NFL MVP (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

I voted for Brees. It was between Brees and Manning for me.

Chris Johnson, Favre, Rivers, and ADP were somewhat of a second tier to me.

Value-Big Ben, Ronnie Brown even Cribbs there's an easy argument for a slew of guys as being valuable.

I didn't see any impact by Johnson. He's an odd runner breaking so many long runs. I get impatient watching him because he's not better than Lendale, not better than Ringer, not better than...holy cow he's awesome! Sometimes he looks like he ran into a brick wall when a defender hits him at the LOS. He's just an odd runner.

To many the Titans probs were the defensive backfield starting street free agent rookie CB and another rookie CB and bringing in another rookie as their nickel. Finnegan's return, then Fuller was enormous. For me, Finnegan proved that he makes Hope and Griffin into pro bowlers. His ability to shut someone down gives them such freedom at Safety.

Anyhow the Titans secondary during those weeks was the worst I've ever seen an NFL team play tied with one when Plax and the Steelers did whatever they want to an injured Pats secondary. The only thing that stopped Moss from having 400 yards against the Titans was playcalling. It was....worst ever, really.

To others the prob was the QB. I still think Collins was far better in quarters 1-3 and Young was far better in the 4th Q. Also there is no way, absolutely no way that Young would have been a winning QB those bad weeks. I don't think Montana, Elway or Marino could have. BUT statistically I can see Young as MVP for the Titans. W-L record wise he probably needs to be up near the top for QBs. #5 QB for MVP?

Johnson was very good throughout. Where was the impact? I even hoped he could eat up the clock and give em' a chance when their secondary was throwing out the red carpet and he didn't. Then there's the Titans outstanding offensive line and offensive line coach. When the hole is so wide that Johnson can drive a car through it if he wanted to....I just don't see the Johnson MVP stuff. Awesome player, awesome season but where's the impact

 

[ScottyFargo]

Favre

Brett Favre

Brett Favre

If the MVP were decided like American Idol, it might cost a lot of $$ to keep making these votes at a buck per.

 

[Bri]

The same is probably true of Rivers and Brees, but I think they have a little more talent around them than Manning does.

you think wrong

Not a turner fan, I think Caldwell and Payton are eons better offensively. I'd give Rivers some credit for that I guess

 

[Tau837]

Interesting fact I ran across at ProFootballFocus tonight. Entering this week's games, Rodgers had had 45 passes dropped. For comparison, Rivers had had 22 dropped and Brees 20... don't remember the others, but the highest total I saw for another QB was 30.

I still don't think Rodgers should be ahead of Rivers, Manning, Brees, Favre in the MVP voting, but it just makes his season even more impressive.

 

[craxie]

all stats through week 17

Team Defense (total points)

IND 277

SDG 300

NOR 318

Team Defense (DVOA)

IND -1.1% (10th)

NOR 0.9% (13th)

SDG 8.8% (23rd)

Rushing Game (yards/attempt)

NOR 4.6

IND 3.6

SDG 3.3

Rushing Game (DVOA)

NOR 18.8% (1st)

IND 1.1% (14th)

SDG -9.0% (29th)

Please explain how Rivers has a better supporting cast than Manning

And even Brees has only a slight advantage at best.

Hardly like Manning is working with garbage as some people here try to portray

For the people that say 'Just look at how the Colts fell apart when Manning went out!!!1', it wasn't just Manning who went out. It has zero predictive power for how the Colts first string would look with any other semi-competent QB (say Trent Edwards)

Sacks Allowed

IND 12

NOR 20

SDG 25

I know some people try to say that last stat just proves how great Manning is at getting rid of the ball. That's BS. You can have such a huge margin over a bad QB like Painter, but to have such a huge margin over other elite QBs says that Indy's line is simply astounding at pass protection.

And even with such astounding pass protection, Manning still has worse stats than Brees and Rivers

 

[ScottyFargo]

Interesting fact I ran across at ProFootballFocus tonight. Entering this week's games, Rodgers had had 45 passes dropped. For comparison, Rivers had had 22 dropped and Brees 20... don't remember the others, but the highest total I saw for another QB was 30.I still don't think Rodgers should be ahead of Rivers, Manning, Brees, Favre in the MVP voting, but it just makes his season even more impressive.

I am not sold on the idea that all the drops are to be attributed solely to the WR. If Rivers and Brees drops are so low, and his are more than double what any body elses and 1/3rd higher than the worst, I have to wonder if he isn't breaking the WRs backs with passes that are accurate but lacking in precision. Why would the Green Bay WRs drop so many more balls than anyone else?

 

[Tau837]

Interesting fact I ran across at ProFootballFocus tonight. Entering this week's games, Rodgers had had 45 passes dropped. For comparison, Rivers had had 22 dropped and Brees 20... don't remember the others, but the highest total I saw for another QB was 30.I still don't think Rodgers should be ahead of Rivers, Manning, Brees, Favre in the MVP voting, but it just makes his season even more impressive.

I am not sold on the idea that all the drops are to be attributed solely to the WR. If Rivers and Brees drops are so low, and his are more than double what any body elses and 1/3rd higher than the worst, I have to wonder if he isn't breaking the WRs backs with passes that are accurate but lacking in precision. Why would the Green Bay WRs drop so many more balls than anyone else?

Well, my understanding is that drops are judged to be balls that should have been caught, and not all passes that a receiver gets his hand(s) on but does not catch are ruled drops. Not unlike how an official scorer rules on hits vs. errors in baseball. But someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that.As for why the Packers receivers dropped so many, keep in mind the fact that Rodgers has the most among QBs doesn't necessarily mean the Packers receivers have the most. Some teams used multiple QBs. Also, the Packers threw more often than many other teams, so if we looked at it like a percentage, perhaps it wouldn't be such a big gap.Regardless, the implication is that if Rodgers' receivers only dropped as many as Brees's receivers, since Brees and Rodgers had almost the same number of attempts entering this week, Rodgers would have had another 25 completions, a lot more yardage, and maybe a few more TDs... and maybe even fewer interceptions, if any of the drops were tipped into interceptions (I don't know if that is the case).I could definitely see the possibility that Brees (to continue the comparison) might throw a more accurate/precise ball, but it's hard for me to see that being responsible for this large a disparity.

 

[The Westin]

So no one thinks a 40 year old QB who had over 4000 yards, tied for 2nd in TDs (33), had the least ints out of starters who played 16 games (7), was 2nd in passer rating, and led his team to a 12-4 record deserves to be even considered for MVP?

It's a cute story and all, and ESPN sure eats it up. But who cares how old the guy is. Does his age make him more valuable?

 

[djcolts]

Will win: Peyton. As unfair as I think this method of showing value is (the difference between the starting QB and the backup), Curtis Painter probably locked up the award for Peyton.

Should win: I think if a QB should win - I've really been impressed with Rivers lately, and I've been a bit of a doubter (at least for MVP) until this month. OPOY should be Chris Johnson, but since the award is Most Valuable Player, and not Most Outstanding player (there is a difference in my mind), I can't give it to a player who was part of an 0-6 start. I don't want to dismiss the other QB candidates, but if Peyton doesn't win, I think Rivers should - he's played better than the other top QBs IMO.

 

[theglorydays]

If you break the yards from scrimmage record and are one of six backs in history to run for 2000 yards, I think you should be MVP.

 

[Crippler]

I voted Rivers. IN the end just a great season by him. As someone pointed out I think his RB, OL and D was the worst out of the guys in running

Why Chris Johnson is probably not the MVP of his team. Would that not be Vince YOung. Team was 0-6 with CJ to begin the season. Not until Young came in did things change for all including Johnson. No way he is even in the running. He was given every chance to beat the record this year. They basically went to 1 RB which is not normal in the NFL anymore.

Favre is in the running and will be a media darling. I think he will be a darkhorse and the last game and a half will be fresh on everyones mind and might help him over the top

Manning probably wins this but put me down as not deserving. He did not play that well this year in the end. Alot of picks. Always came up big though at crunchtime but his play let teams keep in games.

Brees is in the running with a great season also but where I put Favre last game and half as fresh, the last month for Brees has been pedestrian and will hurt him.

 

[Joe T]

1. Desean Jackson

2. Chris Johnson

3. Drew Brees

That should be the order if you are ranking the true "Most Valuable" Player.

 

[Hov34]

Not having Favre on this poll is silly and is probably done as a fishing trip anyway. While I would personally give it to Rivers or Manning ahead of him, he's very obviously on the short list of the top candidates.

You would be wrong . he is added now

You added him almost 2 hours after the poll started. Classy.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

With Woodson in the mix for Defensive MVP (I think it goes to Dummervil or Reevis), and with Mathews in the mix for Defensive Rookie, the Packers are a rare Team.

For the record I don't think Rodgers, Woodson, or Mathews come away with any hardware here, just nice to see them in the mix, even if it is the bottom of the mix.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I don't understand how Rodgers' name would be mentioned before Favre's, however.

Well, they are only one game different in the standings and their numbers are eerily similar. So, I don't understand why people think Favre is the clear pick over Rodgers. I think they're about even.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Johnson had a great year, but you can't be the MVP if your team doesn't even make the playoffs.

Then the award should be renamed MVP of 12 teams in the NFL.

 

[djcolts]

Johnson had a great year, but you can't be the MVP if your team doesn't even make the playoffs.

Then the award should be renamed MVP of 12 teams in the NFL.

If they renamed the award "Most Oustanding Player" that would make a huge difference. Then Chris Johnson would win in a landslide. One word changes everything.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Interesting fact I ran across at ProFootballFocus tonight. Entering this week's games, Rodgers had had 45 passes dropped. For comparison, Rivers had had 22 dropped and Brees 20... don't remember the others, but the highest total I saw for another QB was 30.I still don't think Rodgers should be ahead of Rivers, Manning, Brees, Favre in the MVP voting, but it just makes his season even more impressive.

I am not sold on the idea that all the drops are to be attributed solely to the WR. If Rivers and Brees drops are so low, and his are more than double what any body elses and 1/3rd higher than the worst, I have to wonder if he isn't breaking the WRs backs with passes that are accurate but lacking in precision. Why would the Green Bay WRs drop so many more balls than anyone else?

Well, my understanding is that drops are judged to be balls that should have been caught, and not all passes that a receiver gets his hand(s) on but does not catch are ruled drops. Not unlike how an official scorer rules on hits vs. errors in baseball. But someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that.As for why the Packers receivers dropped so many, keep in mind the fact that Rodgers has the most among QBs doesn't necessarily mean the Packers receivers have the most. Some teams used multiple QBs. Also, the Packers threw more often than many other teams, so if we looked at it like a percentage, perhaps it wouldn't be such a big gap.Regardless, the implication is that if Rodgers' receivers only dropped as many as Brees's receivers, since Brees and Rodgers had almost the same number of attempts entering this week, Rodgers would have had another 25 completions, a lot more yardage, and maybe a few more TDs... and maybe even fewer interceptions, if any of the drops were tipped into interceptions (I don't know if that is the case).I could definitely see the possibility that Brees (to continue the comparison) might throw a more accurate/precise ball, but it's hard for me to see that being responsible for this large a disparity.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[gigantor]

Chris Johnson

QBs who throw for 4000yds 28-35tds are a dime a dozen these days

 

[jonessed]

Quarterbacks are simply more valuable than Runningbacks, especially in an era where QBs and WRs are given such big advantages. I don't really see how the propensity for QBs to win MVP is really all that controversial. Johnson has been the best player this year, but he isn't the most valuable.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Still waiting for a Left Tackle or a Center to win this. The Center does, as they say for the Q.B.'s touch the ball on every play.

 

[ookook]

Still waiting for a Left Tackle or a Center to win this. The Center does, as they say for the Q.B.'s touch the ball on every play.

ABM.I will go Woodson (with admitted bias). 74 tackles and 9 INTs is amazing. And he is a darn good cover CB. Revis is more one-dimensional (and only has 47 and 6).But I think Defensive players are a lot more valueable than some people do (QB lovers all).

 

[jurb26]

Manning is almost a lock to win this.

 

[grateful zed]

farve

 

[radballs]

Manning.

 

[Tau837]

I will go Woodson (with admitted bias). 74 tackles and 9 INTs is amazing. And he is a darn good cover CB. Revis is more one-dimensional (and only has 47 and 6).

I posted these last week, so before Sunday's games:

You guys talking about Woodson as a MVP candidate (defensive MVP or league MVP) are off base IMO. He isn't even the best CB in the league, much less the DPOY or MVP. Revis has been much better this season:QB rating against: Revis 32.3, Woodson 54.6Catch percentage allowed: Revis 37.7%, Woodson 52.1%Yards allowed: Revis 409, Woodson 429Yards per catch allowed: Revis 10.2, Woodson 11.6TD passes allowed: Revis 2, Woodson 5Interceptions: Revis 6, Woodson 8Passes defensed: Revis 23, Woodson 7Penalties: Revis 3, Woodson 8Revis has been much better at everything coverage-related except interceptions, but he is still #3 in the NFL in that category.Aside from that, I think Rodgers is the Packers' MVP. If the team lost Rodgers, IMO there would be a more significant impact to the team in terms of wins and losses than if the team lost Woodson. Frankly, I don't think it's close, as great as Woodson has played this year.

Agree that some great CBs aren't thrown at much, which can make comparing difficult. However, this is not an issue for Revis and Woodson, who have been thrown at 106 and 71 times, respectively.Agree that scheme is an issue that is hard to compensate for in a comparison. Not sure what can be done about that. I don't claim to know how the Jets and Packers schemes are different and how that affects the responsibilities and statistics of Revis and Woodson. But I know the rate statistics favor Revis, and by a wide margin.Yes, Woodson leads in sacks, 2-0 and has about 20 more tackles (22 more tackles but 2 more missed tackles). Yes, a CB is responsible for more than just coverage, and to what degree can be scheme dependent, but I think coverage is the most important aspect of their jobs. And if a guy is capable of being a shutdown corner, coverage likely becomes the focal point of his job, as it can enable the rest of the defense to truly leave him on an island with his man... a huge advantage for a defense. So I don't think 2 sacks, 2 interceptions, and ~20 tackles makes up for everything else I posted above.

I know Woodson had a strong game Sunday, but so did Revis. I still think Revis has had the more impressive season.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Manning is almost a lock to win this.

I sure hope not. If the NFL is serious about looking into what they can do to prevent teams laying down at the end of the season, they better not vote for a guy that took the last two games off and washed a perfect season go down the toilet.I'd much rather see a guy who played 16 games and tried all season.

 

[The Kerminator]

Nice article why Rodgers should be considered:

PFW: Don't forget about Rodgers

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Manning is almost a lock to win this.

I sure hope not. If the NFL is serious about looking into what they can do to prevent teams laying down at the end of the season, they better not vote for a guy that took the last two games off and washed a perfect season go down the toilet.I'd much rather see a guy who played 16 games and tried all season.

I think it was pretty clear from Manning's facial expressions on the sideline that coming out of the game was not his idea.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Have to go with Manning, after all. it is the "regular season" MVP award

 

[ATC1]

If you break the yards from scrimmage record and are one of six backs in history to run for 2000 yards, I think you should be MVP.

If Chris Johnson doesn't win this award they should simply change the name to QB of the year award. Peyton deserves it if in a big way but CJ broke the yards from scrimmage record, end of discussion.

CJ earned it and he really is the most valuable player but because RBs rarely win it, it will be Peyton.

I really like Chris Johnson but I need to be sold on why his team who was only average this year at best should be MVP? I understand that they wouldn't be average without him, they'd be bad but when I think of MVP, I really don't think of a guy who plays on that kind of team. I think if the Titans were in the wild card or division champs then he'd have a shot, I really don't think it's because he's not a QB.I know he achieved 2000 yards, how have the other guys who earned 2000 faired in the MVP vote and what records did those teams have those years those Rb's got 2000 yards?

I know it's not broken down like this, but the Titans were one of the top teams the last 10 games of the season. I also agree with you as far as how voters will likely vote that record counts. All I'm saying is he was the best player this year and made the biggest difference for his team. Granted, I'm a homer.

For those picking CJ, if I told you that there was a QB last year that became only the 2nd QB in the history of the game that threw for over 5000, the team went 8-8, and he did not win MVP, would that change your mind?

 

[ClarkK]

I go for Payton Manning. Overall, he performed best when you look at the last season. The Colts had an amazing regular season and Manning was the guy who made that season possible. I was really into betting this time and very lucky but I think the success was also due to a quite good betting strategy. I already re-invested the few bucks I won - most of them into beer Really sad that Brett Favre is going to retire, he is still a great QB that can lead a team.

 

[zanti8]

in the end, it was brees , not manning imo