GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
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This should be a three or four horse race....
Cmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.This should be a three or four horse race....
I'm not so sure.... many people don't consider him and Palmer as 'coming back' because they played in their team's final game last year.I don't agree with that thought pattern though...Cmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.This should be a three or four horse race....
I just put the most 'popular' choices from another thread from earlier this week, because I didn't want to hear that this poll was fla\/\/ed.I'm going to hold off voting until I find out what injury TO had last year .
"Comeback" from the 1 game he missed last year???I have to give the nod to Henry here because I believe to be the Comeback Player of the year you must comeback from something more than missing one game. Henry got shafted in Buffalo(some self-inflicted) and has really taken advantage of his opportunity in Tennessee.MVP for Brees...maybe if LT doesn't count.Most Inspirational...probably.Best NFL QB in 2007...without a doubt!!!Cmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.This should be a three or four horse race....
but what is he coming back fromCmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.This should be a three or four horse race....
It's arguable. Granted, Brees and Palmer are coming back from injuries, but when I think of "comeback player of the year", I think more along the lines of a player that was good, had a bad year or two, then came back to their top level this year. Brees and Palmer wouldn't fit that. (not to say that my logic is right, but it's mine)Travis Henry or Pennington are more inline with what I perceive the award to be. I'll go with Henry.I'm not so sure.... many people don't consider him and Palmer as 'coming back' because they played in their team's final game last year.I don't agree with that thought pattern though...Cmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.This should be a three or four horse race....
Palmer and Brees are coming back from 'reconstructive' surgeries. I'd say that's 'coming back' from something.What did last year's winner Tedy Brusci come back from? A missing 'd' in his first name?but what is he coming back fromCmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.This should be a three or four horse race....he got hurt week 17
Seriously? Are you even aware there's a whole other conference out there?Palmer and Brees are coming back from 'reconstructive' surgeries. I'd say that's 'coming back' from something.What did last year's winner Tedy Brusci come back from? A missing 'd' in his first name?but what is he coming back fromCmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.This should be a three or four horse race....he got hurt week 17
Why should Palmer even be considered? I thought this was for a guy who played just a few games last year or was trash. I don't think Brees or Palmer should even be considered. It should be Henry, Deuce, or Walker IMO.Brees had the best year, but it's not like he came back from a career threatening injury. Yeah, he had a shoulder injury, but he played 16 games last year. He was expected to play this year, and while he has put up better numbers, it's not by that much. Palmer has thrown for fewer yards this year, his injury was considered much more serious, and he was more hurt to start the year. Nobody knew if McAllister was going to be able to play this year with less than a full year to recover from ACL surgery, and even if he did, nobody knew if he'd be able to play his way past Reggie Bush. Instead, he's been the lead back over a super hyped rookie who has also played well. That's pretty impressive, although he probably won't get the CPOTY. Kellen Winslow has 71 receptions. The next leading receiver on the team doesn't even have 50. He hadn't played the game in two years. He won't get it, either, but he deserves some recognition. I'm probably overlooking someone big, but right now, I'm leaning towards Carson Palmer. Between the circumstances when he got hurt, the severity of the injury, the performance he's had, the team posting an 8-5 record so far, and beating their rival Steelers in Pittsburgh, it's hard not to give him the nod.
Brees injury was not career threateningPalmer and Brees are coming back from 'reconstructive' surgeries. I'd say that's 'coming back' from something.What did last year's winner Tedy Brusci come back from? A missing 'd' in his first name?but what is he coming back fromCmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.This should be a three or four horse race....he got hurt week 17
Im sorry, the poll never mentioned a criteria. I was thinking injury :("Comeback" from the 1 game he missed last year???I have to give the nod to Henry here because I believe to be the Comeback Player of the year you must comeback from something more than missing one game. Henry got shafted in Buffalo(some self-inflicted) and has really taken advantage of his opportunity in Tennessee.MVP for Brees...maybe if LT doesn't count.Most Inspirational...probably.Best NFL QB in 2007...without a doubt!!!Cmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.This should be a three or four horse race....
Palmer's injury was career threatening. He not only came back to play, he's playing lights out. That's exactly what this kind of award is for. There's never been a criteria that the winner has to have missed a significant number of games or played poorly the previous year. Bruschi had a phenomenal year the year before he got it, but suffered an offseason stroke, recovered, and played well enough to earn the award.Why should Palmer even be considered? I thought this was for a guy who played just a few games last year or was trash. I don't think Brees or Palmer should even be considered. It should be Henry, Deuce, or Walker IMO.Brees had the best year, but it's not like he came back from a career threatening injury. Yeah, he had a shoulder injury, but he played 16 games last year. He was expected to play this year, and while he has put up better numbers, it's not by that much. Palmer has thrown for fewer yards this year, his injury was considered much more serious, and he was more hurt to start the year. Nobody knew if McAllister was going to be able to play this year with less than a full year to recover from ACL surgery, and even if he did, nobody knew if he'd be able to play his way past Reggie Bush. Instead, he's been the lead back over a super hyped rookie who has also played well. That's pretty impressive, although he probably won't get the CPOTY. Kellen Winslow has 71 receptions. The next leading receiver on the team doesn't even have 50. He hadn't played the game in two years. He won't get it, either, but he deserves some recognition. I'm probably overlooking someone big, but right now, I'm leaning towards Carson Palmer. Between the circumstances when he got hurt, the severity of the injury, the performance he's had, the team posting an 8-5 record so far, and beating their rival Steelers in Pittsburgh, it's hard not to give him the nod.
It's arguable. Granted, Brees and Palmer are coming back from injuries, but when I think of "comeback player of the year", I think more along the lines of a player that was good, had a bad year or two, then came back to their top level this year. Brees and Palmer wouldn't fit that. (not to say that my logic is right, but it's mine)Travis Henry or Pennington are more inline with what I perceive the award to be. I'll go with Henry.I'm not so sure.... many people don't consider him and Palmer as 'coming back' because they played in their team's final game last year.I don't agree with that thought pattern though...Cmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.This should be a three or four horse race....
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That's fine. I don't get this award then because it really doesn't make much sense to give it to a guy like Palmer who was one of the ten best players in the NFL last year and it would seem the award is season to season. I think the award's intention is to give it to someone who missed significant time over a year or more then came back to have a great season. Not a guy who was great last year, got injured in the playoffs, then came back to have a good but not great season. See what I'm saying? Doesn't matter to me too much but I guess it just goes against what I would consider a "comeback player." This is probably why I don't work for the NFL.Palmer's injury was career threatening. He not only came back to play, he's playing lights out. That's exactly what this kind of award is for. There's never been a criteria that the winner has to have missed a significant number of games or played poorly the previous year. Bruschi had a phenomenal year the year before he got it, but suffered an offseason stroke, recovered, and played well enough to earn the award.Why should Palmer even be considered? I thought this was for a guy who played just a few games last year or was trash. I don't think Brees or Palmer should even be considered. It should be Henry, Deuce, or Walker IMO.Brees had the best year, but it's not like he came back from a career threatening injury. Yeah, he had a shoulder injury, but he played 16 games last year. He was expected to play this year, and while he has put up better numbers, it's not by that much. Palmer has thrown for fewer yards this year, his injury was considered much more serious, and he was more hurt to start the year. Nobody knew if McAllister was going to be able to play this year with less than a full year to recover from ACL surgery, and even if he did, nobody knew if he'd be able to play his way past Reggie Bush. Instead, he's been the lead back over a super hyped rookie who has also played well. That's pretty impressive, although he probably won't get the CPOTY. Kellen Winslow has 71 receptions. The next leading receiver on the team doesn't even have 50. He hadn't played the game in two years. He won't get it, either, but he deserves some recognition. I'm probably overlooking someone big, but right now, I'm leaning towards Carson Palmer. Between the circumstances when he got hurt, the severity of the injury, the performance he's had, the team posting an 8-5 record so far, and beating their rival Steelers in Pittsburgh, it's hard not to give him the nod.
I agree. I am kind of suprised that people seem to have forgotten the adversity that Ahman has overcome."tore the hammy off the bone""never will play again"It's gotta be AHMAN.
Was this really the medical thinking at the time? I don't recall anyone saying "I think Palmer's career might be over."I could be wrong, of course. I think people (especially the media) tend to be very melodramatic when it comes to these things. It's possible I just blocked that out.Palmer's injury was career threatening.
I don't think it was career threatening but it certainly was a major injury and the fact that he started week one is pretty amazing. It wasn't Culpepper serious, but it was pretty bad and there is no way he should have been back until about midseason. Then he could have won this award next year and it would make complete sense to me.Was this really the medical thinking at the time? I don't recall anyone saying "I think Palmer's career might be over."I could be wrong, of course. I think people (especially the media) tend to be very melodramatic when it comes to these things. It's possible I just blocked that out.Palmer's injury was career threatening.
from wikipediaCarson Palmer underwent reconstructive surgery on his injured knee in Houston, Texas on January 10, 2006. Dr. Lonnie Paulos, a surgeon who is independent of the Cincinnati Bengals, performed the operation. Initially, the Bengals organization stated that Palmer had torn the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments with no other damage. However, Dr. Paulos later told the Associated Press that the damage was more extensive and included a dislocation of the kneecap. Dr. Paulos called the injury "devastating and potentially career-ending", which drew a derisive comment from Palmer that implied Paulos simply liked to see his name in print. The Bengals later accepted Dr. Paulos' account, however, Carson Palmer promised he'd be at quarterback in the Bengals' regular season opener at Kansas City on September 10, 2006.I don't think it was career threatening but it certainly was a major injury and the fact that he started week one is pretty amazing. It wasn't Culpepper serious, but it was pretty bad and there is no way he should have been back until about midseason. Then he could have won this award next year and it would make complete sense to me.Was this really the medical thinking at the time? I don't recall anyone saying "I think Palmer's career might be over."I could be wrong, of course. I think people (especially the media) tend to be very melodramatic when it comes to these things. It's possible I just blocked that out.Palmer's injury was career threatening.
Neither did Tedy Brusci, matter of fact, he won the Super Bowl and then went on to the Pro Bowl.Brees??????????????????????????? He didnt even miss a single game last year. I voted Javon Walker. Having a pretty solid season after tearing his ACL early last year.
An ACL, MCL, and knee cap are not career threatening if you're a QB. Culpepper lost his PCL as well. That was a much bigger injury because the pcl is used to stabilize the plant leg. Also a labrum is an easy fix but a rotator cuff is not. I've played with a torn labrum for years.from wikipediaCarson Palmer underwent reconstructive surgery on his injured knee in Houston, Texas on January 10, 2006. Dr. Lonnie Paulos, a surgeon who is independent of the Cincinnati Bengals, performed the operation. Initially, the Bengals organization stated that Palmer had torn the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments with no other damage. However, Dr. Paulos later told the Associated Press that the damage was more extensive and included a dislocation of the kneecap. Dr. Paulos called the injury "devastating and potentially career-ending", which drew a derisive comment from Palmer that implied Paulos simply liked to see his name in print. The Bengals later accepted Dr. Paulos' account, however, Carson Palmer promised he'd be at quarterback in the Bengals' regular season opener at Kansas City on September 10, 2006.I don't think it was career threatening but it certainly was a major injury and the fact that he started week one is pretty amazing. It wasn't Culpepper serious, but it was pretty bad and there is no way he should have been back until about midseason. Then he could have won this award next year and it would make complete sense to me.Was this really the medical thinking at the time? I don't recall anyone saying "I think Palmer's career might be over."I could be wrong, of course. I think people (especially the media) tend to be very melodramatic when it comes to these things. It's possible I just blocked that out.Palmer's injury was career threatening.
Drew Brees in the last game of the 2005 season against the Denver Broncos, Brees injured his shoulder while trying to pick up a fumble of his after being hit by Denver Broncos safety John Lynch, Denver tackle Gerard Warren hit Brees while he was on the ground, a legal but questionable hit, that caused the injury. Brees underwent arthroscopic surgery to repair the torn labrum in his right (throwing) shoulder on January 5th, 2006. Subsequent reports mention rotator cuff damage as well, making the injury much more serious than it was originally described. Then in an interview given in July 2006, he acknowledged that the labrum injury was much worse than originally known and he had also suffered a partially torn rotator cuff.
But your Doctor DetroitAn ACL, MCL, and knee cap are not career threatening if you're a QB. Culpepper lost his PCL as well. That was a much bigger injury because the pcl is used to stabilize the plant leg. Also a labrum is an easy fix but a rotator cuff is not. I've played with a torn labrum for years.![]()
It was the quad and no player has ever come back from that injury. The muscle basically exploded. He's a good choice."tore the hammy off the bone""never will play again"It's gotta be AHMAN.
Again... Bruschi was never even hurt the prior year, and played in the Super Bowl and the Pro Bowl. So no matter what YOU think the 'stipulations' should be - it doesn't matter.The funny thing is the last time Brees won this award, he never really 'came back' from anything. Don't you have to 'be somewhere' to come back from 'there'?cr8f said:Brees was good until the end of last year. A comeback player should be someone who had a bad year. Brees did a lot after his injury and came back from that but he did have a good year.
Finally... someone who gets what the award is about.Yeah, Brees is making a comeback from such an awful last couple years... or not playing. sorry... QBs (Palmer too) don't need their knees that much, unless they are Mike Vick or Steve Young. Yeah, they got injured... but as we see with both of them, vs other recent strong QBs seeing the same injury (Daunte's was 3 times worse... literally).Brees had 3600 and 24/15. Yeah, he really came back from the doldrums.This year is actually tough."Dr. Paulos called the injury "devastating and potentially career-ending","Laughable.. if not comedic.If Philly gets into the playoffs... Jeff Garcia. 4 games.... 8 TDs and 0 INTs... and back in the playoff as they slipped with McNabb.It's arguable. Granted, Brees and Palmer are coming back from injuries, but when I think of "comeback player of the year", I think more along the lines of a player that was good, had a bad year or two, then came back to their top level this year. Brees and Palmer wouldn't fit that. (not to say that my logic is right, but it's mine)Travis Henry or Pennington are more inline with what I perceive the award to be. I'll go with Henry.I'm not so sure.... many people don't consider him and Palmer as 'coming back' because they played in their team's final game last year.I don't agree with that thought pattern though...Cmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.This should be a three or four horse race....
But your Doctor DetroitAn ACL, MCL, and knee cap are not career threatening if you're a QB. Culpepper lost his PCL as well. That was a much bigger injury because the pcl is used to stabilize the plant leg. Also a labrum is an easy fix but a rotator cuff is not. I've played with a torn labrum for years.![]()
Henry? C'mon, Winslow missed 2 years. This year he hasn't missed a game and he's leading TEs in receptions. how is it not him?NOONAN said:"Comeback" from the 1 game he missed last year???I have to give the nod to Henry here because I believe to be the Comeback Player of the year you must comeback from something more than missing one game. Henry got shafted in Buffalo(some self-inflicted) and has really taken advantage of his opportunity in Tennessee.MVP for Brees...maybe if LT doesn't count.Most Inspirational...probably.Best NFL QB in 2007...without a doubt!!!sainttillidie said:Cmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:This should be a three or four horse race....
Or Ahman.As I have said repeatedly, Brees and Palmer won't be considered for this award - except maybe by some talking heads.The award is actually for overcoming unusual or extreme adversity to play at a high level (paraphrasing, but that is pretty close to the terminology used) You do not have to miss games or be injured, but injuries are the classic adversities that people overcome.Bruschi is the exception, not the rule, please stop using the example of last year to prove your point - if you find more than one or two examples in the history of the award that fits the Bruschi mold, I'll be surprised. Bruschi was given the award for an extraordinary recovery during the season from a career threatening injury. Bruschi was a "feel-good" story and he missed a lot of games in 2005. The criteria is not "missing games last year" it is overcoming adversity to play at a high level.I thought we were supposed to be good debaters here - using the exception to prove the rule is extremely poor debating strategy.Brees and Palmer may have had fast recoveries from their injuries, but the runners overcame significantly more adversity. And came from waaaaaay further back.For the runners to be where they are right now is hella more impressive than the QBs fast recovery. Ooooooh an athlete recovered from injury quickly! What a shocker!Doctor Detroit said:Why should Palmer even be considered? I thought this was for a guy who played just a few games last year or was trash. I don't think Brees or Palmer should even be considered. It should be Henry, Deuce, or Walker IMO.
you had to be somewhere before winning it. It's the comeback player of the year, not the "breakout" player.Henry had 2 1500 yard rush years before overcoming being traded, benched, injured, off field issues, pouting, punching, drinking, sitting farting - doing a lot of things except playing.I don't think he'll win the award, but he fits the mold of a comeback player.Henry? C'mon, Winslow missed 2 years. This year he hasn't missed a game and he's leading TEs in receptions. how is it not him?NOONAN said:"Comeback" from the 1 game he missed last year???I have to give the nod to Henry here because I believe to be the Comeback Player of the year you must comeback from something more than missing one game. Henry got shafted in Buffalo(some self-inflicted) and has really taken advantage of his opportunity in Tennessee.MVP for Brees...maybe if LT doesn't count.Most Inspirational...probably.Best NFL QB in 2007...without a doubt!!!sainttillidie said:Cmon, Drew Brees will run away with this one.GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:This should be a three or four horse race....
So a quarterback coming back from a torn labrum, being 'discarded by his team' that franchise tagged him the prior offseason, and then throwing for unGodly passing yardage and putting a 3-13 team on his shoulders) isn't overcoming unusual/extreme adversity?Time will tell I guess....It's a spirited debate though....The award is actually for overcoming unusual or extreme adversity to play at a high level (paraphrasing, but that is pretty close to the terminology used) You do not have to miss games or be injured, but injuries are the classic adversities that people overcome....Doctor Detroit said:Why should Palmer even be considered? I thought this was for a guy who played just a few games last year or was trash. I don't think Brees or Palmer should even be considered. It should be Henry, Deuce, or Walker IMO.
Too late of a bloomer, but a reasonable suggestion (as reasonable as suggesting Brees or Palmer, anyway)Filling in for an injured player sometime after week 8 won't trump the seasosn long accomplishments of Henry, Green and Deuce.I really think those are your top three candidates, and noone else will be seriously considered.GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:I like the Jeff Garthia angle...I didn't even think about him.
Nice chopping of my post to try and set up a disagreement, but my post agrees with your assertion.I acknolwedged Brees came back from adversity - but it was not as much adversity as the runners NOR is he coming back from as far down.As fas as I am concerned, that eliminates Brees and Palmer - there is the "how far back you came" part of the award that you and the other Brees supporters are choosing to conveniently ignore.So a quarterback coming back from a torn labrum, being 'discarded by his team' that franchise tagged him the prior offseason, and then throwing for unGodly passing yardage and putting a 3-13 team on his shoulders) isn't overcoming unusual/extreme adversity?Time will tell I guess....It's a spirited debate though....The award is actually for overcoming unusual or extreme adversity to play at a high level (paraphrasing, but that is pretty close to the terminology used) You do not have to miss games or be injured, but injuries are the classic adversities that people overcome....Doctor Detroit said:Why should Palmer even be considered? I thought this was for a guy who played just a few games last year or was trash. I don't think Brees or Palmer should even be considered. It should be Henry, Deuce, or Walker IMO.
I didnt realize that. If thats the case, then I agree Brees is eligible. Although its a ######ed award thenGRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:Again... Bruschi was never even hurt the prior year, and played in the Super Bowl and the Pro Bowl. So no matter what YOU think the 'stipulations' should be - it doesn't matter.The funny thing is the last time Brees won this award, he never really 'came back' from anything. Don't you have to 'be somewhere' to come back from 'there'?cr8f said:Brees was good until the end of last year. A comeback player should be someone who had a bad year. Brees did a lot after his injury and came back from that but he did have a good year.