NO Saints @ Seattle On MNF (12/2/13) (1 Viewer)

[valhallan]

Saints fans - after watching Maxwell tonight do you still think it is stupid that we fans think the Seahawks have good backups in the secondary?

Yes.You weren't challenged.

Bottom line. Brees was historically bad tonight; and Seattle had two backup DBs, and those backups made plays.

No argument. And the Saints have no receiver that would start on any other team.

That's just the truth.

 

[cacksman]

No argument. And the Saints have no receiver that would start on any other team.

That's just the truth.

Saints fans before the game: But we have an elite offense!

*Seahawks blowout, backups in secondary make plays all over field*

Saints fans after the game: But our o-line is terrible! Receivers too!

 

[valhallan]

No argument. And the Saints have no receiver that would start on any other team.

That's just the truth.

Saints fans before the game: But we have an elite offense!

*Seahawks blowout, backups in secondary make plays all over field*

Saints fans after the game: But our o-line is terrible! Receivers too!

Find me a post saying our receivers are good - from anyone, on any website. The offense has always relied on Graham and the RBs. It wasn't enough tonight.

 

[Neofight]

Seattle finally runs into a team who can hit back.

Saints - 27

Hawks - 23

You think the Saints are physical? lol.

Maybe this is y'all year. Don't feel the stress of "THIS HAS TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR." I know that there's a window of success in the NFL, and if you don't capitalize, it may be gone for who knows how long.

The deck is stacked in y'all favor. Anything less than a championship...well, you remember how the Mariners went, huh?

I understand the frustrations of a fan base. It shoulda been y'all year ages ago. This might be the best shot y'all have at it.

If it doesn't happen this year, I'll be hear to comfort you.

I'm confused. Shouldn't that be y'all's?

 

[VA703]

SMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMOKED

 

[mad sweeney]

lol seacawks waste a pick on an undersized qb when they just signed matt flynn -- what idiots!

I watched a lot of Wilson in college, guy was an exceptional college QB. Everyone was calling height, height, height but many say he's among the most intelligent QBs in the league already and he has that something that makes great QBs great.

A lot of credit goes to Carroll and the personnel guys for drafting him, even more goes to Carroll for seeing what he had in a rookie QB that everyone passed on at least once. Best $750k player in the league!!!

Schneider is who really got Wilson-itis and brought him the the attention of Carroll.

 

[mad sweeney]

Saints fans - after watching Maxwell tonight do you still think it is stupid that we fans think the Seahawks have good backups in the secondary?

Yes.You weren't challenged.

Probably because the receivers were covered. When Brees did throw to them, I saw an awful lot of passes successfully defended. The backfield played lights out. You're mentally challenged if you don't think they did a great job against a top O last night. The reason Brees couldn't get anything going is because there wasn't anywhere to go.

 

[mad sweeney]

I live in Seahawk land but the Saints are my favorite 'other' team. Their road woes aside, this was a tough spot for the Saints. Coming off a tough win vs the 49ers they had to travel to Atlanta on a short week for a Thursday divisional game and then travel nearly 3000 miles for this game to play in the cold and wet in arguably the toughest venue to play in for a road team. And they had to be thinking about Carolina twice in the next 3 games. For a team that doesn't play as well outside of their home dome anyway this was just a really tough spot for them.

They had 3 extra days, the game to game travel/recovery grind isn't an issue whatsoever.

 

[Breesisdaman]

I think the Saints will be back in Seattle in January, great team that just got beat up tonight.

I like this post DD. Things have to be taken in prospective. It was a historically bad game for the Saints, A statement game for the Seahawks. Next week the Saints could get back on track. I recall the Saints being on quite a few lopsided wins playing in their Dome. Totally tore New England a new one a couple years ago when New England was a contender, They took Dallas apart this year. There is something to this Saints can't play as well on the road stuff even if they win most of their road games. They don't play against defenses like the one they just faced on the road that often. Maybe weather was a factor, I don't know what gets in these players minds but certainly one thing is certain. Last night the Saints got the lumber handed to them for 4 quarters even when the game was well out of hand. Maybe there is some lessons for them to take away from that going forward. Still football to play Panthers coming up who are also physical on defense but thankfully this time the Saints are at home. If they can make it home that is. They are stranded in Seattle right now.

http://blogs.theadvocate.com/blackandgold/2013/12/03/saints-plane-breaks-down-in-seattle-leaving-team-stranded-an-extra-night/

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Saints-Seahawks 12/3 Post Mortum:

The Seahawks are the dominant team in the NFL.

Jon Gruden (annoying as hell to be on the losing end of one of his broadcasts as it turns out...) said that the Seahawks last night beat what some (he said many) thought was "the best team in the NFL." Well those folks have been disabused of that notion:

• That was the worst performance by Brees as a Saint and that was because that the best defense the Saints have played under Sean Payton. Brees did not suddenly get bad.
• No picks by Brees and only one sack: I have to say, if I had known that stat in advance I would have said Saints win - wrong. The sack and strip maybe counts as a pick-6 maybe (and then I would have said likely Saints loss, but anyway...) but the key here is that we saw a total coverage game by the Seahawks. I or we kept talking about who would cover Graham, well I saw a lot of guys on Graham, including a pass knocked out of his hands by Irvin and a deep field coverage pass defended by Wright. No 'punch in the mouth' 49er bs here, just pure good technique football.
• No downfield completions by Brees. He deserves blame for the strip and score, which was, if there was one, a game changer. The other half of that equation was there was no outlet, all receivers were downfield there, that's on Payton.
• Also on Payton is the fact that there was so little Sproles in that game. Once he got employed (admittedly in garbage time) Sproles was able to get open and turn the corner. I get trying to establish the run early (epic fail on the first play of the game, 4 yard loss by Pierre), what I don't get is not using Sproles from the beginning to break up that defensive aggressiveness.
• Also on Payton: more playcalling errors. On a key third down, Payton once again trotted out Josh Hill to save the day. This is the first time I have seen a Payton offensive wrinkle turn out so badly. Payton thinks Hill is the next Jimmy Graham and keeps using him in key situations. He gets open but cannot make the pro catches or other plays, just stop it already.
• Seattle DBs: I saw Sherman on Meachem; I saw Maxwell on several players. I thought Earl Thomas, not discussed enough here, everywhere. There was none of the scattershot passing efficiency by Brees as no one was left uncovered. I'd say Colston was underutilized, but then he did not seem downfield at all, just underneath.
• Defensively, Payton was outcoached. I did not see the pressure up the middle which I expected, I saw tremendous defensive athletes who could play the line or drop back in coverage. The Seahawks LBs were pretty overlooked in this whole discussion, they were fantastic.
• The crowd noise: I recall a time out, maybe a delay of game, maybe an illegal movement call, if even that much (the Seahawks might have had more line penalties actually) - but I did not see any of the false start effect that you usually see on teams there. However, what we did see was what Hawks fans called out here, that there would be a failure to audible. That was real, clearly the Saints' calls at the line are not only a big part of what they do but it also was nearly completely negated. The mismatches they rely upon were not there. Poof gone.
• Lynch: I really thought this was the Saints key to the game. It was not. The Saints largely held him in check. By the end my main consolation was that he didn't break off a long one, which I'm sure the crowd an the booth wanted. The defense was clearly obsessed with stopping him, and they did, and Bevell to his credit from the start had Wilson taking advantage of that. Great playcalling all night by the Seahawks OC.
• Wilson: shockingly accurate, terrifically smart, brilliant passing. TDs to Baldwin and role players Miller and Coleman. The deep pass to Baldwin early I think would have been a pick by most QBs, an overthrow or deflection if they were lucky. After the strip and score that was the play where I said the Hawks really have this under control.
• Baldwin: guess what, Harvin did play, his name is actually Doug Baldwin.
• The Seahawks dialed up Miller out of nowhere. Coaching, again.
• Coaching: I think someone really needs to start talking up either Carroll or Bevell or Quinn. There wasn't much discussion of it pregame here but they had a heck of a gameplan, remarkable. And I think Bradley made a mistake by leaving a year early because he could have had an even better HC job after this year than the Jags.

That loss was completely unimaginable, hats off. Hopefully the Saints retain their confidence for the rest of the year.

I like the Seahawks and their fanbase generally, though they get a tough time of it here - like the Saints, they're a franchise team, history of being the underdog in old divisions, great city. I will be pulling for Seattle vs the 9ers (we do share that 9er disgust in common, believe me). Come playoffs, hopefully these are the last two standing in the NFC and the Saints get a second bite at the Big Apple, but obviously (a) they have some weaknesses that have been seriously exposed and (b) doing that would mean going through Seattle again and frankly that does not look like any option at all.

The thread was a good one, we talked a lot of football and a lot of it was on point when all was said and done. Congrats to Seattle.

 

[proninja]

Saints-Seahawks 12/3 Post Mortum:

The Seahawks are the dominant team in the NFL.

Jon Gruden (annoying as hell to be on the losing end of one of his broadcasts as it turns out...) said that the Seahawks last night beat what some (he said many) thought was "the best team in the NFL." Well those folks have been disabused of that notion:

• That was the worst performance by Brees as a Saint and that was because that the best defense the Saints have played under Sean Payton. Brees did not suddenly get bad.
• No picks by Brees and only one sack: I have to say, if I had known that stat in advance I would have said Saints win - wrong. The sack and strip maybe counts as a pick-6 maybe (and then I would have said likely Saints loss, but anyway...) but the key here is that we saw a total coverage game by the Seahawks. I or we kept talking about who would cover Graham, well I saw a lot of guys on Graham, including a pass knocked out of his hands by Irvin and a deep field coverage pass defended by Wright. No 'punch in the mouth' 49er bs here, just pure good technique football.
• No downfield completions by Brees. He deserves blame for the strip and score, which was, if there was one, a game changer. The other half of that equation was there was no outlet, all receivers were downfield there, that's on Payton.
• Also on Payton is the fact that there was so little Sproles in that game. Once he got employed (admittedly in garbage time) Sproles was able to get open and turn the corner. I get trying to establish the run early (epic fail on the first play of the game, 4 yard loss by Pierre), what I don't get is not using Sproles from the beginning to break up that defensive aggressiveness.
• Also on Payton: more playcalling errors. On a key third down, Payton once again trotted out Josh Hill to save the day. This is the first time I have seen a Payton offensive wrinkle turn out so badly. Payton thinks Hill is the next Jimmy Graham and keeps using him in key situations. He gets open but cannot make the pro catches or other plays, just stop it already.
• Seattle DBs: I saw Sherman on Meachem; I saw Maxwell on several players. I thought Earl Thomas, not discussed enough here, everywhere. There was none of the scattershot passing efficiency by Brees as no one was left uncovered. I'd say Colston was underutilized, but then he did not seem downfield at all, just underneath.
• Defensively, Payton was outcoached. I did not see the pressure up the middle which I expected, I saw tremendous defensive athletes who could play the line or drop back in coverage. The Seahawks LBs were pretty overlooked in this whole discussion, they were fantastic.
• The crowd noise: I recall a time out, maybe a delay of game, maybe an illegal movement call, if even that much (the Seahawks might have had more line penalties actually) - but I did not see any of the false start effect that you usually see on teams there. However, what we did see was what Hawks fans called out here, that there would be a failure to audible. That was real, clearly the Saints' calls at the line are not only a big part of what they do but it also was nearly completely negated. The mismatches they rely upon were not there. Poof gone.
• Lynch: I really thought this was the Saints key to the game. It was not. The Saints largely held him in check. By the end my main consolation was that he didn't break off a long one, which I'm sure the crowd an the booth wanted. The defense was clearly obsessed with stopping him, and they did, and Bevell to his credit from the start had Wilson taking advantage of that. Great playcalling all night by the Seahawks OC.
• Wilson: shockingly accurate, terrifically smart, brilliant passing. TDs to Baldwin and role players Miller and Coleman. The deep pass to Baldwin early I think would have been a pick by most QBs, an overthrow or deflection if they were lucky. After the strip and score that was the play where I said the Hawks really have this under control.
• Baldwin: guess what, Harvin did play, his name is actually Doug Baldwin.
• The Seahawks dialed up Miller out of nowhere. Coaching, again.
• Coaching: I think someone really needs to start talking up either Carroll or Bevell or Quinn. There wasn't much discussion of it pregame here but they had a heck of a gameplan, remarkable. And I think Bradley made a mistake by leaving a year early because he could have had an even better HC job after this year than the Jags.

That loss was completely unimaginable, hats off. Hopefully the Saints retain their confidence for the rest of the year.

I like the Seahawks and their fanbase generally, though they get a tough time of it here - like the Saints, they're a franchise team, history of being the underdog in old divisions, great city. I will be pulling for Seattle vs the 9ers (we do share that 9er disgust in common, believe me). Come playoffs, hopefully these are the last two standing in the NFC and the Saints get a second bite at the Big Apple, but obviously (a) they have some weaknesses that have been seriously exposed and (b) doing that would mean going through Seattle again and frankly that does not look like any option at all.

The thread was a good one, we talked a lot of football and a lot of it was on point when all was said and done. Congrats to Seattle.

Classy, pretty much spot on post.

 

[Gadabout]

At least the hangover isn't too bad.

 

[Hooper31]

The thread was a good one, we talked a lot of football and a lot of it was on point when all was said and done. Congrats to Seattle.

Well said. Agree with all your points expect the Bradley comment. I believe in Gus Bradley. I think he's going to turn JAX around eventually. People aren't noticing yet, but its already starting to happen.

 

[Gadabout]

• Also on Payton: more playcalling errors. On a key third down, Payton once again trotted out Josh Hill to save the day. This is the first time I have seen a Payton offensive wrinkle turn out so badly. Payton thinks Hill is the next Jimmy Graham and keeps using him in key situations. He gets open but cannot make the pro catches or other plays, just stop it already.

Somebody needs to yank Hill off the field with one of them big ole canes. That guy has crapped on our necks several times this year. Maybe he's awesome in practice. I don't get it. I gave up once that drive stalled.

 

[Statorama]

• Also on Payton: more playcalling errors. On a key third down, Payton once again trotted out Josh Hill to save the day. This is the first time I have seen a Payton offensive wrinkle turn out so badly. Payton thinks Hill is the next Jimmy Graham and keeps using him in key situations. He gets open but cannot make the pro catches or other plays, just stop it already.

Somebody needs to yank Hill off the field with one of them big ole canes. That guy has crapped on our necks several times this year. Maybe he's awesome in practice. I don't get it. I gave up once that drive stalled.

He's bumping up Graham's value weekly

 

[Statorama]

Saints-Seahawks 12/3 Post Mortum:

The Seahawks are the dominant team in the NFL.

Jon Gruden (annoying as hell to be on the losing end of one of his broadcasts as it turns out...) said that the Seahawks last night beat what some (he said many) thought was "the best team in the NFL." Well those folks have been disabused of that notion:

• That was the worst performance by Brees as a Saint and that was because that the best defense the Saints have played under Sean Payton. Brees did not suddenly get bad.
• No picks by Brees and only one sack: I have to say, if I had known that stat in advance I would have said Saints win - wrong. The sack and strip maybe counts as a pick-6 maybe (and then I would have said likely Saints loss, but anyway...) but the key here is that we saw a total coverage game by the Seahawks. I or we kept talking about who would cover Graham, well I saw a lot of guys on Graham, including a pass knocked out of his hands by Irvin and a deep field coverage pass defended by Wright. No 'punch in the mouth' 49er bs here, just pure good technique football.
• No downfield completions by Brees. He deserves blame for the strip and score, which was, if there was one, a game changer. The other half of that equation was there was no outlet, all receivers were downfield there, that's on Payton.
• Also on Payton is the fact that there was so little Sproles in that game. Once he got employed (admittedly in garbage time) Sproles was able to get open and turn the corner. I get trying to establish the run early (epic fail on the first play of the game, 4 yard loss by Pierre), what I don't get is not using Sproles from the beginning to break up that defensive aggressiveness.
• Also on Payton: more playcalling errors. On a key third down, Payton once again trotted out Josh Hill to save the day. This is the first time I have seen a Payton offensive wrinkle turn out so badly. Payton thinks Hill is the next Jimmy Graham and keeps using him in key situations. He gets open but cannot make the pro catches or other plays, just stop it already.
• Seattle DBs: I saw Sherman on Meachem; I saw Maxwell on several players. I thought Earl Thomas, not discussed enough here, everywhere. There was none of the scattershot passing efficiency by Brees as no one was left uncovered. I'd say Colston was underutilized, but then he did not seem downfield at all, just underneath.
• Defensively, Payton was outcoached. I did not see the pressure up the middle which I expected, I saw tremendous defensive athletes who could play the line or drop back in coverage. The Seahawks LBs were pretty overlooked in this whole discussion, they were fantastic.
• The crowd noise: I recall a time out, maybe a delay of game, maybe an illegal movement call, if even that much (the Seahawks might have had more line penalties actually) - but I did not see any of the false start effect that you usually see on teams there. However, what we did see was what Hawks fans called out here, that there would be a failure to audible. That was real, clearly the Saints' calls at the line are not only a big part of what they do but it also was nearly completely negated. The mismatches they rely upon were not there. Poof gone.
• Lynch: I really thought this was the Saints key to the game. It was not. The Saints largely held him in check. By the end my main consolation was that he didn't break off a long one, which I'm sure the crowd an the booth wanted. The defense was clearly obsessed with stopping him, and they did, and Bevell to his credit from the start had Wilson taking advantage of that. Great playcalling all night by the Seahawks OC.
• Wilson: shockingly accurate, terrifically smart, brilliant passing. TDs to Baldwin and role players Miller and Coleman. The deep pass to Baldwin early I think would have been a pick by most QBs, an overthrow or deflection if they were lucky. After the strip and score that was the play where I said the Hawks really have this under control.
• Baldwin: guess what, Harvin did play, his name is actually Doug Baldwin.
• The Seahawks dialed up Miller out of nowhere. Coaching, again.
• Coaching: I think someone really needs to start talking up either Carroll or Bevell or Quinn. There wasn't much discussion of it pregame here but they had a heck of a gameplan, remarkable. And I think Bradley made a mistake by leaving a year early because he could have had an even better HC job after this year than the Jags.

That loss was completely unimaginable, hats off. Hopefully the Saints retain their confidence for the rest of the year. I like the Seahawks and their fanbase generally, though they get a tough time of it here - like the Saints, they're a franchise team, history of being the underdog in old divisions, great city. I will be pulling for Seattle vs the 9ers (we do share that 9er disgust in common, believe me). Come playoffs, hopefully these are the last two standing in the NFC and the Saints get a second bite at the Big Apple, but obviously (a) they have some weaknesses that have been seriously exposed and (b) doing that would mean going through Seattle again and frankly that does not look like any option at all.

The thread was a good one, we talked a lot of football and a lot of it was on point when all was said and done. Congrats to Seattle.

I had a lot of fun joking around in this thread, but getting serious, this is an excellent and spot on posting.I second the comments about Wilson, he was phenomenal. I don't get to see him much, but I was impressed with all aspects of his game. Also seems like a pretty good dude too.

 

[Breesisdaman]

I agree on Wilsons play, he seemed flawless to me, the only bad play being the illegal forward pass to Lynch. He was the difference maker in the game because the Saints were focusing too much on Lynch. He may be short but he has crazy athletic skills and deadly accuracy and smarts. A potent combination for a QB. I Imagine he will eventually mature to the ranks of the upper elite QB's if he isn't already on the cusp of it now. He hasn't had to carry his team like Brees has because of his surrounding running game and defense but he has the skills to if needed.

 

[dickey moe]

I don't see how any big football fan can't absolutely love Russell Wilson.

 

[Doug B]

I will be pulling for Seattle vs the 9ers (we do share that 9er disgust in common, believe me).

No way ... the Seahawks are now in the Yankees/Duke/Cowboys/Alabama sports-hate penalty box for me Over Russell Wilson's career, Seahawk losses will be about 95% as sweet as Saints wins.

Every league needs a villain

 

[Doug B]

I don't see how any big football fan can't absolutely love Russell Wilson.

Personally, he seems fine. But, like Joe Montana in the 80s, he can still play the villain for a lot of fan bases.

 

[Dinkle Heimer]

Saints-Seahawks 12/3 Post Mortum:

The Seahawks are the dominant team in the NFL.

Jon Gruden (annoying as hell to be on the losing end of one of his broadcasts as it turns out...) said that the Seahawks last night beat what some (he said many) thought was "the best team in the NFL." Well those folks have been disabused of that notion:

• That was the worst performance by Brees as a Saint and that was because that the best defense the Saints have played under Sean Payton. Brees did not suddenly get bad.
• No picks by Brees and only one sack: I have to say, if I had known that stat in advance I would have said Saints win - wrong. The sack and strip maybe counts as a pick-6 maybe (and then I would have said likely Saints loss, but anyway...) but the key here is that we saw a total coverage game by the Seahawks. I or we kept talking about who would cover Graham, well I saw a lot of guys on Graham, including a pass knocked out of his hands by Irvin and a deep field coverage pass defended by Wright. No 'punch in the mouth' 49er bs here, just pure good technique football.
• No downfield completions by Brees. He deserves blame for the strip and score, which was, if there was one, a game changer. The other half of that equation was there was no outlet, all receivers were downfield there, that's on Payton.
• Also on Payton is the fact that there was so little Sproles in that game. Once he got employed (admittedly in garbage time) Sproles was able to get open and turn the corner. I get trying to establish the run early (epic fail on the first play of the game, 4 yard loss by Pierre), what I don't get is not using Sproles from the beginning to break up that defensive aggressiveness.
• Also on Payton: more playcalling errors. On a key third down, Payton once again trotted out Josh Hill to save the day. This is the first time I have seen a Payton offensive wrinkle turn out so badly. Payton thinks Hill is the next Jimmy Graham and keeps using him in key situations. He gets open but cannot make the pro catches or other plays, just stop it already.
• Seattle DBs: I saw Sherman on Meachem; I saw Maxwell on several players. I thought Earl Thomas, not discussed enough here, everywhere. There was none of the scattershot passing efficiency by Brees as no one was left uncovered. I'd say Colston was underutilized, but then he did not seem downfield at all, just underneath.
• Defensively, Payton was outcoached. I did not see the pressure up the middle which I expected, I saw tremendous defensive athletes who could play the line or drop back in coverage. The Seahawks LBs were pretty overlooked in this whole discussion, they were fantastic.
• The crowd noise: I recall a time out, maybe a delay of game, maybe an illegal movement call, if even that much (the Seahawks might have had more line penalties actually) - but I did not see any of the false start effect that you usually see on teams there. However, what we did see was what Hawks fans called out here, that there would be a failure to audible. That was real, clearly the Saints' calls at the line are not only a big part of what they do but it also was nearly completely negated. The mismatches they rely upon were not there. Poof gone.
• Lynch: I really thought this was the Saints key to the game. It was not. The Saints largely held him in check. By the end my main consolation was that he didn't break off a long one, which I'm sure the crowd an the booth wanted. The defense was clearly obsessed with stopping him, and they did, and Bevell to his credit from the start had Wilson taking advantage of that. Great playcalling all night by the Seahawks OC.
• Wilson: shockingly accurate, terrifically smart, brilliant passing. TDs to Baldwin and role players Miller and Coleman. The deep pass to Baldwin early I think would have been a pick by most QBs, an overthrow or deflection if they were lucky. After the strip and score that was the play where I said the Hawks really have this under control.
• Baldwin: guess what, Harvin did play, his name is actually Doug Baldwin.
• The Seahawks dialed up Miller out of nowhere. Coaching, again.
• Coaching: I think someone really needs to start talking up either Carroll or Bevell or Quinn. There wasn't much discussion of it pregame here but they had a heck of a gameplan, remarkable. And I think Bradley made a mistake by leaving a year early because he could have had an even better HC job after this year than the Jags.

That loss was completely unimaginable, hats off. Hopefully the Saints retain their confidence for the rest of the year.

I like the Seahawks and their fanbase generally, though they get a tough time of it here - like the Saints, they're a franchise team, history of being the underdog in old divisions, great city. I will be pulling for Seattle vs the 9ers (we do share that 9er disgust in common, believe me). Come playoffs, hopefully these are the last two standing in the NFC and the Saints get a second bite at the Big Apple, but obviously (a) they have some weaknesses that have been seriously exposed and (b) doing that would mean going through Seattle again and frankly that does not look like any option at all.

The thread was a good one, we talked a lot of football and a lot of it was on point when all was said and done. Congrats to Seattle.

Classy, pretty much spot on post.

Yes...nice post.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Seattle finally runs into a team who can hit back.

Saints - 27

Hawks - 23

You think the Saints are physical? lol.

Maybe this is y'all year. Don't feel the stress of "THIS HAS TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR." I know that there's a window of success in the NFL, and if you don't capitalize, it may be gone for who knows how long.

The deck is stacked in y'all favor. Anything less than a championship...well, you remember how the Mariners went, huh?

I understand the frustrations of a fan base. It shoulda been y'all year ages ago. This might be the best shot y'all have at it.

If it doesn't happen this year, I'll be hear to comfort you.

I'm confused. Shouldn't that be y'all's?

If you want to be proper it's "y'all'ses"

 

[Ballstein]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/saints-night-somehow-gets-worse-plane-breaks-down-073033606--nfl.html

and things got worse

 

[Gadabout]

Seattle finally runs into a team who can hit back.

Saints - 27

Hawks - 23

You think the Saints are physical? lol.

Maybe this is y'all year. Don't feel the stress of "THIS HAS TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR." I know that there's a window of success in the NFL, and if you don't capitalize, it may be gone for who knows how long.

The deck is stacked in y'all favor. Anything less than a championship...well, you remember how the Mariners went, huh?

I understand the frustrations of a fan base. It shoulda been y'all year ages ago. This might be the best shot y'all have at it.

If it doesn't happen this year, I'll be hear to comfort you.

I'm confused. Shouldn't that be y'all's?

If you want to be proper it's "y'all'ses"

I bust out y'allses most of the time.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Saints-Seahawks 12/3 Post Mortum:

The Seahawks are the dominant team in the NFL.

Jon Gruden (annoying as hell to be on the losing end of one of his broadcasts as it turns out...) said that the Seahawks last night beat what some (he said many) thought was "the best team in the NFL." Well those folks have been disabused of that notion:

• That was the worst performance by Brees as a Saint and that was because that the best defense the Saints have played under Sean Payton. Brees did not suddenly get bad.
• No picks by Brees and only one sack: I have to say, if I had known that stat in advance I would have said Saints win - wrong. The sack and strip maybe counts as a pick-6 maybe (and then I would have said likely Saints loss, but anyway...) but the key here is that we saw a total coverage game by the Seahawks. I or we kept talking about who would cover Graham, well I saw a lot of guys on Graham, including a pass knocked out of his hands by Irvin and a deep field coverage pass defended by Wright. No 'punch in the mouth' 49er bs here, just pure good technique football.
• No downfield completions by Brees. He deserves blame for the strip and score, which was, if there was one, a game changer. The other half of that equation was there was no outlet, all receivers were downfield there, that's on Payton.
• Also on Payton is the fact that there was so little Sproles in that game. Once he got employed (admittedly in garbage time) Sproles was able to get open and turn the corner. I get trying to establish the run early (epic fail on the first play of the game, 4 yard loss by Pierre), what I don't get is not using Sproles from the beginning to break up that defensive aggressiveness.
• Also on Payton: more playcalling errors. On a key third down, Payton once again trotted out Josh Hill to save the day. This is the first time I have seen a Payton offensive wrinkle turn out so badly. Payton thinks Hill is the next Jimmy Graham and keeps using him in key situations. He gets open but cannot make the pro catches or other plays, just stop it already.
• Seattle DBs: I saw Sherman on Meachem; I saw Maxwell on several players. I thought Earl Thomas, not discussed enough here, everywhere. There was none of the scattershot passing efficiency by Brees as no one was left uncovered. I'd say Colston was underutilized, but then he did not seem downfield at all, just underneath.
• Defensively, Payton was outcoached. I did not see the pressure up the middle which I expected, I saw tremendous defensive athletes who could play the line or drop back in coverage. The Seahawks LBs were pretty overlooked in this whole discussion, they were fantastic.
• The crowd noise: I recall a time out, maybe a delay of game, maybe an illegal movement call, if even that much (the Seahawks might have had more line penalties actually) - but I did not see any of the false start effect that you usually see on teams there. However, what we did see was what Hawks fans called out here, that there would be a failure to audible. That was real, clearly the Saints' calls at the line are not only a big part of what they do but it also was nearly completely negated. The mismatches they rely upon were not there. Poof gone.
• Lynch: I really thought this was the Saints key to the game. It was not. The Saints largely held him in check. By the end my main consolation was that he didn't break off a long one, which I'm sure the crowd an the booth wanted. The defense was clearly obsessed with stopping him, and they did, and Bevell to his credit from the start had Wilson taking advantage of that. Great playcalling all night by the Seahawks OC.
• Wilson: shockingly accurate, terrifically smart, brilliant passing. TDs to Baldwin and role players Miller and Coleman. The deep pass to Baldwin early I think would have been a pick by most QBs, an overthrow or deflection if they were lucky. After the strip and score that was the play where I said the Hawks really have this under control.
• Baldwin: guess what, Harvin did play, his name is actually Doug Baldwin.
• The Seahawks dialed up Miller out of nowhere. Coaching, again.
• Coaching: I think someone really needs to start talking up either Carroll or Bevell or Quinn. There wasn't much discussion of it pregame here but they had a heck of a gameplan, remarkable. And I think Bradley made a mistake by leaving a year early because he could have had an even better HC job after this year than the Jags.

That loss was completely unimaginable, hats off. Hopefully the Saints retain their confidence for the rest of the year.

I like the Seahawks and their fanbase generally, though they get a tough time of it here - like the Saints, they're a franchise team, history of being the underdog in old divisions, great city. I will be pulling for Seattle vs the 9ers (we do share that 9er disgust in common, believe me). Come playoffs, hopefully these are the last two standing in the NFC and the Saints get a second bite at the Big Apple, but obviously (a) they have some weaknesses that have been seriously exposed and (b) doing that would mean going through Seattle again and frankly that does not look like any option at all.

The thread was a good one, we talked a lot of football and a lot of it was on point when all was said and done. Congrats to Seattle.

Classy, pretty much spot on post.

Saints have some pretty good fans in general.

 

[ebsteelers]

so this will make up for all the lousy monday night games so far???

im guessing it'll turn into a wet fart.. lot of hype, lot of noise,

and then shyt

seattle 28

saints 17

pretty sharky was able to be in bed by the end of the 3rd quarter.

jags/texans will be more entertaining then last night

 

[Doug B]

I think the Saints will be back in Seattle in January, great team that just got beat up tonight.

Don't agree ... I'd say that the Saints' level was re-established last night. Conclusively knocked down to middle of the NFL pack. That kind of loss, with that much on the line in December, absolutely murders a franchise. It wasn't losing the game so much as it was getting dominated. Any Saints player has to be questioning themselves as a squad right now.

Some Saints fans are comparing last night's game to the 10/21/2012 Ravens loss to the Texans. It was a 42-13 (?) pasting in Baltimore. The Ravens, as we know, went on to win the Super Bowl -- that one pasting didn't ruin their season. But the stakes were so different for those Ravens than they were for the Saints last night. It was much earlier in the season (sixth/seventh game of the Ravens' season), and nobody was thinking "this could mean AFC homefield!"

 

[Dragon1952]

I live in Seahawk land but the Saints are my favorite 'other' team. Their road woes aside, this was a tough spot for the Saints. Coming off a tough win vs the 49ers they had to travel to Atlanta on a short week for a Thursday divisional game and then travel nearly 3000 miles for this game to play in the cold and wet in arguably the toughest venue to play in for a road team. And they had to be thinking about Carolina twice in the next 3 games. For a team that doesn't play as well outside of their home dome anyway this was just a really tough spot for them.

They had 3 extra days, the game to game travel/recovery grind isn't an issue whatsoever.

Maybe...maybe not. That wasn't the main issue. But traveling 3000 miles on top of everything else is probably not a positive.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think the Saints will be back in Seattle in January, great team that just got beat up tonight.

Don't agree ... I'd say that the Saints' level was re-established last night. Conclusively knocked down to middle of the NFL pack. That kind of loss, with that much on the line in December, absolutely murders a franchise. It wasn't losing the game so much as it was getting dominated. Any Saints player has to be questioning themselves as a squad right now.

Some Saints fans are comparing last night's game to the 10/21/2012 Ravens loss to the Texans. It was a 42-13 (?) pasting in Baltimore. The Ravens, as we know, went on to win the Super Bowl -- that one pasting didn't ruin their season. But the stakes were so different for those Ravens than they were for the Saints last night. It was much earlier in the season (sixth/seventh game of the Ravens' season), and nobody was thinking "this could mean AFC homefield!"

The Giants got torched 49-24 by the Saints in late November 2011, yet went on to win the Super Bowl two months later.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I think the Saints will be back in Seattle in January, great team that just got beat up tonight.

Don't agree ... I'd say that the Saints' level was re-established last night. Conclusively knocked down to middle of the NFL pack. That kind of loss, with that much on the line in December, absolutely murders a franchise. It wasn't losing the game so much as it was getting dominated. Any Saints player has to be questioning themselves as a squad right now.

Some Saints fans are comparing last night's game to the 10/21/2012 Ravens loss to the Texans. It was a 42-13 (?) pasting in Baltimore. The Ravens, as we know, went on to win the Super Bowl -- that one pasting didn't ruin their season. But the stakes were so different for those Ravens than they were for the Saints last night. It was much earlier in the season (sixth/seventh game of the Ravens' season), and nobody was thinking "this could mean AFC homefield!"

The Giants got torched 49-24 by the Saints in late November 2011, yet went on to win the Super Bowl two months later.

DebbieDougDownerB

 

[proninja]

The only thing the Seahawks winning this game means is that they won the game.

If NO comes back to Seattle in the playoffs, they'll have a shot at winning then too. Getting down 21-0 to the Bucs doesn't mean anything once the playoffs start, just like whooping up on the Saints doesn't mean anything either.

 

[Gadabout]

I think the Saints will be back in Seattle in January, great team that just got beat up tonight.

Some Saints fans are comparing last night's game to the 10/21/2012 Ravens loss to the Texans. It was a 42-13 (?) pasting in Baltimore. The Ravens, as we know, went on to win the Super Bowl -- that one pasting didn't ruin their season. But the stakes were so different for those Ravens than they were for the Saints last night. It was much earlier in the season (sixth/seventh game of the Ravens' season), and nobody was thinking "this could mean AFC homefield!"

Some are even saying that the game plan was purposely vanilla in order for Payton not to show his hand, that he basically threw in the towel.

Each fan is gonna believe what they want.

I just think we got the snot knocked out of us. There's a lot of football still to be played. We had some opportunities last night but didn't capitalize. Maybe next time we will. Who knows. I kind of like the fact that we're facing all these tough D's late in the season, even though we haven't really fared well against them as of yet.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Nail biter. If that would have been Hartley going for the game winner I would have been able to turn suppository coal into diamonds.

Tough game coming up against Seattle, but the Saints will have game film and a pretty good idea of what Seattle wants to do on offense/defense.

Really hoping for a Saints/Panthers rematch in the championship game, but Seattle is obviously the best team in the NFC (especially at home).

Not looking forward to the game thread. For a team that has won as many Superbowls as the Jaguars, Seattle fans are awfully chirpy.

Yep. Next week will be insufferable. I say we just enjoy the 'cold, road' monkey we just got off our back.

We've got our championship and now the stupid road win. It's time to play spoiler.

First shots fired by Saints fans for the record. I was expecting an ITS but you guys called your sewing circle fans to make sure you got the first dig.

Let the "insufferable" week begin.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I think the Saints will be back in Seattle in January, great team that just got beat up tonight.

 

[Gadabout]

I think the Saints will be back in Seattle in January, great team that just got beat up tonight.

 

[Gadabout]

I had heard this song at the bar in NYC I watched the last Saints/Seahawks game. Thought it was cool. Then we got drilled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnAufB9ukQY

 

[ImTheScientist]

I think the Saints will be back in Seattle in January, great team that just got beat up tonight.

Season is ending for the saints next week.

 

[valhallan]

Nail biter. If that would have been Hartley going for the game winner I would have been able to turn suppository coal into diamonds.

Tough game coming up against Seattle, but the Saints will have game film and a pretty good idea of what Seattle wants to do on offense/defense.

Really hoping for a Saints/Panthers rematch in the championship game, but Seattle is obviously the best team in the NFC (especially at home).

Not looking forward to the game thread. For a team that has won as many Superbowls as the Jaguars, Seattle fans are awfully chirpy.

Yep. Next week will be insufferable. I say we just enjoy the 'cold, road' monkey we just got off our back.We've got our championship and now the stupid road win. It's time to play spoiler.

First shots fired by Saints fans for the record. I was expecting an ITS but you guys called your sewing circle fans to make sure you got the first dig. Let the "insufferable" week begin.

News flash: this forum and the internet in general are not the only place one can hear Seattle fans being chirpy. You should try to be a little less sensitive.

 

[Hoss Style]

Nail biter. If that would have been Hartley going for the game winner I would have been able to turn suppository coal into diamonds.

Tough game coming up against Seattle, but the Saints will have game film and a pretty good idea of what Seattle wants to do on offense/defense.

Really hoping for a Saints/Panthers rematch in the championship game, but Seattle is obviously the best team in the NFC (especially at home).

Not looking forward to the game thread. For a team that has won as many Superbowls as the Jaguars, Seattle fans are awfully chirpy.

Yep. Next week will be insufferable. I say we just enjoy the 'cold, road' monkey we just got off our back.

We've got our championship and now the stupid road win. It's time to play spoiler.

First shots fired by Saints fans for the record. I was expecting an ITS but you guys called your sewing circle fans to make sure you got the first dig.

Let the "insufferable" week begin.

From the outside looking in - this "shot" is pretty tame. It's not secret that they want to play spoiler. They want to win. Comparing it to an ITS dig, like:

Get off our ####### field and get out of my city. Punch in the mouth and gave up.

is a stretch.