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NCAA HOOPS THREAD! -- K petitions to get Maui Jim Maui Invitational moved to Transylvania (1 Viewer)

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This scandal could involve 50 or more teams and may force the NCAA to go back to true student athletes.

The NBA should have different levels of minor leagues like MLB and the NHL has.  Many of these kids have no business nor are they interested in school.  Let the NBA draft them at 18 like MLB and the NHL does. Pay them a salary like the other leagues do and let them play basketball for a living. Have every team have a top farm team to bring up or send down player as they choose.

 
This scandal could involve 50 or more teams and may force the NCAA to go back to true student athletes.
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I don't think you can stick that genie back into the bottle as long as the big money is around.  There were college hoops scandals 20,30,40,50 years ago.

The NBA should have different levels of minor leagues like MLB and the NHL has.  Many of these kids have no business nor are they interested in school.  Let the NBA draft them at 18 like MLB and the NHL does. Pay them a salary like the other leagues do and let them play basketball for a living. Have every team have a top farm team to bring up or send down player as they choose.
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That's a tough sell when NCAA programs are drawing 20,000 attendance and big TV money compared to 2,000 for G-League/D-League games.  The only viable option in that regard would be to let the NBA draft high schoolers and pay them to play for a college team.  But even then, there will still be incentives for college programs to supplement those earnings to get the best talent.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I would not rush into that job - there is a chance you will be downsized soon....
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Crean is one of the biggest name coaches who doesn't have a job.  He's a safer bet than an assistant and has managed to steer clear of scandal at his previous coaching stops.

Even with sanctions, Louisville is still a big program with a ton of talent on the roster.  Worst case is they get the death penalty next year but that gives Crean time to boost his stock.

 
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Where exactly was the mis-use of funds? They used the money to entice talented basketball players to their schools. Which is what the schools themselves wanted. 
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The coaches intentionally got the schools to give scholarships to ineligible players = misuse of state $

Edit - That's where they could get the kids too, if they wanted to.  I doubt any kids will get charged though.

 
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SHIZNITTTT said:
No way UofL gets the Death Penalty.   If Baylor didn't get the Death Penalty no one is ever going to get it again.   
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Yeah, I don't think so either.  There would be a flood of lawsuits from parties that stood to lose money.  If this one goes as wide as some are saying, there will be some safety in numbers for Louisville.  There's also no way that UofL takes the USF route and suspends the program temporarily.  There will be (another) post-season ban and some lost scholarships but the Cards will be an elite program again in five years.

 
Eephus said:
This scandal could involve 50 or more teams and may force the NCAA to go back to true student athletes.
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I don't think you can stick that genie back into the bottle as long as the big money is around.  There were college hoops scandals 20,30,40,50 years ago.

The NBA should have different levels of minor leagues like MLB and the NHL has.  Many of these kids have no business nor are they interested in school.  Let the NBA draft them at 18 like MLB and the NHL does. Pay them a salary like the other leagues do and let them play basketball for a living. Have every team have a top farm team to bring up or send down player as they choose.
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That's a tough sell when NCAA programs are drawing 20,000 attendance and big TV money compared to 2,000 for G-League/D-League games.  The only viable option in that regard would be to let the NBA draft high schoolers and pay them to play for a college team.  But even then, there will still be incentives for college programs to supplement those earnings to get the best talent.
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They could do it like College Hockey. A player gets drafted in his last high school year or first year of college and a team has his rights until he graduates. If they don't sign him by then he becomes a free agent. Depending on how good a player is they typically leave after 2 years if they are true NHL talent - rarely after 1. Guys that stay longer tend to go to AHL farm team of the NHL squad. If school doesn't work sometimes they head to Canadian Junior leagues which the NCAA claims is a professional league. It works pretty good - schools rotate in the good players for a 2 year run and with some senior talent that stays make a good run at NCAA championship. Players are allowed to have family advisors, but not an agent, that helps them determine if they should leave school. There is pretty good communication between player and the NHL club on what they expect for pay and playing time.

 
randall146 said:
bud29 said:
The coaches face up to 80 years in prison, holy ####
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Those aren't real numbers, they are just the statutory maximums.  Sentencing guidelines will be in the 2-4 year range most likely
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If anyone goes to prison for this it will be a waste of taxpayer dollars. This is like busting people for jaywalking in New York. Hell they probably have a secret pamphlet that they hand out to all AAU parents that has a list of all the ways to scam the system. There are no victims here. 

 
Eephus said:
Yeah, I don't think so either.  There would be a flood of lawsuits from parties that stood to lose money.  If this one goes as wide as some are saying, there will be some safety in numbers for Louisville.  There's also no way that UofL takes the USF route and suspends the program temporarily.  There will be (another) post-season ban and some lost scholarships but the Cards will be an elite program again in five years.
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:oldunsure:   They are not an elite program right now...

As I mentioned earlier - Louisville is literally the biggest draw in men's basketball, in terms of revenue.  So, they have some financial clout with the NCAA - but they are also in the midst of back-to-back scandals involving improper benefits to players - and clearly a program that is out of control.

Louisville won't shut down voluntarily - and there may be safety in numbers - but I don't think the NCAA looks at Louisville as Blue Bloods - and I doubt the NCAA would shed a tear about closing them down for a year or 2.... 

 
ffldrew said:
If anyone goes to prison for this it will be a waste of taxpayer dollars. This is like busting people for jaywalking in New York. Hell they probably have a secret pamphlet that they hand out to all AAU parents that has a list of all the ways to scam the system. There are no victims here. 
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I strongly disagree.  The kids are the victims.  In the Chuck Person case, for example, Person was accepting bribes in order to steer his NBA-bound players to a financial advisor.  He had no idea if the advisory was any good, or had licenses, or anything else.  But he abused his relationship with the kid and position of authority over the kid, told the kid and parents that he used this advisor, that Charles Barkley did, and that he (Person) wasn't getting anything for recommending the advisor.  Those were all lies.  Chuck Person took money and lied to get trusting kids to hire financial advisors that were no good.

Plus, while I generally think prison time doesn't work as a deterrent to others, I think in white collar cases it absolutely does.  If these coaches do some prison time it'll have a strong damper effect on this kind of corruption (at least for a few years).

 
Sinn Fein said:
:oldunsure:   They are not an elite program right now...

As I mentioned earlier - Louisville is literally the biggest draw in men's basketball, in terms of revenue.  So, they have some financial clout with the NCAA - but they are also in the midst of back-to-back scandals involving improper benefits to players - and clearly a program that is out of control.

Louisville won't shut down voluntarily - and there may be safety in numbers - but I don't think the NCAA looks at Louisville as Blue Bloods - and I doubt the NCAA would shed a tear about closing them down for a year or 2.... 
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no way the ncaa shuts them down

 
ffldrew said:
They could do it like College Hockey. A player gets drafted in his last high school year or first year of college and a team has his rights until he graduates. If they don't sign him by then he becomes a free agent. Depending on how good a player is they typically leave after 2 years if they are true NHL talent - rarely after 1. Guys that stay longer tend to go to AHL farm team of the NHL squad. If school doesn't work sometimes they head to Canadian Junior leagues which the NCAA claims is a professional league. It works pretty good - schools rotate in the good players for a 2 year run and with some senior talent that stays make a good run at NCAA championship. Players are allowed to have family advisors, but not an agent, that helps them determine if they should leave school. There is pretty good communication between player and the NHL club on what they expect for pay and playing time.
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The NHL teams aren't paying the players though.  

There's a lot more money in college hoops than hockey and the kids generally come from lower income backgrounds than hockey families.

 
randall146 said:
I strongly disagree.  The kids are the victims.  In the Chuck Person case, for example, Person was accepting bribes in order to steer his NBA-bound players to a financial advisor.  He had no idea if the advisory was any good, or had licenses, or anything else.  But he abused his relationship with the kid and position of authority over the kid, told the kid and parents that he used this advisor, that Charles Barkley did, and that he (Person) wasn't getting anything for recommending the advisor.  Those were all lies.  Chuck Person took money and lied to get trusting kids to hire financial advisors that were no good.

Plus, while I generally think prison time doesn't work as a deterrent to others, I think in white collar cases it absolutely does.  If these coaches do some prison time it'll have a strong damper effect on this kind of corruption (at least for a few years).
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Austin Wiley's mom had her hand out "looking" for the money as well. These kids all know how the game is played once they get onto an AAU team - corruption starts there. The whole game is a cesspool. What Chuck Person did is hardly news in that world.

 
ffldrew said:
Austin Wiley's mom had her hand out "looking" for the money as well. These kids all know how the game is played once they get onto an AAU team - corruption starts there. The whole game is a cesspool. What Chuck Person did is hardly news in that world.
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I agree it's hardly news, but we'll have to agree to disagree on whether it's a big deal that should be prosecuted.  Yes, parents are partly to blame, but this wouldn't be a standard part of AAU and college sports if the coaches weren't corrupt.  There's a tremendous power differential between the big-program coaches and the typical athletic parent.  I fault a parent much less for accepting a few thousand to send their kid to a college than I do a coach for accepting much more to sell out the kid.

 
randall146 said:
I agree it's hardly news, but we'll have to agree to disagree on whether it's a big deal that should be prosecuted.  Yes, parents are partly to blame, but this wouldn't be a standard part of AAU and college sports if the coaches weren't corrupt.  There's a tremendous power differential between the big-program coaches and the typical athletic parent.  I fault a parent much less for accepting a few thousand to send their kid to a college than I do a coach for accepting much more to sell out the kid.
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Fair enough - They could have chumped out the financial advisor or agent just as easily - Person just introduced them for his share of the pie. But do know that these kids and families are no "babes in the woods" once they get going on the big name AAU squads. It's an expectation that college coaches will be shady because the whole thing is shady, everyone knows they are in a sewer.  Taking up place in a prison for this "egregious" corruption is uncalled for and I say let the game stink to high heaven from here on out because it's beyond repair.

 
Just saw on twitter FBI just popped Nike EYBL grassroots  program. More ### puckering going on in KY, this time Lexington.

 
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When I read stories of kids asking for $10,000 just to visit a school, it's hard to look at the families as sympathetic victims in this whole game. (Assuming, of course, it's the families taking the money and not the street agents/handlers/etc.)

 
BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
Just saw on twitter FBI just popped Nike Grass Roots program. More ### puckering going on in KY, this time Lexington.
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Merl Code (the lesser Adidas guy and for the old guys here ex-Clemson player) worked there before moving over to Adidas.  Dawkins (one of the money men indicted) worked at ASM.  ASM was raided yesterday.  

Coincidence?  or are people already talking....

 
Dickie V had a nice little rant today about the whole corruption in NCAA BB.   Students taking money, family getting money, and the schools graduating kids who are Juniors in June, but graduate in August.   A lot of shady crap happens.       This is something I don't think the NCAA wants the FBI sniffing around in and pulling back the scab.        

Honestly is there a program that isn't paying kids with money, family with jobs, under the table, grades, cars, or fake diplomas?  Boosters, Bag Men,  Flunky assistants ... ugh         Yeah I think the NCAA would like for the FBI to go away before they see how far the corruption is spread.   

 
SHIZNITTTT said:
Honestly is there a program that isn't paying kids with money, family with jobs, under the table, grades, cars, or fake diplomas?  Boosters, Bag Men,  Flunky assistants ... ugh       
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just a guess here but probably the only clean D1 programs in the country are Wisconsin, UW-Green Bay and UW-Milwaukee

the rest of you lot cheat

 
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