NFL COMEBACK Player of the Year (1 Viewer)

[Marc Levin]

Brees was good until the end of last year. A comeback player should be someone who had a bad year. Brees did a lot after his injury and came back from that but he did have a good year.

Again... Bruschi was never even hurt the prior year, and played in the Super Bowl and the Pro Bowl. So no matter what YOU think the 'stipulations' should be - it doesn't matter.The funny thing is the last time Brees won this award, he never really 'came back' from anything. Don't you have to 'be somewhere' to come back from 'there'?

I didnt realize that. If thats the case, then I agree Brees is eligible. Although its a ######ed award then

He wasn't hurt the prior year - but he DID miss half the season of 2005 due to his potentially career threatening injury. Brees missed exactly one game while "suffering" adversity.Brees is eligible, but he will not win - don't worry, you know what the award is for - and it is not for players in Brees' situation.

 

[Marc Levin]

QB Carson Palmer [ 5 ] [4.95%] QB Drew Brees [ 35 ] [34.65%] TE Kellen Winslow Junior [ 10 ] [9.90%]

IMO, these people are

 

[Aussie Cowboy]

These two

I'm not sure I've ever seen two less likely looking footballers.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

How many games did Drew Brees miss last year?

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

How many games did Drew Brees miss last year?

How many did former winner Tedy Bruschi miss the prior season when he won? NONE.

 

[Liquid Tension]

This should be a three or four horse race....

Sometimes I wonder what the people on these boards are thinking? How can a guy who threw for 3500 yards be eligible for comeback player? Comeback signifies a guy who barely played last year or really stunk last year.

 

[Borat]

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As I have said repeatedly, Brees and Palmer won't be considered for this award - except maybe by some talking heads.

The award is actually for overcoming unusual or extreme adversity to play at a high level (paraphrasing, but that is pretty close to the terminology used)

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For the record:"The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance."

Unless someone wants to argue that the Brees and Palmer injuries weren't "severe," it is pretty clear that both of these gentlemen qualify for consideration. I'm not saying that one of these guys will definitely end up winning (although it wouldn't surprise me), but it's ridiculous to say that they "won't be considered for this award - except maybe by some talking heads."

 

[pantagrapher]

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As I have said repeatedly, Brees and Palmer won't be considered for this award - except maybe by some talking heads.

The award is actually for overcoming unusual or extreme adversity to play at a high level (paraphrasing, but that is pretty close to the terminology used)

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For the record:"The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance."

Unless someone wants to argue that the Brees and Palmer injuries weren't "severe," it is pretty clear that both of these gentlemen qualify for consideration. I'm not saying that one of these guys will definitely end up winning (although it wouldn't surprise me), but it's ridiculous to say that they "won't be considered for this award - except maybe by some talking heads."

The injuries were severe, but seldom is an injury as career threatening these days as it made out to be. Medical advances have allowed player after player after player to come back and have success after a serious injury. I'm just not as impressed with the "miraculous comeback" anymore. We've seen Robert Edwards come back from a near-deadly leg injury; we've seen Tedy Bruschi come back from a stroke; this year alone we've seen Brees, Palmer, Walker, Green, and many others come back and have success after sensational injuries. I'm not saying these injuries aren't serious and that there aren't guys like Terrell Davis and Jamal Anderson who don't come back, but I'm just not shocked anymore when a guy does come back.

I'm personally more impressed these days by a guy like Travis Henry--a top player who for several reasons fell out of favor, whose career was essentially over, and who clawed his way back to the top when given one last shot. It's more of an underdog story. And everyone loves an underdog.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Time will tell guys, however it makes for a spirited debate.

I understand where everybody's coming from - but I still fail to understand how Brees's last victory of this award falls into the criteria stated above.

 

[Borat]

Time will tell guys, however it makes for a spirited debate.I understand where everybody's coming from - but I still fail to understand how Brees's last victory of this award falls into the criteria stated above.

Do you not consider Brees's injury to have been serious, or does he fall out of consideration for you because he didn't miss any games? Or is it something else?

 

[Marc Levin]

Didn't miss very many games, didn't have as far to come back - you folks advocating Brees keep missing that point:

Brees did not come back from further down than Deuce, Henry and Green. Therefore, Henry, Green and Deuce came back FURTHER from just as severe (or more) adversity.

Brees and Palmer won't warrant any serious consideration when Green, Henry and Deuce are available for the award.

Also, Borat, please read the rest of my posts before snipping a piece out of one of them.

 

[Marc Levin]

Time will tell guys, however it makes for a spirited debate.I understand where everybody's coming from - but I still fail to understand how Brees's last victory of this award falls into the criteria stated above.

Do you not consider Brees's injury to have been serious, or does he fall out of consideration for you because he didn't miss any games? Or is it something else?

reading comprehension down?

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

bump

 

[BGP]

its a ######ed award

Exactly

 

[BGP]

Didn't miss very many games, didn't have as far to come back - you folks advocating Brees keep missing that point:Brees did not come back from further down than Deuce, Henry and Green. Therefore, Henry, Green and Deuce came back FURTHER from just as severe (or more) adversity.Brees and Palmer won't warrant any serious consideration when Green, Henry and Deuce are available for the award.Also, Borat, please read the rest of my posts before snipping a piece out of one of them.

I have a question -- why are you so interested in this award? People don't even seem to agree on the definition of awards like this. The only thing an award like this does is frustrate people and makes people angry at each other because you can't ever come to a definitive answer about any point you might make. Its not like arguing over who will win the super bowl because usually you have a clear super bowl winner and the arguement is settled at that point. No, debates over obscure awards like this have no end. Why do it? What's it good for?

 

[lord_helmet]

To me Brees isn't a comeback player, he didn't miss time and he didn't suck. For my money this award belongs to Javon Walker all the way!

 

[mad sweeney]

I voted Deuce. He's had a greeat season after coming back from a serious injury AND in the shadow of a Heisman winning media darling rookie. All on a feel good media darling team. Before his injury he propelled the winner of my league through the championship game (not relevant to the award but shows where he had to come back to) and just got lost in all the hype for Bush. What's he done? 1200 total yards and 10 TDs (vs Green's 1200/5) and he's doing it on a team with a QB throwing for almost 4500/26. That's production no matter how you look at it.

i don't diagree with adding Brees and Palmer into the mix. I don't think you have to miss any games to come back from something. Just like Brees didn't have to have a high standard to "come back" to in the first place when he won it 2years ago. If your career is threatened with an injury then you're eligible (not the only criteria of course) and both of them fit that bill. Just like there are lots of candidates for MVP, most of them are just that, candidates. Brees and Palmer deserve to be in the running but there's no way they'll win.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I forget what I voted earlier, but if the Jets do indeed make the playoffs, I think it would be Chad Pennington.

I don't really consider Brees eligible since he didn't really miss any time last season. Just my opinion.

 

[Santa Fe Trail]

1. Jeff Garcia - Were there even three people on this board that though he could still play after watching him throwing passes in Detroit and Cleveland that would get a high school qb benched. Not only was Garcia written off for dead, so were the Eagles. Hopefully the votes aren't in already.

2. Chad Pennington - Two rotator cuff surgeries for a guy with a weak arm to start with and now just the Raiders stand in the way of a playoff berth.

3. Ahman Green - His injury sounded more severe than a torn ACL. If I'm wrong, then toss him in the mix with the Deuce behind the QBs.

I wouldn't give the award to guys coming back from relatively common injuries. Nice stories, but not award worthy. Steve Smith a couple years ago wasn't much of a surprise comeback in my eyes. Hearst (1st micro-fracture surgery, Bryant Young (titanium rod in leg), Bruschi (stroke), or guys completely written off like Flutie and Tommy Maddox are what should be acknowledged. I'm not surprised at all that Henry is still a good RB three years off a 1300 yard season and just 28 years old.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

If the voters don't think Brees and Palmer are worthy of a vote - then I think the hand's down winner should be: Jeff Garcia

He's put the Eagles on his back and he's carrying them to the playoffs. His QB rating, his TD/INT ratio and his W-L record are all phenomenal.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Are we talking about the same Pennington that has thrown 16 TD's and 16 INT's this season? Okay, I guess coming back from those surgeries to be an average QB is pretty good, but I would prefer to see someone win it who has come back to excel.

 

[Despyzer]

That's fine. I don't get this award then

Dang! And I really thought you were gonna win it too.

 

[Borat]

Didn't miss very many games, didn't have as far to come back - you folks advocating Brees keep missing that point:

Brees did not come back from further down than Deuce, Henry and Green. Therefore, Henry, Green and Deuce came back FURTHER from just as severe (or more) adversity.

Brees and Palmer won't warrant any serious consideration when Green, Henry and Deuce are available for the award.

Marc, no offense, pal, but if you seriously think Brees and Palmer "won't warrant any serious consideration" for this award, you are kidding only yourself. Rather than continue to argue that point, I'll just sit back and wait for the voting to come in. It absolutely blows me away that you don't think Brees and/or Palmer will finish in the top handful of players for this award.

Also, Borat, please read the rest of my posts before snipping a piece out of one of them.

I did read your posts. I thought I made that clear by putting the "..." both before and after the part of your text that I quoted.

 

[Borat]

Time will tell guys, however it makes for a spirited debate.

I understand where everybody's coming from - but I still fail to understand how Brees's last victory of this award falls into the criteria stated above.

Do you not consider Brees's injury to have been serious, or does he fall out of consideration for you because he didn't miss any games? Or is it something else?

reading comprehension down?

My reading comprehension, or yours? My quote, again:

"The player named Comeback Player of the Year shows perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance."

Unless someone wants to argue that the Brees and Palmer injuries weren't "severe," it is pretty clear that both of these gentlemen qualify for consideration. I'm not saying that one of these guys will definitely end up winning (although it wouldn't surprise me), but it's ridiculous to say that they "won't be considered for this award - except maybe by some talking heads."

Do you not consider Brees's injury to have been serious, or does he fall out of consideration for you because he didn't miss any games? Or is it something else?

So again, I ask: Do you not consider Brees's injury to have been serious, or does he fall out of consideration for you because he didn't miss any games? Or is it something else?

 

[Despyzer]

So again, I ask: Do you not consider Brees's injury to have been serious, or does he fall out of consideration for you because he didn't miss any games? Or is it something else?

He said "Brees' last victory of this award" meaning the last time Brees won it, which was just a couple years ago. Brees wasn't injured prior to winning that award, so questioning the severity of the injury leads Marc to believe you weren't understanding what he wrote.

 

[Colin Dowling]

If the Eagles win the NFC East, it should be Garcia in a walk. Not to say that the other folks aren't as deserving or more, but which story line would have seemed the least probable to you preseason?

1. "Ahman Green is going to rush for 1,000 yards."

2. "Chad Pennington is going to lead the Jets to the playoffs."

3. "Travis Henry will rush for 1200 yards."

4. "Kellen Winslow will catch 70 passes."

5. "Jeff Garcia will lead the Eagles to the NFC East title."

I would have paused at #1, barely blinked at the next 3, and called you a nut for writing #5 because Garcia was a bad quarterback for two seasons in a row wherein he claimed that he could still play and almost everyone watching football thought he was washed up. If he takes that job 2 or 3 weeks sooner, he's in the Pro Bowl over Bulger and possibly Romo.

Colin

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

This just in:

Chad Pennington won the AP Comeback Player of the Year.

He was second in our voting, so we're not complete idiots.

 

[Gr00vus]

Filling in for an injured player sometime after week 8 won't trump the seasosn long accomplishments of Henry, Green and Deuce.I really think those are your top three candidates, and noone else will be seriously considered.

I went with Henry myself.In real life, Drew Brees will win this award. I meant Pennington - yeah Pennington.

 

[Kiddnets]

If the Eagles win the NFC East, it should be Garcia in a walk. Not to say that the other folks aren't as deserving or more, but which story line would have seemed the least probable to you preseason?1. "Ahman Green is going to rush for 1,000 yards."2. "Chad Pennington is going to lead the Jets to the playoffs."3. "Travis Henry will rush for 1200 yards."4. "Kellen Winslow will catch 70 passes."5. "Jeff Garcia will lead the Eagles to the NFC East title."I would have paused at #1, barely blinked at the next 3, and called you a nut for writing #5 because Garcia was a bad quarterback for two seasons in a row wherein he claimed that he could still play and almost everyone watching football thought he was washed up. If he takes that job 2 or 3 weeks sooner, he's in the Pro Bowl over Bulger and possibly Romo.Colin

You wouldn't have blinked at #2? I'm a Jet fan and would have been shocked with #2 before the season! Gotta give Chad his props!

 

[Marc Levin]

Congrats to Pennington! I think he deserves the award, even though he wasn't one of my top-3 choices.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

It's always good to see NFL players that were injured, or cast aside come back in a big way.

I still think Garcia was a more worthy choice, as he has REALLY sucked the past few years, and he too led his team to the playoffs, a division title, and I think his numbers are better than Pennington's.

 

[-OZ-]

Travis Henry or Pennington are more inline with what I perceive the award to be. I'll go with Henry.

At least I had the right idea. The logic behind giving it to Penny instead of Henry is sound. I just made the wrong pick of the two.

 

[harryhood]

It's always good to see NFL players that were injured, or cast aside come back in a big way.I still think Garcia was a more worthy choice, as he has REALLY sucked the past few years, and he too led his team to the playoffs, a division title, and I think his numbers are better than Pennington's.

maybe all but the stat of "games played"