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NFLPA wants Draft Boycott (1 Viewer)

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Another big mistake by the players. Not only are they continuing to set themselves up as the bad guy in the court of public opinion, but they want the top draftees to forgo their dreamday.

Good luck with that one, and will just be the first step in dividing the player ranks.

 
Not only that but the one thing the player were willing to give the owners was a rookie wage scale not they want the rookies to help them.

 
If it's truly the NFLPA that's saying this, that is quite stupid. If the NFLPA is still taking an active role in matters related to the negotiations between the owners and players, that bodes well for the owners' argument that decertification was a sham.

Can someone provide a link?

 
Takes away some of the luster from the NFL's draft.

They may want to be very careful about interviewing a draftee that weekend, what he has to say may not be very becoming.

 
If it's truly the NFLPA that's saying this, that is quite stupid. If the NFLPA is still taking an active role in matters related to the negotiations between the owners and players, that bodes well for the owners' argument that decertification was a sham.

Can someone provide a link?
The NFL Players Association is in the process of blocking prospects from attending next month's NFL draft in New York.

The NFLPA has already contacted at least 17 top prospects and "informed them not to go" to Radio City Music Hall if they receive invitations to the April 28-30 draft. So when the No. 1 overall pick is announced, Roger Goodell would not hand him his jersey as is custom. It would continue to create an awkward feel in the football community. "As of right now, this is 100 percent happening," one source told ESPN's Adam Schefter. "This is going down"

 
I heard this also reported on ESPN.

No one in the public will think this is smart....absolutely no one.

 
If it's truly the NFLPA that's saying this, that is quite stupid. If the NFLPA is still taking an active role in matters related to the negotiations between the owners and players, that bodes well for the owners' argument that decertification was a sham.

Can someone provide a link?
The people who were part of the NFLPA cant talk? Pretty sure anyone can talk anyone else all they like.The players and agents will have to make up there own mind <<< The key difference.

 
These players are not even part of the NFLPA (until they actually sign their contracts with perspective teams). Simply college kids living out their dream. If I was one of these "kids", I'll tell the NFLPA to stick it where the sun don't shine. Ridiculous to try and even use these kids as pawns during a labor battle. The deal will get done (eventually)........whether these kids show up or not. This would achieve nothing, other making the NFLPA looking like a bunch of imbeciles. Let the guys have their day.

 
Gene Upshaw. Great player ####### executive director of the NFLPA. Maurice Smith? No idea as a player...another ####### executive director of the NFLPA.

 
Horrible PR move by the NFLPA. Any way you slice it, pressuring 22 or 23 year olds to not realize their dream moment in front of their immediate family comes off as incredibly petty and mean-spirited. Also it looks like the veterans are totally insensitive to the newest players entering the NFL.

A horrid idea to bully young men into foregoing the realization of everything they have worked for since junior high.

Shame on the NFLPA.

 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
If it's truly the NFLPA that's saying this, that is quite stupid. If the NFLPA is still taking an active role in matters related to the negotiations between the owners and players, that bodes well for the owners' argument that decertification was a sham.

Can someone provide a link?
The people who were part of the NFLPA cant talk? Pretty sure anyone can talk anyone else all they like.The players and agents will have to make up there own mind <<< The key difference.
Anyone can talk, but saying certain things has certain consequences. The NFLPA can talk, but if it says "We're not decertifying," it may present problems. If it says "We're still negotiating on behalf of the players," it may cause similar problems, for the same reason. If it says "We're asking potential draftees to boycott the draft," it may also cause similar problems for the same reason.Once the NFLPA is no longer representing the players, it's not supposed to do anything that smells like negotiating with the owners. Organizing a boycott smells like a negotiation tactic. It gives weight to the idea that decertification was a sham.

 
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If I were an incoming rookie, I might take a look at the impending rookie salary cap and advise both sides to stick their little draft.

 
Anyone can talk, but saying certain things has certain consequences. The NFLPA can talk, but if it says "We're not decertifying," it may present problems. If it says "We're still negotiating on behalf of the players," it may cause similar problems, for the same reason. If it says "We're asking potential draftees to boycott the draft," it may also cause similar problems for the same reason.Once the NFLPA is no longer representing the players, it's not supposed to do anything that smells like negotiating with the owners. Organizing a boycott smells like a negotiation tactic. It gives weight to the idea that decertification was a sham.
Seems like that would be an awfully cheap mistake.
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
If it's truly the NFLPA that's saying this, that is quite stupid. If the NFLPA is still taking an active role in matters related to the negotiations between the owners and players, that bodes well for the owners' argument that decertification was a sham.

Can someone provide a link?
The people who were part of the NFLPA cant talk? Pretty sure anyone can talk anyone else all they like.The players and agents will have to make up there own mind <<< The key difference.
Anyone can talk, but saying certain things has certain consequences. The NFLPA can talk, but if it says "We're not decertifying," it may present problems. If it says "We're still negotiating on behalf of the players," it may cause similar problems, for the same reason. If it says "We're asking potential draftees to boycott the draft," it may also cause similar problems for the same reason.Once the NFLPA is no longer representing the players, it's not supposed to do anything that smells like negotiating with the owners. Organizing a boycott smells like a negotiation tactic. It gives weight to the idea that decertification was a sham.
Excellent point.
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
If it's truly the NFLPA that's saying this, that is quite stupid. If the NFLPA is still taking an active role in matters related to the negotiations between the owners and players, that bodes well for the owners' argument that decertification was a sham.

Can someone provide a link?
The people who were part of the NFLPA cant talk? Pretty sure anyone can talk anyone else all they like.The players and agents will have to make up there own mind <<< The key difference.
Anyone can talk, but saying certain things has certain consequences. The NFLPA can talk, but if it says "We're not decertifying," it may present problems. If it says "We're still negotiating on behalf of the players," it may cause similar problems, for the same reason. If it says "We're asking potential draftees to boycott the draft," it may also cause similar problems for the same reason.Once the NFLPA is no longer representing the players, it's not supposed to do anything that smells like negotiating with the owners. Organizing a boycott smells like a negotiation tactic. It gives weight to the idea that decertification was a sham.
Well that's completely from left field.NFL players and agents could ask all of the incoming players to boycott without having to get into any of what you are discussing. You say "it", but it is really "they" - they other players and agents.

 
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'BigSteelThrill said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
If it's truly the NFLPA that's saying this, that is quite stupid. If the NFLPA is still taking an active role in matters related to the negotiations between the owners and players, that bodes well for the owners' argument that decertification was a sham.

Can someone provide a link?
The people who were part of the NFLPA cant talk? Pretty sure anyone can talk anyone else all they like.The players and agents will have to make up there own mind <<< The key difference.
Anyone can talk, but saying certain things has certain consequences. The NFLPA can talk, but if it says "We're not decertifying," it may present problems. If it says "We're still negotiating on behalf of the players," it may cause similar problems, for the same reason. If it says "We're asking potential draftees to boycott the draft," it may also cause similar problems for the same reason.Once the NFLPA is no longer representing the players, it's not supposed to do anything that smells like negotiating with the owners. Organizing a boycott smells like a negotiation tactic. It gives weight to the idea that decertification was a sham.
Excellent point.
Why would they ever do such a thing, considering they don't need to?
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'G-Money said:
kids "kids" kids kids
:confused:The players and agents will decide for themselves.
Why do you keep harping on this point. No one is disputing this fact that they can decide for themselves. However, they may be feeling the pressure of cooperating with the current vets in the NFL since soon they will be in the NFL and will have to work with these vets.
 
LOL at players who got theirs now suggesting to rookies that they not do likewise as the players, who have already gotten theirs, now are happy to see some of the rookies' compensation expectations move back to them.

Vets want the best of both worlds. Now that they are vets instead of rookies they find rookies overpaid and would be happy to see that money transfered to themselves while suggesting to the rookies that they should not only go along with this, but should actively participate in their boning by these vets.

 
So wait is there a union or not? If Im a college kid and I was going in the top15 Id tell em to get bent, I want my moment of glory.
The problem now is this, there will be no moment of glory even if the kid goes and gets called #1 overall. In the past the kid would have strutted to the stage, donned a cap after embracing the Commish, pranced and waived, and then been interviewed by fawning press about his own greatness and what he knows about the team he is going to. The player would have either practiced his cliche`s at that point or embarassed himself by taslking in the third person. Now it will play out differently. Now if the kid goes and gets picked the first question he will be asked about is whether he has alienated future teammates by attending the draft. The next question will be about whether he supports the union or not. No matter his answer the kid will hurt his marketability. ESPN will then cut to some player rep for their take on whether the kid will be welcomed by the vets on his new team.
 
So wait is there a union or not? If Im a college kid and I was going in the top15 Id tell em to get bent, I want my moment of glory.
The problem now is this, there will be no moment of glory even if the kid goes and gets called #1 overall. In the past the kid would have strutted to the stage, donned a cap after embracing the Commish, pranced and waived, and then been interviewed by fawning press about his own greatness and what he knows about the team he is going to. The player would have either practiced his cliche`s at that point or embarassed himself by taslking in the third person. Now it will play out differently. Now if the kid goes and gets picked the first question he will be asked about is whether he has alienated future teammates by attending the draft. The next question will be about whether he supports the union or not. No matter his answer the kid will hurt his marketability. ESPN will then cut to some player rep for their take on whether the kid will be welcomed by the vets on his new team.
And the final question will be about whether he thinks he'll have to foot the bill for a $58,000 dinner after his new teammates voted to reduce his 5 year earnings from $60+ million down to $19 million.
 
If I were an incoming rookie, I might take a look at the impending rookie salary cap and advise both sides to stick their little draft.
This whole series of comments appears to be ahead of the actual happenings.....good idea? Not a good idea?I'm thinking that this is going to get a lot more complicated than it appears on the surface, such as additional law suites filed and court proceedings ahead of the draft.

Q: As the Sherman Anti-Trust challenge rolls through the courts, what's to keep a request for an injunction against the rookie draft from being reviewed?

It's not a PR related move, it's a restriction of rights move that's in question.

I've read that the 2011 rookie draft is "grandfathered in" and that it will occure as scheduled. I'm not so sure that it'll come down to being as simple as that.

ADDED By Edit:

Here's information of the law suit challenging the rookie draft:

The NFL players' lawsuit in a U.S. district court is seeking declaration that the NFL draft violates antitrust laws.

Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock. The draft is just one of the many things the players' suit challenges, also including the franchise tag, the owners' forthcoming lockout, and probably restricted free agent tenders. All along, we've been under the assumption that the draft was the only thing set in stone for the 2011 offseason. Now, it's questionable whether it's going to happen.

Source: Liz Mullen on Twitter Mar 11, 8:40 PMPlayer Outlook

 
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So wait is there a union or not? If Im a college kid and I was going in the top15 Id tell em to get bent, I want my moment of glory.
The problem now is this, there will be no moment of glory even if the kid goes and gets called #1 overall. In the past the kid would have strutted to the stage, donned a cap after embracing the Commish, pranced and waived, and then been interviewed by fawning press about his own greatness and what he knows about the team he is going to. The player would have either practiced his cliche`s at that point or embarassed himself by taslking in the third person. Now it will play out differently. Now if the kid goes and gets picked the first question he will be asked about is whether he has alienated future teammates by attending the draft. The next question will be about whether he supports the union or not. No matter his answer the kid will hurt his marketability. ESPN will then cut to some player rep for their take on whether the kid will be welcomed by the vets on his new team.
You seriously think ESPN, a broadcast partner to the NFL, will have the first question to the #1 pick be about alienating his future teammates?
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
If it's truly the NFLPA that's saying this, that is quite stupid. If the NFLPA is still taking an active role in matters related to the negotiations between the owners and players, that bodes well for the owners' argument that decertification was a sham.

Can someone provide a link?
The people who were part of the NFLPA cant talk? Pretty sure anyone can talk anyone else all they like.The players and agents will have to make up there own mind <<< The key difference.
Anyone can talk, but saying certain things has certain consequences. The NFLPA can talk, but if it says "We're not decertifying," it may present problems. If it says "We're still negotiating on behalf of the players," it may cause similar problems, for the same reason. If it says "We're asking potential draftees to boycott the draft," it may also cause similar problems for the same reason.Once the NFLPA is no longer representing the players, it's not supposed to do anything that smells like negotiating with the owners. Organizing a boycott smells like a negotiation tactic. It gives weight to the idea that decertification was a sham.
Well that's completely from left field.NFL players and agents could ask all of the incoming players to boycott without having to get into any of what you are discussing. You say "it", but it is really "they" - they other players and agents.
So any one person can say whatever he wants, but without a union, and a statement from the union rep, whatever this one person says means 'Not Very Much'... He's only speaking for himself.. "The Source" who speaks like he's in the hood.. "This is going down"

"This is going down" .. Yea that sounds like a statement from the NFLPA... lol

Totally misleading thread title...

And whoever came up with this idea, to boycott the draft, isn't very smart (as if we couldn't tell based on his vocabulary).. Is there any leverage to be gained? None.. The NFLPA isn't behind this..

The real happenings are going to take place at the court house, not the draft.

On another note, I've pretty much kissed this coming season goodbye.. NFL as we know it, is at least a year away, probably further. Bring on the scabs...

 
Not only is the NFLPA "suggesting" (originally they were "instructing" -- coercion?) the top rookies not to attend the real draft, they are also planning to have high profile players picket, then have their own stupid little faux draft ceremony down the street to try to upstage the real draft, expecting the rookies to attend.

Is the NFLPA really so stupid, so out of touch, that they don't see how this all looks, especially when it will be this group of 1st rounders who will take huge rookie salary reductions vis-a-vis previous years? They don't understand how popular the draft is with the public? If they had any brains at all they'd just keep a very low profile during draft weekend instead of trying to disrupt something the public loves..

And the idea of guys like Tom Brady or Drew Brees picketing in front of the draft is mind bogglingly stupid. Their security is at risk, fans and autograph hounds will be bugging them, media and cops will be everywhere. They think this will increase support from the public, a bunch of multi-millionaires picketing? God what a fiasco.

 
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If this doesn't show what a sham the 'decertification' is, I honestly don't know what does. If you're 'decertified' you no longer exist as a group that represents players. There is no middle ground.

 
If this doesn't show what a sham the 'decertification' is, I honestly don't know what does. If you're 'decertified' you no longer exist as a group that represents players. There is no middle ground.
Exactly SHAM!Rouse! Shennanigans!!!Lets jsut play ballAnd let these kids have their brief moment in the sun without the union agenda getting involved.
 
Von Miller is a plaintiff in the suit, and it's not crazy to think this could hurt his draft stock. The draft is just one of the many things the players' suit challenges, also including the franchise tag, the owners' forthcoming lockout, and probably restricted free agent tenders. All along, we've been under the assumption that the draft was the only thing set in stone for the 2011 offseason. Now, it's questionable whether it's going to happen.

Source: Liz Mullen on Twitter Mar 11, 8:40 PMPlayer Outlook
Not only no, but #### no. Miller is and has generally regarded as being the top LB and will be a top 10 pick.

 
To really make a statement they players should go up after drafted and refuse shake Goodells hand..that will show them who is boss.

 
If I was a top 10 pick in the NFL draft and invited to NYC to be on TV. There is no way that I would pass that opportunity up. For some it will be the highlight of their NFL career for crying out loud.

#1 They aren't member of any union or association or whatever the NFLPA is suppose to be.

#2 They are trying to reduce rookie salaries.

so, hey kid, take a paycut (reduced salary for rookies) that we all agree is good for you and the league, and oh by the way support us even though you aren't a member. LOL

I can't tell if demaurice smith really is an idiot or just that he looks like one

 
If I was a top 10 pick in the NFL draft and invited to NYC to be on TV. There is no way that I would pass that opportunity up. For some it will be the highlight of their NFL career for crying out loud.
No, you are bass ackward here. It is the beginning of their career. If you're Vernon Golston, it's the highlight of your career. Highlight would be a member of a SB winning team or membership in the HOF.
#1 They aren't member of any union or association or whatever the NFLPA is suppose to be.
Not yet, but they soon will be.
#2 They are trying to reduce rookie salaries.
They the owners or they the NFLPA? I'm assuming that you are in favor of the continuation of $50M bonus' for rookies then? You can't have every aspect in your favor during this process.
so, hey kid, take a paycut (reduced salary for rookies) that we all agree is good for you and the league, and oh by the way support us even though you aren't a member.
Their choice, right?
ROTFL! OMG!
I can't tell if demaurice smith really is an idiot or just that he looks like one
Name calling to wrap it up, stay classy.
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
If it's truly the NFLPA that's saying this, that is quite stupid. If the NFLPA is still taking an active role in matters related to the negotiations between the owners and players, that bodes well for the owners' argument that decertification was a sham.

Can someone provide a link?
The people who were part of the NFLPA cant talk? Pretty sure anyone can talk anyone else all they like.The players and agents will have to make up there own mind <<< The key difference.
Anyone can talk, but saying certain things has certain consequences. The NFLPA can talk, but if it says "We're not decertifying," it may present problems. If it says "We're still negotiating on behalf of the players," it may cause similar problems, for the same reason. If it says "We're asking potential draftees to boycott the draft," it may also cause similar problems for the same reason.Once the NFLPA is no longer representing the players, it's not supposed to do anything that smells like negotiating with the owners. Organizing a boycott smells like a negotiation tactic. It gives weight to the idea that decertification was a sham.
Well that's completely from left field.NFL players and agents could ask all of the incoming players to boycott without having to get into any of what you are discussing. You say "it", but it is really "they" - they other players and agents.
So any one person can say whatever he wants, but without a union, and a statement from the union rep, whatever this one person says means 'Not Very Much'... He's only speaking for himself.. "The Source" who speaks like he's in the hood.. "This is going down"

"This is going down" .. Yea that sounds like a statement from the NFLPA... lol

Totally misleading thread title...

And whoever came up with this idea, to boycott the draft, isn't very smart (as if we couldn't tell based on his vocabulary).. Is there any leverage to be gained? None.. The NFLPA isn't behind this..

The real happenings are going to take place at the court house, not the draft.

On another note, I've pretty much kissed this coming season goodbye.. NFL as we know it, is at least a year away, probably further. Bring on the scabs...
FYI "The this is going down" Statement came via Adam Schefter. And all you have to do is turn on ESPN or go to their website and it's all over the place
 
That would be great, get selected and then shake the hand of the ### clown that has played an integral part in the owners years long strategy to lock the players out.

Kids are in a tough spot, but that is absolutely not how I'd want to kick my career off.

 
Patrick Peterson: "I definitely want to go, and no one has told me not to go."

Who's running this ship....Cosmo Kramer?

 
Patrick Peterson: "I definitely want to go, and no one has told me not to go."Who's running this ship....Cosmo Kramer?
The players, in their continued quest to make the business decisions, have decided that Chimdi Chekwa is the best CB in the draft and would be invited to NYC.
 
We as fans should boycott the draft. Both going to it or watching it on TV

 
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We as fans should boycott the draft. Both going to it or watching it on TV
While it's unlikely to happen, this could be the best way to get a deal done. If the owners and players see low ratings for football related activities they may start to believe that the pie may actually shrink. Now, this would require the players to holds their own event and for both events to have very low ratings. currently, the threat of A significant number of fans leaving football is not realistic to either side (especially of no games are missed), I think.
 
Just to add to this, Peter King broke the story of the dumb sham draft down the street with current players greeting each rookie. But it all started with George Atallah, the NFLPA Asst Exec Director of External Affairs sending two tweets. The first said that 'the draft is special and the rookies and their families will be in New York. It just may be different. We'll tell you more when we can'.

Soon after that, realizing he was giving away the sham decertification and the NFLPA was still pulling the strings, he sent one that said 'to correct the record, the NFLPA is not asking anyone to boycott the NFL Draft'.

So, decide for yourself. But honestly, how can anyone think that this organization that has literally spent years getting ready for this fight is going to stop pulling the strings just because they are in their decertification strategy phase? They haven't.

 
For those that are objecting to the NFLPA's advice/suggestion/whatever on attending the draft, please back up a few feet and realize that the NFL will be postponing the 2011 NFL rookie symposium, which is MUCH more valuable than the dog and pony draft.

 
The "rookie symposium" can occur anytime, there is only one time in your life you can cross the stage in NY at the draft as a top round pick.

 
'Tackling Dummies said:
For those that are objecting to the NFLPA's advice/suggestion/whatever on attending the draft, please back up a few feet and realize that the NFL will be postponing the 2011 NFL rookie symposium, which is MUCH more valuable than the dog and pony draft.
Why wouldn't they postpone it? It's required in the CBA, which has expired.
 

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