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First, this is the ratings of JR GM Scouting LLC, not the NFL. It is a company's rankings.
These ratings are distributed to the media thru the NFL. They are from NFLDraftscout or draftcountdown...can't recall which.ETA No they're not sorry, I'm wrong here

here's young's:

VINCENT “Vince” YOUNG, Jr.

Quarterback

University of Texas Longhorns

#10

6:04.3-233

Houston, Texas

Madison High School

OVERVIEW

Having led the Longhorns to their first national title since 1970, Vince decided it was time to test

his wares at the next level by declaring for the 2006 NFL Draft. A truly gifted athlete with the size

of a linebacker and the speed of a sprinter, Young hopes that some pro team will realize he is

best when allowed to improvise.

Young was a three-year starter at quarterback who accounted for 7,624 yards from scrimmage

during his career at Madison High School. He was named Parade and Student Sports National

Player of the Year as a senior. The 2001 Texas 5A Offensive Player of the Year was listed as

The Sporting News’ top high school prospect after he helped lead the team to a 14-1 record, 50.3

points per game and a berth in the Texas 5A Division II state semifinals. He played in the U.S.

Army All-American Bowl after his final season, winning the Pete Dawkins Trophy after leading the

West squad to a 26-6 triumph.

As a senior, Vince completed 131-of-224 passes for 2,545 yards, 35 touchdowns and only four

interceptions. He rushed for 1,274 yards on 116 carries with 24 scores and amassed 3,819 yards

in total offense and 59 touchdowns that year. He completed 18-of-30 passes for 400 yards and

five touchdowns while rushing for 92 yards on 18 carries and a score vs. Austin Westlake in the

2001 state semifinals.

Young was named the District Offensive Player of the Year as a junior, when he connected on

78-of-135 passes for 1,309 yards and 16 touchdowns. He added 760 yards and 14 scores on the

ground, as the offense averaged nearly 49 points per game that year. He hit on 62 passes for

1,006 yards and 10 touchdowns and also netted 730 rushing yards as a sophomore.

Vince was a four-year letter-winner and two-time All-District selection in basketball, averaging

over 20 points per game while competing as a guard/forward. He lettered three times in track,

where he was a member of two District Champion 400-meter relay squads. Young also played

the outfield and pitched for the baseball team for two years.

After redshirting in 2002 at Texas, Vince started the team’s final seven games in 2003. He was

named Big Twelve Conference Offensive Freshman of the Year by the league’s coaches and

Associated Press Big Twelve Newcomer of the Year. He became the first player in school history

to run and throw for over 900 yards in a season. Vince connected on 84-of-143 passes (58.7%)

for 1,155 yards, six touchdowns and seven interceptions. He added 998 yards and eleven scores

on 135 carries (7.4 avg), finishing the year with 2,153 yards in total offense.

The following season, Vince beat out Chance Mock for the starting job. Young hit on 148-of-250

passes for 1,849 yards and twelve touchdowns, but also three eleven interceptions. He also

rushed 167 times for 1,079 yards (led the NCAA quarterbacks) and fourteen scores to become

the first player in UT history to pass and rush for 1000+ yards in a season. He led all Division I

NCAA quarterbacks with 89.9 rushing yards per game and his 6.5 yards per carry ranked fifth

nationally among the nation’s top rushers.

In 2005, Vince was named Cingular/ABC Sports All-America Player of the Year while winning the

Davey O’Brien, Award and Maxwell Award. He added conference Offensive Player of the Year

honors and was a consensus first-team All-American. He ranked third in the nation in points

responsible for (18.0 ppg) and passing efficiency (163.9) while his average of 314.3 yards per

game in total offense ran ked sixth. He connected on 212-of-325 throws (65.2%) for 3,036 yards,

26 touchdowns and ten interceptions. He also led the team with 1,050 yards and twelve scores

on 155 carries while racking up 4,086 total yards.

In 37 games with the Longhorns, Vince started 32 times. He finished his career with 6,040 yards

on 444-of-718 passes (61.8%) with 44 touchdowns and 28 interceptions. He added 3,127 yards

with 37 scores on 457 carries (6.8 avg) and amassed 9,167 yards in total offense. His 3,127

yards and 37 touchdowns on the ground set school career-records for quarterbacks.

CAREER NOTES

Since taking over as the Longhorns’ starting quarterback, Vince compiled a 30-2 record for Texas

(93.75 winning percentage ranks sixth in NCAA history)…Became the fifth player in NCAA annals

to pass and rush for over 200 points in his career…Only player in Division 1-A annals to gain over

250 yards passing and 250 yards rushing in the same game (2005 vs. Oklahoma State)…Led

come-from-behind victories when Texas was tied or trailed at halftime eight times and directed six

fourth-quarter comebacks during his career…Has rushed or passed for a touchdown in 33 of his

37 career games…Owns four of the top seven single-game QB rushing performances in UT

history including the school game-record 267 yards and posted the longest touchdown run by a

quarterback in Texas history with an 80-yarder at Oklahoma State (2005)…Led Texas to points

on 198-of-the-374 drives (52.9%) he has directed (167 touchdowns and 31 field goals)…Has 43

career runs of 20 or more yards (seven of 51+)…His 6,040 yards passing rank fifth in school

history behind Chris Simms (7,097 from 1999-2002), Peter Gardere (7,396 from 1989-92), James

Brown (7,638 from 1994-97) and Major Applewhite (8,353 from 1998-2001)…His 44 touchdown

passes rank fourth in Texas annals, topped only by Applewhite (60), Simms (58) and Brown

(53)…Finished his career with 9,167 yards in total offense, breaking the previous school careerrecord

of 8,059 yards by Applewhite…His 3,127 yards rushing not only set a school all-time

record for quarterbacks, but also ranks fifth overall on Texas’ record books behind Ricky Williams

(6,279 from 1995-98), Cedric Benson (5,540 from 2001-04), Earl Campbell (4,443 from 1974-77)

and Chris Gilbert (3,231 from 1966-68)…His 81 touchdowns responsible for (37 rushing, 44

passing), broke the old school record of 76 by Williams.

2005 SEASON

Consensus All-American and All-Big Twelve Conference first-team selection…Named

Cingular/ABC Sports All-America Player of the Year…Davey O'Brien Award (nation’s top

quarterback) and Maxwell Award (nation’s top player) recipient…Finished second in the voting for

the Heisman Trophy…Chosen Big Twelve Conference Offensive Player of the Year

(unanimous)…Earned a spot on the eleven-member American Football Coaches Association

Good Works team due to his work with charitable organizations and his involvement in

community service efforts…Ranked third in the nation in passing efficiency (163.9) and points

responsible for (18.0 ppg)…Sixth in the NCAA Division 1-A ranks with an average of 314.3 yards

per game in total offense…Finished 60th in the 1-A ranks with an average of 16.31 pass

completions per game…Completed 212-of-325 passes (65.2%) for 3,036 yards, 26 touchdowns

and ten interceptions…Joined Chris Simms (3,207 in 2002) and Major Applewhite (3,357 in 1999)

as the only Longhorns to throw for over 3,000 yards in a season…Only Simms (214 in 2001 and

235 in 2002) and Applewhite (271 in 1999) completed more passes in a season at Texas…His 26

scoring strikes tied Simms (2002) for the school season-record…Set the UT season-record for

quarterbacks and became the first passer in Texas annals to lead the team in rushing, gaining

1,050 yards with twelve scores on 155 carries (6.8 avg)…Became the 20th player in school history

to gain over 1,000 yards on the ground…Participated in 480 plays, amassing a school seasonrecord

4,086 yards, shattering the previous mark of 3,357 by Applewhite in 1999…Texas has

scored on 90 of Young's 152 drives (59.2%) in 2005, including 76 touchdowns.

2004 SEASON

Listed on the Walter Camp Player of the Year, Maxwell Award and Davey O’Brien National

Quarterback Award watch lists…Earned honorable mention All-Big Twelve Conference honors

from the league’s coaches and the Associated Press…Named second-team All-Big Twelve by the

Dallas Morning News…Earned MVP honors of the 2005 Rose Bowl and named to the All-Bowl

Team by ESPN, Sports Illustrated and The Sporting News…Started all 12 games…Hit on 148-of-

250 passes for 1,849 yards, twelve touchdowns and eleven interceptions…Led the nation’s

quarterbacks with 1,079 yards on 167 carries (6.5 avg), producing fourteen scores…Became the

first player in UT history to pass and rush for 1000+ yards…His 6.5 yards per carry ranked fifth

nationally among the top 100 rushers… Became the first Texas QB to rush for 100+ yards in four

games during a season…Led Texas to scores on 61 (49 TDs/12 FGs) of 132 drives (46.2

%)…Posted fourteen runs of 20 or more yards…Led an offense that ranked second nationally in

rushing (299.2 ypg), seventh in total offense (464.4 ypg) and 12th in scoring (35.3 ppg)…Was

sacked nine times for losses of 64 yards…22 of his pass attempts were deflected…The

opposition recovered three of Young’s eleven fumbles.

2003 SEASON

Big Twelve Conference Offensive Freshman of the Year choice by the league’s coaches and

named the Big Twelve Newcomer of the Year and honorable mention All-Big Twelve by the

Associated Press...Added Big Twelve Freshman of the Year honors from the Austin American-

Statesman, The Dallas Morning News, the San Antonio Express-News (offensive) and the Fort

Worth Star-Telegram (offensive)…Chosen UT’s Outstanding Offensive Newcomer and shared

Longhorn Outstanding Quarterback honors...Played his first five games as the backup

quarterback before moving into the starting role in the team’s seventh contest (at Iowa

State)...Compiled a 6-1 record as a starter…Became the first quarterback in school history to gain

900 yards both passing and rushing in the same season…Completed 84-of-143 passes (58.7%)

for 1,155 yards, six touchdowns and seven interceptions…Scored eleven times and amassed 998

yards on 135 carries (7.4 avg)…Had 2,153 yards in total offense…Sacked ten times for losses of

62 yards and had 21 of his pass attempts deflected…Three of his eight fumbles were recovered

by the opposition…Became the first QB in school history to have three 100-yard rushing games

(vs. Baylor, Oklahoma and Nebraska) in the same season and tied Ricky Williams (1995) for the

third-most 100-yard games by a freshman in Texas annals…Posted four of the top six longest

rushes by a QB in school history…Helped Texas rank sixth nationally in scoring (41.0 ppg),

eighth in rushing (232.5 ypg) and 20th in total offense (439.2 ypg)…Came up two rushing yards

shy of becoming just the third freshman in NCAA history to rush and pass for 1,000 yards in the

same season.

2002 SEASON

Redshirted as a freshman.

HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Madison (Houston, Tex.) High School, playing football for head coach Ray

Seals…Three-year starter at quarterback who accounted for 7,624 yards from scrimmage during

his career…Named Parade and Student Sports National Player of the Year as a senior…The

2001 Texas 5A Offensive Player of the Year was listed as The Sporting News’ top high school

prospect after he helped lead the team to a 14-1 record, 50.3 points per game and a berth in the

Texas 5A Division II state semifinals…Played in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl after his final

season, winning the Pete Dawkins Trophy after leading the West squad to a 26-6 triumph…As a

senior, Vince completed 131-of-224 passes for 2,545 yards, 35 touchdowns and only four

interceptions…Rushed for 1,274 yards on 116 carries with 24 scores and amassed 3,819 yards in

total offense and 59 touchdowns that year… Completed 18-of-30 passes for 400 yards and five

touchdowns while rushing for 92 yards on 18 carries and a score vs. Austin Westlake in the 2001

state semifinals…Named the District Offensive Player of the Year as a junior, when he connected

on 78-of-135 passes for 1,309 yards and 16 touchdowns…Added 760 yards and 14 scores on the

ground, as the offense averaged nearly 49 points per game that year…Hit on 62 passes for 1,006

yards and 10 touchdowns and also netted 730 rushing yards as a sophomore…Four-year letterwinner

and two-time All-District selection in basketball, averaging over 20 points per game while

competing as a guard/forward…Lettered three times in track, where he was a member of two

District Champion 400-meter relay squads…Also played the outfield and pitched for the baseball

team for two years.

PERSONAL

Liberal Arts major…Earned a spot on UT’s Athletics Director’s Academic Honor Roll in fall

2002...Very active in Texas’ community service program…Mentors at local elementary and

middle schools…Took part in the LEAP (Learn, Enjoy and Play) Program serving as a student

teacher and mentor for middle school math and science students in the summer of 2005…Has

volunteered time at Austin YMCA and served as a speaker at several youth organizations in

Austin…Also is active in community service projects through his church and speaks to local

elementary school children and at youth football banquets…Born Vincent Paul Young, Jr., on

5/18/83 in Houston, Texas.

PLAYER STATISTICS

PASSING STATISTICS

STATS ATT COMP PCT YARDS TD YD/ATT YD/CMP INT I/PCT LG GM/AVG

2003 143 84 58.7 1155 6 8.08 13.75 7 4.90 67 96.25

2004 250 148 59.2 1849 12 7.40 12.49 11 4.40 49 154.08

2005 325 212 65.2 3036 26 9.34 14.32 10 3.08 75 233.54

TOTAL 718 444 61.8 6040 44 8.41 13.60 28 3.90 75 163.24

RUSHING STATISTICS

STATS GP GS NO YARDS AVG TD LONG

2003 12 07 135 998 7.4 11 65

2004 12 12 167 1079 6.5 14 60

2005 13 13 155 1050 6.8 12 80

TOTAL 37 32 457 3127 6.8 37 80

TOTAL OFFENSE

STATS GM PLAYS PASS RUSH YARDS TDR P/AVG GM/AVG

2003 12 278 1155 998 2153 17 7.74 179.42

2004 12 417 1849 1079 2928 26 7.02 244.00

2005 13 480 3036 1050 4086 38 8.51 314.31

TOTAL 37 1175 6040 3127 9167 81 7.80 247.76

 
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I agree that the grades are a bit low, but I think some of you are missing the point. This guy is not saying that some of these guys won't be drafted high, but rather that they're not worth a high pick. It doesn't seem like that big of a stretch to me. Take a look at the skill position players drafted in the first round of the 2002 draft:

1.1 - David Carr

1.3 - Joey Harrington

1.13 - Donte Stallworth

1.14 - Jeremy Shockey

1.15 - William Green

1.18 - TJ Duckett

1.19 - Ashley Lelie

1.20 - Javon Walker

1.21 - Daniel Graham

1.28 - Jerramy Stevens

1.32 - Patrick Ramsey

How many of these guys actually deserved the hype? Shockey and Walker have been impact players when healthy. Lelie, Stallworth, and Carr have shown flashes. Graham, Duckett, and Stevens have been mediocre. Green, Harrington, and Ramsey look like busts.

People always seem to forget that many of the top draft prospects will not live up to their billing. Five years from now, we'll look back on this draft class and wonder how so many of these scrubs could've been rated so high. Why is it such a big stretch for a scout to say that a handful of guys who will go in the first round are not worth that high of a pick? You might not agree with his choices, but you shouldn't dismiss his thoughts just because he has unique opinions.

 
I agree that the grades are a bit low, but I think some of you are missing the point. This guy is not saying that some of these guys won't be drafted high, but rather that they're not worth a high pick. It doesn't seem like that big of a stretch to me. Take a look at the skill position players drafted in the first round of the 2002 draft:

1.1 - David Carr

1.3 - Joey Harrington

1.13 - Donte Stallworth

1.14 - Jeremy Shockey

1.15 - William Green

1.18 - TJ Duckett

1.19 - Ashley Lelie

1.20 - Javon Walker

1.21 - Daniel Graham

1.28 - Jerramy Stevens

1.32 - Patrick Ramsey

How many of these guys actually deserved the hype? Shockey and Walker have been impact players when healthy. Lelie, Stallworth, and Carr have shown flashes. Graham, Duckett, and Stevens have been mediocre. Green, Harrington, and Ramsey look like busts.

People always seem to forget that many of the top draft prospects will not live up to their billing. Five years from now, we'll look back on this draft class and wonder how so many of these scrubs could've been rated so high. Why is it such a big stretch for a scout to say that a handful of guys who will go in the first round are not worth that high of a pick? You might not agree with his choices, but you shouldn't dismiss his thoughts just because he has unique opinions.
I agree and I think I am going to work them into my Rankings spreadsheet for some variety.
 
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles

Grading Scale

7.0-7.9 = Pro Bowl player - 1st round

6.5-6.9 = Highly-productive starter - 1st round

6.4 = Very good starter - 1st-2nd round

6.3 = Very good starter - 2nd round

6.1-6.2 = Good starter - 3rd round

6.0 = Productive backup, eventual starter - 3rd round

5.9 = Good backup and special teams player - 4th round

5.8 = Quality backup and good special teams player - 5th round

5.7 and lower = Backups, special teams players, and projects - 6th round-undrafted

Rankings with grades:

QB

1. Matt Leinart - 6.4

2. Kellen Clemens - 6.3

3. Eric Meyer - 6.25

4. Ingle Martin - 6.2

5. DJ Shockley - 6.0

6t. Vince Young - 5.9

6t. Darrell Hackney - 5.9

7. Charlie Whitehurst - 5.87

8. Brodie Croyle - 5.85

9. Jay Cutler - 5.8

Others:

Omar Jacobs - 5.4

RB

1. Reggie Bush - 7.0

2t. Laurence Maroney - 6.2

2t. LenDale White - 6.2

3t. Maurice Drew - 6.0

3t. Leon Washington - 6.0

4. Joseph Addai - 5.9

5t. Mike Bell - 5.8

5t. Taurean Henderson - 5.8

5t. Wali Lundy - 5.8

5t. Gerald Riggs - 5.8

Others:

DeAngelo Williams - 5.7

Brian Calhoun - 5.6

Jerome Harrison - 5.6

Jerrious Norwood - 5.3

WR

1t. Chad Jackson - 6.4

1t. Derek Hagan - 6.4

2t. Santonio Holmes - 6.3

2t. Greg Jennings - 6.3

2t. Sinorice Moss - 6.3

3t. Jason Avant - 6.2

3t. Maurice Stovall - 6.2

4t. Brad Smith - 6.0

4t. Will Blackmon - 6.0

4t. Cory Rodgers - 6.0

5t. Devin Aromashadu - 5.9

5t. Hank Baskett - 5.9

5t. Skyler Green - 5.9

5t. Devin Hester - 5.9

5t. Willie Reid - 5.9

6t. Ben Obomanu - 5.8

6t. Todd Watkins - 5.8

6t. Jeremy Bloom - 5.8

6t. Michael Robinson - 5.8

6t. Jonathan Orr - 5.8

6t. Ed Hinkel - 5.8

6t. Miles Austin - 5.8

6t. Demetrius Williams - 5.8

6t. Brandon Williams - 5.8

Others:

Brandon Marshall - 5.5

TE

1. Vernon Davis - 6.6

2. Marcedes Lewis - 6.4

3. Anthony Fasano - 6.2

4. Leonard Pope - 6.0

5t. Joe Klopfenstein - 5.9

5t. Dominique Byrd - 5.9
Um, where is this rating information located on the link provided?http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles

Each hyperlink from the main page goes to alphabetical decending order lists of positions with no rating information. Where is the rating information? Obviously others here have found it but I'm not from the link provided. Thanks in advance.

 
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles

Grading Scale

7.0-7.9 = Pro Bowl player - 1st round

6.5-6.9 = Highly-productive starter - 1st round

6.4 = Very good starter - 1st-2nd round

6.3 = Very good starter - 2nd round

6.1-6.2 = Good starter - 3rd round

6.0 = Productive backup, eventual starter - 3rd round

5.9 = Good backup and special teams player - 4th round

5.8 = Quality backup and good special teams player - 5th round

5.7 and lower = Backups, special teams players, and projects - 6th round-undrafted

Rankings with grades:

QB

1. Matt Leinart - 6.4

2. Kellen Clemens - 6.3

3. Eric Meyer - 6.25

4. Ingle Martin - 6.2

5. DJ Shockley - 6.0

6t. Vince Young - 5.9

6t. Darrell Hackney - 5.9

7. Charlie Whitehurst - 5.87

8. Brodie Croyle - 5.85

9. Jay Cutler - 5.8

Others:

Omar Jacobs - 5.4

RB

1. Reggie Bush - 7.0

2t. Laurence Maroney - 6.2

2t. LenDale White - 6.2

3t. Maurice Drew - 6.0

3t. Leon Washington - 6.0

4. Joseph Addai - 5.9

5t. Mike Bell - 5.8

5t. Taurean Henderson - 5.8

5t. Wali Lundy - 5.8

5t. Gerald Riggs - 5.8

Others:

DeAngelo Williams - 5.7

Brian Calhoun - 5.6

Jerome Harrison - 5.6

Jerrious Norwood - 5.3

WR

1t. Chad Jackson - 6.4

1t. Derek Hagan - 6.4

2t. Santonio Holmes - 6.3

2t. Greg Jennings - 6.3

2t. Sinorice Moss - 6.3

3t. Jason Avant - 6.2

3t. Maurice Stovall - 6.2

4t. Brad Smith - 6.0

4t. Will Blackmon - 6.0

4t. Cory Rodgers - 6.0

5t. Devin Aromashadu - 5.9

5t. Hank Baskett - 5.9

5t. Skyler Green - 5.9

5t. Devin Hester - 5.9

5t. Willie Reid - 5.9

6t. Ben Obomanu - 5.8

6t. Todd Watkins - 5.8

6t. Jeremy Bloom - 5.8

6t. Michael Robinson - 5.8

6t. Jonathan Orr - 5.8

6t. Ed Hinkel - 5.8

6t. Miles Austin - 5.8

6t. Demetrius Williams - 5.8

6t. Brandon Williams - 5.8

Others:

Brandon Marshall - 5.5

TE

1. Vernon Davis - 6.6

2. Marcedes Lewis - 6.4

3. Anthony Fasano - 6.2

4. Leonard Pope - 6.0

5t. Joe Klopfenstein - 5.9

5t. Dominique Byrd - 5.9
Um, where is this rating information located on the link provided?http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles

Each hyperlink from the main page goes to alphabetical decending order lists of positions with no rating information. Where is the rating information? Obviously others here have found it but I'm not from the link provided. Thanks in advance.
I compiled the rankings based on the grades that were provided.
 
I agree that the grades are a bit low, but I think some of you are missing the point. This guy is not saying that some of these guys won't be drafted high, but rather that they're not worth a high pick. It doesn't seem like that big of a stretch to me. Take a look at the skill position players drafted in the first round of the 2002 draft:

1.1 - David Carr

1.3 - Joey Harrington

1.13 - Donte Stallworth

1.14 - Jeremy Shockey

1.15 - William Green

1.18 - TJ Duckett

1.19 - Ashley Lelie

1.20 - Javon Walker

1.21 - Daniel Graham

1.28 - Jerramy Stevens

1.32 - Patrick Ramsey

How many of these guys actually deserved the hype? Shockey and Walker have been impact players when healthy. Lelie, Stallworth, and Carr have shown flashes. Graham, Duckett, and Stevens have been mediocre. Green, Harrington, and Ramsey look like busts.

People always seem to forget that many of the top draft prospects will not live up to their billing. Five years from now, we'll look back on this draft class and wonder how so many of these scrubs could've been rated so high. Why is it such a big stretch for a scout to say that a handful of guys who will go in the first round are not worth that high of a pick? You might not agree with his choices, but you shouldn't dismiss his thoughts just because he has unique opinions.
2002 was a down year for skill position players picked in the first, I think 2003 and 2004 present a much different picture. Also, I can handle someone saying Cutler, Young, and DeAngelo Williams won't live up to billing and shouldn't be first round picks, I don't agree, but I can see that as a credible opinion. What's even more baffling to me are the players they choose to pimp and say are locks to be starters eventually.

 
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Um, where is this rating information located on the link provided?

Each hyperlink from the main page goes to alphabetical decending order lists of positions with no rating information. Where is the rating information? Obviously others here have found it but I'm not from the link provided. Thanks in advance.
I compiled the rankings based on the grades that were provided.
I think what he means is: those grades are not there on that page now. http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles

 
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I compiled the rankings based on the grades that were provided.
Could you furnish a link to the grades provided? That link that was given doesn't go to the provided grades, its a dead end. I'm sure you are sharing the correct grades but I would like the original source. So could you provide the link to the actual grades? Thanks in advance.
 
2002 was a down year for skill position players picked in the first, I think 2003 and 2004 present a much different picture. Also, I can handle someone saying Cutler, Young, and DeAngelo Williams won't live up to billing and shouldn't be first round picks, I don't agree, but I can see that as a credible opinion. What's even more baffling to me are the players they choose to pimp and say are locks to be starters eventually.
Isn't this what scouts and Gms are supposed to do? Avoid drafting higher profile players who are not really good and draft lower profile players who are good.
 
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2002 was a down year for skill position players picked in the first, I think 2003 and 2004 present a much different picture.

Also, I can handle someone saying Cutler, Young, and DeAngelo Williams won't live up to billing and shouldn't be first round picks, I don't agree, but I can see that as a credible opinion. What's even more baffling to me are the players they choose to pimp and say are locks to be starters eventually.
There are definitely some odd picks. I think he's too bullish on guys like Meyer, Martin, and L. Washington, but I agree that Clemens could be a steal.Anyhow, as for the draft, I think you'll find that it's hit-and-miss in any given year.

Here are some other drafts:

2001:

1.1 - Michael Vick - solid NFL player, but hardly the star that was expected

1.5 - LaDainian Tomlinson - stud

1.8 - David Terrell - disaster

1.9 - Koren Robinson - mixed results

1.15 - Rod Gardner - mediocre journeyman

1.16 - Santana Moss - solid

1.23 - Deuce McAllister - stud when healthy

1.25 - Freddie Mitchell - disaster

1.27 - Michael Bennett - shown flashes, but pretty much a bust

1.30 - Reggie Wayne - solid

1.31 - Todd Heap - solid

2000:

1.4 - Peter Warrick - disaster considering how high he went

1.5 - Jamal Lewis - stud

1.7 - Thomas Jones - solid

1.8 - Plaxico Burress - solid

1.10 - Travis Taylor - disappointing

1.11 - Ron Dayne - bust so far

1.14 - Bubba Franks - fairly disappointing

1.18 - Chad Pennington - solid

1.19 - Shaun Alexander - stud

1.21 - Sylvester Morris - disaster

1.27 - Anthony Becht - bust

1.29 - R. Jay Soward - disaster

1.31 - Trung Canidate - disaster

1999:

1.1 - Tim Couch - disaster

1.2 - Donovn McNabb - stud

1.3 - Akili Smith - disaster

1.4 - Edgerrin James - stud

1.5 - Ricky Williams - stud

1.6 - Torry Holt - stud

1.8 - David Boston - mixed returns

1.11 - Daunte Culpepper - solid

1.12 - Cade McNown - disaster

1.13 - Troy Edwards - disaster

Of 34 first round picks, I count at least 12 total busts. That's 35%. If you look at this year's crop, there are 10 guys who are generally expected to go in round one:

Reggie Bush

Matt Leinart

Vince Young

Vernon Davis

Jay Cutler

Chad Jackson

Santonio Holmes

DeAngelo Williams

LenDale White

Laurence Maroney

Of this ten, only Young, Cutler, and Williams were given alarmingly-low grades by NFL.com. That's 3 out of 10, which makes 30%. Maybe he's wrong about which guys will bust, but his percentage seems to match recent history.

 
Second, I think that the ratings are what they expect the player to produce this year.
That would be appropriate if that's how NFL teams decided on who to draft. it's not.
True, but his summary of Young does not say he thinks that he is a career back-up. It says that there are concerns, and he will need time.This is his last line on Leonard Pope-"in the end, Pope will be a good starting tight end who makes big plays, but is never as consistent or dominant as he is capable of."

However, his rating of 6.0 does not equate with that. He should be rated slightly higher if that is his opinion.

Also, NFL GMS don't draft most players for what they can become in years 4 and 5. They need those players to produce in years 2 and 3 due to the nature of FA and contracts expiring.

 
I think what he means is: those grades are not there on that page now.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles
My mistake. Under "Positions" click on the position you want. Then click on an individual player's name, and their writeup and grades appear.
Thanks. I wouldn't mind the rankings being arbirtrary as long as they were consistent. For example.RB COMPARIS

NAME ------ HT/ WT - 40T SIZ ATH HDS CMP PLS BLK FINAL

Bush, R 5-11 200 4.35 5.5 8.0 7.0 7.5 9.0 5.0 7.0

Maroney, L 6-00 216 4.45 6.5 6.5 6.0 6.0 6.0 5.0 6.2

White, L 6-00 237 4.60 7.5 6.0 5.0 6.5 6.0 6.0 6.2

Drew, M 5-07 206 4.39 5.0 6.5 6.0 6.0 6.0 4.5 6.0

Washingt, L 5-08 202 4.42 5.5 6.5 6.5 6.0 6.5 5.5 6.0

Addai, J 5-11 215 4.49 6.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 5.9

Riggs, G 5-11 231 4.60 5.5 6.0 6.0 5.5 6.0 5.0 5.8

Williams, D 5-09 213 4.55 4.0 6.5 6.0 6.0 6.0 4.5 5.7

Calhoun, B 5-09 202 4.66 4.0 6.5 6.5 5.5 6.0 4.5 5.6

Harrison, J 5-09 202 4.59 4.0 6.0 6.0 5.5 6.0 5.5 5.6

Norwood, J 6-00 203 4.37 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? 5.3

Seems that De'Angelo gets arbirtrarily and unfairly knocked down on the size criteria and that others get a pass even if smaller/less wieght. Makes absolutely no sense. The HT/WT ratio should determine size and I'm not quite understanding the weighting of the individual factors because when I tried to correct what I felt was an unfair size factor to De'Angleo I got a false final talley. I'm usure of the dates that each individual RB was rated as that might have been a factor if the person doing the grading had a sliding scale or changed their rating judgement.

I have seen both Reggie and De'Angelo and Williams hit people and knocked them back in the open field whereas Reggie would hit and stand up defenders and not knock them back. I've also seen Drew and I do like him but he holds no size factor over De'Angelo by any stretch of the imagination yet he scores higher than Williams but a full point.

 
RB

1. Reggie Bush - 7.0

2t. Laurence Maroney - 6.2

2t. LenDale White - 6.2

3t. Maurice Drew - 6.0

3t. Leon Washington - 6.0

4. Joseph Addai - 5.9

5t. Mike Bell - 5.8

5t. Taurean Henderson - 5.8

5t. Wali Lundy - 5.8

5t. Gerald Riggs - 5.8

Others:

DeAngelo Williams - 5.7

Brian Calhoun - 5.6

Jerome Harrison - 5.6

Jerrious Norwood - 5.3
This goes to show why you should never completely dismiss a bizarre set of rankings. I think this is the only source I saw that had both Lundy and Bell ranked in the top ten. He seems to have missed the mark on Taurean Henderson and Gerald Riggs, but he did suggest a couple of nice sleepers who have already yielded a nice value increase for those of us who snagged them cheap.
 
Quotes from the Bell prospect profile:

Overall, Bell has the physical tools to be a very good starting running back in the NFL, but in order to become the player he is capable of he is going to need to play more aggressively on every snap. He will end up being a good starter who struggles to stay healthy for an entire season and will have to come out of games in clear passing situations because of his pass blocking ability.
Lundy:
If he learns to run more aggressively on every snap, consistently lowers a shoulder to deliver a blow to the tackler and picks his feet up better in traffic, he can be a good starting big back in the NFL who can handle carrying a power offense on his back....He will be a backup for a season or two, but will eventually be a good starting power back -- he reminds you a lot of Stephen Davis and Mike Anderson when they came out of college.
 

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