Need help starting a keeper leauge (1 Viewer)

[Magnus_CA]

Hello all,

I'm in a big money league with two keepers. As a group we decided to increase it to 5 keepers, adding one keeper per year.

We have 10 teams, use High Performance scoring, with the following starting roster breakdown...

1 QB

2 RB

2 WR

1 RB/WR FLEX

1 TE

1 K

1 D

We've already established that you can only keep 2 players per position max. However, I'm not sure why someone would keep a player drafted in the 7th round if it means using one of your top 5 picks next year and that player isn't worth a top 5 pick. Someone has to be using league rules that compensate for this.

Thanks in advance for your replies!

 

[Magnus_CA]

bump to the top. Mods...please move this post if it's not the right forum. thx

 

[Jayrod]

Step 1: Learn how to spell "league" (sorry couldn't help it)

Seriously, though, I've never been in a keeper league, but the concept I like the most is that each player you keep loses a pick the next year 1 round earlier than the year before. So if you keep a guy that you picked in round 6, it would cost you a round 5 pick to keep him. Or something like that.......

 

[GridironMenace]

What exactly is your question?

From your statement: If a player was drafted in the 7th round costs that team a 5th rounder (or higher) for the current year, and that player doesn't have 5th round (or better) value, then there is no reason to keep that player at all. No team worth their salt would just keep a player just to keep a player if it costs them a draft pick in which the actual pick is more valuable than the player itself.

 

[Bulldog96]

We're considering using an ADP +1 RD system for next year...

It would force owners with potential studs to lose their top picks, however it would still allowing teams with lesser keepers to remain fairly competitive...

So an ADP 7th RDer would cost that owner his 8th RD Pick...

versus

an ADP 2nd RDer = 3rd RD Pick

We keep 3 players for 3 years drafted after the 3rd RD >>> owners would be allowed a 4th year, but lose the player's actual ADP to extend the contract (An ADP 1st RD selection would cost a 1st RD pick to extend their Franchise Player's contract, one per team).

We're "kickin' it around" and aren't exactly sure how it's gonna pan out... seems reasonable though.

 

[Magnus_CA]

Step 1: Learn how to spell "league" (sorry couldn't help it)

No, I had that coming.

Seriously, though, I've never been in a keeper league, but the concept I like the most is that each player you keep loses a pick the next year 1 round earlier than the year before. So if you keep a guy that you picked in round 6, it would cost you a round 5 pick to keep him. Or something like that.......

Exactly the kind of advice I was looking for. Thanks.

 

[Magnus_CA]

What exactly is your question?From your statement: If a player was drafted in the 7th round costs that team a 5th rounder (or higher) for the current year, and that player doesn't have 5th round (or better) value, then there is no reason to keep that player at all. No team worth their salt would just keep a player just to keep a player if it costs them a draft pick in which the actual pick is more valuable than the player itself.

Maybe I didn't do the best job of phrasing it (or spelling it) but the two other guys know where I'm going with it. I'm just looking for a simple way to allow owners to keep players without having to sacrifice their top 5 picks while keeping the league balanced.

 

[Magnus_CA]

Seriously, though, I've never been in a keeper league, but the concept I like the most is that each player you keep loses a pick the next year 1 round earlier than the year before. So if you keep a guy that you picked in round 6, it would cost you a round 5 pick to keep him. Or something like that.......

This would reward the sharks but I could see how this approach could unbalance the league in a hurry.

 

[Magnus_CA]

We're considering using an ADP +1 RD system for next year...It would force owners with potential studs to lose their top picks, however it would still allowing teams with lesser keepers to remain fairly competitive...So an ADP 7th RDer would cost that owner his 8th RD Pick...versusan ADP 2nd RDer = 3rd RD PickWe keep 3 players for 3 years drafted after the 3rd RD >>> owners would be allowed a 4th year, but lose the player's actual ADP to extend the contract (An ADP 1st RD selection would cost a 1st RD pick to extend their Franchise Player's contract, one per team). We're "kickin' it around" and aren't exactly sure how it's gonna pan out... seems reasonable though.

This makes a lot of sense...obviously it shouldn't apply someone with ADP in the 1st round but what if you have 2 players with an ADP in the same round?

 

[Bulldog96]

We're considering using an ADP +1 RD system for next year...It would force owners with potential studs to lose their top picks, however it would still allowing teams with lesser keepers to remain fairly competitive...So an ADP 7th RDer would cost that owner his 8th RD Pick...versusan ADP 2nd RDer = 3rd RD PickWe keep 3 players for 3 years drafted after the 3rd RD >>> owners would be allowed a 4th year, but lose the player's actual ADP to extend the contract (An ADP 1st RD selection would cost a 1st RD pick to extend their Franchise Player's contract, one per team). We're "kickin' it around" and aren't exactly sure how it's gonna pan out... seems reasonable though.

This makes a lot of sense...obviously it shouldn't apply someone with ADP in the 1st round but what if you have 2 players with an ADP in the same round?

Players with duplicate ADP's would lose the next consecutive RD, not to exceed 2 RD's from their ADP. If remaining keepers overlap a RD that would normally be lost >>> the actual ADP will be surrendered. Example : Three players and their ADP's : 12 team league (keep 3)Player 1 = ADP 1.06Player 2 = ADP 2.10Player 3 = ADP 1.12The team in this situation would lose layer 1 = 2nd RD pickPlayer 2 = 3rd RD pick Player 3 = 1st RD pick (since he cannot surrender less than 2 RD's from his ADP and the 3rd RD pick was already surrendered, he's forced to drop his 1st RD pick instead. )Keep in mind though that this team would still have TWO ADP 1st RD keepers AND a 2nd RD keeper. Sure it'd cost him his first 3 picks, but he's still ahead of the game according to their ADP's... He'd start his draft in the 4th Round.The same holds true in the instance of 3 players with the same ADP RD. If a team has three ADP 7th RDers, they'd lose an 8th, 9th and 7th to keep ALL three players.They're getting their keepers lower than where they'd fall in an actual draft... up to 2 RD's lower. Any more than that and they'll have to give up the actual ADP to keep 'em. It's up to the owner to decide how he wants to work it. He'll have to calculate which RD's he's willing to drop for Players X, Y and Z when they're ALL around the same ADP...Hope that makes sense...

 

[thayman]

Go IDP. Set a limit of say 5 keepers, let people protect as many as they want up to 5, with each player counting as their first pick. IE if you protect 3 players you don't get a pick until round 4.

If you go IDP it helps minimize the stud factor you are worried about. Any donkey can draft a team defense, IDP involves so much more work and can really help balance out the league.

 

[massraider]

Seriously, though, I've never been in a keeper league, but the concept I like the most is that each player you keep loses a pick the next year 1 round earlier than the year before. So if you keep a guy that you picked in round 6, it would cost you a round 5 pick to keep him. Or something like that.......

This would reward the sharks but I could see how this approach could unbalance the league in a hurry.

You know, you would think so, but unless a team really knocks it out of the park with a bunch of late round picks, other teams can move up in a hurry.I am in a very similar league to what you are describing. 12 teams, big money ($500 entry fee). Two major variables, we have a 40 round draft every year, with full IDP. Also, you are only required to give up the corresponding pick every year. LT was my 1st round pick two years ago, and LJ was my 8th. LJ still costs me an 8th every year. To further brag, I have Holt as my 3rd rounder, and Carson Palmer as my 4th rounder. We can keep 5 offensive, and 5 defensive.But I lost in the championship game to a guy who drafted MJD in the 31st round last year. And his team sucked two years ago. Colston went undrafted, and only costs his owner a 40th round pick for as long as he chooses to hold on to him (if a FA is a keeper, you give up your last pick for him). As for rewarding the sharks, yeah, that's probably true, but honestly, in a big money league, if there is a major disparity among the seriousness of the owners, you always wind up losing owners. People get tired of contributing their money to other people's home improvement projects. ANY keeper league, IMO, will be dominated by sharks.

 

[Chumpson]

We can only keep players selected after the 4th round they don't cost anything. That way most of the quality guys are left from the year before, but if you pick an upside guy 5th on and hold them for a year or 2 it could have value. Gore and Henry are the top guys this year picked after round 4.

 

[thayman]

Seriously, though, I've never been in a keeper league, but the concept I like the most is that each player you keep loses a pick the next year 1 round earlier than the year before. So if you keep a guy that you picked in round 6, it would cost you a round 5 pick to keep him. Or something like that.......

This would reward the sharks but I could see how this approach could unbalance the league in a hurry.

You know, you would think so, but unless a team really knocks it out of the park with a bunch of late round picks, other teams can move up in a hurry.I am in a very similar league to what you are describing. 12 teams, big money ($500 entry fee). Two major variables, we have a 40 round draft every year, with full IDP. Also, you are only required to give up the corresponding pick every year. LT was my 1st round pick two years ago, and LJ was my 8th. LJ still costs me an 8th every year. To further brag, I have Holt as my 3rd rounder, and Carson Palmer as my 4th rounder. We can keep 5 offensive, and 5 defensive.But I lost in the championship game to a guy who drafted MJD in the 31st round last year. And his team sucked two years ago. Colston went undrafted, and only costs his owner a 40th round pick for as long as he chooses to hold on to him (if a FA is a keeper, you give up your last pick for him). As for rewarding the sharks, yeah, that's probably true, but honestly, in a big money league, if there is a major disparity among the seriousness of the owners, you always wind up losing owners. People get tired of contributing their money to other people's home improvement projects. ANY keeper league, IMO, will be dominated by sharks.

You also can't underestimate how a full IDP can cut down on the advantage of having Tomlinson, Gore etc...