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The Duff Man said:
There is no more two steps in the context of falling to the ground. 

Catch the ball. Take two steps while falling to the ground. Ball moves when you hit the ground.

The rule as written says it is not a catch.  Even if you controlled the ball during the two steps.  

Horsedung....but that is how it is written.
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I agree, but that scenario assumes there wasn't a football move.

I'm not sure why turning your body around 180 degrees and extending the ball isn't considered a football move.  He wasn't simply going to the ground.  He was making a football move, which itself completes the catch.  Or at least that's what's been explained 1,000 times before.

 
DropKick said:
Reaching for the end zone has been huge this year as we've seen numerous plays at the pylon.  Can't blame the player for his instincts but you have to secure the catch.

Can't criticize trying to win the game rather than "settle" for OT.
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Bull####. It was a catch.  I’m sick of the NFL trying to tell me what my eyes see didn’t happen

 
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JoeSteeler said:
Exciting game between two pretty evenly matched teams. Came down to 1-2 plays. First time in years I won't dread it if the Steelers have to play the Pats again
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Finally a reasonable steeler fan response. 

Hope they meey again in AFCCC. Will be a heck of a game 

 
Mike Pereira ✔ @MikePereira

Look, here is the rule. If you’re going to the ground you have to hold onto the ball when the ball hits the ground…Going to the ground trumps lunging/reaching to try and get extra yards or score a TD. You do that at your own risk. It’s incomplete…just ask Dez

 
DallasDMac said:
I don't think so. He had one hand on each side of the ball and his left hand came off when it hit the ground. I told my wife immediately after the first close up that the TD was going to be taken away. I'm actually surprised it took as long as it did.
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His right hand never came off the ball. I was surprised they over turned the call on the field 

 
What I can say is this Patriots team doesn't scare me.  

Brown reportedly has only a partially torn calf and will be back for the playoffs, as will Haden.  The Steelers win this game if Brown doesn't get hurt, and Haden will allow double teams and much better coverage on Gronk.... not that there's any way to truly match up with him.  And the Patriots still don't have an answer for Bell.

I really, really, really hope there's a rematch in the playoffs.  It'll be a tougher challenge in Foxboro, but this Patriots team is very beatable.

Here's hoping for a meeting in the AFCC.

 
Steelers4Life said:
I agree, but that scenario assumes there wasn't a football move.

I'm not sure why turning your body around 180 degrees and extending the ball isn't considered a football move.  He wasn't simply going to the ground.  He was making a football move, which itself completes the catch.  Or at least that's what's been explained 1,000 times before.
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I don't think this applies any more if you are going to the ground. It makes no sense, but they have been consistent in calling that if you catch and then go to the ground you need to control the entire time. 

They ignore every other rule that is normally used to determine a catch, football moves, two steps. 

 
Steelers4Life said:
What I can say is this Patriots team doesn't scare me.  

Brown reportedly has only a partially torn calf and will be back for the playoffs, as will Haden.  The Steelers win this game if Brown doesn't get hurt, and Haden will allow double teams and much better coverage on Gronk.... not that there's any way to truly match up with him.  And the Patriots still don't have an answer for Bell.

I really, really, really hope there's a rematch in the playoffs.  It'll be a tougher challenge in Foxboro, but this Patriots team is very beatable.

Here's hoping for a meeting in the AFCC.
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You may have to beat Jacksonville first...

 
Does anyone remember why the NFL put in that "going to the ground" rule back in 2010-ish?  I vaguely recall that it was an attempt to address some other catch/no-catch situations, but it seems like it's created more problems than it has solved.

 
kyoun1e said:
You may have to beat Jacksonville first...
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I'll like the odds of Jacksonville being unable to win in Pittsburgh twice in a year.  Everything that could go wrong did in that first matchup, and I'll take Ben at home over Bortles on the road in the playoffs.  

I'd like this Steelers team to get another shot at the Patriots no matter where the game is played.

 
Yenrub said:
His right hand never came off the ball. I was surprised they over turned the call on the field 
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The ball was literally lying on the ground.

I understand the football move argument.  But, no, he didn't maintain possession when it hit the ground.

The TD that shouldn't have been was the Byrd TD for Carolina.  His butt landed on white just like a foot would cause an incompletion.

 
AB in DC said:
Does anyone remember why the NFL put in that "going to the ground" rule back in 2010-ish?  I vaguely recall that it was an attempt to address some other catch/no-catch situations, but it seems like it's created more problems than it has solved.
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It's created a bunch of horse#### situations in which an obvious TD is ruled incomplete because reasons.  It's amazing this wasn't fixed after the Megatron game.

 
kyoun1e said:
You may have to beat Jacksonville first...
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And you may have to beat KC.  Lots of scenarios.  One thing I know after watching today's game is that both the Pats and Steelers are 2 vulnerable teams.  I don't think either team should just assume an AFC championship bid.

 
Steelers4Life said:
I'll like the odds of Jacksonville being unable to win in Pittsburgh twice in a year.  Everything that could go wrong did in that first matchup, and I'll take Ben at home over Bortles on the road in the playoffs.  

I'd like this Steelers team to get another shot at the Patriots no matter where the game is played.
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Still a lot of football left all 3 top teams could still finish 1 to 3.

 
DropKick said:
The ball was literally lying on the ground.

I understand the football move argument.  But, no, he didn't maintain possession when it hit the ground.

The TD that shouldn't have been was the Byrd TD for Carolina.  His butt landed on white just like a foot would cause an incompletion.
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Yeah when I saw the replays, I kept telling everyone in my house that there is no way that is going to be ruled a catch.  It wasn't a catch.  

 
Replay and the ridiculous catch process suck the fun out of the sport. It's a sport, not rocket science. There is no reason to make it so complicated.

 
Steelers4Life said:
I'll like the odds of Jacksonville being unable to win in Pittsburgh twice in a year.  Everything that could go wrong did in that first matchup, and I'll take Ben at home over Bortles on the road in the playoffs.  

I'd like this Steelers team to get another shot at the Patriots no matter where the game is played.
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Pittsburgh has nothing  for Jacksonville’s defense. They will shutdown the running game and its a wrap. Defense wins titles and the Jags are going to take out philly in the sb.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
It's created a bunch of horse#### situations in which an obvious TD is ruled incomplete because reasons.  It's amazing this wasn't fixed after the Megatron game.
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shouldn't the break the plane of the goal line take precedence? its certainly does on a running play.....

By far the dumbest rule in the league

 
It’s an absurd rule, but if you go by the letter of the law it was the right call...The NFL should get rid of the rule.

 
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modogg said:
i just think it is particularly selfish here. Why poke a guy like Burfict who already plays hard? what if Burfict can't  get a shot on Juju next game so he takes out Bell or something because Pittsburgh keeps antagonizing?
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He already did that once.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
It's created a bunch of horse#### situations in which an obvious TD is ruled incomplete because reasons.  It's amazing this wasn't fixed after the Megatron game.
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Pats fan here.  I completely agree.  As soon as that ball crossed the chalk it should be six points.  The need to rethink the whole "process of a catch" logic because its a fail.

But still when Dez Bryant failed to complete the process of a catch against Green Bay that was funny as ####.

Don't like NE's chances in the playoffs as both PIT and KC will be gunning for them.

 
modogg said:
i just think it is particularly selfish here. Why poke a guy like Burfict who already plays hard? what if Burfict can't  get a shot on Juju next game so he takes out Bell or something because Pittsburgh keeps antagonizing?
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Burfict doesn't need a reason to play dirty or take cheap shots

 
While the rule may be dumb it’s not that hard to interpret. People arguing against it, i kind of doubt have actually read the rule 

 
What I don't get is how do you say the receiver doesn't have control of the ball when he was able to catch it and lunge for the goalline?

 
Lost in all the last minute craziness was the Steelers inexcusably playing Gronk 1on1 for the two-point conversion. Make Brady go to anyone but him.

 
wilked said:
When you put it that way it certainly looks daunting 
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It is daunting mainly because this year’s pats team is not really on another level compared to the other AFC teams.  With that said, if Gronk stays healthy I would still bet on the Pats over the field.  

 
ShamrockPride said:
What I don't get is how do you say the receiver doesn't have control of the ball when he was able to catch it and lunge for the goalline?
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Needs to maintain control to the ground. No other rules regarding posssion or what a runner can do (cross the plane) apply until he demonstrates control all the way to the ground. 

 
fred_1_15301 said:
It is daunting mainly because this year’s pats team is not really on another level compared to the other AFC teams.  With that said, if Gronk stays healthy I would still bet on the Pats over the field.  
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Not remotely concerned about KC. Pretenders. A. Reid will coach KC to a loss against NE.

Steelers are way overdue to beat NE. 

I'm most concerned about JAX. That D is trouble and Bortles is actually beyond competent. If LF gets 100% healthy I could see them beating either or both Pitt and NE.

 
ShamrockPride said:
What I don't get is how do you say the receiver doesn't have control of the ball when he was able to catch it and lunge for the goalline?
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He also went to the ground as he made the catch and you have to maintain possession through the contact with the ground.  He didn't.  The "lunge" aspect is worth discussion.  At one time, the league used the phrase "football move" which can be and has been pretty subjective.  It's rare to see the "foootball move" interpretation. The last I remember was in a Superbowl (Saints/colts). However, today, the emphasis is on maintaining possession though the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlHyGAw4ffY

 
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Basically if you are going to reach out as a runner....all good. 

If just caught the ball and reach out, you are risking an incompletion if you can't control it at the end.....even after it has crossed the plane. 

 
I said this about the Dez catch - by logic is was a catch, by rule it was not a catch.

However, the Steelers did not lose the game on that play.  After the amazing JuJu huge play to get them to the 10 yard line, the Steelers apparently scored on the next play but it was overturned, obviously.  At that point there were 34 seconds left in the game, you have 2 shots to score a TD or you are going to OT.  While the replay was rolling, why weren't the Steelers planing for it to be overturned?  I thought the 2nd down play was really bad too - a short pass to DHB short of the goal line - no passes should have been thrown short of the goal line.  When DHB was tackled, the Steelers seemed to panic when they didn't need to panic.  And the fake spike play was stupid because I'm pretty sure nobody thought they were going to spike it.  Running a legitimate play with everyone going into the EZ would have been better.  But even at that point, the fake spike play didn't work and there was no reason for Ben to try to thread that needle into double coverage.

So to summarize:

They screwed up during the timeout/review period by not planning the final 3 plays better.

Second down was stupid because they completed a pass short of the goal line, and because the clock was running the Steelers panicked.

While ####ting their pants, they ran the fake spike play (that nobody believed was going to be a spike) and the Pats covered it very well.  Instead of throwing the ball into the monongahela river, Ben tries to fit the ball into double coverage.

Does that about cover it?

 
Steeler said:
I said this about the Dez catch - by logic is was a catch, by rule it was not a catch.

However, the Steelers did not lose the game on that play.  After the amazing JuJu huge play to get them to the 10 yard line, the Steelers apparently scored on the next play but it was overturned, obviously.  At that point there were 34 seconds left in the game, you have 2 shots to score a TD or you are going to OT.  While the replay was rolling, why weren't the Steelers planing for it to be overturned?  I thought the 2nd down play was really bad too - a short pass to DHB short of the goal line - no passes should have been thrown short of the goal line.  When DHB was tackled, the Steelers seemed to panic when they didn't need to panic.  And the fake spike play was stupid because I'm pretty sure nobody thought they were going to spike it.  Running a legitimate play with everyone going into the EZ would have been better.  But even at that point, the fake spike play didn't work and there was no reason for Ben to try to thread that needle into double coverage.

So to summarize:

They screwed up during the timeout/review period by not planning the final 3 plays better.

Second down was stupid because they completed a pass short of the goal line, and because the clock was running the Steelers panicked.

While ####ting their pants, they ran the fake spike play (that nobody believed was going to be a spike) and the Pats covered it very well.  Instead of throwing the ball into the monongahela river, Ben tries to fit the ball into double coverage.

Does that about cover it?
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Yes but hopefully they learn from it.  Fortunately the season is not over.  I’m excited to see how this plays out.

 
Steeler said:
While ####ting their pants, they ran the fake spike play (that nobody believed was going to be a spike) and the Pats covered it very well.  Instead of throwing the ball into the monongahela river, Ben tries to fit the ball into double coverage.

Does that about cover it?
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I don't understand why they ran a fake spike. You have enough time there to run a solid play. You're not going to fool NE there so why not have multiple receivers running a pattern?

As much as Ben made a poor decision it was also a horrible coaching decision to run that play.

 
Steeler said:
I said this about the Dez catch - by logic is was a catch, by rule it was not a catch.

However, the Steelers did not lose the game on that play.  After the amazing JuJu huge play to get them to the 10 yard line, the Steelers apparently scored on the next play but it was overturned, obviously.  At that point there were 34 seconds left in the game, you have 2 shots to score a TD or you are going to OT.  While the replay was rolling, why weren't the Steelers planing for it to be overturned?  I thought the 2nd down play was really bad too - a short pass to DHB short of the goal line - no passes should have been thrown short of the goal line.  When DHB was tackled, the Steelers seemed to panic when they didn't need to panic.  And the fake spike play was stupid because I'm pretty sure nobody thought they were going to spike it.  Running a legitimate play with everyone going into the EZ would have been better.  But even at that point, the fake spike play didn't work and there was no reason for Ben to try to thread that needle into double coverage.

So to summarize:

They screwed up during the timeout/review period by not planning the final 3 plays better.

Second down was stupid because they completed a pass short of the goal line, and because the clock was running the Steelers panicked.

While ####ting their pants, they ran the fake spike play (that nobody believed was going to be a spike) and the Pats covered it very well.  Instead of throwing the ball into the monongahela river, Ben tries to fit the ball into double coverage.

Does that about cover it?
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I think there were players from both teams standing around (watch the replay). so the "fake" wasn't a bad thing.  Personally, I expected the fake remembering very well the Marino fake against the Jets.

Big plays were the 2 point conversion - without it the Steelers just kick a FG.  Also, tackling Bryant in-bounds on 2nd down.  3rd down was bad luck.

 
First he didn't go to the ground as part of the catch. It was a move to go in the end zone, so it is the wrong rule to even be thinking about.

Second, I never saw a single shot that you can clearly see the ball is on the ground. I cannot see how you can call that indisputable evidence.

 
kyoun1e said:
Not remotely concerned about KC. Pretenders. A. Reid will coach KC to a loss against NE.

Steelers are way overdue to beat NE. 

I'm most concerned about JAX. That D is trouble and Bortles is actually beyond competent. If LF gets 100% healthy I could see them beating either or both Pitt and NE.
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The reason the Steelers seem overdue to beat the Patriots is that they almost never do actually beat them. I only recall one regular season game (when the Steelers beat the Eagles and the Pats two games in a row to break both of their winning streaks). Never beat them in the playoffs. Where you say "overdue," I say it has not happened nor will it happen this year. The Pats are in the Steelers' head, it looks likely that the game will be in NE, and most importantly, the Steelers always get significantly outcoached. It's been freeing this year to know, since the preseason, that the end is pre-ordained. I've come to accept that the Steelers can only get to the Super Bowl if some other team takes care of the Pats. Seems as true today as ever. I hope the 6-seed (or whoever gets to Foxboro in the Divisional round) has some decent matchups with NE because they are the Steelers' only hope.

 
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