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Interesting. The young talent could entice Babcock I guess but I'd think the most realistic spots for Babs is Detroit, Toronto, Pittsburgh in that order.
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NHL Off-Season thread:Down goes Kane! (4 Viewers)
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TO is a mess
Pitt changing coaches again?
I don't expect him to leave Detroit but Pegulabucks and McDavid could interest him if he becomes available.
That's what I think, but he hasn't signed yet.
Dickie Dunn
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Bruins have informed the dynamic duo that they won't be back next season.
Yes, Campbell and Paille won't be re-signed.
A bit odd, considering Campbell still was getting 15+ minutes of 5-on-5 ice time as a fourth-liner as recently as last Wednesday's critical game/debacle in Washington.
Julien and Chiarelli both spoke today, but that shouldn't have any bearing on whether THEY actually return next season.
Lucic saying he was bothered early in the season by the Boychuk deal. Kind of weak, even if it did have a big impact on the team (and he was really the only D that it made sense to move, although that it completely Chia's fault for painting himself into that corner.
Lucic also said he can't be reliant on other players in the future. Not having a healthy Krejci hurt, but (IMO) not having an Iginla-caliber guy on the other side hurt even more.
Will be interesting to see what more happens in the coming days/weeks. Could a team with cap space take on an aging Chara (still 3 years left on deal)? Will Lucic be dealt (limited NMC, one year left at $6.5M)? These guys seem to love Bartkowski, but he was pretty dreadful this season and he's a UFA.
Yes, Campbell and Paille won't be re-signed.
A bit odd, considering Campbell still was getting 15+ minutes of 5-on-5 ice time as a fourth-liner as recently as last Wednesday's critical game/debacle in Washington.Julien and Chiarelli both spoke today, but that shouldn't have any bearing on whether THEY actually return next season.
Lucic saying he was bothered early in the season by the Boychuk deal. Kind of weak, even if it did have a big impact on the team (and he was really the only D that it made sense to move, although that it completely Chia's fault for painting himself into that corner.
Lucic also said he can't be reliant on other players in the future. Not having a healthy Krejci hurt, but (IMO) not having an Iginla-caliber guy on the other side hurt even more.
Will be interesting to see what more happens in the coming days/weeks. Could a team with cap space take on an aging Chara (still 3 years left on deal)? Will Lucic be dealt (limited NMC, one year left at $6.5M)? These guys seem to love Bartkowski, but he was pretty dreadful this season and he's a UFA.
Franknbeans
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The Jordan Caron fiasco should be Chiarelli's undoing. Why the F he hung around so long is anyone's guess. As for Boychuk, there are certain guys who epitomize what it is to be a Boston Bruin. He is one of them. I get that they were hurting cap wise and he would have eventually have to be dealt but why oh why didn't they keep him for this year is beyond me. They could have easily cut some of the other flotsam and jetsam earlier in the off-season and still retained Boychuk. I agree that it tore the heart out of this team and they never fully recovered.
As for Chiarelli, he should be on the hot seat more so than Claude because deals like Reilly Smith continue to happen and he just is too enamored with his own players. Lucic, I have been meh on him for quite some time. He just is too inconsistent to command the type of money they signed him for. I mean, it took two youngsters to all of a sudden ignite his game? At this point in his career, he shouldn't require that. He should be a better pro. I will miss the big hits but then again, I missed them all year with this guy. I will be surprised if they re-sign him but then again, if Chiarelli is still at the helm I won't.
Chara and Krejci get a pass but they better start developing more of their own players pretty damn soon or it will be the beginning of a long down turn for this team. Well, they do have a 1% shot at McDavid so there's that.
As for Chiarelli, he should be on the hot seat more so than Claude because deals like Reilly Smith continue to happen and he just is too enamored with his own players. Lucic, I have been meh on him for quite some time. He just is too inconsistent to command the type of money they signed him for. I mean, it took two youngsters to all of a sudden ignite his game? At this point in his career, he shouldn't require that. He should be a better pro. I will miss the big hits but then again, I missed them all year with this guy. I will be surprised if they re-sign him but then again, if Chiarelli is still at the helm I won't.
Chara and Krejci get a pass but they better start developing more of their own players pretty damn soon or it will be the beginning of a long down turn for this team. Well, they do have a 1% shot at McDavid so there's that.
Reaper
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Thinking of putting a solid chunk of doe on the NYR for each game and taking my family to Disney with the Winnings...
Never a bigger lock.
kentric
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kentric
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kupcho1
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Foosball God
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Rangers in 3. They're that much faster.kupcho1 said:Sorry, Rangers in 4kentric said:
Bill Brasky
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Rangers in 3. They're that much faster.kupcho1 said:Sorry, Rangers in 4kentric said:
Billy Bats
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The_Man
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Whenever I read stuff about Forsberg, like what a cornerstone he's going to be for Nashville, I want to kick something. Terrible trade at the moment it happened, it just gets worse every day.
Fat Nick
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F-ing Erat. What a bum. I didn't automatically dislike the trade when it happened, because I read there were rumblings re. Forsberg in general...It seems like those rumblings should've been about Erat instead.
it made no sense at the time they made the trade and will continue to look worse over time. just a horrible and short-sighted decision to give up on an elite talent like that for a scrub like Erat.
Billy Bats
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Smells like chicken
With recent cup winners like la and boston missing the playoffs this season. Just shows you what a great run the wings really are on. Little lucky sure. But what a great organization to root for
tom22406
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=Smackdown=
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Sucks that Hamonic is out. With that said . . .
LET'S GO ISLANDERS !!!!!!!!!!!
LET'S GO ISLANDERS !!!!!!!!!!!
HellToupee
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NFW
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HellToupee
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Sweeney & Shero are the 2 names as favorites
35 goals combined for Eriksson and Reilly Smith this year in 81 games played.
37 goals for Seguin this year in 71 games played.
oops
http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/dizzying-flurry-of-moves-was-responsible-for-rise-and-fall-of-peter-chiarelli/
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Franknbeans
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I think it's fair to say he Petered out
Dickie Dunn
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I've taken a pounding in here from Rud and Brasky for defending Chiarelli on the Seguin trade, which is fair. But I think it's important to separate things here:
1. Did Chiarelli HAVE TO deal Seguin? I still think the answer to that is "yes" ... and if anyone doesn't know the "real" reasons for that at this point, I don't know what to tell you.
2. Did Chiarelli get enough back? Clearly now the answer to that is "no". I think Eriksson is a solid NHL player (he was second on the team in scoring, FWIW) and Smith is a decent depth player, but they're never going to add up to what a player of Seguin's caliber can do in a system like Dallas plays. I guess we'll always have to wonder what exactly their long-term plan was for Seguin before things went sour.
Certainly, Chiarelli deserves a lot of credit for building the team that won the Cup and had such a great run of success. But some of the names mentioned in that Hockey News piece Rud linked are interesting. Technically, Jeff Gorton was the interim GM (after O'Connell was fired) when they drafted Kessel, Lucic and Marchand, traded for Rask and signed Chara and Savard. Chiarelli still was under contract at the time to the Senators, but you have to wonder how much input he was able to have into any/all of those moves. Krejci and Bergeron were drafted even before any of this happened.
The 2007-09 drafts, the first completely under Chiarelli's watch, were dreadful -- producing only Joe Colborne (traded for Kaberle in 2011) and Jordan Caron. The Kessel trade produced Seguin and Hamilton, so clearly good, all things considered. The jury is out beyond that with M. Subban, Pastrnak and Griffith, etc.
Aside from getting Seguin for Kessel, Chiarelli made some great deals leading up to the Cup. Seidenberg, Kelly, Peverley and Boychuk were great adds, really only costing them Blake Wheeler and Mark Stuart. Another big deal that gets overlooked was flipping Dennis Wideman (who is having great success in Calgary, but he was maligned in Boston) for Horton and Gregory Campbell.
So winning the Cup obviously was great. You have to wonder what really would have happened had they not come back against the Leafs in 2013, but even after that things still looked promising. They lost Horton and Seguin (hmmmm), then added Iginla and won the President's Trophy. But the Iginla signing (and subsequent bonus) was just one of many "all-in" salary cap blunders that ended up being Chiarelli's demise. Overpaying for guys like Kelly, Lucic and Campbell has painted the B's into a corner. Trading Boychuk sucked, but realistically it was the only move that could have been made on the blue line to try to get some relief, and it clearly affected the team all season -- on and off the ice. Again, Chiarelli's fault for putting the team in that position.
The problem is, where does the team sit going forward? Looks like they are at $63.2M against the cap with their current roster, not including RFAs like Hamilton, Spooner or Svedberg, and UFAs like Soderberg, McQuaid or Bartkowski. That's a real problem, so good luck to the new GM (my bet is on Sweeney) to dig out of that mess.
Who will be the coach? I'm guessing that Claude goes ... he has a system that is effective when all the pieces are there and everyone buys in, but that wasn't the case this season. And IMO, he spent too much time tinkering and shuffling to let anyone get comfortable. Meanwhile, giving guys like Campbell top-six minutes and crucial shifts at the end of games was infuriating to a lot of fans. The team can't become the Stars or Oilers and abandon its defensive responsibilities, but the offensive end needs to be a little bit more of a priority.
If you had told any Bruins fan on the day Chiarelli was hired what the next decade would bring, who wouldn't have signed up for that? But this is all about what the next few years will bring. Regardless of what happens, looks like this will be Neely's show going forward. Neither Chiarelli nor Julien were his guys, and he clearly wasn't a fan of Julien's coaching style (although the multi-year extension announced last fall by Chiarelli could be a big problem).
Should be interesting.
1. Did Chiarelli HAVE TO deal Seguin? I still think the answer to that is "yes" ... and if anyone doesn't know the "real" reasons for that at this point, I don't know what to tell you.
2. Did Chiarelli get enough back? Clearly now the answer to that is "no". I think Eriksson is a solid NHL player (he was second on the team in scoring, FWIW) and Smith is a decent depth player, but they're never going to add up to what a player of Seguin's caliber can do in a system like Dallas plays. I guess we'll always have to wonder what exactly their long-term plan was for Seguin before things went sour.
Certainly, Chiarelli deserves a lot of credit for building the team that won the Cup and had such a great run of success. But some of the names mentioned in that Hockey News piece Rud linked are interesting. Technically, Jeff Gorton was the interim GM (after O'Connell was fired) when they drafted Kessel, Lucic and Marchand, traded for Rask and signed Chara and Savard. Chiarelli still was under contract at the time to the Senators, but you have to wonder how much input he was able to have into any/all of those moves. Krejci and Bergeron were drafted even before any of this happened.
The 2007-09 drafts, the first completely under Chiarelli's watch, were dreadful -- producing only Joe Colborne (traded for Kaberle in 2011) and Jordan Caron. The Kessel trade produced Seguin and Hamilton, so clearly good, all things considered. The jury is out beyond that with M. Subban, Pastrnak and Griffith, etc.
Aside from getting Seguin for Kessel, Chiarelli made some great deals leading up to the Cup. Seidenberg, Kelly, Peverley and Boychuk were great adds, really only costing them Blake Wheeler and Mark Stuart. Another big deal that gets overlooked was flipping Dennis Wideman (who is having great success in Calgary, but he was maligned in Boston) for Horton and Gregory Campbell.
So winning the Cup obviously was great. You have to wonder what really would have happened had they not come back against the Leafs in 2013, but even after that things still looked promising. They lost Horton and Seguin (hmmmm), then added Iginla and won the President's Trophy. But the Iginla signing (and subsequent bonus) was just one of many "all-in" salary cap blunders that ended up being Chiarelli's demise. Overpaying for guys like Kelly, Lucic and Campbell has painted the B's into a corner. Trading Boychuk sucked, but realistically it was the only move that could have been made on the blue line to try to get some relief, and it clearly affected the team all season -- on and off the ice. Again, Chiarelli's fault for putting the team in that position.
The problem is, where does the team sit going forward? Looks like they are at $63.2M against the cap with their current roster, not including RFAs like Hamilton, Spooner or Svedberg, and UFAs like Soderberg, McQuaid or Bartkowski. That's a real problem, so good luck to the new GM (my bet is on Sweeney) to dig out of that mess.
Who will be the coach? I'm guessing that Claude goes ... he has a system that is effective when all the pieces are there and everyone buys in, but that wasn't the case this season. And IMO, he spent too much time tinkering and shuffling to let anyone get comfortable. Meanwhile, giving guys like Campbell top-six minutes and crucial shifts at the end of games was infuriating to a lot of fans. The team can't become the Stars or Oilers and abandon its defensive responsibilities, but the offensive end needs to be a little bit more of a priority.
If you had told any Bruins fan on the day Chiarelli was hired what the next decade would bring, who wouldn't have signed up for that? But this is all about what the next few years will bring. Regardless of what happens, looks like this will be Neely's show going forward. Neither Chiarelli nor Julien were his guys, and he clearly wasn't a fan of Julien's coaching style (although the multi-year extension announced last fall by Chiarelli could be a big problem).
Should be interesting.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
Neely/C. Jacobs presser going on right now:
Neely: "I don't think we were as hard a team to play against (this year) as we have been in the past." Would like to see improved transition out of the D zone, more of a focus on offense.
That first part is key to me. That toughness, that "Bruins mentality" that Neely personified when he played, just didn't seem to be there at any consistent level.
Neely: "I don't think we were as hard a team to play against (this year) as we have been in the past." Would like to see improved transition out of the D zone, more of a focus on offense.
That first part is key to me. That toughness, that "Bruins mentality" that Neely personified when he played, just didn't seem to be there at any consistent level.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
VERY interesting that Neely says Chiarelli was told not to trade for rentals at the deadline. Turned out perhaps to be the right move (Antoine Vermette, anyone?), but you have to think Chiarelli would have done something believing his job was at stake, given C. Jacobs' comments back in January.
Billy Bats
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What a joke.JaxBill said:
Franknbeans
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Svedberg, Soderberg, Bartkowski, and McQuaid (who I like) are all goners IMO. Probably Claude, too. I don't know what Plan B is but Neely should get a chance to mold this team to his liking.
Dickie Dunn
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