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NFL Labor Pains, Parts 1-6 (1 Viewer)

Noticed a few stories on PFT where fans could potentially take action. Someone with better knowledge of the situation please explain to me why NFL cities with stadiums built thanks to millions of taxpayer dollars can't attempt to press owners toward a deal being made instead of a lockout, with the potential of a lawsuit on the horizon recouping millions lost by the city due to a lack of football games.Any potential there?
Mainly because most (if not all) of those taxpayer approved stadiums were:A) Voted on by the peopleB) Structured in such a way that as long as the owners make good on their interest and principal payments, there is no recourse into how the owners conduct their business.
 
"The NFLPA's statements and conduct over the course of the last 20 months plainly establish that it does not intend to engage in good faith collective bargaining with the NFL after the CBA expires or otherwise meet its obligations under Section 8(d) of the Act, and that it instead will pursue its goals on behalf of the players by pretending to disclaim interest as their Section 9(a) representative and then sue the NFL under the antitrust laws. The union's strategy amounts to an unlawful anticipatory refusal to bargain."
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Goodell speaks out....(from NFP)

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell wrote a column about the labor crisis surrounding the league with the collective bargaining agreement set to expire.Talks aren't off to a good start with the owners cancelling one bargaining session and filing a complain with the National Labor Relations Board against the NFL Players Association.Here's what Goodell wrote in the column, which was released to newspapers around the country, and is posted on the NFL's labor website: It's headlined: "THE TIME HAS COME TO MAKE A DEAL""One of the best NFL seasons in history is now over. We salute NFL players for their extraordinary talent and we deeply appreciate the tremendous support of the fans.""The hard work to secure the next NFL season must now accelerate in earnest. We are just weeks from the expiration of our collective bargaining agreement. There has been enough rhetoric, litigation and other efforts beyond the negotiating table. It is time for serious negotiations.""The current agreement expires on March 4, and I cannot emphasize enough the importance of reaching agreement by then. If we as a league — the teams and players’ union — fail to fulfill our shared responsibility to the fans and game, everyone will be worse off — players, teams and fans — starting in March.""This is an opportunity to create a better future for the NFL, to improve the game for our fans, and to expand the economic benefits for the players and teams.""Staying with the status quo is not an option. The world has changed for everyone, including the NFL and our fans. We must get better in everything we do.""The union has repeatedly said that it hasn’t asked for anything more and literally wants to continue playing under the existing agreement. That clearly indicates the deal has moved too far in favor of one side. Even the union’s president knows this — as he said on national radio on January 27: “I think what really happened is in 2006 we got such a great deal. I mean, the players got a good deal and the owners felt they got it handed to them.”"We need an agreement that both sides can live with and obtain what they need, not simply what they want.""Today’s collective bargain agreement does not work as it should from the standpoint of the teams. If needed adjustments are made, the NFL will be better for everyone. The first step is making sure a new collective bargaining agreement is more balanced and supports innovation and growth.""The NFL clubs want to move forward, improve the system, and secure the future of the game for the benefit of players, fans and teams.""The status quo means no rookie wage scale and the continuation of outrageous sums paid to many unproven rookies. In 2009, for example, NFL clubs contracted $1.2 billion to 256 drafted rookies with $585 million guaranteed before they had stepped on an NFL field. Instead, we will shift significant parts of that money to proven veterans and retired players.""The status quo means 16 regular-season and four preseason games — even though fans have rejected and dismissed four preseason games at every opportunity. We need to deliver more value to our fans by giving them more of what they want at responsible prices. This can be achieved if we work together and focus on more ways to make the game safer and reduce unnecessary contact during the season and in the off-season.""The status quo means failing to recognize the many costs of financing, building, maintaining and operating stadiums. We need new stadiums in Los Angeles, Minneapolis, San Francisco, Oakland and San Diego; and the ability for more league investment in new technology to improve service to fans in stadiums and at home.""The status quo means players continuing to keep 60 percent of available revenue, in good years or bad, no matter how the national economy or the economics of the league have changed. From 2001 to 2009, player compensation doubled and the teams committed a total of $34 billion to player costs. The NFL is healthy in many respects, but we do not have a healthy business model that can sustain growth.""Companies with far more revenue than the NFL have gone bankrupt because they mismanaged their costs and failed to address their problems before they became a crisis. The NFL has a track record over many decades of making good decisions that have led to unprecedented popularity. Negotiating a fair agreement will result in billions in pay and benefits to current players, improved benefits for retired players, and a sustainable business model for our teams.""The current deal does not secure the best possible future for the game, players, clubs and fans. The next few weeks must be used to negotiate with intensity and purpose so we can reach a fair agreement by March 4. If both sides compromise and give a little, everyone will get a lot, especially the fans."
 
The status quo means players continuing to keep 60 percent of available revenue, in good years or bad, no matter how the national economy or the economics of the league have changed. From 2001 to 2009, player compensation doubled and the teams committed a total of $34 billion to player costs. The NFL is healthy in many respects, but we do not have a healthy business model that can sustain growth
This and the 1billion vs 2 billion off the top is all that matters.
 
Drew Bress was on Sirius yesterday and said that the union has always had access to the books on revenue. The owners have said claimed the current agreement puts undue burden on them because it doesn't cover their escalating costs. The union has responded by saying that if the owners show them the books on the escalating costs that the union would be willing to renegotiate. Thus far, the owners have refused to do so, which seems suspicious.

If the owner's real gripe is that they gave the players too much in the last agreement then the owners should just say so.

 
IMO, the blame for what's going on is 80-20 against the owners. Honestly, it downright ticks ms off that the NFL would have the cajones to walk out o negotiations and cancel them for the next day and then file suit against the NFLPA for "nor bargaining in good faith.". This coming from the side that claims poor but won't open their books.

I think that the owners not only desire a lockout, but have intentionally sabotaged the negotiations in order to insure one. If even if one game of football is missed, THAT will 100% be on the owners.

I started off about 50/50 on this thing with may even a slight lean towards the owners, but their conduct has been deplorable.

And I'm tired of hearing from the owners about how the last CBA was so bad. The negotiating team agreed to it and then rammed it down the throats of the other owners saying it was a good agreement. And now almost that exact same group is involved with the current negotiations. What a joke that crew is.

Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft and Jerry Richarson can go fly a kite. Those guys don't care a bit about the fans. It's all about the bottom line and saving face with the other owners after botching the last agreement.

 
And I'm tired of hearing from the owners about how the last CBA was so bad. The negotiating team agreed to it and then rammed it down the throats of the other owners saying it was a good agreement. And now almost that exact same group is involved with the current negotiations. What a joke that crew is. Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft and Jerry Richarson can go fly a kite. Those guys don't care a bit about the fans. It's all about the bottom line and saving face with the other owners after botching the last agreement.
:kicksrock: IMO the whole problem lies between the haves and have-nots in the owner group. The rift in the ownership group was there when the last CBA was negotiated and nothing has been done to resolve that problem. Now the rich owners are trying to shift the blame and responsibility for the plight of the poor owners on to the players. We keep hearing about the current business model that won't work for the owners, but I haven't seen any evidence presented to the public to confirm or explain what the problem is. By all appearances, the league has done just fine with the current CBA in place.
 
"Packers officials said Wednesday that the team posted an operating profit of $9.8 million in the fiscal year that ended March 31, down from $20.1 million the previous year. The team has been in a slide since posting an operating profit of $34 million four years ago."

This is a successful franchise. If yearly profits are dropping from 34 million 4 years ago to ~10M, how much longer until they're losing money. This co-relates with the last agreement. Now, we also have to account for the recession as well, but the players haven't had their salaries go down over the ensuing recession. In any event, if there is no football, I'll find something else to do. Will I miss it? Hell yeah I'll miss it, but I won't cry a river over it.

 
"Packers officials said Wednesday that the team posted an operating profit of $9.8 million in the fiscal year that ended March 31, down from $20.1 million the previous year. The team has been in a slide since posting an operating profit of $34 million four years ago."This is a successful franchise. If yearly profits are dropping from 34 million 4 years ago to ~10M, how much longer until they're losing money. This co-relates with the last agreement. Now, we also have to account for the recession as well, but the players haven't had their salaries go down over the ensuing recession. In any event, if there is no football, I'll find something else to do. Will I miss it? Hell yeah I'll miss it, but I won't cry a river over it.
Well, their profits could also have dropped because of increased capital expenses as well. Hasn't Green Bay done some renovations to the stadium and done some other building in the area? Those expenses would decrease the net profit in the short run, even though it would increase them long run and increase the value of the franchise.That's precisely why the players want to actually see the books of the owners so that they can verify if the claims made by the owners are legit or not. The fact that the owners keep telling them that expenses are so high and profits low, but won't let the union look at the books to verify that claim is EXTREMELY suspicious I think. The union seems to think so as well.
 
Some detail about the Packers finances here:

http://joe.bowman.net/Statement.htm

Wish we could see more detail about player costs.
There's plenty of info on player costs. Tons of it, in fact. We know the amount of the salary cap each year, and the amount of the salary floor each year. USAToday has an online database that lists salary information for each team and each player. Even in this past year, profootballtalk ran a list of every team's salary totals.Owner complaints about rampant player costs are disengenuous. Player costs are capped each year as a percentage of revenue. Every year that player salaries go up is because league revenue has gone up, meaning the owners just got more money than they had the year before, too.

The owners have two different problems:

1) bad business decisions resulting in spiraling non-player costs, most notably those associated with stadium construction and renovation.

New stadium construction is continuing with self-financing now that the public is no longer interested in raising taxes to build their profit generators; Jerry Jones spent over $600M of his own money on his new stadium, and the Jets and Giants completely self-financed the New Meadowlands stadium to the tune of $1.6 Billion!!! Another source of a team's debt load is from the acquisition of the team itself, where the owner didn't really have the money for it but borrowed the money thinking that the NFL revenue would still gain them huge profits. Some of them just made bad business decisions. The Dolphins allegedly Forbes"]lost over $7M in '09, thanks largely to $400M of debt on their books.

2) an increasing disparity in revenue generation among teams, causing some teams to not make as much profit as they used to.

I've been running the numbers in a spreadsheet, looking at attendance, ticket prices, luxury box and club seat availability, stadium naming rights, etc., etc. NFL clubs' gameday revenue in 2010 varied from the Cowboys bringing in approximately $180 Million, down to the lowly Oakland Raiders with a little less than $50 Million. That's on top of all the shared revenue from TV broadcasts, internet, merchandising, licensing, etc., etc., which adds another $195M per team. So team revenues varied from a high of $375M to a low of $245M. If that disparity keeps up, the low revenue teams are going to cut costs as much as possible, leading to an inferior product on the field. It's not a coincidence that the four worst teams in the NFL last year record-wise (Carolina, Denver, Cincinnati, and Buffalo) all were among the 10 lowest player payrolls.

Some owners aren't making as much money as they used to, partly because they made bad business decisions, and partly because of the recession, and partly because they are stuck in a city with a bad, old stadium and there's no public support to build them a new stadium and guaranty them millions in profits from favorable lease terms. Boo #######' hoo. The one thing the NFL owners absolutely knew, for years in advance, was the percentage of revenue assigned to the players, and the revenue projections from broadcast rights and their current stadium situations.

I think what some of the owners are most angry about is that they are making, on average, say $33M in profit at the end of the year (according to Forbes), per team. Most owners are only majority owners instead of owning the team outright, so they only get a portion of that. Then they look at a couple players on their team who are making as much as them, and that rankles. They aren't used to that. They players, after all, are their employees. It's a blow to their ego. And they look at how many players' waste that money and end up bankrupt two years out of the league, and their minds reel even more. They know they could put that money to better use.

And, who knows, they may have a point. But it's pretty disengenuous of them to argue that they aren't making enough money when their being limited to only $33M is largely from their own decisions. If they are really hurting for money, they can go sell their franchise for 5 times what they paid for it to another billionaire.

 
"The NFLPA's statements and conduct over the course of the last 20 months plainly establish that it does not intend to engage in good faith collective bargaining with the NFL after the CBA expires or otherwise meet its obligations under Section 8(d) of the Act, and that it instead will pursue its goals on behalf of the players by pretending to disclaim interest as their Section 9(a) representative and then sue the NFL under the antitrust laws. The union's strategy amounts to an unlawful anticipatory refusal to bargain."
It's now two weeks to "X Date" and less than one week to the 23rd, which marks the franchise tag deadline and the supposed on-set of the combine.Bargaining has ceased and the lock out of the players by the Owners (Part #7) is, at least from where I sit, a virtual certainty.

The Antitrust note was buried in the above post and it reminded me of the basis for the player's claims.....that the NFL is a monopoly and the restriction of player's rights is unlawful.

I've always been of the opinion that this CBA series of issues would boil down to that claim and that Congress and the courts would decide the issue.

This type of a scenario accounts for Smith's activities in Washington. He's lobbying the political arena for support in the fight against the evil empire.

 
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Hopefully it is positive, however the mediation is setup simply as an independent voice with no ability to enforce a settlement

 
Hopefully it is positive, however the mediation is setup simply as an independent voice with no ability to enforce a settlement
The operative from the Mediator is "silence" for all parties, as in a media gag order; don't expect a lot of news for the duration of this process.The good news is that the mediator has a history of being real good at what he does. If there's any light at the end of the tunnel for this to be settled by March 4th, the Mediator brings that hope.....which is not much. :tumbleweed:
 
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I think what some of the owners are most angry about is that they are making, on average, say $33M in profit at the end of the year (according to <a href="http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/30/football-valuations-10_NFL-Team-Valuations_Rank.html" target="_blank">Forbes</a>), per team. Most owners are only majority owners instead of owning the team outright, so they only get a portion of that. Then they look at a couple players on their team who are making as much as them, and that rankles. They aren't used to that. They players, after all, are their employees. It's a blow to their ego.
Alternatively, if you think of how much money owners invest in the franchise, they think about what else they could do with the money. There are a lot of other things that compete for their dollars (lending to governments, funding new businesses, et al.). If I'm getting squeezed in one industry, I'll leave it for a better deal. It's pretty simple. A 30 million return on 600 million dollars (a 5 percent return, for example) isn't exactly that high, I'm guessing. I wouldn't doubt their return is actually a lot lower than that, on average. The notion that owners may profit a lot in nominal terms misses out on the larger picture: If owners don't make enough money in an industry there's no reason for them to stay in it.

 
I think what some of the owners are most angry about is that they are making, on average, say $33M in profit at the end of the year (according to <a href="http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/30/football-valuations-10_NFL-Team-Valuations_Rank.html" target="_blank">Forbes</a>), per team. Most owners are only majority owners instead of owning the team outright, so they only get a portion of that. Then they look at a couple players on their team who are making as much as them, and that rankles. They aren't used to that. They players, after all, are their employees. It's a blow to their ego.
Alternatively, if you think of how much money owners invest in the franchise, they think about what else they could do with the money. There are a lot of other things that compete for their dollars (lending to governments, funding new businesses, et al.). If I'm getting squeezed in one industry, I'll leave it for a better deal. It's pretty simple. A 30 million return on 600 million dollars (a 5 percent return, for example) isn't exactly that high, I'm guessing. I wouldn't doubt their return is actually a lot lower than that, on average. The notion that owners may profit a lot in nominal terms misses out on the larger picture: If owners don't make enough money in an industry there's no reason for them to stay in it.
But getting out requires a sucker who will take the lower return - or sell at a loss (or lower than your book value on which you calculate your return on capital deployed) so his return is higher
 
I think what some of the owners are most angry about is that they are making, on average, say $33M in profit at the end of the year (according to <a href="http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/30/football-valuations-10_NFL-Team-Valuations_Rank.html" target="_blank">Forbes</a>), per team. Most owners are only majority owners instead of owning the team outright, so they only get a portion of that. Then they look at a couple players on their team who are making as much as them, and that rankles. They aren't used to that. They players, after all, are their employees. It's a blow to their ego.
Alternatively, if you think of how much money owners invest in the franchise, they think about what else they could do with the money. There are a lot of other things that compete for their dollars (lending to governments, funding new businesses, et al.). If I'm getting squeezed in one industry, I'll leave it for a better deal. It's pretty simple. A 30 million return on 600 million dollars (a 5 percent return, for example) isn't exactly that high, I'm guessing. I wouldn't doubt their return is actually a lot lower than that, on average. The notion that owners may profit a lot in nominal terms misses out on the larger picture: If owners don't make enough money in an industry there's no reason for them to stay in it.
But getting out requires a sucker who will take the lower return - or sell at a loss (or lower than your book value on which you calculate your return on capital deployed) so his return is higher
Different people have different opportunities for profit, whether due to differing amounts of wealth, knowledge, entrepreneurial savy, physical proximity, barriers to enter that market, etc. So just because I have better opportunities to invest my $500 million than you do, doesn't mean you're a sucker to take my offer to sell the team. In fact, it may be the absolute best thing you can do under the circumstances.Of course, in equilibrium -- where everyone has all the same opportunities, has the skills to take advantage of them equally, and so forth -- then yes, there is no profit to be made.

 
This Article (Owners' TV Deal In Court) is from the McClatchy News Service in Tacoma, WA:

With millions of people glued to NFL games on TV every fall weekend, the league’s broadcast rights are worth billions of dollars – even if the ongoing labor dispute with the players’ union wipes out the 2011 season.

The union contends more than $4 billion in TV, digital and wireless revenue was carved out by the owners as a financial cushion in case of a lockout, and they want that money escrowed so it can’t be held as leverage against them in collective bargaining talks.

The NFL argues it shrewdly maximized the revenue for all to share back in 2009 and 2010, and that lockout protection has been a normal part of broadcast contracts – the league’s economic engine – for years.

The two sides took their fight before a federal judge in Minneapolis on Thursday.

U.S. District Court judge David Doty in Minneapolis, who has had jurisdiction over NFL labor matters since 1993, did not rule on the matter, saying that he didn’t want to interfere with the collective bargaining process.

The league and union will resume mediation Tuesday, less than 72 hours before the old collective bargaining agreement is set to expire. The NFL has said, however, the deadline could be extended.

You can read more at: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/02/25/1559098/owners-tv-deal-in-court.html#ixzz1Exy3IoWc

The key here is the failure to rule....for now. If the two sides fail to reach an agreement through the CBP, that decision may be up for review.

 
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