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NFL Policy on Anthem - What Do You Say? (2 Viewers)

What Do You Think Of NFL Policy Requiring Players To Stand Or Remain In Locker Room?

  • Love it

    Votes: 13 9.9%
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    Votes: 15 11.5%
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    Votes: 19 14.5%
  • Don't like it

    Votes: 32 24.4%
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    Votes: 52 39.7%

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Exactly. How many players are out protesting in front of police stations on their day off or over the summer? None. Because who wants to waste a day off doing that?
Perfect point. I've never seen or heard of any player protesting in front of a government building or police station. It's the owners business & if they don't like it they don't have to play. I hear all these players bashing the league & owners but they sure aren't turning down that pay check. And then you have Steve Kerr chiming in,  I guess he is a head coach of the sh@@y NBA. As if his opinion means anything, dope.

 
They also do not have an audience at this time.  A protest where no one sees it or knows about it isn't a very effective protest strategy.
True. But it seems a decent amount of people would show if cam Newton, LeBron James, jj Watt, or many other athletes would sponsor an event where they actually discuss the issues. 

 
There’s no job I know of where you can protest while you’re working. You don’t get to wave your protest sign on the Capitol steps while you’re clocked in at Jimmy John’s.

If 5, 10 or 100 players all organized protests together or in their cities on the same day with an organized agenda, the media would trip over each other to cover it. And America would strongly support their right to do so.

But again, that’s hard work and requires effort, on your days off. 
I get your point, but their job isn't the typical job, is it?  Do most people have 80,000 people that watch them work...live TV coverage with potentially millions of others watching?  They have a natural platform to reach the masses through their work.  

 
I get your point, but their job isn't the typical job, is it?  Do most people have 80,000 people that watch them work...live TV coverage with potentially millions of others watching?  They have a natural platform to reach the masses through their work.  
Which is why it's even more important that the employer makes the policies here.  Although we might have personal favorite players, it's the team people pay to watch. If the employer thinks these other activities are beneficial, great. If they don't want the employee to conduct themselves in that manner while on the clock, that's the right of management. Until the employee is off the clock.

 
They also do not have an audience at this time.  A protest where no one sees it or knows about it isn't a very effective protest strategy.
The only reason they have an audience to protest on Sundays is because their employer, NFL owners, created a league and gave them a place to play.  These owners also went out and got major TV deals, so the players could make millions of dollars.  Protesting is costing these TV companies millions of dollars, which is going to cost the NFL and it’s players millions of dollars.  If owners don’t want then protesting and costing everyone money, they won’t be protesting.  

We’re in America, if they aren’t happy with their bosses, they’re allowed to go form a competing league and kneel all they want.  Short of that, their options are to follow NFL policies or get a new job, which they more than likely won’t be allowed to protest at either.  I think the NFL handled the situation poorly, but it’s easy to see why they did what they did.  They were dumb to not end it swiftly and immediately, and now their viewership is down 20% over 2 years because of it.  NBA players have a voice without protesting during the anthem, NFL players would too if they wanted it.

 
I'm skeptical that the kneeling has had much of an impact, if any, on the bottom line. Ratings are down, sure, people just watch less tv nowadays. Nielsen ratings are down for just about everything

https://es.pn/2EjlEfG

You could look at the Nielsen data behind the ratings decline, and you'd find that, while viewership among older white men and women fell at an 8 percent clip, the decline among young black men and women was far more dramatic, dropping, respectively, 16 and 20 percent. White fans made up the majority of lost viewers because white fans make up the majority of people who watch the NFL, but the share of non-white fans walking away from the sport more than tripled this year.
 
There’s no job I know of where you can protest while you’re working. You don’t get to wave your protest sign on the Capitol steps while you’re clocked in at Jimmy John’s.

If 5, 10 or 100 players all organized protests together or in their cities on the same day with an organized agenda, the media would trip over each other to cover it. And America would strongly support their right to do so.

But again, that’s hard work and requires effort, on your days off. 


Perfect point. I've never seen or heard of any player protesting in front of a government building or police station. It's the owners business & if they don't like it they don't have to play. I hear all these players bashing the league & owners but they sure aren't turning down that pay check. And then you have Steve Kerr chiming in,  I guess he is a head coach of the sh@@y NBA. As if his opinion means anything, dope.
Last year Jenkins, Long and Smith went to the state capitol on a Tuesday morning after a Monday night game to discuss reforms with lawmakers.

http://www.pennlive.com/philadelphiaeagles/index.ssf/2017/10/3_philadelphia_eagles_head_to.html

 
I get your point, but their job isn't the typical job, is it?  Do most people have 80,000 people that watch them work...live TV coverage with potentially millions of others watching?  They have a natural platform to reach the masses through their work.  
It’s not “their” platform. It’s the teams’ platform. 

A friend of mine gave a good analogy. What if Al Michaels wanted to protest at every games he works by having a two-minute moment of silence at kickoff? No dialogue, just crickets. 

He would be fired. Maybe warned once, then fired. Employees can’t do whatever they want.

 
It’s not “their” platform. It’s the teams’ platform. 

A friend of mine gave a good analogy. What if Al Michaels wanted to protest at every games he works by having a two-minute moment of silence at kickoff? No dialogue, just crickets. 

He would be fired. Maybe warned once, then fired. Employees can’t do whatever they want.
I'm not disagreeing with your main point but that's a flawed analogy. The key element to Michaels' job is dialogue during the game. If he can't do that or doesn't do that he clearly isn't meeting the job requirements. The key elements to a player's job does not include standing for the anthem -as evidenced by this rule allowing them to remain in the locker room. 

If Aaron Rodgers decided his protest would include kneeling for the first few plays of the game (when he's on offense), that would be like Michaels silence. And would likely get 99% of players fired (though perhaps not Rodgers)

 
I'm not disagreeing with your main point but that's a flawed analogy. The key element to Michaels' job is dialogue during the game. If he can't do that or doesn't do that he clearly isn't meeting the job requirements. The key elements to a player's job does not include standing for the anthem -as evidenced by this rule allowing them to remain in the locker room. 

If Aaron Rodgers decided his protest would include kneeling for the first few plays of the game (when he's on offense), that would be like Michaels silence. And would likely get 99% of players fired (though perhaps not Rodgers)
You’re analogy is flawed too.  NFL players and owners are in the entertainment business.  Their true job is to make as much money as possible.  To do this, it requires winning games, but that the end of the day they’re in it to make money.  The owners think that kneeling is going to lose viewers, and therefore money so they reacted.  Their problem at this point is not reacting soon enough.  Now it’s a major issue all over sports and social media that will carry on for at least another season.  Had they acted like the NBA did 20 years ago, I think it would’ve died down a lot sooner, and they wouldn’t have lose 20% of their TV viewers.

 
You’re analogy is flawed too.  NFL players and owners are in the entertainment business.  Their true job is to make as much money as possible.  To do this, it requires winning games, but that the end of the day they’re in it to make money.  The owners think that kneeling is going to lose viewers, and therefore money so they reacted.  Their problem at this point is not reacting soon enough.  Now it’s a major issue all over sports and social media that will carry on for at least another season.  Had they acted like the NBA did 20 years ago, I think it would’ve died down a lot sooner, and they wouldn’t have lose 20% of their TV viewers.
Like I said, I didn't disagree with your point. But if someone asked you what are the core job requirements of a QB, would it include standing for the anthem?

 
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-OZ- said:
Like I said, I didn't disagree with your point. But if someone asked you what are the core job requirements of a QB, would it include standing for the anthem?
If standing for the anthem makes himself and his company more money, then yes.

 
Galileo said:
I get your point, but their job isn't the typical job, is it?  Do most people have 80,000 people that watch them work...live TV coverage with potentially millions of others watching?  They have a natural platform to reach the masses through their work.  
even if more than half the masses DONT want to see players protesting at the games they are paying to watch....seems counter productive IMO

 
If standing for the anthem makes himself and his company more money, then yes.
We'll just disagree here then. There are a lot of things that most of us do on a fairly routine basis that aren't core functions of our job. Doesn't mean we don't do them, but many businesses make reasonable accommodations for their employees. That said, I don't disagree that the business has a right to tell their employees to not do certain conduct at work. 

 

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