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I feel pretty certain that Coles and Vilma will get you NOWHERE NEAR the #2. Unless you are counting on the idiocy that is Matt Millen.High draft picks are valued too much to trade the #2 pick for a better than average WR going into his 8th year and a very good LB going into his fifth.
I agree. They should sit tight and get a RB with their second rounder. Maybe M. Bush or Irons will be available.
I think it's too early to say what Mangini's defense actually is. It takes 2, 3 even 4 years to really get a defense the way you want it. Last year was nearly all 3-4, but I suspect we'll see more fronts added this year. I also think that Kimo, Robertson and Ellis are not the best line for engaging linemen. If the Jets had a run-stuffing NT who allowed Robertson to play end, I think the LBs would have an easier time flowing to the ball. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Vilma freelanced a bit more and played in other slots.
I don't see that NT coming to the Jets in the near future. On one hand, you say they don't have any D linemeen suited to the 3-4, and the Jets ran the 3-4 almost exclusivley last year, but you expect to see more defensive fronts next year? You sound like Mangini! LOL, just kidding, but he was always talking about switching it up, and never did, despite the fact that the front 3 aren't good in the scheme, and neither is Vilma. The playmaker position at ILB in that defense is the other side, where Barton starts. I'll say it again, in the 3-4, Vilma should be on the outside, Hobson on the inside. Vilma CAN be a playmaker again, but not where he is starting now. With Mangini's lack of flexability in always running the 3-4 (despite his coach speak) Vilma IS trade bait. That Jets defense last year ran more 3-4 than any other team I got a chance to see. BT NEVER had a hand in the dirt. Now, if they move Vilma outside.... then you'll see him start making game changing plays again. He can read plays, he can cause fumbles, he can take INT's to the house, he can get to the QB. Mangini says he;s flexable, but talk is cheap. The guy is a dyed in the wool 3-4 coach, end of story..... and he's playng Vilma out of position.
In 2003 Larry Johnson went #27. In 2004 Bob Sanders and Michael Boulware went in the mid-early 2nd round. In 2005 Lofa Tatupu went in the early 2nd. In 2006 Nick Mangold and Joe Addai went at the end of the 1st. There are good players available at pick #26. You just have to draft well.
As a Skins fan, I would love this.
You don't seen an NT coming to the Jets? Why not? At the very least, Sione Pouha will be back, but why do you think the Jets will ignore the position?I think you have very odd ideas about the defense. Its true that Vilma most played to shut down the backside cutback in the defense, but you're wrong that it's not a playmaker position in the defense. It can be, so long as the defense is there at the point of attack. The whole concept of a 3-4 is that you use D-lineman to force the back to choose either the inside or outside lane, and then fill with a 'backer. If your D-lineman doesn't force a choice by the back b/c he is pinned to one side of the play or the other, the safety is going to wind up making a tackle after a 5-8 yard gain. That's what happened a lot last year, and it reduced Vilma's impact, though not his effectiveness - he still led the team in tackles.I think that your assumption that Mangini will only play 3-4 is also unfounded. For one, BT had his hand in the dirt plenty. I didn't chart the plays, but I watched every snap last year. Second, I'd expect that a new guy will unfold new wrinkles each year. The Jets spent last year learning to play 3-4. They'll spend this year learning how to play defense. I don't know why you think Mangini is dyed-in-the-wool 3-4 when his last job had him in a hybrid set.Rovers said:
I think it's a no brainer, personally. You get a bonafide NFL starter, with only 3 years on him. AND, a late first round pick. Personally, I think it's a bad trade for the Jets, so as a NE fan, I think they should do it. I don't think Peterson or Johnson are worth it. MOve just Vilma to move to the middle of the round? NE got a late first rounder for Deion Branch. I think Vilma is just as valuable a player, just as young. Sure fire NFL Starters of that caliber are worth a first round pick to teams that need to fill the position. It's just like a draft pick to them, only a better bet, because you already know the guy can play in the NFL. Not only play, but excel. If you're going to play the 3-4, you don't want Vilma, but the 4-3, he's your guy. Give up a first rounder for him. I'd make the move.
