No Love For Leftwich from Football Guys (1 Viewer)

[Katism]

Threw a lot of balls away?

(66% completion percentage against the Steelers)

Could not generate a lot in the passing game?

(Consistent drives into Steeler territory. Reggie Williams 5 yards shy of a 100 yard game. Matt Jones with 5 clutch drive-sustaining catches for 1st downs and 2 near TD targets.)

Pressure the whole game?

(Only on 3rd down situations when the Steelers blitzed but they are one of the best defenses in football for a reason).

Garrad has not taken a snap all season for a reason. It's because he is the inferior quarterback to Leftwich.

When you say "many in Jacksonville feel the team's best QB sits on the bench behind Leftwich" you're referring to the fairweather spurrier Gator FUN-N-GUN fans who were enamored with Mark Brunell's scrambling ability, and want a running QB, because I CAN tell you the local radio/tv hosts, the beat writer for the jaguars, and the play-by-play commentator think the exact oppostie.

So Garrad won 5 games last year and put up more points. He did so against below .500 teams. Leftwich on the other hand, was on his way to QB10-15 until he broke his ankle.

Garrad as a player to watch? Did you even see how terrible he did in the preseason? He had his chance. You must mean a player to watch sit on the bench the entire season unless Byron gets hurt.

Yeah I know your article stated that you don't expect Garrad to supplant Leftwich, but how can you write such a negative graph on Byron only 2 weeks into the season? He's starting to click with his receivers (that was pretty apparent on Monday) and his ceiling is only going to get higher as the season progresses. If he throws for 200 and a couple of scores against the Colts, then what are you going to say?

I just don't understand what it takes to convince the "experts" that Leftwich is approaching elite QB status. What's it going to take to convince you otherwise? With all due respect, I think you're doing a disservice to your readers by even mentioning Garrard in your dynasty article.

There is no panic here in Jacksonville.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Sorry dude, but I'm still in the 7.2% of Duval who ain't on board yet.

Polomahu (sp?) was hurt and the Steelers generated ZERO pressure, and the Jags got ZERO TDs.

If by elite QB you mean that he's almost as good as Trent Dilfer, who won a SB with the Ravens, count me in. Otherwise, fagitaboutit.

 

[dudaman]

Looking at this from a fantasy perspective, Garrard put up respectable numbers last year - rushed for 3 TD's in 5 games, had a 4:1 TD:INT ratio, and completed 60% of his passes. Also went 5-1 as a starter last year. He helped me make my championship game.

There's no arguing that Lefty is a good QB, but I can see FBG's point.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Threw a lot of balls away? (66% completion percentage against the Steelers)Could not generate a lot in the passing game? (Consistent drives into Steeler territory. Reggie Williams 5 yards shy of a 100 yard game. Matt Jones with 5 clutch drive-sustaining catches for 1st downs and 2 near TD targets.)Pressure the whole game?(Only on 3rd down situations when the Steelers blitzed but they are one of the best defenses in football for a reason).Garrad has not taken a snap all season for a reason. It's because he is the inferior quarterback to Leftwich. When you say "many in Jacksonville feel the team's best QB sits on the bench behind Leftwich" you're referring to the fairweather spurrier Gator FUN-N-GUN fans who were enamored with Mark Brunell's scrambling ability, and want a running QB, because I CAN tell you the local radio/tv hosts, the beat writer for the jaguars, and the play-by-play commentator think the exact oppostie.So Garrad won 5 games last year and put up more points. He did so against below .500 teams. Leftwich on the other hand, was on his way to QB10-15 until he broke his ankle.Garrad as a player to watch? Did you even see how terrible he did in the preseason? He had his chance. You must mean a player to watch sit on the bench the entire season unless Byron gets hurt.Yeah I know your article stated that you don't expect Garrad to supplant Leftwich, but how can you write such a negative graph on Byron only 2 weeks into the season? He's starting to click with his receivers (that was pretty apparent on Monday) and his ceiling is only going to get higher as the season progresses. If he throws for 200 and a couple of scores against the Colts, then what are you going to say?I just don't understand what it takes to convince the "experts" that Leftwich is approaching elite QB status. What's it going to take to convince you otherwise? With all due respect, I think you're doing a disservice to your readers by even mentioning Garrard in your dynasty article. There is no panic here in Jacksonville.

 

[The Jerk]

Wait a minute! Are you saying that the FBG staff may have been wrong about one player? Unacceptable!

 

[Super King]

i traded Garrard to the Leftwich owner for Michael Robinson straight up. Leftwich has the WAY better arm. that wins out in the end

 

[PahtyTom]

Leftwich was underrated by many, not just FBG. I didn't realize how underrated he was until I made my first cheatsheets with him in the top 10 for QBs and found that I was in the small minority. I thought 17 TDs to 5 INTs last year in just 11 games would have been worth a little more coming into this season. I guess the loss of Jimmy Smith was the reasoning for a lot of the mediocre rankings. Lefty hasn't proven anything fantasy wise this year yet, but I am still supremely confident in that passing game this year.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Leftwich was underrated by many, not just FBG. I didn't realize how underrated he was until I made my first cheatsheets with him in the top 10 for QBs and found that I was in the small minority. I thought 17 TDs to 5 INTs last year in just 11 games would have been worth a little more coming into this season. I guess the loss of Jimmy Smith was the reasoning for a lot of the mediocre rankings. Lefty hasn't proven anything fantasy wise this year yet, but I am still supremely confident in that passing game this year.

I had Leftwich very high and even posted on these boards about how wrong some of the FBG's were on their projections and even called them out. Leftwich was one and I also called Joe for his way overrating of the Arizona defense at the time. Someone responded I didn't know what I was talking about as they are vastly improved...I would like to pull my posts (is there an easy way to get them?) I was also right on some of my other thoughts, although so far I was way wrong on Aaron Brooks. I thought he was a lock for top 15 if he stayed healthy...well he didn't stay healthy but he wasn't exactly on his way to proving me right. The OL is horrible)Anyway, Lefty was a top 5 QB I in my league last year before he got injured garnering about 19 points a game. I had him as a lock for top 10 and still believe that.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

I see Leftwich is having a nice start off a few games next are tough but the Jags have a easy sch....but Garrard to me is one of the best backup QB's in the NFL..so if you have Leftwich better get Garrard and soon...of course this is my opinion.

 

[Gr00vus]

I also called Joe for his way overrating of the Arizona defense at the time. Someone responded I didn't know what I was talking about as they are vastly improved

I was one of those people. Doesn't look good for them (or me) right now, but I still think they'll do better this year. But right now I have to give it to you.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I just don't understand what it takes to convince the "experts" that Leftwich is approaching elite QB status. What's it going to take to convince you otherwise? With all due respect, I think you're doing a disservice to your readers by even mentioning Garrard in your dynasty article. There is no panic here in Jacksonville.

Maybe you ought to look up elite. It means the best. Even being liberal with the definition, I don't think you can include more than the top 10% as elite. The are 32 teams in the NFL. Is Leftwich a top 3 starting QB? No. He is going to have to either win some playoff games or have a great regular season to be considered in that class.Is he a top 3 FF option? Again- no.

 

[The Jerk]

I just don't understand what it takes to convince the "experts" that Leftwich is approaching elite QB status. What's it going to take to convince you otherwise? With all due respect, I think you're doing a disservice to your readers by even mentioning Garrard in your dynasty article. There is no panic here in Jacksonville.

Maybe you ought to look up elilte. It means the best. Even being liberal with the definition, I don't think you can include more than the top 10% as elite. The are 32 teams in the NFL. Is Leftwich a top 3 starting QB? No. He is going to have to either win some playoff games or have a great regular season to be considered in that class.Is he a top 3 FF option? Again- no.

Leftwich has yet to finish top 15 even in ppg for a season (under most scoring systems). An elite QB (FF terms) would be defined as at least a top 5 level, and 18 TDs in the past 13 games and average yardage does not equal elite. It's barely above average.

 

[cstu]

I just don't understand what it takes to convince the "experts" that Leftwich is approaching elite QB status. What's it going to take to convince you otherwise? With all due respect, I think you're doing a disservice to your readers by even mentioning Garrard in your dynasty article. There is no panic here in Jacksonville.

Maybe you ought to look up elilte. It means the best. Even being liberal with the definition, I don't think you can include more than the top 10% as elite. The are 32 teams in the NFL. Is Leftwich a top 3 starting QB? No. He is going to have to either win some playoff games or have a great regular season to be considered in that class.Is he a top 3 FF option? Again- no.

Like Grossman and Pennington - current #2 and #3 QB's? Now, I'm not saying Leftwich should be considered a top 3 QB, but there aren't many guys right now that I feel comfortable starting week in and week out and he is one of those.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I just don't understand what it takes to convince the "experts" that Leftwich is approaching elite QB status. What's it going to take to convince you otherwise? With all due respect, I think you're doing a disservice to your readers by even mentioning Garrard in your dynasty article. There is no panic here in Jacksonville.

Maybe you ought to look up elilte. It means the best. Even being liberal with the definition, I don't think you can include more than the top 10% as elite. The are 32 teams in the NFL. Is Leftwich a top 3 starting QB? No. He is going to have to either win some playoff games or have a great regular season to be considered in that class.Is he a top 3 FF option? Again- no.

Like Grossman and Pennington - current #2 and #3 QB's? Now, I'm not saying Leftwich should be considered a top 3 QB, but there aren't many guys right now that I feel comfortable starting week in and week out and he is one of those.

Nice sample size. Leftwich isn't even top 12. He is far closer to mediocre than elite as a FF option.

 

[Routilla]

...and maybe they'll give you your $$$ back.

Threw a lot of balls away? (66% completion percentage against the Steelers)Could not generate a lot in the passing game? (Consistent drives into Steeler territory. Reggie Williams 5 yards shy of a 100 yard game. Matt Jones with 5 clutch drive-sustaining catches for 1st downs and 2 near TD targets.)Pressure the whole game?(Only on 3rd down situations when the Steelers blitzed but they are one of the best defenses in football for a reason).Garrad has not taken a snap all season for a reason. It's because he is the inferior quarterback to Leftwich. When you say "many in Jacksonville feel the team's best QB sits on the bench behind Leftwich" you're referring to the fairweather spurrier Gator FUN-N-GUN fans who were enamored with Mark Brunell's scrambling ability, and want a running QB, because I CAN tell you the local radio/tv hosts, the beat writer for the jaguars, and the play-by-play commentator think the exact oppostie.So Garrad won 5 games last year and put up more points. He did so against below .500 teams. Leftwich on the other hand, was on his way to QB10-15 until he broke his ankle.Garrad as a player to watch? Did you even see how terrible he did in the preseason? He had his chance. You must mean a player to watch sit on the bench the entire season unless Byron gets hurt.Yeah I know your article stated that you don't expect Garrad to supplant Leftwich, but how can you write such a negative graph on Byron only 2 weeks into the season? He's starting to click with his receivers (that was pretty apparent on Monday) and his ceiling is only going to get higher as the season progresses. If he throws for 200 and a couple of scores against the Colts, then what are you going to say?I just don't understand what it takes to convince the "experts" that Leftwich is approaching elite QB status. What's it going to take to convince you otherwise? With all due respect, I think you're doing a disservice to your readers by even mentioning Garrard in your dynasty article. There is no panic here in Jacksonville.

 

[Wadsworth]

You can make a case that Leftwich is not an elite fantasy QB. It's harder to make a case that he's not a starting fantasy QB, but still doable. But there's really no case to be made against his ability as an NFL QB. He's 9-4 in his last 13 games (2005- 2 games in 06). But the Jags play a weak schedule right?

Leftwich's last 13 games:

Seattle

Indy

Jets

Denver

Cincy

Pitt

St Louis

Houston

Baltimore

Tenn

New England

Dallas

Pitt

I'd put that schedule up against anyones. The Jags have zero pro bowlers on offense, none even very close the last few years. His targets have been an old Jimmy Smith, Kyle Brady, and a bunch of kids. He's done very well inspite of not being in a good situation. He was indeed on pace to a top 10 fantasy finish last season and had by far the weakest part of the schedule in front of him. He's improved in almost every catagory every season. QB rating from 73 to 82 to 89; TD/INT from 14/16 to 15/10(14 games) to 15/5(10 games). There's a lot to like about Leftwich.

How about this, what QBs not named Carson or Ben drafted in the last 5 years would you rather have as an NFL QB? The answer is none for me, but it should be a very short list no matter who is picking.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

How about this, what QBs not named Carson or Ben drafted in the last 5 years would you rather have as an NFL QB? The answer is none for me, but it should be a very short list no matter who is picking.

Just because you set the parametrs that way doesn't make him elite. Elite means just that- one of the best.QB's I would definitely rather have than Leftwich:Brady (29 yo)P. Manning (30 yo)Palmer (26 yo)Big Ben (24 yo)McNabb (29 yo)I would say that him not being in this group means he is not elite.QB's I would probably rather have than LeftwichE. Manning (25 yo)Hasselbeck (31 in a couple weeks)Vick (26 years old- actually younger than Leftwich and wins tons of games.)Guy similiar to Leftwich, slightly worse but very closeBrees (27yo)So this to me, means Leftwich is a good starting QB. I like him. I like the Jags. But ;et's not make him more than he is right now. Elite means HOF type career. To this point, he is not having one. He might, but at this point, it is just wishful thinking.Also, you can make a strong case he is not a FF starting QB. People like to talk about how great he was last year, FF wise prior to the injury. He wasn't. He was 16th in terms of PPG. That makes him a slightly above average back up. It is still very early, but this year he still isn't top 12. IF he is your starting QB, you have to make up points elsewhere.

 

[Avery]

Without the patience or discipline to read the entire thread, I'd say that Lefwich's fortune rests more on his offensive line than most QBs. He has such a long "windup" and is not that mobile that he needs good protection to get his pass off. He has developed better pocket presence, moving around the pocket to make his own room, but if he has pressure in his face his long windup has to be a detriment

He is clearly making great strides in his adjustment from always being in the shotgun he was in college, but his long windup and propensity to take a hit, makes would make me nervous about resting my fantasy fortune on his shoulders.

 

[Wadsworth]

How about this, what QBs not named Carson or Ben drafted in the last 5 years would you rather have as an NFL QB? The answer is none for me, but it should be a very short list no matter who is picking.

Just because you set the parametrs that way doesn't make him elite. Elite means just that- one of the best.QB's I would definitely rather have than Leftwich:Brady (29 yo)P. Manning (30 yo)Palmer (26 yo)Big Ben (24 yo)McNabb (29 yo)I would say that him not being in this group means he is not elite.QB's I would probably rather have than LeftwichE. Manning (25 yo)Hasselbeck (31 in a couple weeks)Vick (26 years old- actually younger than Leftwich and wins tons of games.)Guy similiar to Leftwich, slightly worse but very closeBrees (27yo)So this to me, means Leftwich is a good starting QB. I like him. I like the Jags. But ;et's not make him more than he is right now. Elite means HOF type career. To this point, he is not having one. He might, but at this point, it is just wishful thinking.Also, you can make a strong case he is not a FF starting QB. People like to talk about how great he was last year, FF wise prior to the injury. He wasn't. He was 16th in terms of PPG. That makes him a slightly above average back up. It is still very early, but this year he still isn't top 12. IF he is your starting QB, you have to make up points elsewhere.

I never said he was elite. I think he's a guy that was drafted by a very bad football team that has played well and improved every year. That team isn't bad anymore and he has 3 young WRs that seem to be developing along with him now. That's a situation with a lot of potential. He was playing on a very high level right before the injury last season and is off to a good start this season. There aren't a handful of young QBs I'd rather have on my dynasty team or my NFL team. That doesn't mean he's elite right now but he's a good QB and the continued Garrard talk is a joke.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I also called Joe for his way overrating of the Arizona defense at the time. Someone responded I didn't know what I was talking about as they are vastly improved

I was one of those people. Doesn't look good for them (or me) right now, but I still think they'll do better this year. But right now I have to give it to you.

Thanks for owning up. Too many people want to look good or want to be proved right rather than searching for the "truth." Personally my track record is very good, but when I swing and miss I will point it out. BTW, I looked up what my prediction was and I didn't say Brooks would be in the top 15 if he stayed healthy...I said he would be top 10 if he played in 16 games...Ouch. My reasoning was outside of last year he was in the top 6 3 years running in my league and with a healthy Moss and Porter with good 3rd and 4th receivers with a back who could catch I thought it was safe. I never imagined that Art Shell could put out such a poor OL. Maybe I am sticking with my prediction too much, but when he gets healthy he will be a great waiver pickup for some people who can look ahead.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I just don't understand what it takes to convince the "experts" that Leftwich is approaching elite QB status. What's it going to take to convince you otherwise? With all due respect, I think you're doing a disservice to your readers by even mentioning Garrard in your dynasty article. There is no panic here in Jacksonville.

Maybe you ought to look up elilte. It means the best. Even being liberal with the definition, I don't think you can include more than the top 10% as elite. The are 32 teams in the NFL. Is Leftwich a top 3 starting QB? No. He is going to have to either win some playoff games or have a great regular season to be considered in that class.Is he a top 3 FF option? Again- no.

Leftwich has yet to finish top 15 even in ppg for a season (under most scoring systems). An elite QB (FF terms) would be defined as at least a top 5 level, and 18 TDs in the past 13 games and average yardage does not equal elite. It's barely above average.

Elite? No, but a top 10 QB absolutely. If you look at where he was last year before getting injured he was in the top 5 after 10 weeks!

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I also called Joe for his way overrating of the Arizona defense at the time. Someone responded I didn't know what I was talking about as they are vastly improved

I was one of those people. Doesn't look good for them (or me) right now, but I still think they'll do better this year. But right now I have to give it to you.

Thanks for owning up. Too many people want to look good or want to be proved right rather than searching for the "truth." Personally my track record is very good, but when I swing and miss I will point it out. BTW, I looked up what my prediction was and I didn't say Brooks would be in the top 15 if he stayed healthy...I said he would be top 10 if he played in 16 games...Ouch. My reasoning was outside of last year he was in the top 6 3 years running in my league and with a healthy Moss and Porter with good 3rd and 4th receivers with a back who could catch I thought it was safe. I never imagined that Art Shell could put out such a poor OL. Maybe I am sticking with my prediction too much, but when he gets healthy he will be a great waiver pickup for some people who can look ahead.

You should take your own advice. Stop hoping to be right and see the truth. Oakland is a disaster and that is unlikely to change this year.

 

[LHUCKS]

FBG has continued to disrepect my man Lefty...click on the QB Rankings Critique in my sig.

Top 10 in ppg last year.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

FBG has continued to disrepect my man Lefty...click on the QB Rankings Critique in my sig.

Top 10 in ppg last year.

I disagree.

 

[Liquid Tension]

How about this, what QBs not named Carson or Ben drafted in the last 5 years would you rather have as an NFL QB? The answer is none for me, but it should be a very short list no matter who is picking.

Just because you set the parametrs that way doesn't make him elite. Elite means just that- one of the best.QB's I would definitely rather have than Leftwich:

Brady (29 yo)

P. Manning (30 yo)

Palmer (26 yo)

Big Ben (24 yo)

McNabb (29 yo)

I would say that him not being in this group means he is not elite.

QB's I would probably rather have than Leftwich

E. Manning (25 yo)

Hasselbeck (31 in a couple weeks)

Vick (26 years old- actually younger than Leftwich and wins tons of games.)

Guy similiar to Leftwich, slightly worse but very close

Brees (27yo)

So this to me, means Leftwich is a good starting QB. I like him. I like the Jags. But ;et's not make him more than he is right now. Elite means HOF type career. To this point, he is not having one. He might, but at this point, it is just wishful thinking.

Also, you can make a strong case he is not a FF starting QB. People like to talk about how great he was last year, FF wise prior to the injury. He wasn't. He was 16th in terms of PPG. That makes him a slightly above average back up. It is still very early, but this year he still isn't top 12. IF he is your starting QB, you have to make up points elsewhere.

Wow, I really disagree with this post. First, in my league 1 pt for 20 yards and 6 points for TD's and -3 for picks, he was ranked 4th after 10 games with 19 points a game. Not sure what you are looking at? I also would not put Big Ben in the top group under any circumstance but wins. Now many people overweight wins in my book, but Ben didn't do much to get almost all of those wins. He did have a good postseason, but he managed the game and a great defense and running attack won the games. I think Lefty belongs in that next group and we will see where they all play out soon. I laugh because people were saying how overrated Eli is/was even during the Eagle game and now that it is over everyone is saying he is now clearly in that next tier? I am a Giant fan, but people overreact both ways. The guy has talent but needs to be consistent. He has a very short memory which is important, but we will see whether he can secure that 2nd tier before talking about being elite.

 

[LHUCKS]

FBG has continued to disrepect my man Lefty...click on the QB Rankings Critique in my sig.

Top 10 in ppg last year.

I disagree.

Take complete games only before he got injured. He left early in the game he was injured which misleadingly skewed his PPG.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Wow, I really disagree with this post. First, in my league 1 pt for 20 yards and 6 points for TD's and -3 for picks, he was ranked 4th after 10 games with 19 points a game. Not sure what you are looking at?

If you want to extrapolate points over a 16 game season, do it for everyone, not just the guy you are defending. The only way to go is points per game. Warner, Bulger, McNabb, Brooks, - even McNair had better points per game. I think most GM's would prefer Ben to Leftwich. It is debatable, but I think most would agree with me. He is younger and played well in some big games. All would prefer Manning and Brady. Nearly all would prefer McNabb and Palmer.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

FBG has continued to disrepect my man Lefty...click on the QB Rankings Critique in my sig.

Top 10 in ppg last year.

I disagree.

Take complete games only before he got injured. He left early in the game he was injured which misleadingly skewed his PPG.

I don't need to take out a game where he got knocked out early. He played in the game. Guys get knocked out early all the time. If you wish to do it, you ought to acknowledge in your premise.

 

[LHUCKS]

Wow, I really disagree with this post. First, in my league 1 pt for 20 yards and 6 points for TD's and -3 for picks, he was ranked 4th after 10 games with 19 points a game. Not sure what you are looking at?

If you want to extrapolate points over a 16 game season, do it for everyone, not just the guy you are defending. The only way to go is points per game. Warner, Bulger, McNabb, Brooks, - even McNair had better points per game.

a) I didn't extrapolate, just pointing out he was top 8 in ppg before succumbing to injury with very, very consistent production.b) PPG analysis is more relevant for some players and less relevant for others depending on the circumstances. There were reasons not to like some of the players you've mentioned here.

I think most GM's would prefer Ben to Leftwich. It is debatable, but I think most would agree with me. He is younger and played well in some big games. All would prefer Manning and Brady. Nearly all would prefer McNabb and Palmer.

When did I say Lefty was better than all of those guys?

 

[LHUCKS]

FBG has continued to disrepect my man Lefty...click on the QB Rankings Critique in my sig.

Top 10 in ppg last year.

I disagree.

Take complete games only before he got injured. He left early in the game he was injured which misleadingly skewed his PPG.

I don't need to take out a game where he got knocked out early. He played in the game. Guys get knocked out early all the time. If you wish to do it, you ought to acknowledge in your premise.

To each his own. Because I don't believe Lefty is any more sucsceptible to injury than most other QBs, I don't penalize him in my ppg analysis by including a game where he only played one quarter.That's why I'm better than most...I don't make hard and fast rules with my analysis. I look at the complete picture and quantify what makes sense and what's important.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Wow, I really disagree with this post. First, in my league 1 pt for 20 yards and 6 points for TD's and -3 for picks, he was ranked 4th after 10 games with 19 points a game. Not sure what you are looking at?

If you want to extrapolate points over a 16 game season, do it for everyone, not just the guy you are defending. The only way to go is points per game. Warner, Bulger, McNabb, Brooks, - even McNair had better points per game.

a) I didn't extrapolate, just pointing out he was top 8 in ppg before succumbing to injury with very, very consistent production.b) PPG analysis is more relevant for some players and less relevant for others depending on the circumstances. There were reasons not to like some of the players you've mentioned here.

I think most GM's would prefer Ben to Leftwich. It is debatable, but I think most would agree with me. He is younger and played well in some big games. All would prefer Manning and Brady. Nearly all would prefer McNabb and Palmer.

When did I say Lefty was better than all of those guys?

Reading down?This might be a hard concept for you Hucks, but the world doesn't revolve around you at all times. Go back and look at the post and you will see I was replying to liquid tension- not you.

 

[Wadsworth]

FBG has continued to disrepect my man Lefty...click on the QB Rankings Critique in my sig.

Top 10 in ppg last year.

I disagree.

He didn't even finish the first series in the Arizona game. If you are looking for a legit representation of of his PPG then I'd advise looking at his stats from the first 10 games. But if you are just looking to support your position, by all means count those 4 plays as a game.

 

[LHUCKS]

Wow, I really disagree with this post. First, in my league 1 pt for 20 yards and 6 points for TD's and -3 for picks, he was ranked 4th after 10 games with 19 points a game. Not sure what you are looking at?

If you want to extrapolate points over a 16 game season, do it for everyone, not just the guy you are defending. The only way to go is points per game. Warner, Bulger, McNabb, Brooks, - even McNair had better points per game.

a) I didn't extrapolate, just pointing out he was top 8 in ppg before succumbing to injury with very, very consistent production.b) PPG analysis is more relevant for some players and less relevant for others depending on the circumstances. There were reasons not to like some of the players you've mentioned here.

I think most GM's would prefer Ben to Leftwich. It is debatable, but I think most would agree with me. He is younger and played well in some big games. All would prefer Manning and Brady. Nearly all would prefer McNabb and Palmer.

When did I say Lefty was better than all of those guys?

Reading down?This might be a hard concept for you Hucks, but the world doesn't revolve around you at all times. Go back and look at the post and you will see I was replying to liquid tension- not you.

my bad. I was skimming a little too quickly.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

FBG has continued to disrepect my man Lefty...click on the QB Rankings Critique in my sig.

Top 10 in ppg last year.

I disagree.

He didn't even finish the first series in the Arizona game. If you are looking for a legit representation of of his PPG then I'd advise looking at his stats from the first 10 games. But if you are just looking to support your position, by all means count those 6 plays as a game.

The point is players often get knocked out early. Bulger did. Warner did twice. McNair did. Brady got pulled in week 17. I am saying that you shouldn't discount one person's shortened game, but count everyone elses. How hard is that? I like Leftwich. I think he is a good leader and a good QB. I think he is a steadily improving QB and fun to watch. I like Jacksonville, and I generally dislike FLA teams. I just don't think he is elite. Even if I omit that game- that puts him at 8th or 9th in FF point per game. That makes him a below average starter. WHile that could make him a good value in terms of ADP, that doesn't make him an top starter.Edit: Really though, there is no point in disagreeing regarding this topic with a guy who has chosen Leftwich as his avatar. I am not going to change your mind and you won't change mine. Leftwich's improved play could, but not talk about his past accomplishments.

 

[LHUCKS]

Another reason to be high on Leftwich is that Williams and Jones appear to be poised to take their games to the next level base on the first two weeks.

I've really liked what I've seen from these two.

 

[Wadsworth]

Another reason to be high on Leftwich is that Williams and Jones appear to be poised to take their games to the next level base on the first two weeks.I've really liked what I've seen from these two.

And keep an eye on the two Bruins. A healthy Marcedes Lewis and more targets for Mo Drew might also add some fantasy production. The Jags offense is not there yet, but there's way to much potential there to dismiss.

 

[Wadsworth]

FBG has continued to disrepect my man Lefty...click on the QB Rankings Critique in my sig.

Top 10 in ppg last year.

I disagree.

He didn't even finish the first series in the Arizona game. If you are looking for a legit representation of of his PPG then I'd advise looking at his stats from the first 10 games. But if you are just looking to support your position, by all means count those 6 plays as a game.

The point is players often get knocked out early. Bulger did. Warner did twice. McNair did. Brady got pulled in week 17. I am saying that you shouldn't discount one person's shortened game, but count everyone elses. How hard is that? I like Leftwich. I think he is a good leader and a good QB. I think he is a steadily improving QB and fun to watch. I like Jacksonville, and I generally dislike FLA teams. I just don't think he is elite. Even if I omit that game- that puts him at 8th or 9th in FF point per game. That makes him a below average starter. WHile that could make him a good value in terms of ADP, that doesn't make him an top starter.Edit: Really though, there is no point in disagreeing regarding this topic with a guy who has chosen Leftwich as his avatar. I am not going to change your mind and you won't change mine. Leftwich's improved play could, but not talk about his past accomplishments.

I think you and I agree on more than we disagree. Fantasy wise I think Leftwich is in the bottom 1/4 of starters in a 12 team league. NFL wise I think Leftwich is one of the better young QBs with a lot of potential but not an elite QB currently. Beyond that it's really splitting hairs as to if I think Leftwich is better than Eli and you don't. It sounds like we both rank him in the same area.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I think you and I agree on more than we disagree. Fantasy wise I think Leftwich is in the bottom 1/4 of starters in a 12 team league. NFL wise I think Leftwich is one of the better young QBs with a lot of potential but not an elite QB currently. Beyond that it's really splitting hairs as to if I think Leftwich is better than Eli and you don't. It sounds like we both rank him in the same area.

Sounds fair to me. I think that late last year you made a point- if Palmer hadn't had such an incredible season, everyone would be talking about how quickly Leftwich has developed. I agree that Jax talent level on the offensive side of the ball bears watching. They have drafted an offensive skill position player in the first every year since getting Leftwich. Their D is so good though, they don't have to get in many shoot outs, so that tempers it a bit in FF terms.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Wow, I really disagree with this post. First, in my league 1 pt for 20 yards and 6 points for TD's and -3 for picks, he was ranked 4th after 10 games with 19 points a game. Not sure what you are looking at?

If you want to extrapolate points over a 16 game season, do it for everyone, not just the guy you are defending. The only way to go is points per game. Warner, Bulger, McNabb, Brooks, - even McNair had better points per game.

a) I didn't extrapolate, just pointing out he was top 8 in ppg before succumbing to injury with very, very consistent production.b) PPG analysis is more relevant for some players and less relevant for others depending on the circumstances. There were reasons not to like some of the players you've mentioned here.

I think most GM's would prefer Ben to Leftwich. It is debatable, but I think most would agree with me. He is younger and played well in some big games. All would prefer Manning and Brady. Nearly all would prefer McNabb and Palmer.

When did I say Lefty was better than all of those guys?

Reading down?This might be a hard concept for you Hucks, but the world doesn't revolve around you at all times. Go back and look at the post and you will see I was replying to liquid tension- not you.

Yeah, but I never said Lefty was better than all those guys either. I only said that I would take Lefty over Big Ben for fantasy purposes. Lefty was top 5 when he got injured for leagues that give 6 pts for a TD and subtract (-3) for picks. How can you debate this? If you think he was lucky last year OK, that is your opinion, but nothing I have said is not factual other than an opinion that if healthy he should be a top 10 QB.

 

[biglare66]

Threw a lot of balls away? (66% completion percentage against the Steelers)

Very well thought out response. But is Leftwich a good fantasy option for your team? Probably not. Next.

 

[Wadsworth]

Wow, I really disagree with this post. First, in my league 1 pt for 20 yards and 6 points for TD's and -3 for picks, he was ranked 4th after 10 games with 19 points a game. Not sure what you are looking at?

If you want to extrapolate points over a 16 game season, do it for everyone, not just the guy you are defending. The only way to go is points per game. Warner, Bulger, McNabb, Brooks, - even McNair had better points per game.

a) I didn't extrapolate, just pointing out he was top 8 in ppg before succumbing to injury with very, very consistent production.b) PPG analysis is more relevant for some players and less relevant for others depending on the circumstances. There were reasons not to like some of the players you've mentioned here.

I think most GM's would prefer Ben to Leftwich. It is debatable, but I think most would agree with me. He is younger and played well in some big games. All would prefer Manning and Brady. Nearly all would prefer McNabb and Palmer.

When did I say Lefty was better than all of those guys?

Reading down?This might be a hard concept for you Hucks, but the world doesn't revolve around you at all times. Go back and look at the post and you will see I was replying to liquid tension- not you.

Yeah, but I never said Lefty was better than all those guys either. I only said that I would take Lefty over Big Ben for fantasy purposes. Lefty was top 5 when he got injured for leagues that give 6 pts for a TD and subtract (-3) for picks. How can you debate this? If you think he was lucky last year OK, that is your opinion, but nothing I have said is not factual other than an opinion that if healthy he should be a top 10 QB.

Leftwich was on pace for roughly 24 TDs passing, 3 TDs rushing, 8 INTs and 3300 yards passing, 100 yards rushing. Not bad in any scoring system but in the -3 for INT leagues it's particularly strong.

 

[cstu]

I think you and I agree on more than we disagree. Fantasy wise I think Leftwich is in the bottom 1/4 of starters in a 12 team league. NFL wise I think Leftwich is one of the better young QBs with a lot of potential but not an elite QB currently. Beyond that it's really splitting hairs as to if I think Leftwich is better than Eli and you don't. It sounds like we both rank him in the same area.

Sounds fair to me. I think that late last year you made a point- if Palmer hadn't had such an incredible season, everyone would be talking about how quickly Leftwich has developed. I agree that Jax talent level on the offensive side of the ball bears watching. They have drafted an offensive skill position player in the first every year since getting Leftwich. Their D is so good though, they don't have to get in many shoot outs, so that tempers it a bit in FF terms.

Obviously he's going to be Aikman-like much of the time because of the Jags defense, but he's about a solid of a QB you can start and doesn't have a lot of bad games. He's the Rodney Dangerfield of QB's.

 

[Mike Anderson]

Didn't seem so far fetched?

 

[MLBrandow]

Didn't seem so far fetched?

Leftwich isn't starting because he's hurt, and his coach isn't as pigheaded as Bill Cowher.He's a better QB than Garrard, and when he's healthy, he'll get his job back.

 

[Da Guru]

Convince Jack Del Rio.

My feeling is that DelRio feels Lefty lied to him a couple of weeks ago. They lost to the sad sack Texans..a team they should have dominated because Leftwich said he was fine and he was not..stunk it up and blew the game.

That very winnable game could come back and cost them a playoff spot. DelRio does not trust him anymore.

 

[arlingtonpark27]

I agree that most of the time he is a very solid fantasy option at QB. However, Del Rio doesn't really care about fantasy football, he just wants to win games. Garrard did extremely well last year in leading the team into the play-offs only to have Leftwich come back with a poor performance to get beat. I think the players would rather have Garrard leading their team then Leftwich. Granted, Garrard isn't as flashy of a fantasy option, but Jacksonville wants to win their games more than ours.

 

[TheFanatic]

Convince Jack Del Rio.My feeling is that DelRio feels Lefty lied to him a couple of weeks ago. They lost to the sad sack Texans..a team they should have dominated because Leftwich said he was fine and he was not..stunk it up and blew the game.That very winnable game could come back and cost them a playoff spot. DelRio does not trust him anymore.

That's a great point. That never occurred to me. Del Rio might be just as happy to leave him on the bench until he knows he's healthy and rely on a guy that doesn't make many mistakes which is all a team with a strong D needs - minimal mistakes from the QB.

 

[blenderfrog]

Wait a minute! Are you saying that the FBG staff may have been wrong about one player? Unacceptable!

Don't be a Jerk!

 

[Wadsworth]

Convince Jack Del Rio.My feeling is that DelRio feels Lefty lied to him a couple of weeks ago. They lost to the sad sack Texans..a team they should have dominated because Leftwich said he was fine and he was not..stunk it up and blew the game.That very winnable game could come back and cost them a playoff spot. DelRio does not trust him anymore.

I think Del Rio is especially mad about Leftwich allowing that terrible team to score 27 and causing Taylor and WIlford to fumble when the game was on the line.

 

[Slum Lord]

I just don't understand what it takes to convince the "experts" that Leftwich is approaching elite QB status.

How exactly is he approaching elite status? He gets injured every year, never won anything and has average at best stats. Why dont you tell me what I missed.