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Hey question - we are on a road trip and staying in NYC for 3 days. At 54th and park in midtown.
So we have a car. Do we park it at Newark or JFK and taxi in (250 bucks round trip after paying taxi) or do I risk driving it to the apartment we are stating at and paying for parking up the street from the apartment? We don't need the car until we leave again.
Thoughts? Comments?
So we have a car. Do we park it at Newark or JFK and taxi in (250 bucks round trip after paying taxi) or do I risk driving it to the apartment we are stating at and paying for parking up the street from the apartment? We don't need the car until we leave again.
Thoughts? Comments?
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Agree - park it in a lot.
Go to http://nyc.bestparking.com/ (there is an app too) to get prices of neighboring lots - they vary pretty widely. Agree on parking east of 3rd - that's where the best deals will be.
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bestparking.com
Just type in the address and you'll find the cheapest parking in the neighborhood. Use it every time I will be parking in a lot.
Just type in the address and you'll find the cheapest parking in the neighborhood. Use it every time I will be parking in a lot.
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Don't be an idiot, and you'll be fine. Just don't make a right on red (illegal) and look out for idiot and non-idiot cyclists.
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Welcome-So we drove it and the ####ing iPhone app drove us RIGHT THROUGH TImes Square.At least part of it.
We survived but it was a bit harrowing.
Smiles, everyone... smiles!
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LolWelcome-So we drove it and the ####ing iPhone app drove us RIGHT THROUGH TImes Square.
We survived but it was a bit harrowing.
Smiles, everyone... smiles!
Stoked to be here. Trying out Il Tinello tonight.
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looks great- never been.LolWelcome-So we drove it and the ####ing iPhone app drove us RIGHT THROUGH TImes Square.
We survived but it was a bit harrowing.
Smiles, everyone... smiles!
Stoked to be here. Trying out Il Tinello tonight.
sucks about the rain we're supposed to get- but lots of good indoors stuff to keep you busy.
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The locals know that the short cut is to drive through the Pedestrian MallSo we drove it and the ####ing iPhone app drove us RIGHT THROUGH TImes Square.
We survived but it was a bit harrowing.
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Tomorrow will be warm and humid albeit cloudy.looks great- never been.LolStoked to be here. Trying out Il Tinello tonight.Welcome-So we drove it and the ####ing iPhone app drove us RIGHT THROUGH TImes Square.
We survived but it was a bit harrowing.
Smiles, everyone... smiles!
sucks about the rain we're supposed to get- but lots of good indoors stuff to keep you busy.
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Yea we were supposed to do Statue of Liberty on Thursday (#tourist) but may have to bail.looks great- never been.LolStoked to be here. Trying out Il Tinello tonight.Welcome-So we drove it and the ####ing iPhone app drove us RIGHT THROUGH TImes Square.
We survived but it was a bit harrowing.
Smiles, everyone... smiles!
sucks about the rain we're supposed to get- but lots of good indoors stuff to keep you busy.
Il Tinello was incredible. Seemed a bit overpriced but I imagine that's the location it's in. I am sure there are 15,000 similar great Italian places everywhere here.
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I have never once given that a thought.
from the WSJ in 2011:
Monawara Sultana says her rent is going up: $14,000 for a two-year permit to run a food cart where she sells $1 hot dogs outside of Montefiore Medical Center in the Bronx.
New York City's competitive street-food culture has created a thriving black market for permits, which are in short supply across the five boroughs. WSJ's Hilke Schellmann reports.
And it's not the city levying the increase or recouping the money. It's the permit holder, who is asking for double what she previously paid, according to Ms. Sultana. "It's not fair," said the Bangladeshi immigrant and mother of three. "Why did it go up so much?"
The city's competitive street food culture has created a thriving black market for mobile food vending permits issued by the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. The city charges a mere $200 for most food-cart permits, which must be paid every two years when they are renewed. But it only issues 3,100 year-round permits plus an additional 1,000 seasonal permits—not enough to satisfy demand. Transferring or renting these permits to another vendor is illegal but everyone, including the city's Health Department, acknowledges, that it happens.
Two years ago, the city's Department of Investigation did an undercover probe of improper permit transfers, which led to six arrests. The department recommended, among other things, that the Health Department move to a competitive sealed-bidding process to help "eliminate the criminal conduct found in the investigation."
Elliott Marcus, an associate health commissioner, said the black market was a source of "big concern." Still, in a statement, the Department of Health noted: "While the Health Department suspects that in some instances permits are being transferred illegally, it is extremely difficult to prove an illegal sale in a particular case because the law does allow a permit holder to employ other licensed vendors to work his or her cart." To help remedy that, the department will soon propose changes requiring that permit holders appear when renewing permits and carts are re-inspected every two years.
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Monawara Sultana faces soaring costs for her food-cart permit. Rob Bennett for The Wall Street Journal
Meanwhile, demand for permits and their black-market prices continue to climb as street food's popularity soars with blogs like Midtown Lunch chronicling vendors' moves and some gourmet food trucks developing cult-like followings. Some permits fetch as much as $20,000 for two years, vendors say. In the case of Ms. Sultana, the Bronx food vendor, she says the permit holder told her someone else was willing to pay $15,000 for the permit she previously paid $7,000 for two years ago.
Mohammed Rahman, who has operated the popular Kwik Meal cart in midtown for 11 years, says he pays $15,000 every two years for his permit. "The city charges only $200, why should I have to pay $15,000? All the profits go to someone else."
Obtaining a food cart or truck permit in one's own name can take a decade or more, according to vendors. There are 2,080 people currently on the citywide waiting list for a two-year permit. The list is compiled of license holders and it's not uncommon for families to get licenses for every member of their family—even if they don't work at a cart—to increase their chances of obtaining a permit.
The Health Department has distributed 292 year-round permits for food carts since June 2007 through a lottery system, forcing many new carts and trucks to navigate their way through brokers and middlemen who sell the permits, or the permit holders themselves, most of whom are retired vendors. According to a list of permit holders from the Health Department, some live as far away as South Carolina, Texas and Arizona.
Sean Basinski, director of the Street Vendor Project, an advocacy group that is part of the Urban Justice Center, estimates that 60% or more of vendors rent their permits. "There's no sign that the Department of Health is willing to do anything about this," he said. "This is about economic justice within the vendor community between former vendors and current vendors." He supports issuing more permits.
The Department of Investigation probe two years ago concluded that more than 500 permit holders may have sold their permits illegally and evidence was sent to the Department of Health for appropriate administrative action, such as permit revocation. Four of the six individuals arrested as a result of the investigation pleaded guilty; one was sentenced to jail time when he was already incarcerated for an unrelated crime. According to the Department of Health, no permits were revoked as a result of the investigation, though two were voluntarily surrendered, and 156 permits weren't renewed. The Department of Health and Department of Investigation said they are reviewing the remaining cases.
Some in the business industry say the popularity of street food could reap the city big money if it put food permits up for auction like taxi medallions, an idea one man is currently pitching to city officials. "This is a no-brainer for the city," said Andrew Murstein, president of Medallion Financial Corp., the largest taxi medallion lender. He notes that the first medallions were issued in 1937 for $10 apiece. Their prices have risen ever since, and one recently sold for $900,000.
The city's Parks and Recreation Department awards permits for the couple hundred mobile food units on its property—including highly coveted spots fronting the Metropolitan Museum of Art and Museum of Natural History— through a competitive solicitation process. In fiscal year 2010 the highest amount paid for a permit was about $144,000 for a cart at the south entrance to the Central Park Zoo.
Not everyone believes the permit system needs to change. Adam Mizrahi's family holds the permit to Moshe's Falafel cart in midtown. He acknowledges he's one of the lucky ones. "Most of the people rent," he said.
But Mr. Mizrahi sees no need for change. "It's a good price, $800 a month," he said, his estimation of what monthly rent costs on the black market. "It's like 40 years ago, paying rent."
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Hit up Ippudo for Ramen, walk it off, then hit up Katz' for thick cut Pastrami and you might not live to tell about it either way. But it's a wonderful way to go.
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Katz sounds great but we are concluding our trip this evening with the Strip House.
If the pastrami at Katz is better than Carnegie than I'll have to make plans on the next trip, but that seems unbelievable. That sandwich was so good I wanted to marry it.
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Different. I'd say Katz' is the consensus pick as "best pastrami in NYC" but it's thick cut, not traditional thinner cut. IIRC, Carnegie is thin cut.
I used to go to Carnegie whenever my pops was in town for a concert (at Cargegie fwiw)... great memories. It's also open until like 3 or 4 am, which surprised me. Went for the first time in years with the wifey on a night in town when we were staying by the park and nothing else (other than McDonalds) was open.
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I believe Stage closed down a number of years back. Carnegie's claim to fame is sitting at tables with strangers (they are like long tables so sometimes they will put a two and a four next to each other), very "New Yawk-ie" wait staff and redonkulously huge sammiches.
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Excellent choice
One of my faves, midtown or 12th st?Great creamed spinach, goose fat potatoes, obviously the bone in strip... Save room for the 24 layer cake, #### is so ####### delicious!!
The raw stuff in the seafood plate is very good. Also highly recommend the bacon app.
The Katz/Carnegie debate can go on forever. Personally I prefer Katz, but both are excellent choices and you can't go wrong with either.
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12th which is dumb because we are staying in midtown. I had read that 12th has a more traditional feel, etc.Excellent choice
Great creamed spinach, goose fat potatoes, obviously the bone in strip... Save room for the 24 layer cake, #### is so ####### delicious!!
The raw stuff in the seafood plate is very good. Also highly recommend the bacon app.
The Katz/Carnegie debate can go on forever. Personally I prefer Katz, but both are excellent choices and you can't go wrong with either.
Definitely doing bacon and the layer cake. I assume I will do the bone in strip but the menu may make me think twice.
It may have been you who recommended this to me a while back in one of these threads fwiw. I was going to go with Smith and Wollensky. Preemptive thanks if so.
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Strip is definitely a better experience IMO. A bit different from your traditional all male type steak house whereas S&W, imo, is one of the weaker options of the "traditional" places.12th which is dumb because we are staying in midtown. I had read that 12th has a more traditional feel, etc.Excellent choice
Great creamed spinach, goose fat potatoes, obviously the bone in strip... Save room for the 24 layer cake, #### is so ####### delicious!!
The raw stuff in the seafood plate is very good. Also highly recommend the bacon app.
The Katz/Carnegie debate can go on forever. Personally I prefer Katz, but both are excellent choices and you can't go wrong with either.
Definitely doing bacon and the layer cake. I assume I will do the bone in strip but the menu may make me think twice.
It may have been you who recommended this to me a while back in one of these threads fwiw. I was going to go with Smith and Wollensky. Preemptive thanks if so.
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Agree with Koya 100% about S&W.
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So jealous!! Such a good, filling, delicious meal... Bacon too?
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Oh for sure. I wanted to do the goose fat potatoes but the wife hates rosemary and the server said it's heavy on that. Oh well. The fingerlings were super.
I had the 20-oz bone-in and it was great. They add a nice flavor to the exterior.
What a meal. Damn.
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Really is a top notch meal.
Never had the fingerling potatoes, I gotta give those a try.
Never had the fingerling potatoes, I gotta give those a try.
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Heavy on the smoke flavor, which I'm into because I pretty much smoke things weekly.
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The longer you wait on a subway platform in the morning, the more crowded a train will be - Captain Obvious
Anyways, after standing at the platform for about 8-9 minutes this morning, the train comes and I made the same mistake I've made at least 10 times and will prob make 100 times in the future. The doors are all very crowded and people are all shoving to get in, I look over and two doors down it looks very uncrowded... Immediate thought; "SWEEEET, NOBODY ELSE NOTICED THIS EMPTY SECTION OF THE TRAIN"....I jog on over, get in as the doors are shutting, and the obvious hits me...
Anyways, after standing at the platform for about 8-9 minutes this morning, the train comes and I made the same mistake I've made at least 10 times and will prob make 100 times in the future. The doors are all very crowded and people are all shoving to get in, I look over and two doors down it looks very uncrowded... Immediate thought; "SWEEEET, NOBODY ELSE NOTICED THIS EMPTY SECTION OF THE TRAIN"....I jog on over, get in as the doors are shutting, and the obvious hits me...
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Thanks. I really really enjoyed broadway. My wife wanted to see Matilda and I wanted to see a show so we super splurged on great seats for that. Theatre was incredible and the show was terrific. I was surprised to find out how close Times Square and Broadway are. You think of one as a strip of huckster carnies and the other as this quiet evening out for the social elite......and then you walk up and see a flashing neon GUY FIERI restaurant sign 5 feet in front of your 100-year-old building.
Also, naturally Central Park. Could have spent all week there. Stunning.
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