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New England trying to move into Top 10 (1 Viewer)
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Thompson did well trading picks with Bellichick in 2006.
Ron_Mexico
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munchkin
Footballguy
The rumor is 23 and 47 for 8. The value chart shows that as 1190 for 1400; seems fair if you factor in the salaries. At 9 that would be a value of 1350. Wouldn't it be ironic if the Packers took advantage of another move up by the Patriots and ended up with the better players (s). That Chad Jackson for Jennings draft day positional trade worked out pretty well for the Pack.
I would imagine there are a lot of teams calling around to see what it would take to move up to different positions on the board.
I would imagine there are a lot of teams calling around to see what it would take to move up to different positions on the board.
Ron_Mexico
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Patriots Trying To Trade Up In Draft
Fri, 04/24/2009 - 2:17pm
By: Christopher Price
NFL executives from two teams have told SI.com that the Patriots have offered their first-round pick and middle of three second-round picks (the 23rd and 47th picks overall) to Jacksonville for the eighth pick in this weekend's draft.
Fri, 04/24/2009 - 2:17pm
By: Christopher Price
NFL executives from two teams have told SI.com that the Patriots have offered their first-round pick and middle of three second-round picks (the 23rd and 47th picks overall) to Jacksonville for the eighth pick in this weekend's draft.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Seems like almost every year or so there rumors of Pats trying to move up to the top of the draft. Last year for Gholston, a few years ago for D'Wayne Roberston. I might be missing some. I'd be surprised if anything comes of it.
Wouldn't surprise me though if they were targeting a 3-4 defender that BB knows McD & the Broncos know the Pats want. Hence leapfrogging Denver for the player they feel will be taken at #12.
Wouldn't surprise me though if they were targeting a 3-4 defender that BB knows McD & the Broncos know the Pats want. Hence leapfrogging Denver for the player they feel will be taken at #12.
jurrassic
Footballguy
Would be pretty much a coup if the Pats get the #9 and Crabtree is on the board. Moss and Crabtree not bad. King thought the most logical move was for Tyson Jackson but it wouldn't shock me to see them take Beanie Wells either. He didn mention they may be moving up for an offensive player. Should be interesting.
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Ron_Mexico
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I would love to see Tyson Jackson as the pick, but you're right about Crabtree.That would be sick. I don't think they would take Wells, but BB is always good for the unexpected.
I could definitely see the Packers making a deal if they could get NE's high first rounder that they got from the Chiefs. Not sure what the trade value chart says about 35 vs 47, but 23 & 35 for 9 sounds possible and would giv ethe pack 3 picks in the top 40 or so plus 2 third rounders and TT loves picks. With the move to a 3-4 and needs at OT the Pack could use the extra picks.
PatsWillWin
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They're not trading up for Beanie Wells. Certainly not to top 10. C'mon now.
It doesn't look like Tyson Jackson will still be around at that spot.
Possible targets imo:
Orakpo
Maybin
Andre Smith
Oher
It doesn't look like Tyson Jackson will still be around at that spot.
Possible targets imo:
Orakpo
Maybin
Andre Smith
Oher
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Tigerbot Hesh
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FreeBaGeL
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Yeah, I'm not sure that teams are really sticking to that anymore. Didn't the Jags move up from 25 to 8 for something pretty cheap last year?
Ron_Mexico
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Getting out of paying the big guaranteed contractshave given teams more impetus to trade down.
Ron_Mexico
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add local flavor, BJ Raji.
Angry Beavers
Footballguy
Could also be a bunch of Malarkey............ BB won't discuss anything about the team - injuries etc. so the day before the draft the entire free world knows the Pats are trying to move up? Do you really buy this? I am not saying that it is not possible but I have my doubts............
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PatsWillWin
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Trades involve two teams. Injuries involve one.
JAA
Footballguy
Raji for the PAts? Dont think he fits the 3-4 unless he is going to backup Wilfolk, who is a complete stud
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I agree 100%, nobody is moving up to the 8th spot to land Wells, that would be completely foolish. I like the Orakpo pick, I don't see them going Crabtree even if he is on the board. Andre Smith also seems reasonable. My best guesses are Orakpo/B.J Raji
PatsWillWin
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One year left on his deal, but yeah, he has to be our top priority to re-sign...my guess is Wilrok re-ups and Seymour walks next year.I wouldn't be surprised if GB is hesitant to trade down because they are hoping Raji will fall - they're switching to a 3-4 and I'm not sure if they have the right NT, which is critical in that scheme.
jurrassic
Footballguy
I am not saying it will happen, I do know Wells is high alot of boards and is rising quickly.
JAA
Footballguy
Makes complete sense. Finding a 3-4 NT is TOUGH so them trading up to get a 3-4 DE makes even more sense.
They gave:26th - 70071st - 23589th - 145125th - 471,127 so close to the NE point total they are reported to be offering. However, quantity over quality may have been a factor in the previous trade. Also it was widely reported that Baltimore "wanted" to trade down if Matt Ryan was off the board by their pick so they may have taken less just to get out of the pick.
JAA
Footballguy
where have you read this? I would be surprised to see Beanie in the 1st round ...
tombonneau
Footballguy
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Yudkin has heard from several places now that the Pats appear to be trying to move up, but Yudkin thinks that NE may be trying to move up to trade the pick they get in a package to the Panthers for Julius Peppers. (With the usual caveats that they can't fit him in under the cap still in play.) The Panthers just shelled out a lot of money for Delhomme and Yudkin thinks that Carolina can't break the bank on Peppers as well.I have heard rumors circulating from people that know way more than we do that they don't think the Peppers deal is dead and buried and that the Pats are still unoffically talking to the Panthers about it. I'd give those people more credit than the run of the mill web site rumors, but I'll still believe it when I see it.I think they are targeting Malcom Jenkins. Look at their secondary. Their late 1st, and there late second and take Jenkins at 9 or 10, and Stintin at 2.03 and they filled a CB and an OLB spot.I DEMAND Yudkin!
scrumptrulescent
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"George likes his chicken spicy!"Yudkin has heard from several places now that the Pats appear to be trying to move up, but Yudkin thinks that NE may be trying to move up to trade the pick they get in a package to the Panthers for Julius Peppers. (With the usual caveats that they can't fit him in under the cap still in play.) The Panthers just shelled out a lot of money for Delhomme and Yudkin thinks that Carolina can't break the bank on Peppers as well.I have heard rumors circulating from people that know way more than we do that they don't think the Peppers deal is dead and buried and that the Pats are still unoffically talking to the Panthers about it. I'd give those people more credit than the run of the mill web site rumors, but I'll still believe it when I see it.I think they are targeting Malcom Jenkins. Look at their secondary. Their late 1st, and there late second and take Jenkins at 9 or 10, and Stintin at 2.03 and they filled a CB and an OLB spot.I DEMAND Yudkin!
Boston
Footballguy
This would not surprise me one bit. The Pats have had a great offseason but have yet to address their biggest weakness...their pass-rush (preferably done by a LB because they're dangerously thin at this position). Right now their inability to get to the QB is an area of huge exposure that good teams can take advantage of. Also, while he was off last year the fact they lost Vrabel makes this area even weaker unless they really think Pierre Woods or Shawn Crable are ready for the big time (which is a reach). The longer the Pats have not addressed this area the more I have felt they have something up their sleeve, whether it be Peppers, Taylor or something totally out-of-leftfield. Therefore if they can somehow figure how to do this financially I think they'll go after him. Yet, the financial part looms so large over this that there has to be several moving parts (and Delhomme's contract could be one of them).Overall, whether it's Peppers or a deal into the top 10 area I fully expect the Pats to obtain at least one impact player this weekend Whether it's a front seven defender, an O-lineman or skill position player will depend on who the Pats really like but I think if they are going to do everything possible to make a major move. Brady's 31 and the window is still open and what they do this weekend will greatly influence their ability to win another title (or two) during the #12 era.Yudkin has heard from several places now that the Pats appear to be trying to move up, but Yudkin thinks that NE may be trying to move up to trade the pick they get in a package to the Panthers for Julius Peppers. (With the usual caveats that they can't fit him in under the cap still in play.) The Panthers just shelled out a lot of money for Delhomme and Yudkin thinks that Carolina can't break the bank on Peppers as well.I have heard rumors circulating from people that know way more than we do that they don't think the Peppers deal is dead and buried and that the Pats are still unoffically talking to the Panthers about it. I'd give those people more credit than the run of the mill web site rumors, but I'll still believe it when I see it.I think they are targeting Malcom Jenkins. Look at their secondary. Their late 1st, and there late second and take Jenkins at 9 or 10, and Stintin at 2.03 and they filled a CB and an OLB spot.I DEMAND Yudkin!
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tombonneau
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Why trade their picks to acquire a pick they could trade to the Panthers? Why not just deal the picks to Carolina that they would use to get #8 or #9 and let Carolina take it from there. Or is Carolina's FO too incompetent/lazy to be bothered with doing it on their own? Just seems odd.Yudkin has heard from several places now that the Pats appear to be trying to move up, but Yudkin thinks that NE may be trying to move up to trade the pick they get in a package to the Panthers for Julius Peppers. (With the usual caveats that they can't fit him in under the cap still in play.) The Panthers just shelled out a lot of money for Delhomme and Yudkin thinks that Carolina can't break the bank on Peppers as well.I have heard rumors circulating from people that know way more than we do that they don't think the Peppers deal is dead and buried and that the Pats are still unoffically talking to the Panthers about it. I'd give those people more credit than the run of the mill web site rumors, but I'll still believe it when I see it.I think they are targeting Malcom Jenkins. Look at their secondary. Their late 1st, and there late second and take Jenkins at 9 or 10, and Stintin at 2.03 and they filled a CB and an OLB spot.I DEMAND Yudkin!
-baller
Footballguy
I think the pats are only about $4m under the cap (thx, miguel http://www.patscap.com/) and mayo's hit was about 2m last year, so wouldn't a top ten guy be a pretty tight fit?
I guess they could do it, though.
if it was for peppers, I don't see why this whole thing couldn't have been done already, w/the pats shipping multiple picks to carolina, and carolina finding a trading partner to nab a top 10 pick.
if anything, the delhomme signing should make it easier to keep peppers ---- didn't they save about 3m cap on that?
unless you're just talking straight cash on a delhomme signing bonus plus 17m for j-pep.
I guess they could do it, though.
if it was for peppers, I don't see why this whole thing couldn't have been done already, w/the pats shipping multiple picks to carolina, and carolina finding a trading partner to nab a top 10 pick.
if anything, the delhomme signing should make it easier to keep peppers ---- didn't they save about 3m cap on that?
unless you're just talking straight cash on a delhomme signing bonus plus 17m for j-pep.
jurb26
Footballguy
My thoughts exactly. Jenkins is a top 5 player in this draft IMO but his stock has fallen due to a sub par 40 time. IMO, NE sees that there is an opportunity to grab him in the 8-10 range and their going to jump all over it.
Boston
Footballguy
Right now the two names being speculated locally are Jenkins and Andre Smith.
? "these days?" they never did. these are real NFL teams, not a bunch of FF :( 's. they care mostly about what they see on film and in person, not some dorky "value chart."anyway I agree on Jenkins or the best DE avail. WR and RB make no sense whatsoever as they've invested there via FA and are pretty loaded.
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Boston
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I don't think RB is out of the question should they really like one. The Pats are set at RB for 2009 but after that it's wide-open (they're getting older and Maroney's not the answer). If they see someone they feel has the potential to be a special RB I could see them pulling the trigger. That being said it's not a priority and and they have bigger needs to fill but it's not out of the question.? "these days?" they never did. these are real NFL teams, not a bunch of FF
Despyzer
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I agree. Now the rumor is that they are looking to drop out of the 1st round altogether to take advantage of the pack of WR-hungry teams that will be drafting right after that pick.
Boston
Footballguy
That doesn't make too much sense unless they're trading for veterans. They already have 11 picks and there's no way 11 rookies are making this team so adding more picks seems like overkill. They're always a threat to deal for future picks but I have to believe their first priority is helping themselves for 2009.
The Pats are unpredictable on draft day. Usually they are the ones trading down constantly and picking up extra picks, so trading up surprises me. There must be a player they really like. I would say it's a defensive player, perhaps Malcolm Jenkins? It could also be Tyson Jackson.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I have a hard time believing the Pats would move up to take Jenkins and give an unproven rookie essentially the same deal they wouldn't give Asante. If he fell to their #23 spot they may have to give him some serious thought, but I don't see them packaging picks AND paying out a lot more money for a CB.
I'm guessing the Pats take a lineman on either side of the ball or a hybrid DE/OLB type. IMO, they need a pass rush more than they need a CB/S (although I suspect they will look for a S in Round 2). THey also need insurance should (when?) things don't work out past this year with Seymour, Wilfork, and Mankins.
I'm guessing the Pats take a lineman on either side of the ball or a hybrid DE/OLB type. IMO, they need a pass rush more than they need a CB/S (although I suspect they will look for a S in Round 2). THey also need insurance should (when?) things don't work out past this year with Seymour, Wilfork, and Mankins.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I'd be very surprised if it was Jenkins.
Boston
Footballguy
Totally agree...which probably means the Pats do something opposite.Unless they are really smitten by a Jenkins, Moreno, Macklin or Wells type of plasyer I see your scenario playing out. It just makes fundamental sense. Somehow, someway their pass rush has to be addressed this weekend and I'm very interested to see what they do in this area.
I clearly trust your knowledge of the patroits, but it wouldn't be the same contract Asante got. Here is what Keith Rivers got as the 9th pick last year./5/2008: Signed a six-year, $23 million contract. The deal includes $15.6 million guaranteed. Another $2 million is available through incentives. 2009: $385,000, 2010: $810,000, 2011: $1.235 million, 2012: $1.66 million, 2013: $2 million (Voidable Year), 2014: Free Agent4 Million a year isn't a bad deal for a corner back. It isn't a bad deal for any position really.
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Ron_Mexico
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Don't see it.I still think Tyson Jackson is the answer if they move up.Clay Matthews if they stay at 23.
-baller
Footballguy
??you lost me on that one.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I have heard talk of the Pats moving up to the Top 6-8. They didn't want to give Asante, a multi-time Pro Bowler, $6-8M a year. While the rookie deal would not be quite that high, by the time you consider a decent signing bonus that's still a fair amount of money for a guy that has not played a down in the NFL. I know you can say that specifically about any player at any position, but the Pats historically have not really paid much for secondary help and with the exception of the last year of Law's contract and the last season Samuel was in town have for the most part paid very little for DBs. Giving a newbie $13-15M in guarantees FOR A DB sort of goes againt the Patriots mantra. At Pick 23, IMO the numbers become more palatable but I still think they look at other positions first.
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