NL MVP winner (1 Viewer)

[dennis.moore]

Joey Votto

 

[On The Rocks]

Congratulations to Joey Votto!

 

[oso diablo]

overall, i don't guess i have a problem with this, though it is odd that Pujols won both the Silver Slugger award and the Gold Glove at the same position that Votto plays. so is Votto being rewarded for having the set of teammates that had the better season?

 

[the moops]

overall, i don't guess i have a problem with this, though it is odd that Pujols won both the Silver Slugger award and the Gold Glove at the same position that Votto plays. so is Votto being rewarded for having the set of teammates that had the better season?

Fielding Bible had Pujols as an average 1B this year. UZR had him as +1.1. Votto was a +2.2 according to UZR. Baseball reference's FRAA had them as both below league average. So, I'm not sure either one of them gets a nod for being better defensively than the other, and both probably not deserving of a gold glove.Offensively, I'm not sure too much differentiates the two of them. Pujols with more RBI, HR and a higher OBP. Votto with higher SLG and AVG. WPA favors Votto, OPS+ pretty much identical, fangraphs value placed at 29.7 mill for Votto, 29.3 for Pujols.Votto's team made the playoffs. That is good for a bump up the list on most all of sportswriters ballots.

 

[the moops]

Ryan Zimmerman got no love. Marton Prado got a little too much love.

Full voting tally

-edit- How the hell did Ryan Howard get a 2nd place vote? Ridiculous.

 

[oso diablo]

overall, i don't guess i have a problem with this, though it is odd that Pujols won both the Silver Slugger award and the Gold Glove at the same position that Votto plays. so is Votto being rewarded for having the set of teammates that had the better season?

Fielding Bible had Pujols as an average 1B this year. UZR had him as +1.1. Votto was a +2.2 according to UZR. Baseball reference's FRAA had them as both below league average. So, I'm not sure either one of them gets a nod for being better defensively than the other, and both probably not deserving of a gold glove.Offensively, I'm not sure too much differentiates the two of them. Pujols with more RBI, HR and a higher OBP. Votto with higher SLG and AVG. WPA favors Votto, OPS+ pretty much identical, fangraphs value placed at 29.7 mill for Votto, 29.3 for Pujols.Votto's team made the playoffs. That is good for a bump up the list on most all of sportswriters ballots.

so the answer is "yes".question for anyone: if you were going to play the 2010 season again, and each player would perform exactly as they did, who would you pick first (assume salaries are irrelevant)?btw, i supported Carlos Gonzalez over both of the 1B, but admit that i put almost no time or effort into the decision.

 

[boubucarow]

overall, i don't guess i have a problem with this, though it is odd that Pujols won both the Silver Slugger award and the Gold Glove at the same position that Votto plays. so is Votto being rewarded for having the set of teammates that had the better season?

Fielding Bible had Pujols as an average 1B this year. UZR had him as +1.1. Votto was a +2.2 according to UZR. Baseball reference's FRAA had them as both below league average. So, I'm not sure either one of them gets a nod for being better defensively than the other, and both probably not deserving of a gold glove.Offensively, I'm not sure too much differentiates the two of them. Pujols with more RBI, HR and a higher OBP. Votto with higher SLG and AVG. WPA favors Votto, OPS+ pretty much identical, fangraphs value placed at 29.7 mill for Votto, 29.3 for Pujols.Votto's team made the playoffs. That is good for a bump up the list on most all of sportswriters ballots.

so the answer is "yes".question for anyone: if you were going to play the 2010 season again, and each player would perform exactly as they did, who would you pick first (assume salaries are irrelevant)?btw, i supported Carlos Gonzalez over both of the 1B, but admit that i put almost no time or effort into the decision.

The answer is more like "Pujols probably didn't deserve either the Gold Glove or the Silver Slugger and Votto was awarded because his team made the playoffs". King Felix winning the Cy Young is a quality step in the right direction but there is still a lot of BS in MLB awards.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

overall, i don't guess i have a problem with this, though it is odd that Pujols won both the Silver Slugger award and the Gold Glove at the same position that Votto plays. so is Votto being rewarded for having the set of teammates that had the better season?

Fielding Bible had Pujols as an average 1B this year. UZR had him as +1.1. Votto was a +2.2 according to UZR. Baseball reference's FRAA had them as both below league average. So, I'm not sure either one of them gets a nod for being better defensively than the other, and both probably not deserving of a gold glove.Offensively, I'm not sure too much differentiates the two of them. Pujols with more RBI, HR and a higher OBP. Votto with higher SLG and AVG. WPA favors Votto, OPS+ pretty much identical, fangraphs value placed at 29.7 mill for Votto, 29.3 for Pujols.



Votto's team made the playoffs. That is good for a bump up the list on most all of sportswriters ballots.

You couldn't be more wrong about the GG. The "made the playoffs" is a BS argument too.

I'm glad Pujols didn't get it though since it might make it a little cheaper to get him signed.

 

[the moops]

You couldn't be more wrong about the GG. The "made the playoffs" is a BS argument too.

Ike Davis probably deserved the gold glove.And you are crazy if you dont think that making the playoffs had any impact on writers. You will see it tomorrow as well when Hamilton either wins, or comes close to winning.

 

[boubucarow]

You couldn't be more wrong about the GG. The "made the playoffs" is a BS argument too.

Ike Davis probably deserved the gold glove.And you are crazy if you dont think that making the playoffs had any impact on writers. You will see it tomorrow as well when Hamilton either wins, or comes close to winning.

You mean when Cabrera has no shot because Cano and Hamilton made the playoffs although it is arguable who had the best season among the three. Pujols wasn't the best hitting 1B this year and wasn't the best fielding 1B this year in the NL. He was close to being both but he didn't truly deserve either award. And if the numbers were the same but the Cardinals made the playoffs instead, we all know Albert would have 3 in a row.

 

[the moops]

You couldn't be more wrong about the GG. The "made the playoffs" is a BS argument too.

Ike Davis probably deserved the gold glove.And you are crazy if you dont think that making the playoffs had any impact on writers. You will see it tomorrow as well when Hamilton either wins, or comes close to winning.

You mean when Cabrera has no shot because Cano and Hamilton made the playoffs although it is arguable who had the best season among the three. Pujols wasn't the best hitting 1B this year and wasn't the best fielding 1B this year in the NL. He was close to being both but he didn't truly deserve either award. And if the numbers were the same but the Cardinals made the playoffs instead, we all know Albert would have 3 in a row.

Yes

 

[St. Louis Bob]

You couldn't be more wrong about the GG. The "made the playoffs" is a BS argument too.

Ike Davis probably deserved the gold glove.And you are crazy if you dont think that making the playoffs had any impact on writers. You will see it tomorrow as well when Hamilton either wins, or comes close to winning.

It's a bull #### argument. Bonds wins the MVP because his team made the playoffs. Bonds wins the MVP because they would have been in last place if he wasn't on the team. The writers change their mind every year on the importance of the post season.

 

[boubucarow]

You couldn't be more wrong about the GG. The "made the playoffs" is a BS argument too.

Ike Davis probably deserved the gold glove.And you are crazy if you dont think that making the playoffs had any impact on writers. You will see it tomorrow as well when Hamilton either wins, or comes close to winning.

It's a bull #### argument. Bonds wins the MVP because his team made the playoffs. Bonds wins the MVP because they would have been in last place if he wasn't on the team. The writers change their mind every year on the importance of the post season.

No, the playoffs are not the end all be all to the voters. But if the Tigers and Cardinals make the playoffs while the Rangers and Reds do not, Cabrera and Pujols would have been voted MVP. The offensive numbers are so close for each pair that the team performance makes a difference.Now if Bonds had one of his seasons, he would have been the MVP even if his team didn't win a game. Why? Because no one else would even approach his numbers. Hamilton and Votto did not separate completely from the field like a Bonds.

 

[Glaven]

Nice to see Canada dominating the baseball world these days.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Good for Votto. I thought Pujols would win it based on name recognition/past accomplishments...but I think the writers got it right. I also agree that Carlos Gonzales should probably have been the MVP...but Votto is worthy. Guy is a stud.

 

[Northern Voice]

Nice to see Canada dominating the baseball world these days.

It's not surprising that this is the biggest presence Canadians have ever had in MLB, given that the kids who grew up watching the 1992 and 1993 Toronto Blue Jays are now at the age to be making it to the majors.