NFL Games on TV (1 Viewer)

[DinkinFlicka]

With all this new technology (HD, Skycams, etc) why can't fans of the NFL get games shown from angles that show the whole play? I personally wish I could get to see WRs and CBs play each snap, to see what is really going on. It would be nice to see a team run a Cover 2 instead of having to take people's word for it. These are the types of things that you just can't see on TV unless you get some special replay angle. We are stuck watching the offensive line and defensive line create a pocket for the QB on the most crucial plays of the game most of the time, yet nobody complains. Most fans don't really know who all the lineman are anyways and if they pay that much attention and understand terms like 3 technique and B gap they will probably enjoy seeing 22 players move together. These games are filmed from multiple angles, so the footage is there. Think of all the programming on TV that supplements the NFL. From ESPN, FoxSports, NFL Network. Then you have magazines, websites, radio shows, all dedicated to educating and discussing the league. However the actual games are edited for viewers for no good reason? Who is actually watching the games that they analyze from a good angle to really make these determinations? Every week in the NFL the league sends each team tape of every game played the previous week from 2 different angles where the whole play can be seen. Does anyone know how I can get that footage? Why aren't more people pointing this out? Would fans of the NBA be happy if every time the ball went into the post the camera just showed the paint area only? That is basically what happens on a lot of passing plays, you get a zoom in of the pocket then the camera follows the ball which is moving so fast you can't see anything until it finally approaches the WR, who's route you don't really know. There is just not enough understanding of the game because people don't actually get to see the games really. Yet the NFL does not want TD celebrations, so are they selling the game for what it is or making it entertainment? They make all these rules to protect QBs and they show them in the pocket from a bad angle, that's really what the NFL is about. Why not use either a wide angle like people at the stadium would get to see basically or on over the top behind the QB camera like video games use. This way people will be able to see what the QB is seeing, afterall doesn't the NFL push QBs down our throat anyways as it is? There needs to be some kind of support for a company to offer the games from strategic angles for fans that actually want to see how NFL games really play out. How many people out there have spent hundreds on fancy TVs and HD packages? Now they got 3 remotes with 120 buttons each and multiple DVR screens to navigate, wouldn't it be nice if you could just select the camera angle you wanted to watch the game from? And wouldn't it also be nice if you could just turn off idiots like Gumble 2 Gumble and listen to the players on the field and crowd noise? Most people probably won't even care, they watch 1 game a week of "their" hometown team and live and die with that. They think they follow the whole league or a good amount of it, but really they follow boxscores and stat trackers. I personally think it's stupid that I can't see a Champ Bailey or a Ty Law operate every play, instead I get tons of close ups of Tony Romo and get to hear about who he's dating and how he's the next Bret Favre despite 0 playoff wins and 1 Bill Buckner like blunder. Do any other "FootballGuys" agree that this is a big problem? Who decided this is how football should be shown?

 

[bullitt]

wow.

 

[pimptastic69]

That's a long paragraph.

Sounds too "gimmicky". Kind of like whe Fox put the fire/laser thing on the puck a few years back. I'd bet DirecTv could offer a PPV package like that, though. They do it for NASCAR.

 

[WisWolvrns]

I 100% agree. If the NFL Network really wants to take off, they should televise the games from different angles.

Maybe it has something to do with seeing the games in person... who knows. At any rate, the director chooses what you see all game long...

The NFL should move toward technology to allow the user change their view of the play like you say instead of trying to get superbowls in Britain...

The whole talking heads and booth interviews really has the game itself taking a back burner unless a TD or turnover happens... and it's quite frustrating.

 

[3C's]

Why not go with the "sky cam" view during live action and use close up cameras for replays?

 

[BobbyLayne]

With all this new technology (HD, Skycams, etc) why can't fans of the NFL get games shown from angles that show the whole play? I personally wish I could get to see WRs and CBs play each snap, to see what is really going on. It would be nice to see a team run a Cover 2 instead of having to take people's word for it. These are the types of things that you just can't see on TV unless you get some special replay angle. We are stuck watching the offensive line and defensive line create a pocket for the QB on the most crucial plays of the game most of the time, yet nobody complains. Most fans don't really know who all the lineman are anyways and if they pay that much attention and understand terms like 3 technique and B gap they will probably enjoy seeing 22 players move together. These games are filmed from multiple angles, so the footage is there. Think of all the programming on TV that supplements the NFL. From ESPN, FoxSports, NFL Network. Then you have magazines, websites, radio shows, all dedicated to educating and discussing the league. However the actual games are edited for viewers for no good reason? Who is actually watching the games that they analyze from a good angle to really make these determinations? Every week in the NFL the league sends each team tape of every game played the previous week from 2 different angles where the whole play can be seen. Does anyone know how I can get that footage? Why aren't more people pointing this out? Would fans of the NBA be happy if every time the ball went into the post the camera just showed the paint area only? That is basically what happens on a lot of passing plays, you get a zoom in of the pocket then the camera follows the ball which is moving so fast you can't see anything until it finally approaches the WR, who's route you don't really know. There is just not enough understanding of the game because people don't actually get to see the games really. Yet the NFL does not want TD celebrations, so are they selling the game for what it is or making it entertainment? They make all these rules to protect QBs and they show them in the pocket from a bad angle, that's really what the NFL is about. Why not use either a wide angle like people at the stadium would get to see basically or on over the top behind the QB camera like video games use. This way people will be able to see what the QB is seeing, afterall doesn't the NFL push QBs down our throat anyways as it is? There needs to be some kind of support for a company to offer the games from strategic angles for fans that actually want to see how NFL games really play out. How many people out there have spent hundreds on fancy TVs and HD packages? Now they got 3 remotes with 120 buttons each and multiple DVR screens to navigate, wouldn't it be nice if you could just select the camera angle you wanted to watch the game from? And wouldn't it also be nice if you could just turn off idiots like Gumble 2 Gumble and listen to the players on the field and crowd noise? Most people probably won't even care, they watch 1 game a week of "their" hometown team and live and die with that. They think they follow the whole league or a good amount of it, but really they follow boxscores and stat trackers. I personally think it's stupid that I can't see a Champ Bailey or a Ty Law operate every play, instead I get tons of close ups of Tony Romo and get to hear about who he's dating and how he's the next Bret Favre despite 0 playoff wins and 1 Bill Buckner like blunder. Do any other "FootballGuys" agree that this is a big problem? Who decided this is how football should be shown?

Better, and it didn't even take long.BTW

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

NFL Network should show the coaches tape (end zone camera angle) of one or two games per week. Would be awesome.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

Historically, televisions have been fairly small. When I grew up in the 70's a 19" set was pretty big. Clearly, televisions have gotten bigger and in the last few years some people have wide aspect ratio HD televisions. However, the networks need to broadcast an angle that will work for a wide range of their viewers. My take is that there is still a reasonable big chunk of viewer with sub 30" televisions. So the network continues to broadcast in the traditional way with a focus on following the ball around the field.

My guess is in the next five to ten years viewers will have more choice and be able to get multiple options for viewing. Oh, and it might come with an additional price tag.

 

[VonRomig]

Historically, televisions have been fairly small. When I grew up in the 70's a 19" set was pretty big. Clearly, televisions have gotten bigger and in the last few years some people have wide aspect ratio HD televisions. However, the networks need to broadcast an angle that will work for a wide range of their viewers. My take is that there is still a reasonable big chunk of viewer with sub 30" televisions. So the network continues to broadcast in the traditional way with a focus on following the ball around the field. My guess is in the next five to ten years viewers will have more choice and be able to get multiple options for viewing. Oh, and it might come with an additional price tag.

The size of one's TV has nothing to do with the broadcast, how much a veiwer can see, or why the network handles it's style of showing the game. It's all solely on the shoulders of the director. He places the cameras and determines what view is sent to the audience in live-time.Von Romig

 

[Class Dismissed]

The NFL should implement broadcasting standards the next time it negotiates it's deal with the networks.

They turn their product over to the networks who in turn, hire the jabbering jackasses who the NFL's player conduct policy is designed to curtail, to comment on the NFL's product.

They compress their HD Signals to the point it blurs the picture when they shoot their annoying graphics over the product.

And they are only Innovative in Big Games.

 

[Bri]

Historically, televisions have been fairly small. When I grew up in the 70's a 19" set was pretty big. Clearly, televisions have gotten bigger and in the last few years some people have wide aspect ratio HD televisions. However, the networks need to broadcast an angle that will work for a wide range of their viewers. My take is that there is still a reasonable big chunk of viewer with sub 30" televisions. So the network continues to broadcast in the traditional way with a focus on following the ball around the field. My guess is in the next five to ten years viewers will have more choice and be able to get multiple options for viewing. Oh, and it might come with an additional price tag.

The size of one's TV has nothing to do with the broadcast, how much a veiwer can see, or why the network handles it's style of showing the game. It's all solely on the shoulders of the director. He places the cameras and determines what view is sent to the audience in live-time.Von Romig

I thought it was a good post. He's right TVs have develloped like alot of technology has, since they started showing games to a large large LARGE audience in the 70s.

 

[Bri]

The NFL should implement broadcasting standards the next time it negotiates it's deal with the networks.They turn their product over to the networks who in turn, hire the jabbering jackasses who the NFL's player conduct policy is designed to curtail, to comment on the NFL's product.They compress their HD Signals to the point it blurs the picture when they shoot their annoying graphics over the product.And they are only Innovative in Big Games.

I don't have HD to know about that but I think you're right and the big games are usually done better

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

The whole talking heads and booth interviews really has the game itself taking a back burner unless a TD or turnover happens... and it's quite frustrating.

Couldn't have said it better myself.Under NO circumstances do I want to see the booth (Unless it's the end of the 'period' (LOL Gumble) or halftime). I can't tell you how many times I yelled at the screen this year during MNF because they ignored a flag or a substitution relevant to what's going on to go to the booth. Football sells itself and is a cash cow, who has ever tuned in to see the MNF booth interview or the stupid halftime production and actually became football fans because of it? It's time they cater to their lifeblood: the actual fans.

 

[NEUPJ]

Even an easier solution would be to frame all the games for wide screen and instead of showing 10 yards behind the RB in HD, move the camera so you can see more of the defense. A lot of TV shows are already broadcast letterboxed in SD, people should be used to it by now. When iN-HD did this for baseball games a few years back it made so much of a difference.

 

[Bri]

OP They have one shot to get a play on video. I'm pretty confident that the audience wants them to follow the ball. Pretty sure that for replay calls we need them to follow the ball too.

Aaron's suggestion about the coach's tape on the NFLN replay would be cool but if I'd seen the game. But one example, I'd want to see the WRs dogging it on blocks but if I miss the RB bursting thru the whole up the middle, tossing some DT like he's a rag doll I wouldn't be pleased.

If they zoom out to catch all the players, when we need them to zoom in near the sideline to see if the WRs toes are in bounds, will they be able to get a good enough shot of that from the existing video? Maybe we need PIP?

One angle I always wanted was behind the defender when a RB is juking.

 

[Bri]

OP,

Do you play Madden? or did you play that ESPN game a couple years back? Any camera views from that you'd like?

Something we can look at to say "yeah that'd be a good view" or not?

 

[Jene Bramel]

NFL Network should show the coaches tape (end zone camera angle) of one or two games per week. Would be awesome.

I would to have the option to watch a/any/every game in All-22.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Yes I have played Madden, and the normal camera view is basically what I am talking about. It would need to be slightly wider to show the outside WRs fully.

Seeing all 22 players is what I want too. The camera doesn't need to follow the ball if the angle is wide, because the ball will always be in the shot. As for sideline catches and what not, of course that would be shown zoomed in with replays. The game happens so fast that even with the angles now half the time you can't tell without a replay as it is. Another reason not to follow the ball is that the camera man often bites on play fakes and you end up missing the play anyways.

If you wonder how the game would look from wide angles check out NFL Matchup on ESPN because they show a ton of footage from wide angles.