Next Ravens QB (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

From the Baltimore SunA lot of things can and will change in the coming months, but early indications point to Kerry Collins being the perfect fit to become the Ravens' starting quarterback in 2006. Of course, he's still under contract with the Raiders, but it's unlikely that the Raiders will pay him his scheduled $2.5 million roster bonus this year as well as his $6 million base salary. Collins is expected to make $8.5 million during each of the next three seasons. Here's another factor: Collins was the quarterback of the New York Giants from 1999 to 2003 and has a comfort zone with former Giants coach Jim Fassel, who is the Ravens' offensive coordinator.

 

[Family Matters]

From the Baltimore Sun

A lot of things can and will change in the coming months, but early indications point to Kerry Collins being the perfect fit to become the Ravens' starting quarterback in 2006. Of course, he's still under contract with the Raiders, but it's unlikely that the Raiders will pay him his scheduled $2.5 million roster bonus this year as well as his $6 million base salary. Collins is expected to make $8.5 million during each of the next three seasons. Here's another factor: Collins was the quarterback of the New York Giants from 1999 to 2003 and has a comfort zone with former Giants coach Jim Fassel, who is the Ravens' offensive coordinator.

Sounds like an opinion someone formed reaching for a story. Wasn't Fassel there last year? And yet Collins wasn't. So wahy now? As for Oakland, contract can be renegotiated. Everyone knew he would never recieve those payments when they did the contract, including Collins and the Raiders. So it was wriiten to be renegotiated at the beginning. Nothing new here.Two things can happen. Oak and Collins can agree to a new contract or Collins will become a free agent.

One thing I feel strongly about, Collins is too good to not be starting somewhere next year.

 

[roadkill1292]

Yes, I also believe that this was entirely speculative as Preston is not known for digging deep for info or for having good sources in the pro football community.And, even if it turns out to be true, doesn't this have the smell of Elvis Grbac all over it?

 

[diesel7982]

From the Baltimore Sun

A lot of things can and will change in the coming months, but early indications point to Kerry Collins being the perfect fit to become the Ravens' starting quarterback in 2006. Of course, he's still under contract with the Raiders, but it's unlikely that the Raiders will pay him his scheduled $2.5 million roster bonus this year as well as his $6 million base salary. Collins is expected to make $8.5 million during each of the next three seasons. Here's another factor: Collins was the quarterback of the New York Giants from 1999 to 2003 and has a comfort zone with former Giants coach Jim Fassel, who is the Ravens' offensive coordinator.

Sounds like an opinion someone formed reaching for a story. Wasn't Fassel there last year? And yet Collins wasn't. So wahy now? As for Oakland, contract can be renegotiated. Everyone knew he would never recieve those payments when they did the contract, including Collins and the Raiders. So it was wriiten to be renegotiated at the beginning. Nothing new here.Two things can happen. Oak and Collins can agree to a new contract or Collins will become a free agent.

One thing I feel strongly about, Collins is too good to not be starting somewhere next year.

Collins was under contract last year.This year, he will not be.

It depends on who their new HC is, but theres very little likelyhood of Collins being retained.

 

[Family Matters]

From the Baltimore Sun

A lot of things can and will change in the coming months, but early indications point to Kerry Collins being the perfect fit to become the Ravens' starting quarterback in 2006. Of course, he's still under contract with the Raiders, but it's unlikely that the Raiders will pay him his scheduled $2.5 million roster bonus this year as well as his $6 million base salary. Collins is expected to make $8.5 million during each of the next three seasons. Here's another factor: Collins was the quarterback of the New York Giants from 1999 to 2003 and has a comfort zone with former Giants coach Jim Fassel, who is the Ravens' offensive coordinator.

Sounds like an opinion someone formed reaching for a story. Wasn't Fassel there last year? And yet Collins wasn't. So wahy now? As for Oakland, contract can be renegotiated. Everyone knew he would never recieve those payments when they did the contract, including Collins and the Raiders. So it was wriiten to be renegotiated at the beginning. Nothing new here.Two things can happen. Oak and Collins can agree to a new contract or Collins will become a free agent.

One thing I feel strongly about, Collins is too good to not be starting somewhere next year.

Collins was under contract last year.This year, he will not be.

It depends on who their new HC is, but theres very little likelyhood of Collins being retained.

I'm not so sure he'll be gone. IIRC-one of things that upset Davis was when Turner benched Collins, as Davis likes Collins and his big arm. And that was the straw that broke the camel's (Turner's) back and got him fired. If that's true then I expect Collins could be with a new deal next and under center for Oak.I'm not saying it's going to play out that way but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it either. It's not like they any other option going right now. There are no FA's that are any better than Collins. Drafting a guy and letting Collins groom him is kinda what they had in mind in the first place. So maybe that still happens.

But I do feel Collins is too good not to be a starter somewhere next year.

 

[Bri]

If Fassel leaves, I wonder if they'd still be interested in Collins.

 

[Garrett]

One thing I feel strongly about, Collins is too good to not be starting somewhere next year.

Are we talking CFL or NFL?

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Collins is cleaning up in signing bonuses the past few years.

He's not doing too bad for a QB that's never thrown for more than 23 TDs in a season.

 

[Family Matters]

If Fassel leaves, I wonder if they'd still be interested in Collins.

What if Fassel goes to Oak as has been suggested? Would he want Collins?

 

[Family Matters]

One thing I feel strongly about, Collins is too good to not be starting somewhere next year.

Are we talking CFL or NFL?

Arena?

 

[SoloMatisse]

Two things can happen here for Baltimore....1, they can pick up Kerry Collins as their starting QB. 2, they can LOSE ALOT OF GAMES with Kerry Collins as their starting QB. Why is anyone seriously thinking this guy is a starter on a WINNING team??? Baltimore CAN and WILL do alot better than Kerry Collins this offseason....including keeping Kyle Boller and hoping for the best with him.

 

[diesel7982]

Two things can happen here for Baltimore....1, they can pick up Kerry Collins as their starting QB. 2, they can LOSE ALOT OF GAMES with Kerry Collins as their starting QB. Why is anyone seriously thinking this guy is a starter on a WINNING team??? Baltimore CAN and WILL do alot better than Kerry Collins this offseason....including keeping Kyle Boller and hoping for the best with him.

SERIOUSLY This guy is NEVER taking a team to the Super Bowl.

 

[Bri]

This guy is NEVER taking a team to the Super Bowl.

 

[-OZ-]

This guy is NEVER taking a team to the Super Bowl.

It's funny. People talk about Trent Dilfer winning the Super Bowl, but forget who the opposing QB was.Then again, 4 INTs will do that.

 

[Odogs]

Kerry Collins' best days, which were never really that great, are behind him. As a Steeler fan, I hope the Ravens sign him to a nice long contract.

 

[Bri]

This guy is NEVER taking a team to the Super Bowl.

It's funny. People talk about Trent Dilfer winning the Super Bowl, but forget who the opposing QB was.Then again, 4 INTs will do that.

He's already taken an expansion team further than anyone expected and taken a wildcard team further than anyone expected. That's gotta be worth something. What, I don't know but to say NEVER seems far too extreme. I would think he's earned a fair shake in most fans' opinions with those two teams. Obviously you don't think so but.....

 

[CalBear]

I don't think there's any reason to believe that Kerry Collins will be better than Kyle Boller in 2006. Collins wasn't noticably better in 2005, despite having better offensive weapons and a terrible defense, and Boller was clearly better at the end of the season, both statistically and in terms of leading his team to wins. (The Raiders lost their last six, and eight of their last nine, while Baltimore was 4-4 after Boller returned, including wins over Pittsburgh and Minnesota).

 

[Family Matters]

This guy is NEVER taking a team to the Super Bowl.

It's funny. People talk about Trent Dilfer winning the Super Bowl, but forget who the opposing QB was.Then again, 4 INTs will do that.

He's already taken an expansion team further than anyone expected and taken a wildcard team further than anyone expected. That's gotta be worth something. What, I don't know but to say NEVER seems far too extreme. I would think he's earned a fair shake in most fans' opinions with those two teams. Obviously you don't think so but.....

Good point Bri. People tend to see what they want. Now just to clarufy, I am no Collins fan. But to suggest he's as bad as some posters are making out to be just doesn't hold water. Collins has had some success.As for the Boller comparison, pleeeeease. You can't be serious! Anyone that's going to allow 2-3 games of 1 season to be Boller's benchmark and take Collins worse games and then compare the two? Talk about selective observation. Nothing like finding a way to make your case. I would take Collins any day over Boller. Anyday! And I'm not a Collins fan at all.

 

[nygiants56]

Two things can happen here for Baltimore....1, they can pick up Kerry Collins as their starting QB.  2, they can LOSE ALOT OF GAMES with Kerry Collins as their starting QB.  Why is anyone seriously thinking this guy is a starter on a WINNING team???  Baltimore CAN and WILL do alot better than Kerry Collins this offseason....including keeping Kyle Boller and hoping for the best with him.

SERIOUSLY This guy is NEVER taking a team to the Super Bowl.

what??! try 2000, Gaints-Ravens SB. I guess you mean NEVER in the sense of NEVER happening AGAIN..I can see that point to a degree..he might never take another team to the SB...but, he took the Gmen to the show in 2000, spanked Minnesota in the championship game, too..

what did he throw in that game, 4 td passes in the first half or something ridiculous like that?

I'm just not so sure to call Boller the real deal yet..the one thing you can do with Collins is have some stability at the QB position..the Ravens couldn't throw more than 5 yard passes with Boller, they had to keep the training wheels on him just so that he doesn't implode..

A rock solid defense is Collins' best friend..

what a good defense can do for Collins is it can make up for his mistakes by stopping the opposition after an untimely turnover, but it also allows the offense to be more open, to take more shots downfield..

I'd bet in terms of the number offensive possessions and time of possession, the Raiders would rank at or near the bottom of the NFL..opponents could run the ball at will against the weak Raiders defense, they never made a stand, and Collins hardly ever had time to work with..I'd bet nearly all the Raider games were played with them trailing and having to throw too often.

Collins is not the best QB out there, but i'm not so sure that Kyle Boller is, either..

Neither is Kurt Warner, Kitna, Harrington ( is he a F/a?), Carr, etc..Garrard maybe..Shaub maybe...but these are the OTHER possible replacements for the Ravens QB position..pick your poison..

 

[babydemon90]

I thought Boller showed some progression the end of last year....Plus, come on , what is he, like 24 or something? If you're giving up on that young of a QB who is showing improvement there's a problem.

 

[CalBear]

As for the Boller comparison, pleeeeease. You can't be serious! Anyone that's going to allow 2-3 games of 1 season to be Boller's benchmark and take Collins worse games and then compare the two? Talk about selective observation. Nothing like finding a way to make your case. I would take Collins any day over Boller. Anyday! And I'm not a Collins fan at all.

Here are the stats from the last half of 2005--from when Boller returned from injury:Boller: 57.8% completions, 6.1 yards per attempt, 11 TD, 11 INT, 4-4 record

Collins: 51.6% completions, 5.8 yards per attempt, 10 TD, 10 INT, 1-6 record

That's half a season where Boller clearly outperformed Collins. And furthermore, it's the more recent half season in the development of a young QB; Boller has now started 34 games in his career, just over two years' worth. He still has maturation to do, but it is entirely reasonable to expect that his 2006 numbers will be better than 2005, while Collins appears to be trending in the opposite direction. Collins is going to be 34 this year; why would you expect improvement at this stage of his career? Boller will be 25.

 

[Odogs]

As for the Boller comparison, pleeeeease. You can't be serious! Anyone that's going to allow 2-3 games of 1 season to be Boller's benchmark and take Collins worse games and then compare the two? Talk about selective observation. Nothing like finding a way to make your case. I would take Collins any day over Boller. Anyday! And I'm not a Collins fan at all.

Here are the stats from the last half of 2005--from when Boller returned from injury:Boller: 57.8% completions, 6.1 yards per attempt, 11 TD, 11 INT, 4-4 record

Collins: 51.6% completions, 5.8 yards per attempt, 10 TD, 10 INT, 1-6 record

That's half a season where Boller clearly outperformed Collins. And furthermore, it's the more recent half season in the development of a young QB; Boller has now started 34 games in his career, just over two years' worth. He still has maturation to do, but it is entirely reasonable to expect that his 2006 numbers will be better than 2005, while Collins appears to be trending in the opposite direction. Collins is going to be 34 this year; why would you expect improvement at this stage of his career? Boller will be 25.

Exactly, Collins is on the decline. If the only choices the Ravens have are Collins or Boller, I would much rather take my chances with Boller.

 

[Bri]

As for the Boller comparison, pleeeeease. You can't be serious! Anyone that's going to allow 2-3 games of 1 season to be Boller's benchmark and take Collins worse games and then compare the two? Talk about selective observation. Nothing like finding a way to make your case. I would take Collins any day over Boller. Anyday! And I'm not a Collins fan at all.

Here are the stats from the last half of 2005--from when Boller returned from injury:Boller: 57.8% completions, 6.1 yards per attempt, 11 TD, 11 INT, 4-4 record

Collins: 51.6% completions, 5.8 yards per attempt, 10 TD, 10 INT, 1-6 record

That's half a season where Boller clearly outperformed Collins. And furthermore, it's the more recent half season in the development of a young QB; Boller has now started 34 games in his career, just over two years' worth. He still has maturation to do, but it is entirely reasonable to expect that his 2006 numbers will be better than 2005, while Collins appears to be trending in the opposite direction. Collins is going to be 34 this year; why would you expect improvement at this stage of his career? Boller will be 25.

Boller has been maturing and "gonna be better next year" for a long time. I mean how many times have you heard that? Some were mildly surprised Billick kept his job after their record in 05. He won a supe with them but his regular season record hasn't been all that great. Anyhow, how can Billick NOT sign someone else at QB?The original article is a page or two and Mike Preston points out some things about Kerry. Most of all his point seems to be that he's someone that could give Boller a "run for his money" in training camp and that he's a vet Billick could have confidence in if he needed to play. I can't recall him having that since Randall retired.

I don't think there's any debate here that Collins is better than Wright. I think Boller needs to be pushed in TC. I think Collins, being a veteran, may have a trick or two he could teach the youngster in camp.

Calbear, 34 doesn't seem old to me for a QB that doesn't seem to be getting worse. I know Gannon defied everything so lets ignore his age and when he played best. Is 34 really that old for a QB?

 

[CalBear]

Boller has been maturing and "gonna be better next year" for a long time. I mean how many times have you heard that?

Twice.Rookie year: 51.8% completions, 5.6 yards per attempt, 7 TD (11 games)

Second year: 55.6% completions, 5.5 yards per attempt, 13 TD (16 games)

Third year: 58.4% completions, 6.1 yards per attempt, 11 TD (9 games)

So, not only have we heard that he would improve, he actually has improved each year.

 

[Bri]

Exactly, Collins is on the decline.

Why do you say that? his last 3 years are 3100, 3400, and 3700 yards. If anything he's doing better.

His TD to INT ratio is better

Oh I see his completion percentage is down a smidge but he went from 56% to 53%. I'm willing to blow the 3 percentage points off due to the Raiders WR injuries.

 

[Family Matters]

As for the Boller comparison, pleeeeease. You can't be serious! Anyone that's going to allow 2-3 games of 1 season to be Boller's benchmark and take Collins worse games and then compare the two? Talk about selective observation. Nothing like finding a way to make your case. I would take Collins any day over Boller. Anyday! And I'm not a Collins fan at all.

Here are the stats from the last half of 2005--from when Boller returned from injury:Boller: 57.8% completions, 6.1 yards per attempt, 11 TD, 11 INT, 4-4 record

Collins: 51.6% completions, 5.8 yards per attempt, 10 TD, 10 INT, 1-6 record

That's half a season where Boller clearly outperformed Collins. And furthermore, it's the more recent half season in the development of a young QB; Boller has now started 34 games in his career, just over two years' worth. He still has maturation to do, but it is entirely reasonable to expect that his 2006 numbers will be better than 2005, while Collins appears to be trending in the opposite direction. Collins is going to be 34 this year; why would you expect improvement at this stage of his career? Boller will be 25.

That's interesting analysis coming from youCalbear. I mean after isn't this analysis similar to the debate you and I had last year regarding Palmer? Only this time you are using it to defend your opinion of Boller. Either you have improved in your thinking of how to evaluate a QB or you simply use it to make your arguement fit. I hope it's the first because I can appreciate how you are evaluating him.However I'm not so sure the analysis really confirms your conclusions. If you look at his season he played 9 games. Boller had what amounts to 2 good games against GB and Minn. Then for some strange reason he totally disappeared against Cleve throwing 0 TD's and 2 picks.

So in conclusion after his return he started bad, had 2 real nice games and then finished bad. How you can take 2 games and draw the conclusion that he's improved over his first 2 years is somehow a significant developement is beyond me. Yes, his numbers over 16 games would be better at 3198 yds & 19 td's but much worse with 21 int's. It's still a passer rating of 71.8 which exactly 1 point better than last year.

No not exactly an improvement in my book. Certainly no better than Collins either.

 

[Bri]

FM, it'd be real weird if he waits and follows Fassel. Don't ya think?

 

[Family Matters]

FM, it'd be real weird if he waits and follows Fassel. Don't ya think?

True. I'm not so sure I think that'll happen but I know it's being discussed as a possibility. In the end many different scenarios will be kicked around and we'll always look at the past for clues as to what we think might happen and then speculate away.As for the QB comparison, I just think it was misguided to suggest that Boller was better than Collins. I don't like either but at least Collins has some accomplishments and stats to prove he can get the job done, somethimes. Boller has done nothing, outside of 2 games last year to suggest he's going ot get the job done.

 

[diesel7982]

Two things can happen here for Baltimore....1, they can pick up Kerry Collins as their starting QB.  2, they can LOSE ALOT OF GAMES with Kerry Collins as their starting QB.  Why is anyone seriously thinking this guy is a starter on a WINNING team???  Baltimore CAN and WILL do alot better than Kerry Collins this offseason....including keeping Kyle Boller and hoping for the best with him.

SERIOUSLY This guy is NEVER taking a team to the Super Bowl.

what??! try 2000, Gaints-Ravens SB. I guess you mean NEVER in the sense of NEVER happening AGAIN..I can see that point to a degree..he might never take another team to the SB...but, he took the Gmen to the show in 2000, spanked Minnesota in the championship game, too..

what did he throw in that game, 4 td passes in the first half or something ridiculous like that?

I'm just not so sure to call Boller the real deal yet..the one thing you can do with Collins is have some stability at the QB position..the Ravens couldn't throw more than 5 yard passes with Boller, they had to keep the training wheels on him just so that he doesn't implode..

A rock solid defense is Collins' best friend..

what a good defense can do for Collins is it can make up for his mistakes by stopping the opposition after an untimely turnover, but it also allows the offense to be more open, to take more shots downfield..

I'd bet in terms of the number offensive possessions and time of possession, the Raiders would rank at or near the bottom of the NFL..opponents could run the ball at will against the weak Raiders defense, they never made a stand, and Collins hardly ever had time to work with..I'd bet nearly all the Raider games were played with them trailing and having to throw too often.

Collins is not the best QB out there, but i'm not so sure that Kyle Boller is, either..

Neither is Kurt Warner, Kitna, Harrington ( is he a F/a?), Carr, etc..Garrard maybe..Shaub maybe...but these are the OTHER possible replacements for the Ravens QB position..pick your poison..

I guess I forgot where I was. Ill try to make my sarcasm more obvious in the future. Perhaps with more words in ALL CAPS.

 

[Odogs]

Exactly, Collins is on the decline. 

Why do you say that? his last 3 years are 3100, 3400, and 3700 yards. If anything he's doing better.

His TD to INT ratio is better

Oh I see his completion percentage is down a smidge but he went from 56% to 53%. I'm willing to blow the 3 percentage points off due to the Raiders WR injuries.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone believes that he had a good year last year. He's only had a few good years in his career, which overall, has been pretty average. Also, he's 34 years old, and if it's true he's not declining he's very close to it. All I'm saying is I would rather go with Boller instead of Collins at this point in their careers.

 

[CalBear]

That's interesting analysis coming from youCalbear. I mean after isn't this analysis similar to the debate you and I had last year regarding Palmer? Only this time you are using it to defend your opinion of Boller. Either you have improved in your thinking of how to evaluate a QB or you simply use it to make your arguement fit. I hope it's the first because I can appreciate how you are evaluating him.

However I'm not so sure the analysis really confirms your conclusions. If you look at his season he played 9 games. Boller had what amounts to 2 good games against GB and Minn. Then for some strange reason he totally disappeared against Cleve throwing 0 TD's and 2 picks.

So in conclusion after his return he started bad, had 2 real nice games and then finished bad. How you can take 2 games and draw the conclusion that he's improved over his first 2 years is somehow a significant developement is beyond me. Yes, his numbers over 16 games would be better at 3198 yds & 19 td's but much worse with 21 int's. It's still a passer rating of 71.8 which exactly 1 point better than last year.

No not exactly an improvement in my book. Certainly no better than Collins either.

There's no difference between my analysis of Boller and of Palmer last year; I would not take Boller ahead of the Brady/Delhomme type QBs in 2006, and I wouldn't have taken Palmer ahead of them in 2005. It so happens that Palmer worked out, but I don't think it was the right play. The question here is whether Boller is a better QB for the Ravens than Kerry Collins, which isn't a fantasy question.I didn't take two games; I took half a season. The second half of Boller's 2005 is pretty similar to Palmer's last eight games of 2004; Boller had three three-TD games (Palmer had one with three and one with four), five 200-yard games (Palmer had six), and four wins (same as Palmer).

 

[mcjc4]

Doesn't Oakland have to figure out who their QB is next season before Collins is gone and QB'ng somewhere else next year?Moss,Porter,Jordan and a new coaching staffing in place? I think Collins will give serious consideration to reworking his contract to try to get this oofense moving forward. you just don't get that many chances to have a Randy Moss make you look great.

 

[hooptd]

Exactly, Collins is on the decline. 

Why do you say that? his last 3 years are 3100, 3400, and 3700 yards. If anything he's doing better.

His TD to INT ratio is better

Oh I see his completion percentage is down a smidge but he went from 56% to 53%. I'm willing to blow the 3 percentage points off due to the Raiders WR injuries.

Yes the wr injuries played a big part in his completion % but I watched a lot of games and at times it seemed liked they couldn't catch a cold.