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This one is covered in the CBA. First offense gets you in the substance abuse program. Second offense gets you a 4-game suspension. Third strike you are subject to a year suspension and must successfully complete the rehab portion of the program to get reinstated (thus the indefinitely part). This has nothing to do with Goodell. This policy has been around for quite a while.

 
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Maybe you have missed the last couple of years where Roger Goodell is making DAMN sure this isn't the freaking N B A.
Doesn't seem like he's doing a very good job then. Every year there seems to be more stories of NFL players breaking the law compared to NBA players.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5604682

This is completely illogical. NFL is Crazy - How do you get suspended indefinitely for substance abuse but only 4 weeks for PEDs. They shouldn't even be testing for that in the NFL.
The suspension isn't based on what you do wrong, but how many times. He has multiple drug tests and also has had other off the field issues.

BTW, the Union negotiated and signed off on the amount of discipline that can be given based on the offenses and number of those offenses.

The NFL has to test for drugs of all kinds, otherwise Congress would pull their anti trust exemption.

Any employer have the right to test their employees for illegal drugs, even your employer.

 
This one is covered in the CBA. First offense gets you in the substance abuse program. Second offense gets you a 4-game suspension. Third strike you are subject to a year suspension and must successfully complete the rehab portion of the program to get reinstated (thus the indefinitely part). This has nothing to do with Goodell. This policy has been around for quite a while.
1rst-free pass2nd-play times over3rd- you deff have a major malfunction
 
Maybe you have missed the last couple of years where Roger Goodell is making DAMN sure this isn't the freaking N B A.
Doesn't seem like he's doing a very good job then. Every year there seems to be more stories of NFL players breaking the law compared to NBA players.
Considering that there are 53 men on an NFL football team and (I think) 12 on an NBA team, my guess is that the % still goes in favor of the NBA employing more thugs than the NFL. However, it really is just a matter of semantics - idiots that have far more $ than intelligence. Off my soap box......
 
as noted, the indefinitely part has to do with the frequency of the violations, not relative severity.

which is why it is hard to feel much sympathy for jackson if the recent test was accurate*.

* already had a four game suspension on his resume...

 
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as noted, the indefinitely part has to do with the frequency of the violations, not relative severity.which is why it is hard to feel much sympathy for jackson if the tests were accurate.
It should be noted that he gets a much better deal than I would if I failed a drug test at work.
You get drug tested at work? How is that legal?
Pretty common in a large handful of industries. Were you joking :goodposting:
 
as noted, the indefinitely part has to do with the frequency of the violations, not relative severity.which is why it is hard to feel much sympathy for jackson if the tests were accurate.
It should be noted that he gets a much better deal than I would if I failed a drug test at work.
You get drug tested at work? How is that legal?
Pretty common in a large handful of industries. Were you joking :goodposting:
??I don't think I've ever had a job where I wasn't drug tested upon initiation of employment. Pretty common stuff, pee in a cup and donate some hair.
 
as noted, the indefinitely part has to do with the frequency of the violations, not relative severity.which is why it is hard to feel much sympathy for jackson if the tests were accurate.
It should be noted that he gets a much better deal than I would if I failed a drug test at work.
You get drug tested at work? How is that legal?
Pretty common in a large handful of industries. Were you joking :confused:
??I don't think I've ever had a job where I wasn't drug tested upon initiation of employment. Pretty common stuff, pee in a cup and donate some hair.
Wow. America sucks. Land of the free?
 
You get drug tested at work? How is that legal?

Pretty common in a large handful of industries. Were you joking :confused:

??

I don't think I've ever had a job where I wasn't drug tested upon initiation of employment. Pretty common stuff, pee in a cup and donate some hair.

Wow. America sucks. Land of the free?

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Not doing drugs is a decision, just like doing them is a decision. One is a bad decision, one is good. I have no issues with the work place testing for drugs.

 
Wow. America sucks. Land of the free?
You're free to choose your line of work, employers are free to choose to test their employees for drugs. If you don't like the terms of employment then don't work there. I don't see anything unamerican in that.
 
Wow. America sucks. Land of the free?
You're free to choose your line of work, employers are free to choose to test their employees for drugs. If you don't like the terms of employment then don't work there. I don't see anything unamerican in that.
Sorry if I hit a nerve, just strikes me as weird employers would impose drug testing as a condition of employment. Based on the replies it seems there is no real choice for employees unless they choose to work in a different industry. That doesn't seem like a good fit for an economy, organizations or individuals in my opinion. I don't do drugs and I'm not American, just surprised.If that is the culture then the Jackson suspension makes a lot more sense, it seems in line to discipline him as an employee for something completely unrelated to his performance which will only harm his team, himself and the league as a whole.
 
Wow. America sucks. Land of the free?
You're free to choose your line of work, employers are free to choose to test their employees for drugs. If you don't like the terms of employment then don't work there. I don't see anything unamerican in that.
Sorry if I hit a nerve, just strikes me as weird employers would impose drug testing as a condition of employment. Based on the replies it seems there is no real choice for employees unless they choose to work in a different industry. That doesn't seem like a good fit for an economy, organizations or individuals in my opinion. I don't do drugs and I'm not American, just surprised.If that is the culture then the Jackson suspension makes a lot more sense, it seems in line to discipline him as an employee for something completely unrelated to his performance which will only harm his team, himself and the league as a whole.
Nope, didn't hit a nerve. One could argue that drugs do affect perfomance but even if they don't drugs can have a negative affect on public relations. Football is entertainment and if you get the reputation as being a league of drug addicts, criminals, thugs, etc. you are going to turn off fans and even worse advertisers. This can certainly lead to harm to the team and league.The bottom line is that playing football in the NFL is a privilege. It is prestigous and you can make a lot of money doing it. If you want to be part of the league you have to follow its rules and part of that is drug testing.
 
I just hope the NBA doesn't turn into the NFL. With all of the arrests and drug habits of the pros, I challenge somebody to do a report on which players get caught doing more things wrong based on the number of players ratio.

 
Wow. America sucks. Land of the free?
You're free to choose your line of work, employers are free to choose to test their employees for drugs. If you don't like the terms of employment then don't work there. I don't see anything unamerican in that.
Sorry if I hit a nerve, just strikes me as weird employers would impose drug testing as a condition of employment. Based on the replies it seems there is no real choice for employees unless they choose to work in a different industry. That doesn't seem like a good fit for an economy, organizations or individuals in my opinion. I don't do drugs and I'm not American, just surprised.If that is the culture then the Jackson suspension makes a lot more sense, it seems in line to discipline him as an employee for something completely unrelated to his performance which will only harm his team, himself and the league as a whole.
Nope, didn't hit a nerve. One could argue that drugs do affect perfomance but even if they don't drugs can have a negative affect on public relations. Football is entertainment and if you get the reputation as being a league of drug addicts, criminals, thugs, etc. you are going to turn off fans and even worse advertisers. This can certainly lead to harm to the team and league.

The bottom line is that playing football in the NFL is a privilege. It is prestigous and you can make a lot of money doing it. If you want to be part of the league you have to follow its rules and part of that is drug testing.
But we only know because they told us. I can understand suspensions for arrests but why are they actively seeking this stuff out. Meanwhile PEDs get a lighter treatment.
 
But we only know because they told us. I can understand suspensions for arrests but why are they actively seeking this stuff out. Meanwhile PEDs get a lighter treatment.
They have the drug policies to satisfy congress and the public they are taking active measures to keep their league clean.
 
But we only know because they told us. I can understand suspensions for arrests but why are they actively seeking this stuff out. Meanwhile PEDs get a lighter treatment.
They have the drug policies to satisfy congress and the public they are taking active measures to keep their league clean.
Unless PEDs are the issue here, Mr. Goodell doesn't have to suspend Jackson on my account.
 
But we only know because they told us. I can understand suspensions for arrests but why are they actively seeking this stuff out. Meanwhile PEDs get a lighter treatment.
They have the drug policies to satisfy congress and the public they are taking active measures to keep their league clean.
What public? That is equivalent to a Arista Records drug testing their artists. I think that PEDs should be the only thing they are concerned about b/c it compromises the integrity of the game. I think it's insane that doctors and lawyers (who have other people's livelihood in their hands) don't get tested but atheletes do.
 
Why hasn't Braylon been suspended yet? Getting arrested is far worse for the reputation of the league than something that we only know about becuase hte league meddled and then told.

 
But we only know because they told us. I can understand suspensions for arrests but why are they actively seeking this stuff out. Meanwhile PEDs get a lighter treatment.
They have the drug policies to satisfy congress and the public they are taking active measures to keep their league clean.
What public? That is equivalent to a Arista Records drug testing their artists. I think that PEDs should be the only thing they are concerned about b/c it compromises the integrity of the game. I think it's insane that doctors and lawyers (who have other people's livelihood in their hands) don't get tested but atheletes do.
If Arista Records thought that their sales were being hurt because their artists were perceived as drug addicts then maybe they would test them. Then again Arista Records doesn't have advertisers and antitrust exemptions to worry about either.The NFL cares deeply about PR and image. You may not agree with it but they feel that having a drug testing policy helps that image.

 
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Why hasn't Braylon been suspended yet? Getting arrested is far worse for the reputation of the league than something that we only know about becuase hte league meddled and then told.
The case is pending. Unless Edwards can prove that he wasn't drunk I can guarantee you that he'll be suspended.
 
But we only know because they told us. I can understand suspensions for arrests but why are they actively seeking this stuff out. Meanwhile PEDs get a lighter treatment.
They have the drug policies to satisfy congress and the public they are taking active measures to keep their league clean.
What public? That is equivalent to a Arista Records drug testing their artists. I think that PEDs should be the only thing they are concerned about b/c it compromises the integrity of the game. I think it's insane that doctors and lawyers (who have other people's livelihood in their hands) don't get tested but atheletes do.
If Arista Records thought that their sales were being hurt because their artists were perceived as drug addicts then maybe they would test them. Then again Arista Records doesn't have advertisers and antitrust exemptions to worry about either.The NFL cares deeply about PR and image. You may not agree with it but they feel that having a drug testing policy helps that image.
So you think people are refusing to patronize the NFL b/c of its image. My point is neither industry's sales are hurt by stuff like this. If anything it adds to the storyline.
 
Maybe you have missed the last couple of years where Roger Goodell is making DAMN sure this isn't the freaking N B A.
Doesn't seem like he's doing a very good job then. Every year there seems to be more stories of NFL players breaking the law compared to NBA players.
Let's see 32 - 53 player rosters and 30 - 12 player rosters. You do the math.
Pretty sure the NFL still has a higher ratio and NFL players seem to get into bigger trouble compared to NBA players.
 
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I can't believe it hasn't been mentioned yet that NFL teams invest millions in their players; even the lesser ones - all of whom are signed to contracts (and yes, some with "out clauses" - I know). Meanwhile MOST of us "regular people" are not.

Bottom line - we die using blow or crashing cars - whatever - everyone laments our loss, says what a great guy (or gal) we were and life goes on. The NFL however takes a PR hit (Rog hates PR hits) AND that team's ownership takes a loss on the multi-million dollar contract unless there was that out.

Think about it. Like it or not there is more at stake here when an NFL'er repeatedly proves he has a drug problem and needs to pull his [crap] together.

Finally, digging a ditch or writing software - whatever - might require teamwork or a certain level of brains, but it sure doesn't require a ton of sobriety when push comes to shove. The NFL however, is a business where continuity, reliability and a certain performance level can be the difference between life and death; free joint movement (NO PUN INTENDED!) and paralysis or simply teammates - human beings mind you - NOT using drugs suffering really painful and relatively annoying rehabilitations all because some punk who could have the world by the balls and live a life us "regulars" can only dream of couldn't stay relatively sober over the course of his relatively brief NFL career - all while pulling in more money than many of us will see over the course of our lifetime. Guy makes a misstep in practice or a game, someone else suffers, the team suffers, hell, the player might suffer ($$$).

I have used certain drugs in my time. I still use certain drugs and I drink regularly - I have low morals as it pertains to having a good time. That said, IF I was an NFL player I would lock my [crap] down for ten years, play my [rear] off and party the rest of my days after my career expired.

It's really not that freaking complex. The guy had a privelege. He was given three strikes. He's out. Bye bye.

 
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Why hasn't Braylon been suspended yet? Getting arrested is far worse for the reputation of the league than something that we only know about becuase hte league meddled and then told.
The case is pending. Unless Edwards can prove that he wasn't drunk I can guarantee you that he'll be suspended.
:tinfoilhat: DUI / Alcohol related incidents fall under the substance abuse program, negotiated in the CBA. If he isn't in the program, he'll get no suspension, but enter the program. Doesn't make much sense to me... seems more like a personal conduct policy issue than substance abuse, but that's the way it falls in the NFL at this time.
 
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I can't believe it hasn't been mentioned yet that NFL teams invest millions in their players; even the lesser ones - all of whom are signed to contracts (and yes, some with "out clauses" - I know). Meanwhile MOST of us "regular people" are not.Bottom line - we die using blow or crashing cars - whatever - everyone laments our loss, says what a great guy (or gal) we were and life goes on. The NFL however takes a PR hit (Rog hates PR hits) AND that team's ownership takes a loss on the multi-million dollar contract unless there was that out.Think about it. Like it or not there is more at stake here when an NFL'er repeatedly proves he has a drug problem and needs to pull his [crap] together. Finally, digging a ditch or writing software - whatever - might require teamwork or a certain level of brains, but it sure doesn't require a ton of sobriety when push comes to shove. The NFL however, is a business where continuity, reliability and a certain performance level can be the difference between life and death; free joint movement (NO PUN INTENDED!) and paralysis or simply teammates - human beings mind you - NOT using drugs suffering really painful and relatively annoying rehabilitations all because some punk who could have the world by the balls and live a life us "regulars" can only dream of couldn't stay relatively sober over the course of his relatively brief NFL career - all while pulling in more money than many of us will see over the course of our lifetime. Guy makes a misstep in practice or a game, someone else suffers, the team suffers, hell, the player might suffer ($$$).I have used certain drugs in my time. I still use certain drugs and I drink regularly - I have low morals as it pertains to having a good time. That said, IF I was an NFL player I would lock my [crap] down for ten years, play my [rear] off and party the rest of my days after my career expired.It's really not that freaking complex. The guy had a privelege. He was given three strikes. He's out. Bye bye.
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So you think people are refusing to patronize the NFL b/c of its image. My point is neither industry's sales are hurt by stuff like this.
Yes I do. I have a buddy on my softball team that is a cop and has season tickets to the Penguins. He offered to take me to a Penguins game and so I offered to take him to a Steelers game. He turned me down saying he doesn't watch the NFL anymore because it is a league of thugs and drug addicts.Another guy I play softball with owns a BBQ place and he markets his sauces via an agreement with Ben Roethlisberger. One of his biggest moneymakers was selling Big Ben products through school fundraisers. Obviously sales were pretty bleak last spring.

The NFL absolutely cares about it's image and the image of their players. Negative press can have an impact their fan base and their advertisers.

 
Why hasn't Braylon been suspended yet? Getting arrested is far worse for the reputation of the league than something that we only know about becuase hte league meddled and then told.
The case is pending. Unless Edwards can prove that he wasn't drunk I can guarantee you that he'll be suspended.
:no: DUI / Alcohol related incidents fall under the substance abuse program, negotiated in the CBA. If he isn't in the program, he'll get no suspension, but enter the program. Doesn't make much sense to me... seems more like a personal conduct policy issue than substance abuse, but that's the way it falls in the NFL at this time.
Well if this is the case then it is stupid. Edwards should face more punishment from the team and/or league than just not getting the start in a game.ETA: I wonder how the Steelers got away with suspending Santonio Holmes for a game a couple of years ago when he was arrested for smoking pot.

In any case the Jets could have made him inactive this week.

 
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Why hasn't Braylon been suspended yet? Getting arrested is far worse for the reputation of the league than something that we only know about becuase hte league meddled and then told.
Tenard was busted at least a month ago...and was just suspended two days ago. There are some rumors he was busted in the spring even.It takes a while to get thru the red tape.
 
The case is pending. Unless Edwards can prove that he wasn't drunk I can guarantee you that he'll be suspended.
Edwards doesn't have to prove anything. The prosecution has to prove he was drunk.
True. But I am guessing the results of the breath-analyser test that showed Edwards had two times the permissible level of alcohol in his system and the fact that Edwards had admitted that he had been drinking is going to make the prosecution's case pretty easy.
 
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The NFL's policy is simply a reflection of the twisted values of our society. I think the NFL would be better off doing what many companies do and at least for recreational drugs have a random drug testing policy but rarely use it. Would be less bad publicity for them. It's not like players are immediately banned from the league for getting caught though. They have many chances so I feel less sympathy for them than the average Joe on the street who gets busted.

 

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