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I'm not going to agree to disagree on this one JAA. I've always respected and enjoyed your postings and insights on this board and I appreciate that you too are a Philly guy like myself but you are flat out WRONG on the assumption that most would vote "YES" and I can 100% stone-cold prove it. All you really have to do is listen to sports talk radio around here and you'll quickly realize that very few, if any, are okay with TO's actions. But this statement is probably not enough so I did a little research last night and this morning to gather some info for you...First, the 610 WIP Morning show (with that bozo Angelo) did a poll of their callers one morning last week. They asked 81 callers (which I know is hardly a scientific experiment when we're in a metro area of 3.5 million, but stay with me).
Yes, but 75% or more of Eagles fans also thought the decision to draft Donovan McNabb instead of Ricky Williams was a horrible mistake. They also ridiculed the hiring of Andy Reid, lamented the decisions to let Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor walk "in their primes", thought the release of Hugh Douglas was a mistake, and they also couldn't fathom why Reid selected defensive backs in the first three picks of a draft when we had three Pro Bowlers in the backfield already.It's the Eagles managements ability to look past "conventional fan think" that makes us perennial contenders. Honestly.
Hey JAA,I appreciate your thoughtful response and am always willing to listen to your viewpoint on the Birds. After all, you were the one saying we could acquire TO while I and most Eagles fans were pointing out how unlikely and out of character such a move would have been. Kudos.
Who replaces his 12 TD's?If Philly makes it to the superbowl without him, which I will concede is possible (although I think unlikely if the conference gets any better whatsoever), who is going to catch the ball? think about what that superbowl would have looked like had TO not played.
You bring up a lot of good points. Im not sure why TO feels the way he does about his contract. I can only make some assumptions. I dont think you can put TO in the same camp at Trotter/Douglas. TO doesnt want "Moss" money. TO wants what is coming to him. What is coming to him is not top 3 WR money either. Maybe the reason I feel the way I do is because TO is worth more than what he is getting paid today. TO does need to shut his mouth about a number of topics. However, when he does speak it should not incluence his contraction situation.Another point is TOs age and Phi FO regarding 30+ year old players. Maybe TO thinks Phi does want to cut him after this season. I think that would be stupid, but it seems to me Reid and the Phi FO are upset about this situation.
I dont think TO started this "contract topic". I think it was started by the media when TO was forced to get rid of David Joseph and hired Drew (who represents a few other Eagles including Kearse). TO isnt innocent, but it isnt like he hired the Poston brothers to "get him paid".Another reason I think TO chose Drew was the commercial deals. TO and Jevon are already in atleast 1 commercial together.
This is the sort of statement every talking head in the world is dying to say to TO:"I TOLD YOU SO!!"
JAA,TO has been the poster boy for talking about other players. He ridiculed Jeff Garcia in the media and the proceeded to throw McNabb under the bus just a few weeks ago. Again, if he just kept his mouth shut and made this about HIS WORTH and not how much better he is than others, I think the fans would be sticking with him more wholeheartedly. I know I would.
Thanks for saving me the effort, Woodrow.
I know I sound like the biggest TO man-love supporter ... I most likely am. Im not saying what TO said about Garcia was bad, but you have to remember Garcia called him out big time in front of all the cameras. In addition, I support anyone wanting to tell their lives in an autobiography. While we say it was wrong for him to say it, people want to know and I dont mind that.The intent of what TO says I think what distinguishes him from the others. in the case of McNabb, TO said something he shouldnt have. I dont think TO shows any ill-will toward Donovan. Thats my opinion and I cant be sure, but I would be willing to bet I know more about TO that anyone here [would want to].
You're a fan of his; there's nothing wrong with that. But suppose Moss had criticized Culpepper, gone to Oakland, was holding out, and had started criticizing Collins already. And suppose Derrick Mason had criticized McNair, gone to Baltimore, was holding out, and had started criticizing Boller already.
What do you mean by "character"?Both players have yelled at coaches. TO yelled at Greg Knapp and Key yelled at HC Gruden. I dont know Key's side, but I did read TOs side. I know Key did something to cause him to be suspended for the remainder of a season and TO has not been suspended like that.So what Keyshawn does is bad for the game, but TO is one of the best characters the NFL has... alright, got it
First off, if the criticism was warrented (which no one has denied), I have less of a problem with it. Secondly, TOs "criticism" of McNabb is far from what you are making it out to be.Remember when CulPep yelled at Moss during the game? Did that get 1/10 of the play that TO "yelling" at McNabb did?
Hey JAA, it's posts like these that make us all realize that you cannot look at TO or the Eagles in an objective manner. Your attempts to defend him have fallen on deaf ears. You look at this situation through your Eagle collored lenses and while TO is attacking his own teammates, the organization and the fans, you continue to say "what's wrong with that?"Let's be honest here. TO would sell out his teammates for a buck. He did to Garcia and he's doing it to McNabb. The way he's handles himself in the media is wrong. That's why people don't repect him as a man.
I like to think I keep an open mind. Not that you would care, but if you look back to 2003 or so you will see me saying the same things about TO as a niner.I understand your position and how you see things. I think you will find I dont only have these "glasses" on for TO and the Eagles. I pride myself on keeping an open mind. I still think there is a possibility all of this is an act for TO, but the information I have at this point, the way he conducts his personal life, the way he works on and off the field, I just dont see it.
You may be right about the act. I'd believe it.
reply coming tomorrowIs TO in the Right, concerning his contractShould he "honor" the multi million dollor contract he happily signed a year ago? Yes! [ 44 ] [32.12%] No! [ 60 ] [43.80%] not Sure??? [ 3 ] [2.19%] This poll has been done 1000 times, So #### Raoul!!!! [ 29 ] [21.17%]
JAA,Let me first say, I usually respect what you bring to this board. They are usually well thought out and insightful. I'd like to know why you support this rat. But the real reason TO will be there is simply this........he realized that he made a mistake in challenging both McNabb (the true leader of that team) and the Eagles organization. So, out of desperation to redeem what ever respect he had prior to this failed attempt to to hold the Philly organization hostage by telling the world that he is the victim. He will fire his agent, showup for the season, only to cause more problems. I just don't get it.
IIRC it was TO and his prior agent who missed the filing deadline!!! What were the 49ers supposed to do?? Say, "Sorry TO we know you wanted to be a FA so we'll give you your release since you were a fine upstanding player for us these past years...." Come on, TO screwed up and then made such a big issue that he got a legitimate trade cancelled by the NFL and a deal manufactured to make him an Eagle. Yes, the deal was for below market value, but when you make a mistake your options become limited. And now he cries like the spoiled child threatening to hold his breath until he gets his way....
Its not too hard to figure out JAA's thinking here. He believes the Eagles can't win a super bowl with out Owens. He wants TO on the field come hell or high water and wishes the Eagles felt the same way. Contract schmontract, get the guy in camp and with a smile on his face and a winning attytood.I disagree; I think its more important for the Eagles to stick to their philospohy that has kept them in the upper echelon of the league for quite awhile now. But I can see where he's coming from.
Here we go again...but the Eagle purchased the right to those options with the big bonus. TO sold those options to the Eagles and cashed the big check. He understood, or at least should have, that he was giving the Eagles the right to not excerize those options for any reason. As a businessman, I don't appreciate him not honoring his contract. As an Eagles fan, I'm f'n pizzed off.
Hey JAA, It's really not that big a deal, as I have nothing to prove. Not fishing or trolling........I proposed a question, you responded according to the way you felt. Honestly, no big deal. My question was regarding, your reasoning as to why he would return..........I really doubt it's because of who he is playing, that's all.I'll see you later the restaurant is calling now.lol @ the trollingAre you saying you cant find any posts regarding why I back TO like I do? Wanna make a sig bet that I could find three in a matter of seconds?
Stop backtracking. Your original question wasHey JAA, It's really not that big a deal, as I have nothing to prove. Not fishing or trolling........I proposed a question, you responded according to the way you felt. Honestly, no big deal. My question was regarding, your reasoning as to why he would return..........I really doubt it's because of who he is playing, that's all.I'll see you later the restaurant is calling now.lol @ the trolling
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Im not trying to be a ####, even though I am being one. Its just my nature to prove people wrong ... well, that and misspell every other word.
The "new information" you brought to day is a poll from a Eagles message board, and some conjecture. It's not a news article, not an inside tip, not information from Owens or his agent or from the Eagles front office or players. It's the kind of information that gets discussed and challenged here in every other thread. Terrell Owens threads aren't immune from it. It's not "fishing". It's "discussion" and "differing opinions".
