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[jcool]

I'm asking this because I had an owner lose by 1 point.

I'm looking for how Vick's loss of 3 yards at the end of last Thursday's game was scored. He had 51 rushing yards and when attempting to hand the ball off his lineman tripped him and he was touched down for a sack and loss of 3 yards. His rushing yards went from 51 to 48.

 

[Pickle Rody]

This is correct and tough luck for your owner. Whether you agree with it or not, the NFL scores sacks as rushing yardage losses for QB's....and as such, so do all fantasy football websites as far as I know. Your owner is just SOL.

 

[dennis.moore]

This is correct and tough luck for your owner. Whether you agree with it or not, the NFL scores sacks as rushing yardage losses for QB's....and as such, so do all fantasy football websites as far as I know. Your owner is just SOL.

No they don't. Sacks yards are subtracted from the passing yards to get Net Passing Yards. Sacks do not count as rushing yards in the NFL, they do in college.

 

[Please See Mine]

This is correct and tough luck for your owner. Whether you agree with it or not, the NFL scores sacks as rushing yardage losses for QB's....and as such, so do all fantasy football websites as far as I know. Your owner is just SOL.

What? They are deducted from team passing yards.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Really? Huh. Thought I saw differently somewhere, but I'm not looking for it. Guess you guys could be right.

 

[texasheat]

This is correct and tough luck for your owner. Whether you agree with it or not, the NFL scores sacks as rushing yardage losses for QB's....and as such, so do all fantasy football websites as far as I know. Your owner is just SOL.

No they don't. Sacks yards are subtracted from the passing yards to get Net Passing Yards. Sacks do not count as rushing yards in the NFL, they do in college.

This is correct

 

[David Yudkin]

I believe they ruled that Vick was in the process of making a handoff when he fell and was tackled. It was not ruled a passing play. Thus it was ruled a rushing attempt for -3 yards.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Really? Huh. Thought I saw differently somewhere, but I'm not looking for it. Guess you guys could be right.

They are right. "Sacks" (although it would no longer officially be a sack) are only deducted from a QBs rushing yards where the official scorer determines that the QB decided against the pass and became a runner.

 

[David Yudkin]

Really? Huh. Thought I saw differently somewhere, but I'm not looking for it. Guess you guys could be right.

They are right. "Sacks" (although it would no longer officially be a sack) are only deducted from a QBs rushing yards where the official scorer determines that the QB decided against the pass and became a runner.

I do not believe this is the case. If it is a designed pass play and the QB opts to scramble and gets tackled behind the LOS, it is still ruled a sack. IIRC, the only time a QB tackle behind the ROS is not ruled a sack is when it is a designed running play throughout the play. QBs get the benefit of not having to eat negative rushing plays very often.I suppose an official scorer could try to interpret that the play was never going to be a pass play and count it as a rushing attempt for negative yardage, but I don't think I have ever seen it scored that way.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Really? Huh. Thought I saw differently somewhere, but I'm not looking for it. Guess you guys could be right.

They are right. "Sacks" (although it would no longer officially be a sack) are only deducted from a QBs rushing yards where the official scorer determines that the QB decided against the pass and became a runner.

I do not believe this is the case. If it is a designed pass play and the QB opts to scramble and gets tackled behind the LOS, it is still ruled a sack. IIRC, the only time a QB tackle behind the ROS is not ruled a sack is when it is a designed running play throughout the play. QBs get the benefit of not having to eat negative rushing plays very often.I suppose an official scorer could try to interpret that the play was never going to be a pass play and count it as a rushing attempt for negative yardage, but I don't think I have ever seen it scored that way.

Maybe you are correct, but I've seen QBs "awarded" negative yards rushing and they weren't QBs that would have run plays designed for them (i.e. Kerry Collins).

 

[David Yudkin]

Really? Huh. Thought I saw differently somewhere, but I'm not looking for it. Guess you guys could be right.

They are right. "Sacks" (although it would no longer officially be a sack) are only deducted from a QBs rushing yards where the official scorer determines that the QB decided against the pass and became a runner.

I do not believe this is the case. If it is a designed pass play and the QB opts to scramble and gets tackled behind the LOS, it is still ruled a sack. IIRC, the only time a QB tackle behind the ROS is not ruled a sack is when it is a designed running play throughout the play. QBs get the benefit of not having to eat negative rushing plays very often.I suppose an official scorer could try to interpret that the play was never going to be a pass play and count it as a rushing attempt for negative yardage, but I don't think I have ever seen it scored that way.

Maybe you are correct, but I've seen QBs "awarded" negative yards rushing and they weren't QBs that would have run plays designed for them (i.e. Kerry Collins).

Kneel downs, botched snaps or handoffs, busted plays, even fumbles where the RB never got control of the ball are all credited to the QB as rushing plays. I remember a bunch of plays where Matt Cassel while filling in for Tom Brady had what appeared to be running plays but threw in a pump fake before he rolled out and was knocked out of bounds behind the LOS and they still were counted as sacks. I guess official scorers can rule whatever they want, but I almost always see scrambles ruled as sacks unless it is a designed bootleg.

 

[jcool]

Really? Huh. Thought I saw differently somewhere, but I'm not looking for it. Guess you guys could be right.

They are right. "Sacks" (although it would no longer officially be a sack) are only deducted from a QBs rushing yards where the official scorer determines that the QB decided against the pass and became a runner.

I do not believe this is the case. If it is a designed pass play and the QB opts to scramble and gets tackled behind the LOS, it is still ruled a sack. IIRC, the only time a QB tackle behind the ROS is not ruled a sack is when it is a designed running play throughout the play. QBs get the benefit of not having to eat negative rushing plays very often.I suppose an official scorer could try to interpret that the play was never going to be a pass play and count it as a rushing attempt for negative yardage, but I don't think I have ever seen it scored that way.

Maybe you are correct, but I've seen QBs "awarded" negative yards rushing and they weren't QBs that would have run plays designed for them (i.e. Kerry Collins).

Kneel downs, botched snaps or handoffs, busted plays, even fumbles where the RB never got control of the ball are all credited to the QB as rushing plays. I remember a bunch of plays where Matt Cassel while filling in for Tom Brady had what appeared to be running plays but threw in a pump fake before he rolled out and was knocked out of bounds behind the LOS and they still were counted as sacks. I guess official scorers can rule whatever they want, but I almost always see scrambles ruled as sacks unless it is a designed bootleg.

So is a sack considered minus pass net or rush?

 

[David Yudkin]

So is a sack considered minus pass net or rush?

Sacks come off of team passing yards.

 

[jcool]

So is a sack considered minus pass net or rush?

Sacks come off of team passing yards.

I looked up a few games and ESPN scoring gives minus yards for kneel downs as well.

 

[David Yudkin]

So is a sack considered minus pass net or rush?

Sacks come off of team passing yards.

I looked up a few games and ESPN scoring gives minus yards for kneel downs as well.

I mentioned that above . . .

Kneel downs, botched snaps or handoffs, busted plays, even fumbles where the RB never got control of the ball are all credited to the QB as rushing plays.

 

[jcool]

So is a sack considered minus pass net or rush?

Sacks come off of team passing yards.

I looked up a few games and ESPN scoring gives minus yards for kneel downs as well.

I mentioned that above . . .

Kneel downs, botched snaps or handoffs, busted plays, even fumbles where the RB never got control of the ball are all credited to the QB as rushing plays.

David I appreciate your help, but can you explain the ruling copied from ESPN scoreline in bold? As a commissioner I'm just trying to get the scoring right as playoff implications are awaiting my decision. Again thanks for the help.1st and 10 at HOU 11 (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass short middle to A.Johnson to 50 for 39 yards (D.Patterson).

1st and 10 at 50 (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Schaub sacked at HST 43 for -7 yards (N.Allen). FUMBLES (N.Allen), touched at HST 43, RECOVERED by PHI-D.Tapp at HST 49. D.Tapp to HST 49 for no gain (M.Schaub).

1st and 10 at HOU 49 M.Vick up the middle to PHI 48 for -3 yards (K.Jackson).

2nd and 13 at PHI 48 L.McCoy up the middle to HST 48 for 4 yards (T.Jamison).

3rd and 9 at HOU 48 L.McCoy right end to HST 49 for -1 yards (M.Williams).

Timeout #1 by PHI at 00:32.

4th and 10 at HOU 49 S.Rocca punts 35 yards to HST 14, Center-J.Dorenbos. J.Jones to HST 11 for -3 yards (C.Anderson).

 

[David Yudkin]

David I appreciate your help, but can you explain the ruling copied from ESPN scoreline in bold? As a commissioner I'm just trying to get the scoring right as playoff implications are awaiting my decision. Again thanks for the help.

1st and 10 at HOU 11 (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass short middle to A.Johnson to 50 for 39 yards (D.Patterson).

1st and 10 at 50 (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Schaub sacked at HST 43 for -7 yards (N.Allen). FUMBLES (N.Allen), touched at HST 43, RECOVERED by PHI-D.Tapp at HST 49. D.Tapp to HST 49 for no gain (M.Schaub).

1st and 10 at HOU 49 M.Vick up the middle to PHI 48 for -3 yards (K.Jackson).

2nd and 13 at PHI 48 L.McCoy up the middle to HST 48 for 4 yards (T.Jamison).

3rd and 9 at HOU 48 L.McCoy right end to HST 49 for -1 yards (M.Williams).

Timeout #1 by PHI at 00:32.

4th and 10 at HOU 49 S.Rocca punts 35 yards to HST 14, Center-J.Dorenbos. J.Jones to HST 11 for -3 yards (C.Anderson).

By the way it is depicted here (and the way it has been scored), Vick rushed for -3 yards on that play. It was not scored as a sack. It could be changed (theoretically), so you would have to check the statistical changes, usually announced on Thursdays if you want to be 100% sure.But as of now, Vick lost 3 yards and his scoring went down because of it (I have Vick and the same thing happened to me, not that it made any difference in my outcome or playoff chances).