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It is way too high!
Correct it is a cap within the cap. My thought is that OP wants a set rookie wage scale as in the NBA. The problem that the union may have is that while the top 10-15 picks (especially the top 5) are inflated, it doesn't want take the money out the hands of its membership and trust that the owners will fairly distribute it throughout the membership. Another point is that the inflated rookie contracts give veterans an additional bargaining chip to work off of. The way the system currently works, there is little incentive for teams to remain bad for years. Eventually overpaying for relative high risk propositions causes any team who has a period of suckatude to place an additional strain on the salary cap. BTW, the money involved with the top picks in the draft is a large reason why teams don't trade up in the NFL draft. Giving up extra drafts picks for a player graded as A versus an A minus and getting opportunity to pay significantly extra money to do so rarely makes sense for the team moving up. See the Falcons and Giants as the most recent examples.Editted some of the grammar.
You do realize if they bust horribly they can just cut them right?
True. But since they may have given them $26 million in guaranteed money, the player gets it, regardless.
I agree with this figure if you restrict this to performing on the field. How many more outperform their contracts in terms of jersey sales or increased season ticket sales?The difference between the NFL and the NBA is that an NFL career is only 4 years on average, so a good chunk of NFL players will only sign one contract, and need to maximize that contract. In the NBA, top 10 drafted players will always sign a second or third contract.If I were running things, I'd probably get rid of the draft for the NFL, and let teams negotiate with players under a rookie salary cap. Maybe you let the teams that finished with poor records spend more money. This way there are no holdouts, and if a team likes a player enough, he'll almost always be able to sign him.
Out of all the free agent signings, how many actually outperform their contracts?
Those guys have paid their dues and performed in the league to get the FA dollars.
Players (and regular employees) don't get paid for past performance, but for expected future performance. Curtis Martin isn't about to sign a huge contract because he's paid his dues.
Curtis Martins career is over, they guys who command the big FA doallrs are guys who have "usually" performed well in this league. Kelly Washington only got 300K from the Pats because he really has not done much. That is a fair one year deal, he performs he will get a nice raise.Guys like Charles Rogers and Mike Williams banked 10-12 million just based on their draft postitons.Steve Smith is a good example, Smith was playing for the minimum, played well..got paid.I just think it is a flawed system.
If what you're trying to do is get vets more money, the last thing you want to do is put a salary cap on rookies. Why? Because otherwise the vets won't have any leverage to get more money.Higher salaries are better for all the players in the long run.
I'm not really sure what the flaw is. Drew Bledsoe's 100M contract was terrible for the Patriots. So was Vick's one for the Falcons. How's Favre's 100M deal looking right now? Joey Porter just signed a huge deal in Miami, same with Nate Clements in SF. Neither seems likely to be "worth it" in the long run. LaMont Jordan's big deal with the Raiders looked good for one year, then that's it. All types of players sign good and bad deals. I've got no reason to think that rookies do this at a worse rate than veterans, otherwise owners would pay rookies less or trade down in the draft under the assumption that the 20th pick is more valuable than the 10th. I don't see teams doing that.
Whose fault is that?
The system..the % is proably the same every yesr.
A rookie salary cap will not fix this. The only guaranteed money in the NFL is signing bonus money. I'm sure the NFLPA will not allow a limit on signing bonuses.
It's all Drew Rosenhaus' fault
Think we are talking about two different ideas. I was talking trading up to the top 5 position (number 1 more specifically) in NFL draft. Once a team gets to even pick 10 to 12 it is a very different game. I was probably not clear. The Falcons and Giants were the last two teams to trade up the very top of the draft. For this, the right to pay extra money for vick and Eli, both teams gave up extra draft picks. Multiple years later the team getting the picks (chargers) is better off than either the Giants or Falcons in terms of pure talent on its roster. In short, you are risking more by taking one player and pay more money to do so.
HaterRudeDog said:It's all Drew Rosenhaus' fault1huskerfan said:
