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Netflix - Aaron Hernandez (1 Viewer)

BeTheMatch said:
Sure, that's plausible. And irresponsible. That's all I'm saying. These owners don't care about the players. Period. Separate issue than the murders. But an issue nevertheless.
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But why is that irresponsible?  What is their responsibility?  Both sides are trying to protect their monies.  I feel like the Pats went above and beyond here.

And I'll point out I'm not a Pats fan by any means.  41-33

 
TheIronSheik said:
But why is that irresponsible?  What is their responsibility?  Both sides are trying to protect their monies.  I feel like the Pats went above and beyond here.

And I'll point out I'm not a Pats fan by any means.  41-33
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Because you have a guy either legitimately afraid for his life. Or has mental-health issues. Or has a drug problem. And they basically did nothing. Even though they're his employer. An employer that likes to talk about the Patriot Way, and family and brotherhood, blah, blah, blah. I think they could have and should have done more to help him.

At that point, it was probably too late. But they certainly didn't know that.

It's also very irresponsible from a purely business standpoint, but I don't really care about that.

 
No interest in the guy and frankly wish his name would disappear into history as an irrelevant, forgotten public figure. Murderer and overall total scumbag

 
bigmarc27 said:
Finished it and kind of hated it. He committed multiple murders and they start trying to justify it with all kinds of stuff. Oh he was closeted gay and it made him kill!  No, he had CTE and it made him kill!  His parents sucked and it made him kill!

Come on. They show the clip of him playing with his daughter care-free the same morning they shot a guy and left him in a lot. He was a psychopath. 
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I only watched the first episode (so far), but I tend to agree with you.  All of those things may explain (partially, at least) why he was the way he was.  Pleasant one moment, filled with rage the next.  But, none of those things justify what he did. 

Everybody has internal struggles in life, and his were undoubtedly more complicated than many of us.  But, that doesn't mean he didn't know right from wrong, and it certainly doesn't justify being a murderous psychopath.  When you take the lives of multiple people (or just one, for that matter), your victim card pretty much gets revoked in my mind.  

 
tommyboy said:
No interest in the guy and frankly wish his name would disappear into history as an irrelevant, forgotten public figure. Murderer and overall total scumbag
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That he was a murderer, apparently on multiple occasions, and then played in the Superbowl the next season is why this makes an interesting watch.

 
Golden Gopher said:
I only watched the first episode (so far), but I tend to agree with you.  All of those things may explain (partially, at least) why he was the way he was.  Pleasant one moment, filled with rage the next.  But, none of those things justify what he did. 

Everybody has internal struggles in life, and his were undoubtedly more complicated than many of us.  But, that doesn't mean he didn't know right from wrong, and it certainly doesn't justify being a murderous psychopath.  When you take the lives of multiple people (or just one, for that matter), your victim card pretty much gets revoked in my mind.  
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I don't think anyone was trying to justify it or make excuses for him. I think they were just trying to answer the question that most people ask on stuff like this:  "How could someone do that?"

 
I haven't seen anything in the first 2 episodes that sensationalized or explain away what he did. They are just telling us who he is.

It's really a shocking, crazy, unbelievable and sad story. Watched first 2 on a flight and the hours flew by.

 
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BeTheMatch said:
Because you have a guy either legitimately afraid for his life. Or has mental-health issues. Or has a drug problem. And they basically did nothing. Even though they're his employer. An employer that likes to talk about the Patriot Way, and family and brotherhood, blah, blah, blah. I think they could have and should have done more to help him.

At that point, it was probably too late. But they certainly didn't know that.

It's also very irresponsible from a purely business standpoint, but I don't really care about that.
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Hernandez signed a contract extension essentially saying he had no issues that would prevent him from fulfilling the contract and no outstanding legal issues that would impact his availability to fulfill the contract. He did that AFTER he was later said to have killed people. 

At what point should AH have been the one demanding help and walking away from football (in addition to saying no to $40+ million)? Because it seems like he wanted all the perks and $$$ of football but already knew he would not be able to stay on the field and fulfill his contract. 

Maybe NE could have done more, but they were put in a lose lose situation. 

 
Additionally, Hernandez and his attorneys made MULTIPLE attempts to compel NE to   pay him more money. Those were when he was arrested, before his trial, after he was convicted, and even after he was dead. So I have a tough time thinking AH wanted anything but the Patriots’ money. And they fought tooth and nail for the money when it was clear his career was over. 

 
Excellent doc. I am amazed by the graphs they showed regarding a "normal" brain and one with CTE. I have apparently been uneducated on this. The difference was horrible.

 
TheIronSheik said:
I understand what you're saying, but respectfully disagree, GB.  The painkiller part seemed pointless to story other than to take a shot at the NFL.

As for the apartment, I'm guessing Hernandez went to the Pats and said, "Yo.  I think someone is after me and trying to kill me."  And the first question they asked him was, "Did you go to the police?"  And when he said no, I'm guessing they rolled their eyes and got him an apartment.  They didn't trade him because he was good and they just signed him to a huge contract.  
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This is how I saw it. 

 
The Aaron Hernandez documentary on Netflix is really interesting, but having Henry Lee Lucas confess to the murders despite being dead for 10 years was a poor attempt at a crossover.

 
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Watched it last night.  My takeaways that haven't really been addressed yet in this thread were:

  • So many instances where people described AH as paranoid........and then you hear about how he reacted to the drink spill in a club.   And how he shot his friend/buddy in the back seat straight thru the eye without much fanfare or discussion
  • While at Univ of FL:  seems to me that this is when things started to pick up.  Noticed that he really didn't have any tattoos before college and then gradually, the pictures of his time in Gainesville show more and more tattoos each time.  Who was his roommate?  Who was he hanging around during his time there?  Wanted them to dig a little more in this area     
    I know UF had a problem with players during Urban Meyer's tenure
  • Speaking of tattoos:     Why in the world would AH get tattoos related to murders?    just shows how out of touch with reality he was
  • The Fiancee:          The most damning part of the whole story was that AH called the fiancee from jail and instructed her "in code" to remove the gun locker/murder weapon(s)........and she is caught on tape, for goodness sake!!!   She has the nerve to act innocent on the stand while being caught in an obvious lie   [I don't recall this part of the trial being released or discussed by the media at all.]
  • The Inter-connected Family:      I also never knew about the relationship between AHs Fiancee and her sister, who was dating Odin.   What a devastating blow to an entire family to first lose a family member to murder and then have to deal with the obvious split in taking sides in the courtroom.
 
Surprised they didn't speculate more on whether the suicide was tied to getting outed two days prior.    They mentioned it but focused moreso on the abatement/money.

Wasn't surprised by the fiancee.  She still had the money on her mind.  

 
I don't think the documentary was that well put together. If it was 10 episodes long and it spent an episode on the gay stuff and one on the CTE that is fine, but it was a short documentary and it seemed to jump to random stuff in an unorganized manner. Lets talk to the gay patriot guy about gay stuff, lets talk to Chris Borland about CTE stuff, now back to Aaron Hernandez acting tough, now back to gay stuff etc. They felt more like snipped from another documentary that was at best tangentially related to this one. 

 
I agree that this was all over the place.  IMO, it should have been presented in chronological order.  

And the heavily tattooed, Hispanic guy that was Odin’s teammate made the most sense of all the people interviewed.

 
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I agree that this was all over the place.  IMO, it should have been presented in chronological order.  

And the heavily tattooed, Hispanic guy that was Odin’s teammate made the most sense of all the people interviewed.
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Btw, is semi pro football an actual thing that comes with notoriety in Boston or was that guy just delusional? Drug dealers weren’t giving them #### because they were “football players”? I assume it’s the latter. 

 
I didn't think the series was anything special. And I also have no clue why that gay Patriots linemen or Chris Borland were on it. Weird 

 
shadyridr said:
I didn't think the series was anything special. And I also have no clue why that gay Patriots linemen or Chris Borland were on it. Weird 
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Hernandez was gay and had severe CTE. Those guys gave perspective on those things. It's likely those two things had roles in his behavior.

 
I agree that it wasn’t great and was too long. A lot of wasted time.

Some interesting stuff in there though. The gay thing is super interesting.

 
So far I've watched episode one, I thought it was actually pretty decent. Is it worth watching the next two episodes?

ETA:  After episode 1, I feel a little more empathy for Hernandez.

 
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I do have empathy for him but he should have gotten help and he had the resources.

Aaron could have had advanced CTE because of the beating he was probably taking from his father. If the father was beating the mother, I'm sure he believed in violently punishing his sons. Aaron's brother believes Aaron was molested by an older boy when he was 7 if I remember correctly. His mother is a piece of work. After his father died from complications from hernia surgery, she moved another man in the house a month later. The man was Aaron's cousin's boyfriend. The cousin seemed to be the only one that cared about him but she had her issues as well. She was more of a mother figure than his mother. His mother didn't seem like she loved her son. She was mad at him because he wouldn't give her a million dollars but wouldn't go to court consistently.

Aaron acted like a scared little boy when Kraft came into the courtroom. He looked like when you were a kid and your parents found out you did something wrong.

There is no way the people around him did not know he was a nutcase.

 
RUSF18 said:
Btw, is semi pro football an actual thing that comes with notoriety in Boston or was that guy just delusional? Drug dealers weren’t giving them #### because they were “football players”? I assume it’s the latter. 
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Pretty common for drug dealers to leave athletes who aren't slangin/involved alone. Its a weird dynamic but its (mostly) true.  Sometimes its because they want to see the players succeed but more often than not its because athletes tend to have good support systems and those people would object and bring unnecessary attention to their illegal activities. 

 
Nemesis said:
Watched it last night.  My takeaways that haven't really been addressed yet in this thread were:

  • So many instances where people described AH as paranoid........and then you hear about how he reacted to the drink spill in a club.   And how he shot his friend/buddy in the back seat straight thru the eye without much fanfare or discussion
  • While at Univ of FL:  seems to me that this is when things started to pick up.  Noticed that he really didn't have any tattoos before college and then gradually, the pictures of his time in Gainesville show more and more tattoos each time.  Who was his roommate?  Who was he hanging around during his time there?  Wanted them to dig a little more in this area     
    I know UF had a problem with players during Urban Meyer's tenure
  • Speaking of tattoos:     Why in the world would AH get tattoos related to murders?    just shows how out of touch with reality he was
  • The Fiancee:          The most damning part of the whole story was that AH called the fiancee from jail and instructed her "in code" to remove the gun locker/murder weapon(s)........and she is caught on tape, for goodness sake!!!   She has the nerve to act innocent on the stand while being caught in an obvious lie   [I don't recall this part of the trial being released or discussed by the media at all.]
  • The Inter-connected Family:      I also never knew about the relationship between AHs Fiancee and her sister, who was dating Odin.   What a devastating blow to an entire family to first lose a family member to murder and then have to deal with the obvious split in taking sides in the courtroom.
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The popularity of tattoos skyrocketed around that time so even the heavily tattooed look he was working on was fairly common, especially among athletes. I was more pissed at the quality of tattoos he had given his means. I couldn't tell if his tattoo artist was nervous cause of Hernandez or because his work looked like ####. As far as why he got them, maybe he didn't think they would find out or really didn't care at that point. One of his friends from HS did mention the tattoos in the piece.

The fiance disposing of the gun was pretty well talked about back then. I don't think she acted innocent as much as calculated. Her man was a stone cold murderer and she didn't object so her morals weren't that far off from his. 

I think the most heart wrenching scene in the entire doc was when the fiance was on the stand and they asked her if her and her sister were close and she basically said not really. She sacrificed her own relationship with her sister for money she was never going to get. 

 
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Was surprised to learn they reversed not only the law, but his non-conviction status.  Not sure how I missed that.  But good.

Watched the REELZ one this weekend.  Was not that good.  Felt budget.  But they did have two things that were interesting.  One was they had a male escort who was at his place the week before the murder and he claims he overheard him say that a guy named Odin needed to be dealt with.  And Hernandez said, "I'd rather go to jail for murder than to let that get out."  Apparently Odin stole some meds from Aaron.  What were the meds?  Well, that wasn't fully known, but the second interesting thing was during the investigation into what it could be, they found records where his defense team wanted all of the medical records from the Pats.  And all of the boxes were checked with the exception of HIV/STD's.  

So they were saying that the meds could have been for HIV or AIDS.  And he was worried if that got out, his life would be ruined and his career would be over.  Of course, killing someone does that, too.

They also interviewed his jailhouse lover.  It was crazy.  He had love letters from Aaron where Aaron was saying he wanted to get married to the guy.  

 
Do all teams have a guy on staff who job is the deal with “things”? Didn’t the Pats find it strange that Aaron thought someone was trying to kill him. Their response was to have their “guy” get him a secret apartment. Didn’t know about that going in and thought it was strange.

 
fruity pebbles said:
Do all teams have a guy on staff who job is the deal with “things”? Didn’t the Pats find it strange that Aaron thought someone was trying to kill him. Their response was to have their “guy” get him a secret apartment. Didn’t know about that going in and thought it was strange.
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I would assume all teams have a fixer.  And again, I'm guessing when he claimed that someone was trying to kill him, the first thing they did was ask if he contacted the police.  

 
Meh...Wasn't the best doc in the world.  Didn't detail much, and I felt the biggest push from the creators was A.A. Ron did all this cause he was secretly gay.  

 
Getzlaf15 said:
If she threw it in a dumpster, it's in a land fill by then.  Doesn't really matter with the text from Aaron to get it and the video of her taking it out.
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Not worried so much about that.  What I'm saying is why did they give her immunity if there was nothing she gave them?  It seems usually you give immunity with the stipulation that they will give some information in return.  

At least that's how it works in TV shows and movies.

 
TheIronSheik said:
Not worried so much about that.  What I'm saying is why did they give her immunity if there was nothing she gave them?  It seems usually you give immunity with the stipulation that they will give some information in return.  

At least that's how it works in TV shows and movies.
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I think her lawyers got them to agree to give her immunity prior to her testimony and she played them. 
 

She might be just as much as a sociopath as he was. I’d be terrified if I was the dude she’s with now. 
 

Also, she’s not remotely hot enough to risk it. 

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
I think her lawyers got them to agree to give her immunity prior to her testimony and she played them. 
 

She might be just as much as a sociopath as he was. I’d be terrified if I was the dude she’s with now. 
 

Also, she’s not remotely hot enough to risk it. 
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I'm always amazed by people like her.  Someone who obviously knows what he's capable of, yet must think to themselves, "Sure, he'll do that to other people, but not me." 

She's on the outside, disposing of key evidence in a murder investigation.  Meanwhile, he's in jail having a relationship with a celly and telling that guy he hopes to marry him someday.   

 
TheIronSheik said:
Not worried so much about that.  What I'm saying is why did they give her immunity if there was nothing she gave them?  It seems usually you give immunity with the stipulation that they will give some information in return.  

At least that's how it works in TV shows and movies.
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Going off of memory (I live 45 minutes from Boston), they left a lot out of the documentary. At one point the fiancé and AH tried to get married while he was incarcerated so she would not have to testify or cooperate with authorities. I believe the warden would not allow that, and they threatened to charge her with being an accomplice and / or accessory after the fact. 

Things are a little fuzzy, but they gave her immunity in the hopes she would provide information on other things not just the murder weapon. Perhaps greater access to the house, info on his whereabouts, info on the other shooting, etc. As things were unfolding, it sounded like the AH residence was a hangout for lots of people with plenty of drug activity. Maybe they tried to tie her to that as well. I believe the authorities were trying to get dirt on AH and his thug friends. I don't thing they really were all that interested in charging her.

 
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