has. TO gets suspended or kicked off teams. Moss pouts and gives up. These are also factors to me. Marvin achieves his skill level while Moss and TO are always something less than they should be.
I see Harrison as more like Rice than any of those guys because he combine physical skill with incredible work ethic, will, and concentration. Just my opinion, though.
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So is Tim Brown, statistically:Chris Carter is a all time top 5 WR
# 2 in rectps.
#5 in yards
#2 in TDs
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/alltime/leaders?cat=receivers
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Among the league's all-time top 50Receptions: 3 Receiving yards: 2 Receiving TDs: 5t Yards from scrimmage: 11 Rush/Receive TDs: 14t
1. Rice2. Harrison- by the time he is doneSo is Tim Brown, statistically:Chris Carter is a all time top 5 WR
# 2 in rectps.
#5 in yards
#2 in TDs
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/alltime/leaders?cat=receivers
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Among the league's all-time top 50Receptions: 3 Receiving yards: 2 Receiving TDs: 5t Yards from scrimmage: 11 Rush/Receive TDs: 14tThat doesn't mean Tim Brown is a top 5 all time receiver.
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