New IR Rule Passes in NFL (1 Viewer)

[Hoss Style]

Didn't see this posted so figured I'd toss it out. Came across this headline over at SI.com: http://sportsillustr...t2_a5&eref=sihp

A lot of times when a player goes on IR he's dropped by a Fantasy team. Now, a player might be back on the field week 8 if the injury is not too bad. For those of us in Dynasty/Keeper leagues we are used to dealing with the IR issue. Maybe this affects redraft now, as well?

Either way - I'm glad it finally passed.

 

[JoeSteeler]

mentioned here but a lot of people probably didnt see it

 

[Hoss Style]

mentioned here but a lot of people probably didnt see it

Ah, props to "Godsbrother" for finding it first. I think I missed it when searching because it was a Steeler's post.

 

[matttyl]

So without getting too technical, how is this any different than the PUP? I know you're eligible to come back after your team has played 6 games on the PUP, and now you can come back week 8 if you were on the IR.....so if your team has a bye between weeks 4 and 7, how is this any different?

 

[matttyl]

Ok, actually read the wording of the rule. The player must be on the 53 man roster to start the season, THEN be placed on IR....while the PUP is for players NOT on the 53 man roster, correct?

 

[Hey Nostradamus!]

So without getting too technical, how is this any different than the PUP? I know you're eligible to come back after your team has played 6 games on the PUP, and now you can come back week 8 if you were on the IR.....so if your team has a bye between weeks 4 and 7, how is this any different?

The key difference would be that players must begin the season/preseason on PUP to be eligible, whereas players can be put on IR at any time. An example: David DeCastro tore his MCL in preseason this year. Since he wasn't eligible for PUP, but may be able to play late in the season, the Steelers planned to carry him on the roster rather than put him on IR. Now, they can put him on IR, which frees up a roster spot for someone else, and reactivate him later if he looks ready to play.

 

[strong]

How are keeper/dynasty fantasy leagues with limited roster sizes handling this?

In a contract auction league, my league allows teams two IR spots for players placed on the actual NFL IR.

We just put it to a league vote with two options:

[*]Once a player is removed from the NFL IR, he must be removed from the fantasy IR.

[*]Once a player is legitimately placed on the fantasy IR, he must stay there for the rest of the season regardless of whether his NFL team brings him back.

Personally, I prefer Option 1, but I haven't heard back from any league mates yet.

 

[Hoss Style]

How are keeper/dynasty fantasy leagues with limited roster sizes handling this?

In a contract auction league, my league allows teams two IR spots for players placed on the actual NFL IR.

We just put it to a league vote with two options:

[*]Once a player is removed from the NFL IR, he must be removed from the fantasy IR.

[*]Once a player is legitimately placed on the fantasy IR, he must stay there for the rest of the season regardless of whether his NFL team brings him back.

Personally, I prefer Option 1, but I haven't heard back from any league mates yet.

We chose Option 1.Of course when bringing back the player who was on IR you'd have to drop a player to fit normal roster limits. So to avoid illegal lineups you'd have to bring back and drop your players before the first game of the week or after all the games are done that week.

 

[Dez]

The release on the new rules describe how this will work.

1. Only players with a "major injury" who are placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4, or thereafter during the season, will be eligible to be reactivated at a later time.

2. A "major injury" is defined as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks (42 calendar days) from the date of injury.

3. Each team may reactivate only one player placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4. That player must be "designated for return" at the time the club places him on Reserve/Injured, and such designation shall appear on that day's Personnel Notice.

4. Such player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least six weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the Active List if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve.

The part about designating a player for a return at the time he is placed on IR should be emphasized; you can't just wait and see on a player.

 

[Dez]

It would be of great help to us fantasy players if we are also notified when the team "designated for return" for the player then we know for sure he is probably coming back and if they don't "designated for return" then we know for sure he will be on IR all year this would help big time for re-draft leagues that don't use IR.

 

[Hoss Style]

The release on the new rules describe how this will work.1. Only players with a "major injury" who are placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4, or thereafter during the season, will be eligible to be reactivated at a later time.2. A "major injury" is defined as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks (42 calendar days) from the date of injury.3. Each team may reactivate only one player placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4. That player must be "designated for return" at the time the club places him on Reserve/Injured, and such designation shall appear on that day's Personnel Notice.4. Such player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least six weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the Active List if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve.The part about designating a player for a return at the time he is placed on IR should be emphasized; you can't just wait and see on a player.

Good info here.My LB, Desmond Bishop, was just put on IR a few days ago. I was wondering if he'd be coming back early. According to your rules posted above he's not since 1) he wasn't "designated for return" and 2) he was put on the IR before Sept 4th. So he won't be back. Tell me if I'm missing something here.

 

[Hoss Style]

It would be of great help to us fantasy players if we are also notified when the team "designated for return" for the player then we know for sure he is probably coming back and if they don't "designated for return" then we know for sure he will be on IR all year this would help big time for re-draft leagues that don't use IR.

According to the post above yours - the teams will be letting you know if the player should be returning or not.

 

[Dez]

It would be of great help to us fantasy players if we are also notified when the team "designated for return" for the player then we know for sure he is probably coming back and if they don't "designated for return" then we know for sure he will be on IR all year this would help big time for re-draft leagues that don't use IR.

According to the post above yours - the teams will be letting you know if the player should be returning or not.

I am not sure if they will be letting us know or just letting the NFL know.

 

[Dez]

The release on the new rules describe how this will work.1. Only players with a "major injury" who are placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4, or thereafter during the season, will be eligible to be reactivated at a later time.2. A "major injury" is defined as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks (42 calendar days) from the date of injury.3. Each team may reactivate only one player placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4. That player must be "designated for return" at the time the club places him on Reserve/Injured, and such designation shall appear on that day's Personnel Notice.4. Such player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least six weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the Active List if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve.The part about designating a player for a return at the time he is placed on IR should be emphasized; you can't just wait and see on a player.

Good info here.My LB, Desmond Bishop, was just put on IR a few days ago. I was wondering if he'd be coming back early. According to your rules posted above he's not since 1) he wasn't "designated for return" and 2) he was put on the IR before Sept 4th. So he won't be back. Tell me if I'm missing something here.

I did hear something that for this year there would be an exception to this Sept 4th rule for any guy already placed on IR because the teams did not know at that time this rule was going to be passed.http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/45571/take-two-desmond-bishop-could-be-eligibleThe NFL will indeed have a new rule that allows one player from each team to be activated from injured reserve during the season, provided he is first part of the team's initial 53-man roster. But as part of its formal press release announcing the move, the league said there will be a one-time exception in 2012 for players who have already been placed on injured reserve this summer. If a team wants one of those players to be eligible for in-season activation, he can be added back to the 53-man roster by Friday. That player could then be returned to injured reserve after next Tuesday to receive the designation that allows him to be activated later. (Don't bother trying to diagram that sentence.) Sooooo, that means two NFC North players who already are on injured reserve could in fact be eligible to play later this season -- if their teams add them back to the active roster by Friday. That list includes Green Bay Packers linebacker Desmond Bishop (hamstring) and Chicago Bears safety Brandon Hardin (neck).

 

[Shutout]

The release on the new rules describe how this will work.1. Only players with a "major injury" who are placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4, or thereafter during the season, will be eligible to be reactivated at a later time.2. A "major injury" is defined as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks (42 calendar days) from the date of injury.3. Each team may reactivate only one player placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4. That player must be "designated for return" at the time the club places him on Reserve/Injured, and such designation shall appear on that day's Personnel Notice.4. Such player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least six weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the Active List if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve.The part about designating a player for a return at the time he is placed on IR should be emphasized; you can't just wait and see on a player.

Good info here.My LB, Desmond Bishop, was just put on IR a few days ago. I was wondering if he'd be coming back early. According to your rules posted above he's not since 1) he wasn't "designated for return" and 2) he was put on the IR before Sept 4th. So he won't be back. Tell me if I'm missing something here.

That is correct. In future years, that date will probably be moved up but since this was an "on the fly" implementation, its this late THIS year and there is supposed to be an exemption coming for this year.Overall, in FF, I think our leagues will keep it simple. If a player goes to IR, then you can IR him. If he comes back, you can bring him back while ensuring that there are no illegal rosters (having that extra player available).I really don't think tis changes much unless it happens very early in the year AND its a quirky injury. The rules read as if you can't play for a minimum of 8 weeks after the time being placed. So, for anything that happens in Week 8 of the NFL and beyond, its irrelevant because our fantasy season is over. So it has to happen in the first 7 weeks. So, if something happens in a Week 7 game and they IR him immediately, then you could get him back in your Week 16 title game. Ok, so if you are not a playoff team, then basically you need this player to go IR by Week 5 or its irrelevant to you because you arent in the playoffs. So its a very small window and if its the typical ACL, torn Pecs, type injuries, they arent' coming back.I really see this as a designation useful for concussions and broken ankles and Hamstrings. But its gotta happen early in the year or it wont matter to your team.

 

[Hoss Style]

The release on the new rules describe how this will work.

1. Only players with a "major injury" who are placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4, or thereafter during the season, will be eligible to be reactivated at a later time.

2. A "major injury" is defined as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks (42 calendar days) from the date of injury.

3. Each team may reactivate only one player placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4. That player must be "designated for return" at the time the club places him on Reserve/Injured, and such designation shall appear on that day's Personnel Notice.

4. Such player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least six weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the Active List if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve.

The part about designating a player for a return at the time he is placed on IR should be emphasized; you can't just wait and see on a player.

Good info here.My LB, Desmond Bishop, was just put on IR a few days ago. I was wondering if he'd be coming back early. According to your rules posted above he's not since 1) he wasn't "designated for return" and 2) he was put on the IR before Sept 4th. So he won't be back. Tell me if I'm missing something here.

I did hear something that for this year there would be an exception to this Sept 4th rule for any guy already placed on IR because the teams did not know at that time this rule was going to be passed.So it sounds like GB will still have the option but I think they would maybe need to have Bishop count as part of the 53 man roster then "designated for return".

http://espn.go.com/b...uld-be-eligible

The NFL will indeed have a new rule that allows one player from each team to be activated from injured reserve during the season, provided he is first part of the team's initial 53-man roster. But as part of its formal press release announcing the move, the league said there will be a one-time exception in 2012 for players who have already been placed on injured reserve this summer.

If a team wants one of those players to be eligible for in-season activation, he can be added back to the 53-man roster by Friday. That player could then be returned to injured reserve after next Tuesday to receive the designation that allows him to be activated later. (Don't bother trying to diagram that sentence.)

Sooooo, that means two NFC North players who already are on injured reserve could in fact be eligible to play later this season -- if their teams add them back to the active roster by Friday. That list includes Green Bay Packers linebacker Desmond Bishop (hamstring) and Chicago Bears safety Brandon Hardin (neck).

Thanks for the heads up. Bishop's on the official 53 man roster (as far as I know). I'll keep an eye out if they designate him for the early return option.The NFL seems to be pretty good about putting "official" injury designations out for the public. As long as the team has to inform the NFL about it I'd bet the NFL will have it be released on the public injury reports. At least I hope.

 

[Dez]

Bishop was placed on IR and the official 53 man rosters have not yet been established so he not on the 53 man roster as of yet since he is currently on IR. Bishop would been to be taken off IR and placed on 53 man roster to be eligible then placed back on IR after Sept 4th. This is how I read it.

 

[Hoss Style]

Ah, Shutout...

*Edited*

Looks like you edited your post while I was responding. Got me!

 

[Hoss Style]

Bishop was placed on IR and the official 53 man rosters have not yet been established so he not on the 53 man roster as of yet since he is currently on IR. Bishop would been to be taken off IR and placed on 53 man roster to be eligible then placed back on IR after Sept 4th. This is how I read it.

Makes sense. I'll be watching.

 

[Shutout]

Ah, Shutout...*Edited*Looks like you edited your post while I was responding. Got me!

yeah, I couldn't find the exemption part in print but saw that someone had a link.

 

[matttyl]

Bishop was placed on IR and the official 53 man rosters have not yet been established so he not on the 53 man roster as of yet since he is currently on IR. Bishop would been to be taken off IR and placed on 53 man roster to be eligible then placed back on IR after Sept 4th. This is how I read it.

Makes sense. I'll be watching.

That's how I see it as well...but that still doesn't mean that Bishop WILL be back this season. I still haven't seen a lot of info on his injury, but I have picked up DJ Smith in IDP leagues. This rule, and it's implementation will affect both of those players quite a bit.